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Grading the 2010 Flyers: Michael Leighton

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Grade:  A
09/10 Salary: $600,000
10/11 Cap Hit: UFA
Depth Chart Ranking: UFA

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GP MIN
W
L
OT
GA
GAA
SA
SV
SV%
ESS%
SO
2009 - Michael Leighton 34
1799
17
9
8
85
2.83
899
814
.905
.904
1

 

(These stats above include his four games with Carolina, which drag down his numbers significantly.)

I'm guessing that grade surprises a lot of people.  Yes, I too think that Michael Leighton is the main reason the Flyers lost the Stanley Cup Finals. 

But think of where he came from.  He was put on waivers by Carolina, back when they were by far the worst team in the league.  When the Flyers claimed him off the waiver wire, it was a desperation pick up of a guy who was generally seen as a lousy prospect destined to flounder in the AHL or Europe for the remainder of his unremarkable career.

And the Flyers were in a terrible place as well.  John Stevens had been fired, and the Flyers were in 14th in the East.  Ray Emery was hurt, and Brian Boucher had only managed a 4-9-1 record.  Life sucked.

But then Michael Leighton entered our lives, and things got better.  Leighton went an incredible 9-1-1 in his first eleven decisions, and put the Flyers back into the playoff picture.

Star-divide

After his first regulation loss, Leighton was stupidly shelved once Emery returned from injury.  And then Emery was completely overworked, given eight straight starts and predictably got reinjured.

Leighton came back in, and went 8-4-1. Life was again good.

But once Leighton was lost with a high ankle sprain, things immediately went to hell again.  The Boucher/Backlund/Duchesne tandem that was assembled went only 5-7-2.  Despite being as high as fifth in the East under Leighton, without him the Flyers didn't get into the finals until Game 82.

Without Michael Leighton, this team doesn't even come close to the playoffs, much less the finals.

Boucher went an adequate 5-4 in the playoffs, and led the league in most statistical categories.  But in Leighton's first game back on the bench, Boucher was hurt and Leighton was called to duty in an elimination game, his first career playoff action and his first game in 55 days.

And Leighton was stellar.  He not only completed the shutout in that game, he anchored the Flyers as they finished the Greatest Comeback in the History of Sports.  Not done yet, Leighton notched an absurd three shutouts in five games against Montreal, a franchise record.

The only reason I didn't give Leighton an A+ is because of his performance in the finals, which was undeniably terrible.  He was a non-factor in the Flyers' wins, and the reason the team lost Games 1, 5, and 6. 

But if I had told you back in December that Michael Leighton "wouldn't be all that good once he got the Flyers in the finals," you'd have been ecstatic.  Because it's a phrase that includes "the Flyers in the finals."  And "the Flyers in the finals" would not have happened without Michael Leighton.

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How would you grade Michael Leighton's 09-10 Season?
A
230 votes
B
195 votes
C
32 votes
D
2 votes
F
10 votes

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Yeah. That last goal is still hard to stomach, but what Leighton provided was so far and above what I expected him to provide in December I almost don’t believe it happened. A.

by Ben Feldman on Jun 21, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

How about this is the thread where no one qualifies their language in praising Michael Leighton?

Simply put, he gave us ten times what could have been asked from anyone in his position. Phenomenal work, Leights.

by Snevik on Jun 21, 2010 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Meh. Just Meh. A system goaltender made to look better than he is by his defense. On a breakaway or a Two on One….horribly inept and out of position. Rebound control?

Sorry, not onboard the Leighton train.

C+.

by Dinky on Jun 21, 2010 12:27 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

C+ sounds about right

and I totally agree with your justifications for the grade. The “big” saves he made always seemed to be made because he had given up a beefy rebound and had to make a sprawling stop to recover from his mistake. I don’t think we should grade on a curve because he was pressed into a playoff starting job by injuries — he was an average goalie who played well in spots and poorly in spots, and benefited from having (mostly) defensively-responsible skaters in front of him.

You can’t judge a goalie by the worst goal he gave up, so some of the Leighton hate after game 6 was probably undeserved. But let’s not make him anything more than he is — a career journeyman backup that played about as well as we could have hoped. It was a great run with a very memorable team, but I won’t be sad to see someone else between the pipes next season.

by tonycpsu on Jun 21, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, basically you are grading him NOT on a curve but based on his past performance?

I like Leighton I think he’s got a chance to be a very good goaltender and so does Reese by the way. I don’t know if this article found its way into one of the Flyby’s or not but there are some nice quotes regarding Leighton. It could be everyone is just being a “professional” about it but I digress.

My point is you can’t say that he shouldn’t be graded on a curve and then grade him based on his “career” rather then what he actually did this year (which was perform really, really well).

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by PatterPoet95 on Jun 21, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah as much as that last goal sucked, and despite giving up some absolutely game changing weak goals during the playoffs, the guy absolutely performed above and beyond what anyone of us would have expected, and all for the low price of $600,000.

That being said, I hope I never see him in a Flyers uniform again.

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by EREX21 on Jun 21, 2010 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

The low, low price of $300,000 since he was nabbed on re-entry waivers.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 21, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually I think the price was $142,000 according to Homer in the above referenced article…

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by PatterPoet95 on Jun 21, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

CapGeek says $183,420 due to the daily calculation aspect.

So, here’s how the NHL Salary Cap works: Leighton signs a deal with a $600,000 cap hit. He gets grabbed on re-entry waivers at half the price, being $300,000 cap hit. But since he didn’t spend a fully year on the Flyers, he only counts for 61.1% of 50% of $600,000.

Man, how awesome is that??

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 21, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome

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by EREX21 on Jun 21, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he gets paid the full 600k, right, with Carolina footing the bill? Or, rather x% of the 600k, where x represents 365-(days spent in the AHL), plus whatever he got for his time in the AHL?

by Snevik on Jun 21, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

He gets paid the full $600, yes. The Hurricanes paid him over $407,000 to start 5 games.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 21, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

For that much, I think he definitely performed well above the call of duty for being a waiver pickup. He pretty much got us back in the season and without him I think we would have never made it into the post-season. He posted an incredible record before getting injured, and filled in for Boosh when he went down. Being cold and not playing for 2 months and shutting down the Bruins for the rest of the game in a crucial game is amazing.

I give him an A- because he has done a lot, but he did let in some untimely goals in the post-season, but I recognize all he has done and without him the Rangers would have probably taken our place in the playoffs.

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by Lindbergh 31 on Jun 21, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

Color me completely surprised and shocked that he got an A.

I want to see him back in goal for the Flyers next year and if he performs well be ready to kick me off for all the “I told you so” posts… And yes I will gladly accept the counter response if he performs poorly…

A

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by PatterPoet95 on Jun 21, 2010 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Regarding your surprise:

There’s a reason Ben wrote it and not me ;)

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 21, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not getting into another goaltender debate with you man. I don’t want to cry myself to sleep anymore =(

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by PatterPoet95 on Jun 21, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, I don’t either. I’m just sayin’ he got an A, I didn’t write it, and there’s a connection there.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 21, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was still surprised, I would have thought B+, even though I can’t vote for a B+ cause this is a blogtatership

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by PatterPoet95 on Jun 21, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, too many options in the poll, IMO. We require rounding here, with an explanation in the comments.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 21, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was you until I saw Brian Boucher’s playoff play described as “adequate.”

by Snevik on Jun 21, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

The going rate for an NHL backup: 900k
The going rate for Michael Leighton: 900k. If he thinks he can start somewhere else, he is horribly mistaken

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2010 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I like Leighton, I think he did a good job in the regular season and playoffs. My view is that he’s a backup goaltender on a cup contending team. The 5 hole issues and that last dagger which I can’t wash out of my mouth are why. Isn’t rule 1 or 1a of goaltending that you always play the shooter and leave the guy driving the net to your D? If he continues to improve with Reese, maybe he is the guy. Right now, we have two really good backup goaltenders.

by Control13 on Jun 21, 2010 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Leighton got an A from me. He came in half way though the season and helped turn the team around. We got him off of waiver for a steal and he played phenominal. Great regular season, great playoffs. Just think if he would have made one or two more saves in the finals . . . . . Great work by leights

by SkookFlyerfan on Jun 21, 2010 2:12 PM EDT reply actions  

A

Since I’m grading him on this year alone, I’m giving him an A.

By hook or by crook, he helped to turn the team’s season around. I still don’t know how he did it.

I agree with those who do not want him back. Let him get a big payday elsewhere and let that new team suffer through the inevitable return to reality that will be Leighton’s 2010-11 season.

But for this year, we couldn’t have asked for any more than he gave us. And for that I thank him.

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by mikefive on Jun 21, 2010 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with everything you said, except the grade. I’d give him a B.

He performed above expectations. The Flyers need to choose Boucher or Leighton, but not both.

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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 21, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of weak goals, did anyone watch the Olympic gold medal men's Ice Hockey game?

I’m sure Ryan Miller would like to have that one back.

In situations like these, yes weak goals are heart breaking and Leighton coughed one up. Crushing, brutal, and you know that there’s not one person on earth who probably feels worse about it than Leighton. But somehow people seemed to have missed the simple fact that Chicago OUTSHOT THE FLYERS 41-24!!!!!

In general, I appreciate this article. I wouldn’t give Leighton an A after everything is said and done — he had his lapses, and I think there are areas he could improve, but overall, it’s great that the blog acknowledged what many of the bandwagoners who only saw the guy in the playoffs didn’t know, which is that Leighton saved the Flyers season. The only reason we were on the bandwagon was his performance, out of nowhere, when the team was at its most dismal and lost. Boucher had actually played fairly well, but the team just wasn’t playing in front of him. To those who want to say that Leighton was carried by team defense, well sorry but that’s a crock. The guy had a stretch where he was outstanding in spite of a floundering team that was routinely coughing up pucks and giving up scoring opportunities.

There just isn’t a situation one could imagine being more pressure filled than the one Leighton was put in when Boosh went down to injury in the Boston series.

I also think that pulling Leighton in game 5 was a major mistake. Funny, but Chicago didn’t pull their starting goalie after the same number of goals. Instead of letting Leighton attempt to get his confidence back, he was yanked as in game 1, and in neither case did that help. Do you think that maybe that might have put a little more pressure on him?

Sadly, people don’t seem to be able to look past a handful of softies when the guy was fresh off his injury and thrown into the firestorm, but I think he certainly demonstrated he has the ability to be an NHL goalie.

by Gizmoitus on Jun 21, 2010 3:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Finally, I haven’t heard one person mention that the game-winner in the gold medal game was a weak goal, and I totally agree with you.

Leighton wasn’t sensational, but he clearly outperformed expectations of him.

by Phalange on Jun 21, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

You both think the Gold Medal winning goal was weak? I disagree.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 21, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Geoff — you’re kidding right? It was 5 hole shot where Crosby got the puck when he was below the circle and being left handed is practically on the goal line. It’s the very definition of a weak goal, and if it happened to Leighton we’d have morons on here calling him an alltime goat.

The 2 goals are very similar because in each case the goalies who had played well under heavy pressure were surprised in overtime by shots that nobody would have otherwise expected would go in. Leighton’s was worse, but in neither case should the goals have been scored if the goalies were positioned properly. They were both seeing eye shots that just happened to find a gap.

by Gizmoitus on Jun 21, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you’re not kidding…

It’s not even worth arguing. People’s definitions of weak goals astound me.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 21, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It was definitely weak.

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by Ben Rothenberg on Jun 21, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, agree to disagree.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 21, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not as weak as Kane’s, but definitely weak.

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by ToddtheFox on Jun 21, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s a definition of a weak goal we can all agree on: the puck goes in the net.

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by PatterPoet95 on Jun 22, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

"You ever play hockey? That sort of comment makes me think — no."

Certainly, you never played goal.

I’m with Geoff on this one: “People’s definitions of weak goals astound me.”

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by TopShelfTony on Jun 21, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think, as a goalie myself, Miller would say “I could have stop it. It caught me by surprise and it shouldn’t have.” Deep down, though, he’d know that it wasn’t a mental lapse or inattention; it was simply a play that came from nothingness.

by Snevik on Jun 21, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, a play that came from nothingness resulted in the very definition of a weak goal?

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by TopShelfTony on Jun 21, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I’m agreeing with you. It wasn’t a weak goal.

by Snevik on Jun 21, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, you’re an attorney, right? Had me completely faked out. Probably could have scored any old kind of goal on that one.

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by TopShelfTony on Jun 21, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. It’s one thing to get beat (Miller got beat) and another to let in a weak goal.

I think we need to establish degrees of weakness. I don’t think these need explanation:

  1. A Toskala
  2. A Leighton
  3. A Nabokov
  4. A Miller

This was the definition of a Miller.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 21, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

A thing about the Leighton was that most reviews say that Kane head-faked Kimmo off the ice, when in reality, Kane shook his head and Kimmo put him into the corner but Kane still managed to score.

The Nabokov and the Leighton are both variations of a shot through the five-hole, and I would put the Nabokov worse than the Leighton from what I have seen

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by ToddtheFox on Jun 21, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

It certainly wasn’t strong.

And for the record, I have played goal, and therefore should be an expert on weak goals, considering how many of them I’ve given up.

by Phalange on Jun 22, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chicago didn’t pull Niemi all playoffs because no matter how badly he played, and he really stunk the joint out here and there, Coach Q had 0lessthan 0a lot less than 0-763 confidence in Huet. He’d have put Sopel in goal before he put Huet in.

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by TopShelfTony on Jun 21, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

…which says something about the amount of confidence that Lavvy had in Leighton, I think. To put in an still pretty obviously injured Boucher in a game in the SCFs, well, I can’t see that indicating confidence in a guy at all. And no, I don’t buy the “shaking things up” bit either… :-)

by CTFlyer on Jun 21, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

A

I agree that mostly when Leights looked good, it was due to superior effort from his defense. However, when he looked his worst (in the finals), the defense was horrible.

I think that the same would be true with any goaltender that Philly had put in. The point is, for whatever reason, the defense played better when Leights was in goal. Why? I don’t know.

However, if goalie X means losing games and not making the playoffs, and Leights in goal means winning games and making it to the finals, that sounds like an A to me.

by BrunoReturns on Jun 21, 2010 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

A

Just like he managed to get surprising results in net, he gets a surprising result from me. I have no idea how one goalie can be as lucky as him

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by ToddtheFox on Jun 21, 2010 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Inconsistent, but ...

A. Solid goddamn A. The man had basically never started at all, then changed the Flyers season around with some solid if unspectacular play in goal, got hurt, and then came back to save their bacon again in the playoffs. “Oh but what about the soft goal that lost the Cup???” One goal. ONE DAMN GOAL. You find me any goalie in the world who can’t think of a few they’d rather have back. Sure, it came at the absolute worst time – but it was still ONE GOAL. And then add into that how a completely unsung backup on waivers manages to be a key component in getting his team to the Cup Finals; the man deserves an “A” and a starting goalie contract …. just maybe not here.

by penguinsfan on Jun 21, 2010 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t know. I can think of several more than just ONE soft goal he let in in the finals. For example the one that tied it up 2-2 in game 6, or a bunch in games 1 and 5. Maybe people will argue that he also stopped a lot more shots than the opposing goalie and that there were also so exceptional saves, but that doesn’t make the soft ones any less soft. And right or wrong, the soft ones are the ones people remember.

I would give him a B and would analogize it this way:
If you take a class and get A’s on all your papers and homework throughout the year, and then get an F on the final exam that is weighted much heavier than all those papers combined, you are not coming out of that class with a final grade of A.

by SteelBirdFlyer on Jun 21, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You hit the nail right on the head. Ten great saves, 100 great saves, neither of those can make up for the softies he let up in the Finals.

by CTFlyer on Jun 21, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

A Tough Call

When I first saw this poll, and the grade, I pretty much agreed with the A grade. But the more I thought about it, the more I had to disagree. Ultimately, I gave Leights a C. Here’s why.

First off, did Leighton exceed all expectations of him? Absolutely. He played mostly great against Boston and Montreal, and to come back and go into an elimination game on his first game back from injury, well, that’s impressive. But, much like the QB in football, or hell, even the president of our country, goalies often get too much credit or too much blame for the way things play out.

As Gizmoitus mentioned earlier, Boucher played pretty damn well himself, even when the Flyers were losing a ton of games. The fact of the matter is the team in front of him was playing terrible hockey. They started playing better and better as the season went on, obviously, and while I won’t go as far as to say the team defense carried Leighton through the playoffs, it sure as hell didn’t hurt him. And if anyone thinks the minutes Pronger was playing was just due to the third line being as bad as it was/is, I think Leights is actually a part of that as well. I just don’t think Lavvy had the confidence in Leighton, and if you think of his five-hole, it’s easy to understand why that might have been the case.

Especially when you look at the Finals, because Leighton generally outplayed Niemi (who I personally think is a pretty bad goalie, but that’s neither here nor there). The difference is Niemi managed to steal a game or two (game 2 for sure), whereas Leighton just couldn’t do the same. It wasn’t for lacking talent—that I could excuse. Leighton made some great saves in the series, but he also had some huge blunders that may have cost us the Cup. The second goal of game 2, the mullet’s OT goal in game 6, et cetera. As many great and timely saves as he made, as many shutouts as he had against Montreal, it’ll be the blunders that stick with me. And for that, he gets a C. He was/is an average (not terrible, not great) goalie around a very much above average team, and a C reflects that.

by CTFlyer on Jun 21, 2010 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Oops, knew I forgot something...

I also have to say that despite the fact that he exceeded pretty much everyone’s expectations of him, they weren’t exactly all that high to begin with. Seeing him start in the middle of the season was like seeing game 82 go to a shootout vs. Lundqvist: You just thought we were done, and yet somehow, we made it through. That’s how I felt, anyway.

by CTFlyer on Jun 21, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m no Leighton apologist, but a C is unreasonable. Sure he was mostly a terrible goalie in the SCF, and I still have no idea how he managed to do what he did in the regular season, but he managed to.

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by ToddtheFox on Jun 21, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean something like what Scott Clemensen and Kevin Weekes did for the Devils a year or two ago? Like I said, I don’t think Leighton is a bad goalie. I don’t think he’s a great goalie. He’s average. Nothing wrong with that. But could he have done what he did on an average team? Could he have gotten this team to the Finals had he been the team’s starter, playing 50-60 games, from game 1? Did he give up 3 goals in game 7 vs. Boston (including that one real terrible one off a terrible rebound), requiring the team to pull off the miracle of the millennium, in more ways than one?

Just too many negatives to counter all the positives, for me…

by CTFlyer on Jun 21, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that he is an average goalie, but based on his percieved level of averageness, you would rate him as a C?
I think we only need to look at Boosh’s numbers to see that this team wasn’t all that great during the regular season. I know there is an argument for the idea that the team didn’t play as well in front of Boosh as they did Leighton, but it can’t be as simple as a goalie swap caused them to be better.

16 wins, 5 losses, GAA of 2.48 and SV% of .918 doesn’t suggest he deserves a C grade at all.

When he came in I wasn’t expecting anything special at all, and even though he was still winning games I was waiting for a stretch of bad games where he would revert to his AHL form. We might have won the Cup with Boosh in net, but we wouldn’t have got there without Leighton. And I think that at least deserves more than a B.

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by ToddtheFox on Jun 21, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

All good points. His numbers look good, and there’s no denying that, but some of those goals that he let up were so cringe inducing, so I’m-Bobby-Knight-here’s-me-throwing-a-chair that I can’t possibly justify an A. I thought of a B-, but the Cup-clinching goal stopped me from voting B, hah.

Look at it this was. In the playoffs, Niemi was 16-6, with a 2.63 GAA, and a .910 save percentage. Would you give him an A, or close to it, despite only being marginally worse than Leighton, by the numbers? Going top shelf on him was as reliable as going five-hole on Leighton.

Don’t get me wrong, I love Leighton’s story, but looking objectively at things, he wasn’t really that good. He was an average goaltender, playing well above average at times, and other times, playing well below average. Averaging out to, uh, average. :-)

by CTFlyer on Jun 21, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can understand not an A, my sentimentality for goalies made me stretch to A, but one goal changing his grade? Does Carter go from a B to a C because he shot it at Niemi’s helmet late in the game?

Regular season Niemi plus post season Niemi would get an A from me.

I think the difference is that Leighton he played above and beyond what I expected from him. Sure at some times he was average, but other times he was great. Given his career numbers, I’m not sure how you think he could have done better. I’m not comparing him to an ideal keeper that would stop nearly every shot he faced, but I’m comparing him to himself and what his level of playing is. And he played above his average for most of the regular season and post-season.

If I was to rate Leighton as a goalie, compared to all the goalies in the NHL, he would be a C or D. But rating on his season as a Flyer, he is at least a B

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by ToddtheFox on Jun 21, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, the one goal didn’t take him from a A to a C. It took him maybe from a B-/C+ to a C. For one, it really was that bad, and two, it was in an elimination game in the Stanley Cup Finals. It’s interesting you mention Carter as well, it should be interesting to see what grade he gets when they get around to doing his writeup.

Since you think Niemi is also worthy of an A, I think it’s safe to say that we’re just going to disagree on our assessment of goalies. Niemi had stretches of great play (the last 10 minutes of game 2), but throughout the finals, he was well below average. Leighton generally played better, but not by much, and his goals allowed were obviously far worse in timing. Niemi’s success—much like Leighton’s—was due in no small part to the play of the team around him.

Simply put, Leighton is an average goalie, but he played well below even his average in the Finals, and I just don’t believe he was the biggest reason we got to where we were.

Agree to disagree. :-)

by CTFlyer on Jun 22, 2010 6:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

You seem to put a lot of stock on your grade from the finals, whereas I’m thinking back to the reg season as well.

I agree to disagree

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by ToddtheFox on Jun 22, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

You really can’t grade him objectively on the team “he could have played for” the grade is for the team he did play for.

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by PatterPoet95 on Jun 22, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

The guy saved our season

if that doesn’t get you an A I don’t know what does. It’s a shame he gave up such a weak goal but that’s life. Hopefully he bounces back, puts his trust in what Reese taught him and finds a team to give him a chance. I didn’t like it when Lavi pulled him vs Toronto or Game 5— yeah it shakes up the team but it sends the wrong message to the goalie IMO.

by Hans S on Jun 21, 2010 10:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Lots of guys single-handedly saved our season, if you think about it. Boucher’s shootout performance in game 82, Briere and Giroux in the same shootout. Carcillo’s OT goal vs. the Devils. Gagne’s game winner in game 7 vs. Boston. Richie’s huge hit and huge goal vs. Montreal. Oh, and a little girl named Chrissy Pronger may have had a bit to do with the season as well. ;-) It wasn’t just Leighton, and while he did his fair share, I can’t say he did any more than his fair share.

by CTFlyer on Jun 21, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

All those game 82 heroics mean nothing without Leighton getting us to that point.

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by ToddtheFox on Jun 21, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

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