Panaccio: Sides 'Not Close' On Hamhuis Deal
by Travis Hughes on Jun 24, 2010 1:03 PM EDT
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With six days before free agency officially begins in the NHL, Paul Holmgren and the Flyers brass are reportedly not close to a contract deal with defenseman Dan Hamhuis. Tim Panaccio passed along the news via Twitter.
#Flyers and Dan Hamhuis camp are NOT close on a deal
Tim Panaccio
tpanotch
The Flyers, of course, acquired Hamhuis in a trade on Saturday that saw Ryan Parent head south to Nashville. If Hamhuis doesn't sign before July 1, he'll become a unrestricted free agent, available to any team.
For comparison, let's look to the June 2007 trade with Nashville that saw Scott Hartnell and Kimmo Timonen, two guys who were set to hit unrestricted free agency, come to Philadelphia. Almost immediately after that trade, the Flyers agreed to terms with those two players.
"We're extremely close to getting it done," Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren said. "We'll get it done in the next day or two."
Two days then, five days now. And after five days, the sides aren't even close. This could mean something. At the same time, it could mean nothing. I think, at this point, we should understand that Holmgren wouldn't have made the trade if he didn't believe he could sign Hamhuis. That, or he has something more sinister up his sleeve.
Let's not worry... yet.
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My guess: Homer’s looking between $3.5 to $4 million per year but willing to compromise around $4.25 million at the most and Hamhuis and his agent are looking between $4.5 and $5 million per year.
It’s probably a combination of that, the length of the contract, and whether or not an NTC is involved.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Sarah Baicker...
… posted THIS:
Calm down, people. It’s only June 24. You’ll get your Hamhuis.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I still remember her Trade Deadline posts
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 24, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
NTC involved? I thought any negotiations with Holmgren automatically meant you got a NTC, just like when your grandmother comes over, you know you’re getting the M&M’s rattling around in the bottom of her purse.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 24, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Should we make a play for Volchenkov if this does not work out? $4.5 or $5 Milllion seems too high a price to pay. May make Coburn want more then, too.
Coburn isn't the same level as Hamhuis
but i see your point. Could bump his price up to 2.5-3.5m. Hopefully not — that’s too much for Coburn. Maybe not the 2.5.
Fallback option: Michalek
Just my opinion, but if Hamhuis won’t sign for $4M or under, the Flyers should pursue Zbynek Michalek. He might get signed for less than $3M (just speculating, as he only made $1.5M last year in a poor hockey market ).
Oh yes. Criminally under-rated. If we pair him with Timonen, the other team might not even realise there are any defenders on the ice
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by ToddtheFox on Jun 24, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Geoff
This triples the cleverness of your Monday Morning Flyby title “Waiting on Hamhuis.”
"Game 7's are tough... It's a game that's made for men and our guys proved to be men today." -Laviolette
At least…
"Game 7's are tough... It's a game that's made for men and our guys proved to be men today." -Laviolette
by PatterPoet95 on Jun 24, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, I love getting credit for unintentional cleverness!
Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I have this thing that everything on a plane is single serving…
Oh I get it, very clever, how’s that working out for you?
"Game 7's are tough... It's a game that's made for men and our guys proved to be men today." -Laviolette
by PatterPoet95 on Jun 24, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
his name is Robert Paulson
his name is Robert Paulson
his name is Robert Paulson
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 24, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice one. But don't get carried away and start doing Ninja Turtle references, OK?
I mean, there have to be some standards here.
January 11, 1976
by TopShelfTony on Jun 24, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I could not live if I could not quote lines from my favorite movies. Give me Fight Club or give me death. Or ummm maybe that isn’t the greatest way to reference Fight Club
"Game 7's are tough... It's a game that's made for men and our guys proved to be men today." -Laviolette
by PatterPoet95 on Jun 24, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Fight Club was the beginning, now it’s moved out of the basement, it’s called Project Mayhem
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 24, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
This is your life. And it’s ending one minute at a time.
Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Fine, but no segue from his name is Robert Paulson to Ninja Turtles. None.
January 11, 1976
by TopShelfTony on Jun 24, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, you created me. I didn’t create some loser alter-ego to make myself feel better. Take some responsibility!
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 24, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I DO! I take responsibility!
Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
After fighting, everything else in your life got the volume turned down.
bread. butter. cheese. VICTORY!
by Prometheus74 on Jun 24, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
And now, a question of etiquette: As I pass, do I give you the ass or the crotch?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I am Jack’s inflamed sense of rejection.
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 24, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I am Jack’s inflamed sense of rejection
Even out of context, this is just an endlessly hilarious line. :)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 24, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
In that case, sir, may I advise against the lady eating clam chowder?
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 24, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
Like a monkey, ready to be shot into space! Space monkey!
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Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It's like an unearned run though, doesn't hurt your ERA.
January 11, 1976
by TopShelfTony on Jun 24, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
That, or he has something more sinister up his sleeve.
Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of Homer?
Travis do.
Like what, Travis?
January 11, 1976
C'mon Travis! What evil lurks up Homer's sleeve?
Or was that just an afterthought?
January 11, 1976
by TopShelfTony on Jun 24, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
he should trade Hamhuis rights to the ducks for our 29th pick back.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 24, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
well that would be a coup
Parent for the 29th pick?
sends shivers down the spine
Damn -- Boychuk wanted to stay in Boston
Sweetheart hometown discount deal for the Bruins: $3.75 M over two years. $1.75 M next season and $2M in 2011-12 .
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I’m telling ya, Hamhuis most likely not sign with the Flyers. He’s going to end up back in the West, where he WANTS to play.
Then they should find a team who wants him, and trade him there.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
cough Ducks cough….
cough Canucks cough
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 24, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Neidermayer!!!!!!!!!
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 24, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s with the coughing going on around here? Is there a virtual virus going around?
"Game 7's are tough... It's a game that's made for men and our guys proved to be men today." -Laviolette
"...or he has something more sinister up his sleeve."
Panotch:
Paul Holmgren is meeting with Leighton’s agent M. Liut as I tweet
The thought of bringing back Leighton is pretty sinister.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Unfortunately, i wouldn’t put it past Homer to bring Leighton back. All through the playoffs he was talking up Leighton, and even after the loss in Game 6, he was still acting like the goal was no big deal. This worries me…
In Latvia, they're rooting for Bartulis' team, the Filadelfijas Flaieri!
If he brings back Leighton, he needs to trade Boucher. It’s that simple. The Flyers cannot go into next season with those two as their goaltending tandem.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
he needs to trade Boucher.
Forgive me, Father Geoff, for I have sinned…
I’d rather keep Boucher than Leighton, but if Homer is bringing back the latter, then this town ain’t big enough for the both of ’em.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
haha, you’re forgiven.
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Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m all for it, but it better not happen.
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Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Then what am I going to do with my “BOOSH!!” jersey? sigh
I can read the future, while lesser men read comic books.
Wear it with pride!
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Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
That is awesome
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 25, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m quite comfortable if they bring Leights and Boosh back for next year. I really think that Leighton could be a cheap, sound investment. Give him some stability and security as well as a some more time to train and close his five hole by a few feet and he could very well come out being a very solid and reliable goalie. I really think he has a lot of untapped potential.
why do you think these things?
i guess it’s nitpicky to ask, but the guy’s in his late 20’s, I realize some goalies bloom late in their careers (Tim Thomas), but what makes you think Leighton has it in him?
Problem is (and I hope like hell this isn’t the case because he’s a terrific guy by all accounts) that Tim Thomas did bloom late in his career and now it looks like he’s blowing away like dandelion fluff. I hope not, but that’s what it looks like. If it is, I’m glad he got the big money after all his work in the minors. Looks like another reason for Ken Holland’s philosophy on goalies though.
January 11, 1976
by TopShelfTony on Jun 24, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Leights was an all star both in Juniors and in the AHL, where he won the Aldege “Baz” Bastien Memorial Award as the AHL’s best goalie. Other “Baz” Bastien award winners: Ryan Miller, Dwayne Roloson, Manny Legace, Marty Biron and Mark LaForest (remember him?) to name a few…
The last two winners (immediately following Leights) were Cory Schneider and Jonathan Bernier, respectively.
I am not 100% sold on Leights as a 60 game starter either – I’m just sayin, the background and the potential for being a solid late-bloomer starter is certainly there… If we can get him cheap, I am for it.
by SanDiegoScraps on Jun 24, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well said.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 24, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
One Problem:
Schneider won at age 23, Bernier age 22, Miller at age 25 during the lockout, Biron at age 22, and Legace at age 23. Leighton won at age 27, Roloson at age 32. You can’t toss those names around without the context.
Even still, besides Tim Thomas, who else qualifies as a “late-bloomer”? I’m not convinced there even is such a thing outside of 2 or 3 examples.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Well it may just be wishful/optimistic thinking. However everything that he does do wrong seems to me, to be very addressable. Give him even more time with Reese coaching him and what could very well shape up to be one of the best defenses in the NHL and he could very well be a cheap, solid solution. As far as his age goes, in my opinion older goalies are less risky than the young ones. Obviously that isn’t always the case. I think the fact that Leights has seen what perhaps is the highest pressure situations he could face as well as him already being a pretty solid goalie with just a few addressable issues makes him a very reasonable choice.
by Ryne Barrett on Jun 24, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
What's he gonna say
“it appears that the Flyers aren’t interested in my man Leighton, we’re open to other teams”
Other teams then think, hold on, that means the Flyers probably see some weaknesses in his game that they aren’t willing to take another risk with.
Leighton’s value goes down.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 24, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
please dont
If they bring back Leighton i’m going to throw up. People talk about fixing some minor problems he has but do these problems include, “not letting in the cup clinching goal that any average college goalie would have saved.” Leighton might be good enough to take us through a strong regular season, and maybe back to the finals, but sooner or later his weakness is going to rear its ugly head. Anyone typing on this blog could fire one through that five-hole.
Not surprised at all by these events…Flyers are looking at 3.0-3.5 range for 3 years and Hamhuis is looking for 4-4.5 million 4 years. Deal is not happening, get ready for your compensation kids!
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 25, 2010 10:12 AM EDT reply actions
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