Pronger finishes 5th in Norris voting, Richards 7th in Selke voting

by Travis Hughes on Jun 23, 2010 9:17 PM EDT in News

The NHL Awards are in Las Vegas tonight, and as they announce each award, the NHL press release holds the complete voting numbers for each award.

Duncan Keith of the Chicago Blackhawks deservedly took home the Norris Trophy as the NHL's best defenseman, but color me shocked to see Chris Pronger coming in fifth in the overall voting. Here are the complete numbers, courtesy of the NHL.

Player	Total	1st	2nd	3rd	4th	5th
1. Duncan Keith	1096	76	37	14	2	1
2. Mike Green	831	34	46	23	15	9
3. Drew Doughty	662	15	28	46	25	11
4. Nicklas Lidstrom	303	4	9	16	28	36
5. Chris Pronger	168	2	3	9	22	16
6. Dan Boyle	116	1	2	5	15	22
7. Shea Weber	96	1	2	6	12	6
8. Zdeno Chara	88	0	3	7	6	14
9. Christian Ehrhoff	21	0	1	0	3	5
10. Mark Streit	15	0	1	1	1	0

Mike Richards finished seventh in Selke voting, one year after being a top three finalist. Pavel Datsyuk of the Red Wings won... again. James van Riemsdyk picked up three fifth places votes for the Calder Trophy, beating out Toronto's Tyler Bozak. Take that, Leafs.

After the jump, the chart for the Selke.

The Selke chart:

Player	Total	1st	2nd	3rd	4th	5th
1. Pavel Datsyuk	688	37	26	21	8	7
2. Ryan Kesler	655	36	26	15	10	8
3. Jordan Staal	528	24	17	21	19	7
4. Jonathan Toews	408	17	15	19	10	8
5. Patrice Bergeron	185	8	8	4	8	5
6. Travis Zajac	73	0	5	3	6	5
7. Mike Richards	71	2	3	4	1	7
8. Patrick Marleau	65	0	2	5	6	8
9. Henrik Zetterberg	61	2	1	4	3	5
10. Nicklas Backstrom	51	1	3	1	4	3

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Clearly Mike Green’s acting is very persuasive.

by Ben Feldman on Jun 23, 2010 9:18 PM EDT reply actions

We need a second opinion.

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by jello44 on Jun 23, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions

I’m pretty sure I yelled bulls-eye.

by CTFlyer on Jun 23, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions

How manny times is that dam Caveman allowed to vote!

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by Prometheus74 on Jun 23, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Which one? The Geico one, or Ovie?

by CTFlyer on Jun 23, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Even Ovie knows Greens isn’t the top D man in the League, so I was talking about the Gico one

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by Prometheus74 on Jun 23, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Poll Question:

Which award is more meaningless: a NHL Selke Trophy or a MLB Gold Glove?

Discuss.

by The DTrain on Jun 23, 2010 9:28 PM EDT reply actions

The Gold Glove, because it’s somehow mutated into a batting award, which is what the Silver Slugger is supposed to be.

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Jun 24, 2010 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions

Gold Glove- um how many does Jeter have? enough said.

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by PatterPoet95 on Jun 24, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions

Henrik Sedin won the Hart.

Awesome.

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by jello44 on Jun 23, 2010 9:32 PM EDT reply actions

Thank God. I was groaning at the thought of another Ovechkin/Crosby circle jerk.

by The DTrain on Jun 23, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions

both camps will be complaining why they idol got snubbed,
The No fair, Crosby came in 3rd jerk and whine feast will start in 3….2….

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by Prometheus74 on Jun 23, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions

I’m very glad he won it. If it was Crosby or Ovechkin I would have puked because Henrik Sedin was a beast all year long.

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by Lindbergh 31 on Jun 23, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Blair Betts got one First Place vote and two Second Place votes for Selke.

Strange.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2010 10:27 PM EDT reply actions

That is strange.

by Ben Feldman on Jun 23, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions

I think Selke is one of the toughest awards to vote on. Ovechkin and Crosby getting plenty of votes is complete BS, and Semin not getting any votes is too. So tough to judge how good of a defensive player a given guy is.

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by red army line on Jun 24, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, I understand. I’m just completely astounded that the only people who voted for him put him 1st or 2nd. Also, he certainly deserves votes, but 1st and 2nd place votes? Those three guys deserve some credit for picking a defensive specialist, but they also deserve some criticism for putting him first and second.

In all, it’s just strange.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Duchene finished third to Myers and Howard in Calder voting, but he’’ll win the Hart one day. Neither of them will.

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by TopShelfTony on Jun 24, 2010 12:15 AM EDT reply actions

Tavares and Hedman still have more potential than the rest of that draft class.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 24, 2010 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions

Well Duchene was the only player taken in the 2009 draft of the Calder candidates, so you are saying that Tavares and Hedman have more potential than just him, or all three?

I still think Myers (2008 #12) has tons of potential, he hasn’t even come close to growing in to that lanky frame of his. Clearly he has offensive gifts, now imagine him growing in to some snarl. That kid could be an absolute beast, and the best of any of those 5.

Quick compare to of Myers to Hedman (when i say highest on team below, I mean for Dmen only):
Myers: 48pts and a +13; QualComp: 0.074 highest on team; QualTeam 0.182 highest on team (so head played with the best on his team against the best of the other team); His Ozone start is 50.1% and Ozone finish is 52.6%.
Hedman: 20pts and a -3; QualComp: 0.025 middle of his dmen, QualTeam 0.047highest on team (he played against average competition while playing with his teams best players); His Ozone start is 49.8% and his Ozone finish is 45.4%.

I realize this doesn’t measure potential, but Myers played first pairing minutes for a playoff team and produced. Myers is only about 10 months older than Hedman, and has more of his body to grow in to. Just thought I’d throw this out there.

Side note, Tavares did play tougher comp with inferior linemates than Duchene.

by DLJr on Jun 24, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions

Some scouts had Duchene higher than Tavares because Tavares’ skating isn’t great while Duchene can flat out fly.

by red army line on Jun 24, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions

It’s hard to project anyone forward, or make a statement like Tavares and Hedman have more potential than the rest of that draft class. I just wanted to give Myers his props b/c 1. he wasn’t in their draft class, and 2. the kid had a sick year for not being close to physically matured. I personally think he’ll be better than Hedman, but that’s just a guess using this years performances as a gauge. Duchene and Tavares, who knows. Duchene had the better year, Tavares played the tougher minutes.

by DLJr on Jun 24, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah I probably should have qualified and clarified my statement more. TST said Duchene will win the Hart some day, but I personally believe just from the reading/watching I did last season before the draft that both Tavares and Hedman have a ceiling of being something special and are hence more likely to win the Hart over the likes of Ovechkin. Hedman was definitely disappointing this season but he’s got the talent, size and grit to be a superstar.

Myers is a stud, I’m not gonna argue with that. Duchene is very good too but just in my personal opinion, Tavares has a higher ceiling and more Hart trophy potential.

Somewhat related question: what do people think Giroux’s ceiling really is?

by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 24, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions