QOD who stays and who goes (not Carter or Goalie)

by orangeandblack20 on Jun 23, 2010 8:36 PM EDT

Gagne-Richards- ?

Lieno-Briere-Hartnell

JVR-Giroux-?

?-Betts-Lappy

Carter fits in there somewhere, or he is being traded, but enough Carter talk. We have three big pieces to the puzzle in there that all may or may not be Flyers next year. All of Danny Carcillo, Darroll Powe, and Aaron Asham's contracts are done as of July 1st (some restricted some not). These three guys were essential in making and sucseeding in the playoffs all in different roles. Lets look at all of them and see what they bring to the table, what it will take for them to stay, and what it will take for them to go.

Darroll Powe- This kid played amazing this year. There are not a lot of negatives with his game. Like Travis said his fifteen points were gravy on top of how phenomenal he played with Betts and Lappy. He played so well down the stretch that he took Lappy's penalty kill minutes away from him after his return. There are only two ways that I can legitimately see Darroll not in a Flyers uniform next year. 1. The Flyers' brass feels that Dan Carcillo is a better fit on that fourth line than Darroll (which I cannot see at all). Now these players are two totally different players BUT if we fill the holes on the first and third line with players other than Carcillo and the only spot left is on the fourth line. ALSO, we must get another PK'ing free agent (probably the third line guy). If all of that that happens then Powe's PK ability is not needed and then MAYBE Danny Carcillo is a better fit on that fourth line. However that is all a stretch. The more realistic reason that Powe goes is because Nodl is already locked under contract and maybe they wanna use him for some salary cap related reason. However, i really do not see Darroll Powe not in a Flyer uniform next year. He's restricted which helps our cause, and this guy could and should be signed for three to four years under a million.

Dan Carcillo- Before the playoffs, and especially before the second round I would have told you that there was a better chance of me being on the Flyers than Carcillo not being on the Flyers next year. However, the end of the playoffs showed me something else. Danny was quiet in the later rounds, which for him (unlike Powe) is not a good thing. Danny needs to be Flying around hitting guys and making room for guys. Now, do I think he'll be here... yes. The only way that I can see him not being here is if we fill in the top three lines with FA or Jeff Carter. I don't think he can beat out Powe for the fourth line LW spot, but I do think that he'll be the guy protecting Giroux and JVR, which could work out really well for all three.

Aaron Asham- Unfortunately I think that he's gone. The positives of him staying are his slap shot, his fighting, and his attitude. The negatives of him staying are his lack of upside. You know what your getting with Ash, and as much as I don't want to see it, there is not a spot for him on this team anymore (unless it's Carcillo's). I'm unofficially using this to say my goodbyes to Ash, and thanks for the great two years!

Poll

Who stays for next year

Only Asham

3 votes

Only Carcillo

7 votes

Only Powe

19 votes

Ash and Powe

12 votes

Ash and Chico

3 votes

Powe and Chico

27 votes

All three

9 votes

None

2 votes

82 votes | Poll has closed

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Travis I don’t mean to be stepping on your toes by any means with all of these polls, just trying to keep the offseason busy.

by orangeandblack20 on Jun 23, 2010 8:41 PM EDT reply actions

They’re re-playing Game 7 vs the Bruins right now and Nodl played really well. He takes the body and is defensively responsible. Hope he impresses Lavi in the preseason and gets icetime. Maybe he’s got more to offer than Powe on the 4th line.

by Hans S on Jun 23, 2010 9:45 PM EDT reply actions

I don’t mean to speak for Travis or Geoff or Ben, but I love these.

Anyway. Powe had an average regular season, by my estimation, but he had an excellent post-season. He’s turned into a reliable player on the penalty kill and filled in well on the fourth line when needed. I’d love to see him back, but I think it depends on how much he’s asking for, relative to how much Nodl’s making ($850,000 for ’10-11, then RFA). If you can sign him to that three or four year deal for less or around that $850,000 mark, absolutely. But Nodl also had a great few games in the post-season, and to some extent Powe and Nodl are the same player in that they fill the same role. But mark me down as a Powe supporter.

Carcillo … I’m not in love with. I think it’s great how he gets under the skin of other teams (and their fans), especially other “enforcers.” But he still has a tendency to go overboard. And I loathe how he dives and embellishes. It’s … one of these things where I can’t quite explain why, nor do I have any evidence, but I just don’t like his attitude. Or his game, for that matter. It’s nice that he can draw penalties, but is it worth the risk? All it takes is one word too many and the minors/majors are on him, not someone on the other team. He’s got some damn good hands, though. I’ll pass on him. Trade his rights to Edmonton or something where he’ll get (at most) once chance per year to take “revenge.” And no, I wouldn’t mind if it’s only for “future considerations.”

Asham’s a great guy, and has some incredible hands, I just feel like he doesn’t have a role on this team. He’s somewhere between gritty top-6 forward and physical role player. He goes back and forth. There are a lot of teams that could use a player like that. Unfortunately, the Flyers right now are at a stage where everyone sort of has a role and it’s basically set. The Flyers are going to go into next year with three scoring lines and one checking/energy line. Asham doesn’t really fit on the third scoring line (though his physical game has helped Giroux and certainly JVR on that line with them), nor on the energy line. What the Flyers need for that third line is a physical player who’s got a more full-time scoring touch — a Mark Recchi-type, if you will. With regret, pass.

by Ben Feldman on Jun 23, 2010 9:47 PM EDT reply actions

That’s a very fair assessment. I was VERY happy with Asham’s play in both the regular and post season. he was everything we wanted when they signed him. With everything that’s developed, I just don;t see him back. The needed role for his position changed. If they want 3 scoring lines, I’d like to see more production from his spot. I have no doubt he’ll get picked up somewhere.

Carcillo… ~~sigh~~ The guys shows flashes of actual talent. But his head is all wrong. Like Downie in a way. If he can stop with the histrionics and use his speed and hitting to open some ice up, I think he’d be a great addition. But he MUST cut the crap out of his game. Too many Flyers take stupid penalties. And his reputation alone gets him majors. If he continues to improve though, I can see him on the 3rd line. Playing with Giroux and JVR might just force him to keep his head in the game (and improve his scoring).

Powe- Solid 4th liner here. Very good on PK, and works well with Betts and Lappy. I think he’ll end up taking Betts’ place as center when that contract ends.

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by Mike B on D on Jun 24, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions

If Asham has incredible hands then so does James Thrash. He is a 4th line guy. So are the other two guys and so is Nodl. Pick 2 and dump Cote. I like Nodl and Carcillo because they are younger have can move to play on the top lines when needed. Nodl is a good insurance for the Betts and Lappy who do everything they get injuried on the PK and Carcillo brings the fist, attitude and energy.

by chrislanci on Jun 24, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Asham and Powe

Although I would like to keep all three, if it came down to it I would pass on Carcillo.

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by ToddtheFox on Jun 23, 2010 9:54 PM EDT reply actions

Powe, Carcillo, Asham in that order. Not necessarily my preference, but how I think the organization ranks them.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2010 11:27 PM EDT reply actions

Agree. Carcillo could become a better and younger version of Asham. But I think thats a bit further off in his maturity

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by ToddtheFox on Jun 23, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions

I really would like to keep all 3 of the because we’ll need some good fill in guys if anybody else gets injured. But I feel that’s unrealistic. I know they’ll keep Powe because he does PK very well and has been amazing with Lappy and Betts. I think the FO will keep Carcillo over Asham because of his RFA status and that he’s younger.

If it were up to me and I had to pick one of the other two I’d pick Asham because he has a better scoring ability and he did everything right this postseason and as much as I like Carcillo’s game, he’d have to be out.

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by Lindbergh 31 on Jun 24, 2010 12:16 AM EDT reply actions

Agreed with most everything, good write up.

Frankly I could deal with losing all 3. I like both Powe and Asham and what they bring to the table. Carcillo is definitely a nightmare to play against, but I’m more than fine going in a different direction. They need to fill out the Gags/Richie line with a legit winger in my mind, and none of these 3 fit the bill. That leaves 2 holes with 3 plugs. I really like Asham, really like him. I like his game, his attitude, his personality, everything about him, but I don’t see the Flyers keeping him around. Carcillo, to be honest, I could give or take. He is entertaining, but isn’t a key piece to this team moving forward in my mind. Powe I would like to keep on that 4th line. However, if we lose him, he is easily replaceable with Nodl. That would leave one hole left on the 3rd or 4th line to me. You could easily find a plug somewhere. I would ideally like to see Nodl get a shot at the 3rd line in the preseason. I wouldn’t mind keeping Powe around for the 3rd/4th line role, or Pyorala, or any free agent.
I guess my point is, they could handle losing all three and could easily replace any of them. The one that has the most value is probably Powe, Asham is the guy I like the most, and Carcillo, meh. But end of the day, they can either replace these guys with others on the roster or with free agency.

by DLJr on Jun 24, 2010 8:33 AM EDT reply actions

Wow… I forgot about Pyorala. He might work on the 3rd linbe as well. Nodl has played well too, but I’m not sure if there is another spot for a defensive forward. If you’re going with 3 scoring lines, I’m not sure if he’ll help that 3rd line or not.

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by Mike B on D on Jun 24, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, that’s why I would like to see him there. Watching him play in college versus now, the big difference in his game is confidence. Even between the AHL and the NHL. As soon as he gets in the game at the NHL level and touches the puck he is immediately looking to get rid of it. That’s a sign of a player playing without any confidence. He has improved the other aspects of his game to make up for it, but I still think if something could click for him he could put in 15 goals a year. I’d like to see what he could do with JVR and Giroux. I don’t think he’d be that big of a step down production wise from Asham, especially if he can get some confidence going. And he has turned in to someone who can forecheck well, get pucks out of the corners, is defensively responsible, and play the penalty kill. I don’t think he’ll get a shot at the 3rd line, but I’d like to see him start there in training camp.

by DLJr on Jun 24, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions

I though Pyrola had signed overseas…might be wrong on that though.

My favorite of the 3 is Asham but I think they will let him go. I like Powe as well but he seems replaceable. If they aren’t going to get a real 3rd line winger Carcillo might fit well with JVR and Giroux. He does have some ability to score and that line does need some grit/protection.

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by Shaker on Jun 24, 2010 12:52 PM EDT reply actions