SCF Game 3: Confident Flyers return home in front of raucous crowd
by Travis Hughes on Jun 2, 2010 1:29 PM EDT
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Stanley Cup Final, Game 3
Chicago Blackhawks at Philadelphia Flyers
Blackhawks lead series 2-0
Wachovia Center - 8:00 PM ET - Philadelphia, PA
TV: Versus HD, CBC HD, RDS HD
Radio: 610 WIP (internet stream here), XM 204, SIRIUS 208
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PHILADELPHIA -- Last time they were on home ice, the Flyers were hoisting the Wales Trophy as Eastern Conference Champions. Since that night over a week ago, the orange and black have yet to put a win up on the board, but now that they're back on friendly territory, they're ready to put those losing ways behind them.
The crowd, expected of course to be raucous, was a major topic of discussion this morning as the home team and the Chicago Blackhawks prepare for Game 3. Peter Laviolette said he's already "fired up" about what the crowd will be like, and many of the 'Hawks players are expecting the worst possible reception from the orange clad faithful once they get on the ice tonight at the Wach.
Of course, several of the current Blackhawks know exactly what to expect tonight. Patrick Sharp and Ben Eager played in this building during a championship series with the Phantoms back in 2005, and for the final game of that Calder Cup Finals series against, go figure, the Chicago Wolves, 20,103 people crammed into this building. It's a hockey record that stands unchallenged today, and unfortunately, it's one that probably won't be broken.
The NHL has two sections in the upper bowl, 222 and 222A, tarped off for extra media seating, making that record almost unreachable unless the doctor the numbers a bit. Still, it's expected to be loud here tonight of course, but will it match or surpass the noise level at United Center for Games 1 and 2?
Luckily, NHL.com has a decibel meter and will be sharing the readings after tonight's game. After the jump, more hockey-ish things.
So, yeah. The Flyers are down 0-2. Been there, done that. Tonight's the night where we find out if we have a series on our hands, and the Flyers seem pretty determined to let people know we do. Cool, collected and confident, the orange and black don't seem worried about the task ahead of them. Adversity does that to a team.
This quote from Peter Laviolette sums up the attitude around the Flyers:
And like I said before, we've been in a situation since Christmas where it's been time to pack it in. Everybody just go home. Call it a year. And yet we're still here. It's the beginning of June. We're pretty happy to be here. And the guys won't quit. They just won't. That's why I sit up here today confident about our ability to win a hockey game tonight.
They'll try to win that game with the same lineup that couldn't get the job done in Game 2. Dan Carcillo and Oskars Bartulis are still in the lineup, and Laviolette will use the home ice edge to get better matchups for his key guys. Mike Richards and the Flyers' top line has been stymied by the Blackhawks so far in the series, but you have to expect that they'll look to get that line away from Dave Bolland and the 'Hawks checking line.
Overall, it just comes down to the Flyers ability to continue to do the things they did in the latter stages of Game 2. In the final half of that contest, they peppered Antti Niemi with 29 shots. He answered the call on 28 of them, but if the Flyers can continue that relentless (there's that word again) attack, there should be no doubt Niemi will cave just like Tuukka Rask and Jaroslav Halak eventually did earlier in these playoffs.
The Flyers are just as good as these Blackhawks, and a strong win on home ice will go a long way toward convincing us all that's the truth. Game thread at 5 PM.
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We had to watch the United Center National Anthem prior to each game on NBC but so far on Versus we had to watch Mike Green argue with the Geico caveman during our Kate Smith Lauren Hart God Bless America. Will Versus actually air the Anthem tonight or will it be more Geico commericals full of neanderthals, british reptiles and over-rated defensmen?
I’m guessing the latter. VS. coverage of stuff like that is fairly awful, unfortunately.
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Im pretty sure..
VS will show footage, commercials and whatever else they can of the Penguins and Crosby as apparently they are the only team that exists in the NHL.
by TricksterG on Jun 2, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think we see GBA
To my knowledge they didn’t show any of that in the prior rounds, but since its the finals they’ll make a point to show it.
perhaps…I won’t be holding my breath.
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I was with Doc Emrick in the elevator a second ago. I asked him, he wasn’t sure.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 2, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as I hate him…I’m pretty jealous. When he pressed whatever floor he was going to you should have screamed “HIT THE BUTTON WITH THE SHOOOOOOTTT!!!”
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by KreiderDesigns on Jun 2, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s a long banner with a bunch of black and white photos of old Cup scenes. While we were waiting for the elevator, a Wach Center staff guy walked by and said “why the hell aren’t there any Flyers on there, Doc?!?”
He responded, “NHL must have it in for them, huh?” Pretty funny dude.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 2, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
So are you covering the game tonight from the Wach? If so, I hate you. I mean you’re an awesome dude and what not, but I hate you. You understand.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jun 2, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I am, yes. Been here since 9 AMish.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 2, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I might be the only person I know who actually likes Doc Emerick. For one, I can still remember (vaguely) when he called Flyers games in my youth (and can still here him put the extra “oomph” on Carkner). He has a genuine excitement for the game that gets lost because of what he’s asked to do on national coverage.
I don’t dislike Doc. What is funny is that when he gets excited during powerplays or towards the end of a game when one team is putting on a lot of pressure it drives my beagle absolutely nuts…possibly because he knows that he gets a treat if the Flyers score. But as Doc’s voice gets louder, my beagle just gets crazier and crazier to the point of whimpering by my feet…it’s pretty funny.
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My dog hates when I watch any sport—he is a Sheltie and so very highly strung already. He’s very in tune with his family and if we are stressed out or hanging on the edge of our seats, he channels it and goes mad.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
When Eager scored, the string of loud profanity that came from me was enough to drive both cats out of the room and my wife began the evil glare that she gives me whenever she watches a Flyers game with me. The beagle just followed me around trying to cheer me up (or get food…one or the other). He really is the best dog ever.
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My husband will no longer watch important games of any sort with me.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
My wife is almost to the point that she will only watch games with me in public where my bad behavior is somewhat controlled.
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My wife just out and out leaves until the game is over when she can. She barricades herself in the bedroom otherwise.
I’ve started to convert my gf to the Flyers. So we share that, I just turn the channel or something when I know my temper is starting to flare. I am almost out of remotes to throw…eek! So I take the high road and just calm down, watch a movie, and check out what happens in the morning…Travis don’t need me causing any more grief then necessary
Flyers and Blue Jackets...nuff said.
I woulda asked him: “Did you get a cab from the airport or did you rent a car and DRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE?”
Who is the most notorious “DRRRIIIIIIVE” guy – Doc or Beninati? I swear it is all Beninati says…
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For Blackhawks games only NBC and the local broadcasts have shown the anthem, Versus did not. Given the history of the pregame festivities in Philly they may make a change, especially since they should be able to get enough blather in during their half hour pregame show, but if the past is any precedent they may skip it.
WE ARE
just as good, if not better then those damn Hawks!!!!!!
LET’S GO FLYERS!
Flyers and Blue Jackets...nuff said.
Meh
I’m with you on just as good, but if we were better, we’d be up 2 games. Let’s be confident and positive, yes, but not delusional.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
delusional? that is a strong word. I’m all for giving Chicago their due but they aren’t better then my Flyers.
Flyers and Blue Jackets...nuff said.
Yep
I agree, not the first damn time the Flyers have been behind. Tonight will be a good showing of where the Flyers stand.
What's the bigger home ice advantage
Getting Richards line away from Bolland’s, or getting the chance to finally match up better against the Hossa line?
Yes, I’m just curious what people think is the bigger advantage having the last change. I had a conversation about this with one of the guys from my team, and I was curious what other people thought. It appears I might be left to wonder since my only response has been your question.
Getting a better matchup with Hossa would be good, but it’s high time Richie announced his presence in this series. Melrose (yeah, I know, but whatever) maintains he’s the best player still in the playoffs, and while Richards has been decent, he was yet to prove Barry right.
And we know he can.
scoring chances For and Against 5on5
Richards 12 7
Hossa 13 6
To me its neither. I think it’s who you want to match up against Kane and Buf to see if you can get the Hawks coach to switch lines…
Ok, but we’re doing fine against that line currently, so we don’t need to make any more adjustments there. We’re trying see how we can change the matchups to our benefit.
Citing scoring chances is like judging a baseball player’s impact on a game in RBIs. I would recommend never doing it again.
we’re doing fine against that line currently
That’s not the point. You attack the Toews line and force Q to switch Buf off that line. That means Brouwer is off the line that is hurting you, Kopecky is off the line that has scored as well. It forces the Hawks to jumble all of their lines. And if they do that then they really miss Ladd…
As for NOT siting scoring chances, well you are in the extreme minority on the SB Nation site. Most people are talking about the Hawks being “lucky” because they are sometimes losing the scoring chance matchups…
The Hawks are “lucky” because they’ve won two games it which they didn’t play particularly well, which has no correlation with scoring chances. Even if it does, judging the performance of a player and/or line by scoring chances has not proven all that effective. I don’t buy that, because the SBNation has gone all in on a stupid stat, it makes for a valid argument.
The Hawks aren’t going to switch their lines no matter what we do. They’ve won seven straight.
Scoring chances are a subjective stat, but that’s not what I worry about in what I brought up so I’m not going to address it any further. And my main concern is Hossa. I don’t care who he plays with frankly, he his strong on the boards, makes great passes, and is a pain to knock off the puck which all result in his line mates being more effective than they would be playing with someone else anyway. I would love not to have to settle for our 3rd D pairing matched up on Hossa for defensive zone starts as much as possible, which was my point to begin with. Your whole point leaves too much up to Coach Q, basically you are saying, “well if you do this to A & B, then C moves to D & E, then F is really in trouble b/c we are missing Z, but that only applies if Coach Q makes those changes.” That line hasn’t produced for them so far, so why change what you are doing against it, and if it continues on path of not producing and the Hawks lose, wouldn’t Coach Q consider switching up the lines anyway, so why would the Flyers approach them differently. Hossa has been great so far in the first two games and has taken advantage of our 3rd pairing, I’d want that to change, and with Home Ice, you have that chance.
Hossa
Because when Hossa has been giving those really awesome passes in front of the net to Brouwer, he has been putting them in the net. When he has done the same for Kopecky, Kop has wiffed on a number of them.
As for why attack Toews line its because the other two lines are much more two way. They are much better on the defensive side. So I would think your coach would try to match ones against ones, twos against twos, etc… Of course that’s just what I would do…
Okay, so you are saying attack offensively, not try to shut down? I guess I misunderstood you. What Snevik and I are saying, since Kane-Toews-Buf have not produced yet, the Flyers don’t need to focus on matching with them as much (why fix what’s not broke) since they have been shut down. But you are saying the Flyers should try to match scoring against scoring line, and attack them offensively? I don’t think the Flyers want to get in to a scenario where they are just trading goals/scoring chances in a gunslinger style. I think they’d rather make sure they continue to shut down that line, get a stronger D pairing on Hossa, and look for beneficial match ups for offensive zone draws to generate the scoring chances. I still disagree with what you are saying, but now I think I follow your logic.
And Hossa is the dangerous one on that line, Brouwer is dangerous b/c of Hossa not b/c he creates on his own. Maybe Kopecky doesn’t finish as well, but that doesn’t mean that Hossa isn’t still creating dangerous situations, and that’s what you want to avoid, and why I am excited for last change.
Hossa is the dangerous one on that line
Yea but the Hawks have failed to take advantage of that with other linemates.
Hossa is like a point guard passing to players that can’t shoot the ball. Half of his ability gets lessened because of that. Brouwer has made Hossa’s ability much more “evident.” At least on the score sheet.
As for a track meet with Toews, no that’s not what I’m suggesting. I’m suggesting you take puck possession away from the line that has Buf on it. Then make the two one way players play defense.
Then the line that has been effective against Toews can matchup with Hossa.
Again if you do that then it’s 3’s against 3’s offensively. In that scenario the Hawks will miss Ladd. In any event, that is what I am expecting. Interesting to see what he actually does…
I get more of what you’re saying now, but, correct me if I’m wrong, most of Hossa’s danger and usefulness has been a result of preying on our D-men (certainly the case in game 2). Changing the forward matchups might not do much to correct that.
Are you counting Buf and Kane as the two one-way players, or Toews and Kane? If Buf can’t play defense, what was he doing on this team before they bumped him up to the top line?
two one-way players
Buf and Kane are both primarily offensive players. Toews is the best two way player on the Hawks. Even better in my opinion then Hossa.
The Hawks have struggled with points on their second line all season. Whichever of Kane or Hossa that isn’t playing with Toews. Brouwer and Sharp at center is the best second line the Hawks can put out there.
With Sharp playing center and Ladd hurt, Buf is up on the top two lines on LW. Otherwise, Buf has bounced around all over the place. For a long time he was with Madden and Ladd, lowering their +/-.
Q had Buf on defense for awhile with all of the injuries. I was expecting him to be on the fourth line until Vancouver made him into a “hero”. He is still more dangerous on the PP then at 5on5, though.
You don’t take the line that has shut down Chi’s best line away from that match up, that’s silly, even though that probably has more with Pronger than our O line matchups. What I was saying for matching Hossa was our D pairing, and getting him away from the 3rd pair. Just bc players don’t finish, doesn’t mean you allow Hossa to continue to create the way he has; Hossa with more space equals more Chi opportunities, which you want to avoid whether you are his linemate or Brouwer is.
the game is at 8? weird.
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yeah I get the time lapse for Chi-town but why 8 for here in Philly?
Flyers and Blue Jackets...nuff said.
Being on Pacific time currently, I’m not complaining. At least the game isn’t at 3:30 in the afternoon here like that Coyotes-Red Wings game was…that was absurd.
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Maybe NBC/the NHL think games at different times is too challenging for casual hockey fans?
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by shinkicker on Jun 2, 2010 2:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah but...
They won’t drop the puck til 8:15 which I hate.
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I didn’t want to say anything at the time due to the risk of it sounding like sour grapes, but did the ice seem much worse in Game 1 than Game 2 to anybody else? It felt like Game 1 had a lot of weird puck bounces and skating problems for both teams.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
I’ve heard repeatedly that Chicago’s ice is not great—no offense to Chicago lurkers out there. Several Flyers actually complained about it after the game as well, not that they pointed to it as reason behind the loss, mind you.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
Yeah, definitely heard that the ice was not good. Truth is though, that as with the Phillies at CBP, both teams are playing on the same ice, so it’s not as if one team gets an advantage from it.
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that makes sense. Temp outside and the amount of people actually inside the UC probably didn’t help the ice at all.
Flyers and Blue Jackets...nuff said.
From what I’ve read it’s the humidity that really does the ice in. No idea what the humidity has been like in Chicago or Philly recently…but it’s one of the reasons that the ice in Phoenix is never really as bad as people make it out to be.
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And a reason why the ice in Tampa nearly always is horrible. It’s easiest for me to catch their games, since Sun Sports shows a fair number of them, but they’re painful to watch because the ice is horrible.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Isn’t everything in Tampa always horrible?
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
I mean sports-related. I have family down there and actually like the city itself and visit often.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
I think your original statement was correct (with the exception of your family). St. Pete has the culture; Tampa’s a wretched hive of scum and villainy, except the aliens aren’t quite as exotic.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Well, to be fair my fam lives in St. Pete and Seminole—when I visit, I usually go to Clearwater, which I looooooove.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
Chicago has had problems with the ice for awhile...
… too many other events in between games. Even without that they have had problems, though…
I amended my original statement—I meant with regard to sports.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
I gotcha, apparently Tampa has the most strip clubs per square mile or per capita of any city in the U.S.
They must be doing SOMETHING right.
What I found most remarkable was that according the Derek Morris who I happened to meet a few weeks back, the best ice he played on all year was at the Winter Classic.
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That’s not what a lot of the Flyers said. Funny.
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Yeah, that was my impression as well. I was kinda surprised by it, but he said it was absolutely perfect. Justin Bourne did an article about skate sharpening and how different ice surfaces affect these things…I wonder if DMo just had the advantage in that situation.
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It is quite wonderful. I was in Florida in May and it was 10 degrees cooler outside than it is in Phoenix now, but it was 100% less livable.
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I loved it in Phoenix when I visited…til that sun hits ya and you catch flame.
Flyers and Blue Jackets...nuff said.
The funny thing is that everything is so well air-conditioned that other than when I’m golfing, I pretty much wear jeans and long sleeve shirts all year round. My office has to be set at like 65 degrees…it’s insanely cold in here.
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According to weather.com it’s only 46% humidity it Philly today.
Monday I walked out of Midway airport and got slapped in the face with the humidity. And I’m not sure, but the UC might’ve had an event Friday that messed with the ice a bit for Saturday.
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by shinkicker on Jun 2, 2010 2:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I am trying to remember where I saw like some terrible ice…it was all slush and melted around the boards, just terrible.
Flyers and Blue Jackets...nuff said.
They were trying at least. Every commercial break, they had girls in ridiculously short skirts out there with shovels, scooping up around the boards. And despite the eye candy, I was still staring at Giroux. Something’s wrong with me.
Anyway, it’s been a while since I’ve seen a playoff game in Philly (pre-lockout), so I’m not sure if that’s a general mandate from the league, or the UC crew realizing their situation.
The ice crew does that every game, but I don’t know if it’s as often in say, December. Or maybe there are just more commercial breaks on NBC.
And hey, it could be worse, you could’ve been staring at Hartnell or Carcillo.
Watch it with the jinxing!
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by shinkicker on Jun 2, 2010 2:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My first game at the UC since December 2005, so I wouldn’t know. I just though it was interesting how they were out there every break, without fail.
Our ladies have great socks. I just feel bad for them doing manual labor on ice in a short skirt.
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by shinkicker on Jun 2, 2010 3:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I wonder if there’s hazard pay involved there.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
we have crappy ice, remember
I’m always amazed to see how much snow ends up in those shovels each time.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 2, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m replying to the person who said that we do it at the Wach. I knew that, and was inquiring if we do it as often in Philly, or whether the UC crew does it more often because the ice is so bad.
Quick little cliff notes, I know the comment stacking can be hard to follow sometimes.
i was just being a smart-ass. and trying to say that i actually think we do it more often b/c of the ice.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 2, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering the ice at the UC has to support Dustin Byfuglien’s weight on a consistent basis, it can’t be THAT bad.
no offense taken
We have notoriously AWFUL ice, and i thought the puck was bouncing like a rubber ball in both Game 1 an Game 2. I think that’s one of the big reasons the Hawks have been better on the road actually, especially up in Vancouver — better ice plays into the Hawks speed, whereas our own home ice (especially in warmer weather) tends to slow us down. I guess the Hawks are just used to putting up with it, but if it was the other way around, I’m sure they would have complained like the Flyers did.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 2, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
They seemed to make good use of the high, flipping dump out of the zone into center, hoping to catch a Flyers defensemen with a puck jumping his stick. Flyers handled it pretty well, but it terrified me every time Hossa, Kane, et al. were bearing down on coburn, whose eyes raised up to find the puck.
that's something we learned directly from Nashville
we had a really hard time getting the puck out of the zone with their crazy aggressive forecheck…until the Hawks figured out the best way to get around Nashville’s players was to literally dump the puck OVER their heads. I give Nashville ALL the credit for that one.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 2, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
For Game 1 the temp outside was around 90, but normal humidity. For Game 2 it stormed really, really bad all day and while the temps were only in the upper 70’s the humidity was just awful. It was a sticky, disgusting day.
The UC ice is bad in the winter, there just isn’t much they can do for it in the spring when the weather plays havoc. There was some hope that with the Bulls bowing out early and the ice being the only surface for a while that it would improve, but that was a pipe dream.
Doesn't bad ice favor the Flyers?
Hawks rely more on speed and playmaking, Flyers forecheck and crash the net. etc. etc. Generalizations, obviously, but still…
Maybe they should have the Final in Edmonton, which supposedly has the best ice in the league.
At least until Edmonton gets back to the final. (Insert Oilers joke here).
by flyersfaninchicago on Jun 2, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
which is why we LOVE (absolutely LOVE) Vancouver.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 2, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Good Luck today Flyer fans!
And thanks for putting up with the influx of Hawks homers the last couple days. Here’s to hoping both teams give us a great game to watch tonight.
I just want to make one prediction for tonight....
Lappy gets a goal. that is all.
Flyers and Blue Jackets...nuff said.
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