Wednesday Morning Fly By: Big News Day
by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2010 10:54 AM EDT
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- Boston acquired Nathan Horton from the Panthers yesterday: [Hockey or Die]
- The Canadiens signed Tomas Plekanec to a six-year deal: [Puck Daddy]
- The Penguins signed Matt Cooke to a three-year deal: [Hockey or Die]
- The Sharks are not going to re-sign Evgeni Nabokov: [Puck Daddy]
- The NHL Salary Cap is expected to rise by 5 percent: [CSNPhilly]
- Remembering Scott Niedermayer: [Puck Daddy]
- The retirement of Niedermayer turns the page for Anaheim: [From the Rink]
- In the Hall of Fame Class of 2010, it's those not selected that make the headlines: [Puck Daddy]
- That includes Fred Shero and Eric Lindros: [CSNPhilly]
- But why Lindros should be in the Hall of Fame anyway: [SBNation]
- A team-by-team look at those most likely to be traded at the NHL Draft: [From the Rink]
- Could Andrew Ladd be going to Vancouver? [Hockey or Die]
- The NHL unveiled the Classic logos yesterday: [icethetics]
- Lastly, presented without comment: "Tyler Seguin, Taylor Hall, Ryan Miller, Dustin Brown among those walking red carpet at the LA world premiere of The Twilight Saga: Eclipse." [kausatoday]
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Plekanec only got 5 million per can we now put an end to the there is no way we can afford Carter’s contract demands next season. Carter makes 5 million now based on Plekanec’s deal Carter shouldn’t get a huge raise in fact his number could come down some depending on what Bobby Ryan gets. That is assuming Carter stays at the 35 G 75 PT area.
I speak for everyone but myself when I say this, no.
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by PatterPoet95 on Jun 23, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
How is Tomas Plekanec the comparison for Carter?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
haha, always avoiding disagreements, aren’t you?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m just in a bad mood, once again, someone has ruined my efforts of recording the USA game to watch later by talking about what happened in the row next to me at work. Awesome. I may black out soon, so no good can come from any back and forth from me today.
haha, that sucks. You said you can never go a day ignoring the game.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I tried to be ahead of the game today. I im’d everyone at work that might even consider talking to me about soccer. Told all of my co-workers to not talk about it at all around me. But then some guys buddy in the next row came over to tell him what had happened, and before I could yell at them, they ruined it for me.
that stinks. It was an epic game.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Well if Chris is talking about next year if Carter becomes a UFA, I guess it is, but I disagree that this is good news in that comparison. If Pleks is making $5 per for 6 years, Carter is gonna command a lot more, especially if he hits/exceeds the 35 goal mark. Carts is a better goal scorer, better defensively, and is younger.
But for RFA’s, you already have your comparison in the Backstrom signing.
Backstrom is a better comparison, but I think Carter comes about $.25-.5 mil cheaper.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He better be cheaper than Backstrom, I would hope but at least $0.5mil. I’m sure this is skewed by my love of Backstrom’s game, but to me Backstrom is just as good, if not better than Carter at a younger age. How that translates to $‘s I don’t know, especially since that’s just my opinion (last time I checked my opinion doesn’t go far to setting players salaries; see Campbell, Brian), but I sure hope Carter is at least $0.5 less if not more.
the thing is, if you put AO on Carter’s LW, would he be comparable?
Just saying…
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 23, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
All the more reason to trade him. haha.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 23, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, I don’t wanna come off like I’m bashing Carter. If they trade him, they don’t have anyone to replace his skill set really. The problem is, the Flyers, as they are built right now, don’t seem to need his skill set. Now if Carter somehow worked on the wing, I would not be typing this. I guess I’m just a firm believer in centers needing to be more playmaker than sniper.
And I considered his linemate when I wrote that, I still think Backstrom is the better player. But that’s b/c I like his style of play more, and have no problem hearing people think Carter is better. I just think you can put Backstrom with anyone and he’ll be a more effective player than Carter would be with the same players.
Palkenac C 27 years old, 82 GP 25 G 45 A 70 PTS 2009 – 2010
Carter C 26 years old when his contract ends, 74 GP 33 G 28 A 61 PTS 2009 – 2010
similar age similar point totals
if Carter say averages is last two seasons this year
78 GP 40 G 33 A for 73 PTS that is pretty close combine that with Carter is RFA and Plakenac is UFA they should even out. It is not that far away.
Backstrom scored 41 more PTS than Carter and Plakenac for comparison 4th Best PT total in the league he got 6.7 million hit. 82 GP 33 G (same as Carter) 68 A for 101 PTS.
Semin another 40 G scorer RFA got only a 6 million hit. But he had 84 PTs.
Kessel coming off a 70 GP 36 G 24 A 70 PT season that is 1.00 PT/G has a 5.4 million dollar cap hit.
1) You can’t compare RFA contracts and UFA contracts, you simply can’t. But we’ll jump ahead to next year for arguments sake (which Carter will still be younger for)
2) Pleks doesn’t excel as a goal scorer, nor a play maker. He is good at both, great/elite at neither (and his is shit in his own end). Backstrom is an elite playmaking center, Carter is a great goal scoring center; he excels as a goal scorer. And god help us if he puts in 40+ this year, he will probably get the label “elite” from a lot of people and his price will go through the roof.
3) Pleks has had 1 good year, one bad year, one good year, and one bad year. He is not consistent, actuall he is the model of inconsistent play that gets rewarded with too much money after a good year
4) I don’t care about anyone not playing center, but we’ll see what Semin gets paid on his next contract to be on a 1st line on another team. But still it’s a different category, a top flight wingers value in his defensive end is not usually reflected in his contract, as a center’s would be
5) Kessel is even less established than Carter is offensively, so Carter should cost more than Kessel. Plus i view Kessel as Peeps soft, just my opinion, but I would never want him on the Flyers (the olympics pretty much was all I needed to see in addition to my suspicions for that opinion)
6) all of your comparisons can’t play D outside of the one I think is any good (Backstrom). An offensively talented center that can actually play both ends of the ice is an expensive commodity.
That’s why I disagree with you, doesn’t mean I’m right, I just disagree.
Yes you can because RFAs make less money than UFAs.
So if you are Carter are you going to ask for over 6 million per year. The RFA compensation package would be two 1st rounders, a 2nd rounder and a 3rd rounder. Nobody is going to make him that kind of offer not in today’s NHL where the cap is not moving at the rate it was 4 years ago. Especially after the Maple Leafs lost the 2nd overall pick.
The Flyers might give him 6 million that is still only a 1 million dollar raise, jesus Cote comes off the books that is half of Carter’s raise it is not this big number we can’t deal with. And we could always make him a lifer like Richards and get him cheaper with a 20 year deal or something before they make that illegal under the rules.
There was also a lot of talk on these forums to simply trade Carter for Plakeanc straight up during the regular season just to free up cap space.
What do you think Kovy is going to get as a UFA or Marleau. Maybe then we will have a better idea. Marleau should make more than Carter for sure I bet he gets less then 7. There isn’t a lot of money avaialble for ridiculous contracts especially considering the model for success is depth at forward not superstar power.
I’m confused as to what this has to do with your comparison to Pleks at all? I’m just explaining how I don’t think it’s a good comparison and how I don’t think it’s good news if you project Carter as a UFA in the future.
If RFA’s make less than UFA’s how can you say they are comparable, sure you can try to normalize them a bit for reference purposes, but they still aren’t a proper comparison. You can’t compare a UFA this year to an RFA this year. If you want to project Carter as a UFA that’s fine, but if you want to compare a potential RFA contract, you have to make a direct comparison to other RFA’s.
I understand there are ways to fit Carter under the cap, no matter what his demands are, but that isn’t what we are talking about, and that’s a whole other can of worms I’m not touching right now.
I feel like this thread just took a sharp left turn and went in a different direction.
Here is my logic.
1) UFAs make more than RFAs
2) Plakenac and Carter are comparable Carter being more valuable but not too much
3) Carter wil be RFA next year
Therefore Carter should make something comparable to Plakenac.
Carter already makes Plakenac’s 5 million per year
Therefore Carter will not be getting a huge raise next season that would make keeping him impossible.
I’ve said like 8 different things wrong here to try to get Carter to be a UFA in my head, I wish I read and thought today at all. Point is Carter is not a UFA, you can’t compare the contracts, and if you did, Pleks is still a poor comparison b/c Carter is out of his league. I didn’t want to have this discussion and have gotten myself mad at myself for even having it in the first place b/c I’ve referred to Carter too many times like he is a UFA just to try to comprehend the comparison, and he is not a UFA. I should have kept my stupid mouth shut b/c I’ve turned myself in to a moron.
I don’t understand why you can’t compare UFA and RFA contracts can you elaborate on that one for me.
I feel like you understand why. UFA: player holds the upper hand b/c they are aware of the market (competing UFA’s), the market will be every team in the league, they can try to suck their current club out of every possible penny before hitting the open market (the Habs, weak at center, weak free agent class). RFA: club holds the cards, competing offers will be less anyway b/c they will require picks for compensation, no one is pulling a Penner again. Again, I think you know the differences, so I’m confused why you would ask.
If you want to work out in your head how to normalize the two for yourself to compare, that’s fine, I just don’t understand why you would use Pleks when you have Backstrom’s RFA contract sitting there as an apples to apples comparison.
Okay I think Backstrom is 1.0 – 2.0 million more valuable than Carter at his younger age of 22 vs. Carter at 26 someone would be more willing to part with the picks in a big time compensation package. That 4 years is a big difference and part reason why Carter got a big initial RFA contract when we was 23.
That still puts Carter in my opinion in the 4.5 – 5.5 million dollar range. Comparable to Plekenac.
Which is fine, but how he got to that salary is completely different. Pleks got over paid for being an inconsistent producer, but having a good year when he became a UFA for a team with no center depth in a year with a weak FA list. If Cart is sub $6, it’s b/c he isn’t Backstrom, and Backstrom took a bit of a discount on his RFA deal, so his starting point is what Backstrom got, then you come back down from there depending on what you think he is worth. That’s a big difference than Carter being a UFA, starting at Pleks 6 year $30 deal, and then going based on how much more valuable Carter is versus Pleks. I just don’t think you can get from point A (Plek’s UFA signing) to Point B (Carter’s RFA signing) logically, but maybe at the end of the day they are close numbers wise.
Also, I would love if you numbers are right, but I think he’ll be in the $5.7-$6.2 range. But it’s hard to say, still some more RFA’s to cross off the list and another year to be played.
All that arguing and we are off about 750,000 K from our predicted value of Jeff Carter’s next contract. Also since we both agree the club holds the cards for an RFA a deal I am wondering given the Flyers cap situation next season (Giroux, Leino, and Gagne are without contract). What we “can” offer and might actually lower his contract value.
Well 1. We were never arguing bottom line number, but the validity of the comparisons, and 2. We could be off as much as 1.7 mil a year, which is a lot.
I don’t think there is any way Carter signs for less than what he is making now, IMHO.
I was just trying to see where u were coming from, and in doing so, I took up way too much of this thread with stuff that is irrelevant and makes no sense. Bottom line, Pleks contract has nothing to do with Carter’s. It’s like in school, when you have to show your work, just because you have the right answer doesn’t mean you did anything right to get there.
How much is Nabby going to make in free agency? That’s my question. If he takes $4MM a season, a) do we have the cap room to do that on a short term deal or b) given the success of waiver wire goalies, do we pass?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 23, 2010 11:02 AM EDT reply actions
no effing way
Nabokov is not even worth 3 mil, pass pass pass. Ill take my chances with a solid defense and a low price goalie. we dont have the salary cap room to give 4 mil to an overrated goalie.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jun 23, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I am kind of in your boat, but I’m wondering what he’s going to make this next season. I am certain the play of Niemi and Leighton really drove down his bargaining power, but maybe I’m wrong.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 23, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem is how many teams are interested in him. Tampa? Ottawa? Washington? None of those teams are likely to pay him a ton of money.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s kind of my point. If he’s going to get like $3MM/season, isn’t that worth it for a short term deal? I’m not talking huge money for long term, but rather, come play for a contender for a reasonable salary and then if we win the Stanley Cup, you’ll make yourself a lot of money next offseason.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 23, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
If I’m his agent, I’m probably telling him that, but I think he can still get a $3.5-$4 from someone like Ottawa, so the Flyers aren’t exactly his first option.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
$2MM + Boooossh shirt + autograph session with Gina Lynn and how is this a bad signing?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 23, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, I think it’s the shirt that seals it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
you think Ottawa is going to go the FA route again after the disaster that was Leclair this season? I would think they might decide to ride Elliott, who has been decent.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 23, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
But Leclaire is no Nabokov. They still have the cap space (~ $9 million according to CapGeek with 19 players under contract) to eat Leclaire’s hit.
And DGB’s video saying “Who each get to play in every game” is funny for a reason. Elliott isn’t ready yet, so pairing him with Nabokov is a lot better than pairing him with Leclaire for a year.
Then again, it requires the team to admit error, which is rare.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve also read for Nabokov, it’s not about the money anymore, so if you’re Nabby and you get an offer from 3.5MM to go play for Ottawa vs. 3MM to play in Philly, do you really care about the 500K?
I mean, having to live in Canada is brutal in the winter.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 23, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, plus it’s Ottawa…
Either way, $3 million is still slightly more than I want to pay a goalie if we have a stacked-top 5 defense. Yes, I’m quibbling, but that extra $250,000 or $500,000 goes a long way.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m fine with the bargain basement shopping approach. Go in with the B’s unless you have the end of free agency left overs (like Biron last year) desperate to sign for cheap. I’m not saying Nabby at $3mil would not be far superior to Biron at $1.4 or whatever he’ll get this year. I just really like the Flyers 1-5 d core, and don’t need to see it going anywhere for any big name goalie.
I think the market for big-name goalies has gone significantly down, but Nabokov at $3MM is the perfect scenario for me. The drop off for a $2MM goalie is pretty large and I’m not sure the Flyers can pull off a miracle run next season by signing the Biron’s of the world again.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 23, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you should qualify your statement. Nabokhov at $6MM is overrated. Nabokov at $3MM is an f’ing steal.
I can’t believe you could even justify putting Chris Mason in the same conversation as Nabby.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 23, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Tom Awad puts Mason above Nabokov:
Of the upcoming goaltender free-agent class, the four currently highest-paid goalies are Evgeni Nabokov, Marty Turco, Jose Theodore and Vesa Toskala… But none of these goaltenders is any better than Chris Mason, a less touted name, and they’re not demonstrably better than Dan Ellis either.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
wow, i take that back then, I’m surprised.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 23, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Just for the record, I heard those footsteps coming…
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by PatterPoet95 on Jun 23, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, I figured you would
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
damn, we should be signing Ty Conklin. That guy is money.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 23, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but if you notice, his 90% confidence interval is massive. Now, I’m probably completely blowing the analysis here, but that to me says he’s not very consistent. If I had his quality start percentage, I’d feel a lot more confident, but I’m fairly sure that means he could be good or bad.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, you are correct, but let’s face it. Conklin makes about $600K a season and he’s still on a list of top 40 goalies, in the top 10 even. If we turned Micheal Leighton into a one year wonder, imagine what Conklin, who actually has shown flashes of brilliance as a starter, might look like.
We should trade the Blues our 7th round pick for him, let him and Boosh tandem for a year with say a 50-30 split and hope we catch lightning in a bottle for another season.
That or we can trade for Vokoun who as Awad points out is head and shoulders above everyone else (in a roundabout way)
This article even makes me want to pay less than the $3MM that Ellis/Mason are looking for and if we are paying $3MM, I’d rather have Nabokov at that price simply because of the experience factor.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 23, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That or we can trade for Vokoun who as Awad points out is head and shoulders above everyone else (in a roundabout way)
He’ll be the roundabout!
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by mikefive on Jun 23, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha, I think Awad has a man-crush on Vokoun. Every article he does points out how wonderful Vokoun is.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 23, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Love the Yes reference!!!! REC’d
I wonder if anybody else on here got that. Yes is one of my favorite bands ever, and my first concert I’ve ever seen.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jun 23, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I feel like Mason may be better than most think. I’m not sure if he’s better than Nabakov, but I think he is better than Theodore, Turco, and Toskala.
Now for the Flyers, if the price is right I would go for Nabakov, but we have other needs for the cap first, like Hamhuis, Coburn, and all the other FA’s. After all of the re-signings and if no salary is cleared through trades, I feel that we won’t have enough room for him. But a cheap goalie who was waiting around for a bigger contract and got skipped over (like DLJr said) may be do-able. Or we’ll just re-sign Leighton.
I also feel that by the start of next season Backlund will be our starter, from what I have read and how he did in Glenn Falls, at this rate he’ll be our #1
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jun 23, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Tow Awad then later with the Quality Starts metric ranks Nabokov 3rd in the league with a 63.4% of his starts of
describe when a goalie was playing well enough to win, regardless of whether or not the team in front of him scored enough goals to actually secure the 2 points
Mason was only at 50.8 %
Entirely true. But nobody has debated that Nabokov had a career year this past year.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m definitely not one to debate goalie performance. My only point was that if Nabokov was to come at a reasonable price (say $3MM) that I would think that would be a smart signing for a year.
Maybe I’m too fixated on the “name” recognition, but if we’re looking at around $3MM for a goalie, I think we could do much worse than Nabby, which is my only point. (debating whether he would play for $3MM is an altogether different argument)
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 23, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d take him, just at a lower price than most people would. $3 million and I’d be “eh” about it. $2.5 I’d be ecstatic, $2.75 I’d nod in agreement.
Yes, that’s completely irrational, but it’s more on the amount spent in goal than the price at which Nabokov came.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that’s fine.
If the choices were Dan Ellis for $2.75mil, Michael Leighton for $2.5mil, and Nabby for $3mil, I’d certainly take Nabby.
I’d just rather Dan Ellis at $2mil than Nabby at $3.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Well they might have but you'd need a mighty powerful GPS to find where in that marathon debate you and poet had. He sure told you. Didn't he? I forget.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 23, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe I conceded that one without actually admitting defeat…
I don’t know about anyone else but quality starts sounds suspiciously close to wins as a way to evaluate quality goaltending.
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by PatterPoet95 on Jun 23, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
“ducking under my desk in case anything geoff throws at the computer actually makes its way through the intertubes of the interwebs”
Wise in so many ways: profound, practical, -ass,…
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 23, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t worry, though. Surely Geoff is much too mature and thoughtful a man to engage in such childish displays of temper as throwinfg things at his computer…
(Might want to be a bit careful starting your car, however.)
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 23, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, I’m not throwing anything. I value my computer too much.
Besides, you’re not far off. Quality Starts tries to take the team effect out of the Win-Loss totals.
It’s funny we started talking about this because I’ve spent the past day going through every AHL goalie who started a game last year to figure out what a Quality Start in the AHL this past year would be.
It’s calculated by taking the Median save percentage from every goalie who started a game and then kindly rounding up to get a more accurate reflection of how that goalie did. In the NHL this year, it was .917 S%, rounded to .920. It’s much lower in the AHL, but I haven’t completed the database.
Anyway, it’s meant to show times where the team let the goalie down (Like Vokoun having a .973 save percentage in a game and getting a loss) AND when the team picked the goalie up (when someone, I don’t have a concrete example, has a save percentage of .865 and gets a win). It shows, albeit meekly, a better understanding of who should get credit for a W and an L – the team or the goalie.
Baby steps, Patter. Baby steps.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1 to you Sir…
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by PatterPoet95 on Jun 23, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
I don’t have a concrete example, has a save percentage of .865 and gets a win).
Both Niemi and Leighton did that in the playoffs didn’t they?
Game 1 of the final for Niemi. Think Leighton did it too but can’t think which game. Maybe not .865 exactly but not too much different.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 23, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Leighton had an .889 in Game 3, got the W; .880 in Game 7 against Boston.
Niemi had an .852 in Game 5 and got the W; .875 in Game 6 and got the W; .844 in Game 1 and got the W…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m still sad that we didn’t/couldn’t make a play for Horton. He would have looked awesome with Gags and Richards.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 23, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions
So, with Niedermeyer retiring the Ducks need to bolster their blue line. We just picked up Hamhuis, and would also love Bobby Ryan to be a Flyer….any chance something crazy happens there?
Hamuis for Ryan and Carter for Vokoun.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jun 23, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet you used to turn off AI intelligence in the old NHL games to pull off any trade you liked…didn’t you?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
look just because i built the 2004 Flyers in NHL ’99…..
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jun 23, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's an interesting rumor
Sharks acquire Gonchar’s rights.
http://nhlsourcessay.blogspot.com/
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“Tyler Seguin, Taylor Hall, Ryan Miller, Dustin Brown among those walking red carpet at the LA world premiere of The Twilight Saga: Eclipse.”
Nice to see grown men going to see a movie meant for 14-year-old girls.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
this would probably make a good HO story…if I had a decent picture of all 4,
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 23, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Top 2010 NHL Entry Draft prospects Tyler Seguin, Taylor Hall, Erik Gudbranson, Cam Fowler, Emerson Etem and Beau Bennett, Buffalo Sabres goaltender Ryan Miller and Los Angeles Kings captain Dustin Brown will walk the red carpet at the star-studded world premiere of “The Twilight Saga: Eclipse” on Thursday, June 24 at the Nokia Theatre at L.A. Live in Los Angeles.
Wait for Friday morning and I’m sure you’ll have some good pics.
It only took 3 hours for someone to comment on that…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s your own fault, you missed out on a chance to dick with them.
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by PatterPoet95 on Jun 23, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
well, some of us come here to you know, talk about hockey…
/mariod’d
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 23, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, touche.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Stuff like this always astounds me. Like if a bunch of hockey players were seen at the premier of a movie like Old School or that movie about getting someone to the Greek, then I wouldn’t bat an eye.
But Twilight? I mean, really? Are they all going to see Hannah Montana next?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
dude, you are practically writing my story for me.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 23, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m stealing that idea too…
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 23, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully Nailing Ashley Greene can be an overly sexual, metropolitan answer to What’s Eating Gilbert Grape.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Cuthbert is still the goddess of hockey
enough said
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Is this a veiled sloppy seconds joke?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 23, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
To get to the other side.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Jun 23, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Marc Savard is still alive, and therefore on the list
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Niedermayer had to retire before we signed Hamhaus didnt he!
The guy love to stick it to us!!!!
Im not happy about this…
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He drove up the price for high caliber NHL defenseman because now the Ducks are obviously going to be in the market for a #1 guy.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 23, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
But Hamhuis is interested in playing here, and the Flyers are interested in signing him. I’m sure they’ll get something done in the expected $4 million-per-year range.
Niedermayer’s retirement does not automatically make Hamhuis…
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Nice, I’m simply interpreting Prome’s point, I didn’t say I agreed with it.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 23, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Also he likes our D, but he wants to play out West.
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 23, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Off-topic
Has anyone watched the epic Wimbledon match today between
Nicolas Mahut vs. John Isner: 4-6, 6-3, 7-6 (9-7), 6-7 (3-7), 59-59
Yes, that’s right…59-59 in the fifth set! The first four sets were played yesterday, only the fifth set was played today (all 7 hours plus of it), and it’s finishing tomorrow. The winner has to play later on Thursday.
Simply astonishing…
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 23, 2010 5:11 PM EDT reply actions
And, you know, the US of fucking A won Group C.
You know it’s a good sporting day when I haven’t even thought about the Flyers. Came on here to talk soccer with anyone willing.
They’ve been impressive so far! :)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 23, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I was streaming it while watching the World Cup
Mahut has 95 Aces in the Match,………..So far
Isner has, I think 92!!!!
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 23, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I was flipping between the World Cup and the tennis – it was disorienting. Eventually, the tennis won out because it was clear that what was happening was historical beyond belief. I’m simply amazed that neither guy can break the other’s serve. 118 f%^&ing games straight without a break in serve!
Yes, we won group C at the World Cup too! :) U-S-A! U-S-A! :) Ghana on Saturday – I’d love to make the final 8 again…
Of course, I may have to fly over to SA to give the referees a pice of my mind – why do they keep disallowing legitimate goals by us? Grrrrrrrrrr……
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 23, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Has anyone watched the epic Wimbledon match today between
Nicolas Mahut vs. John Isner: 4-6, 6-3, 7-6 (9-7), 6-7 (3-7), 59-59
Yes, that’s right…59-59 in the fifth set! The first four sets were played yesterday, only the fifth set was played today (all 7 hours plus of it), and it’s finishing tomorrow. The winner has to play later on Thursday.
Simply astonishing…
Here’s a good summary below:
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 24, 2010 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Trade Alert
Byfuglien, Sopel, Eager to Atlanta for 1st rd pick (New Jersey’s), 2nd rd pick (new jersey’s), Reasoner and Jeremy Morin.
January 11, 1976
Wow that’s quite a trade – let the dumping of salary begin…
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 23, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
And now
both FLA and CHI have 5 picks in the first 2 rounds of the draft. What amazing possibilities to trade up, package,…
January 11, 1976
by TopShelfTony on Jun 23, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Panthers now have 5 picks in 1st 3 rounds NEXT year as well.
January 11, 1976
by TopShelfTony on Jun 23, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Screw you Atlanta for being idiots and helping Chicago out
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Does anyone think this is a good deal for Atlanta? Cause I’m thinking it is terrible for them…
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by PatterPoet95 on Jun 23, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know how anyone could think this works out well for Atlanta. One overrated forward and two mediocre defensemen for prospects and players who may be decent in the future – they got fleeced, and, as Todd said above, they’re basically idiots.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 23, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Dudley’s not stupid, but unless there’s something more to it…
January 11, 1976
by TopShelfTony on Jun 23, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
See the trade thread
Without repeating myself too much, most of Atlanta fans (all 32 of them) think it is actually a good trade. Relative to others Waddell made, it is unusually good (unless you were in the Zhitnik fan club). More or less of a crapshoot at 24 (these were NJ picks). They need Buff for marketing purposes.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Am I alone thinking this isn’t so bad for Atlanta? Seems like they’re going to be adjusting their style of play some.
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