Are the Flyers interested in Tim Thomas? Some say yes, some say no
UPDATE 1:30 AM: Sam Carchidi is quoting a source that says the Flyers have "no interest" in Tim Thomas. He's also reporting that the Flyers would have to be "knocked over" to deal Jeff Carter, but to me that means he's not as "untouchable" as a source told Tim Panaccio earlier.
That's not to say that we're asking for Jeff Carter to be traded or anything, but the notion that Carter would be untouchable when the Flyers are a) stacked at center and b) Carter is the only big contract without a no-trade clause seems a bit off.
Holmgren not giving up Carter easily, but still open to the sheer possibilty of it, makes a lot more sense and should help us sleep a little better on Draft Eve. When all is said and done, as Ben Feldman points out in the comments below, it seems as though nobody really knows what the Flyers have up their sleeves.

ORIGINAL POST 10:39 PM: We got a lot of laughs out of the Boston Bruins this season. There's a possibility that those laughs are quickly going to be turned in the opposite direction, though.
If reports are true, Paul Holmgren and the Flyers have talked with Peter Chiarelli about a trade that would bring goaltender Tim Thomas to town. It looks like those reports are true, too, as reporters in both Boston and Philadelphia have made note of it on Twitter this evening.
First, Tim Panaccio reported the news, and quickly thereafter, Joe Haggerty of CSN New England responded, saying that he's heard the same thing. Yep. The Flyers are actually talking with the Bruins about a trade for Tim Thomas. Get that into your brain for a second.
Now, bring down the rage a notch (just a notch though). It's not all bad. You see, Panaccio also said that the Flyers would have to clear about 5 million in cap space to acquire Thomas, and you wouldn't expect them to trade a guy like Jeff Carter to a team like the Bruins that will no doubt be in direct competition with them next season.
Still, nothing is stopping them from clearing salary in other ways, like trading a guy to another club. This is a possibility, and it's scary. Thomas lost his job to Tuukka Rask this past season, and it wasn't just because Rask is a helluva young goalie.
No, Thomas had quite a bit to do with it as well, and his hefty cap hit -- $5 million a year for the next three years, to be exact -- just screams future hell for the Flyers should they add him to their books. Oh, he has a no-movement clause, too, meaning you can't even ship him to the minors until July 2012, let alone trade him easily.
Sure, we understand that nothing could happen here, and we understand that Holmgren could just be covering all of his bases. But that doesn't mean this thing won't happen. It's in play.
Thomas is old, expensive, and we don't even know if he's good anymore. Why would this trade even be thought of from the Flyers perspective?
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I’d sooner take back Leighton before trading for this asshat.
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Agreed.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 25, 2010 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I changed my mind. I found a situation in which I’d be thrilled to have a Boucher/Backlund (or Backlund/Boucher) tandem — well, not thrilled, but close enough — and that’s if Tim Thomas is the only other reasonable option. I don’t want him eating the Flyers’ bags of $100 bills.
by Ben Feldman on Jun 24, 2010 10:45 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I would have
taken him 5-6 years ago, but not now for that much money and now way to move him when his arm falls off from old age.
My reaction while reading this

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by ToddtheFox on Jun 24, 2010 10:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Very nice. You = Mac? Cause I was Dennis.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
If Thomas ever wants to set foot in Philly while wearing a Flyers sweater, he better be bringing those Phil Kessel picks with him.
by philiafan14364 on Jun 24, 2010 10:49 PM EDT reply actions
Carter for Thomas, Krejic, and #2 and we have a deal
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Yeah. Wouldn’t fix the Flyers having too many centers, but trust me, I’d survive.
by Ben Feldman on Jun 24, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Seguin said he’d play RW, and you could flip Krejic for another winger at a comparable price range.
Not gonna happen, and I’d hate to see the Flyers have to face Carter 4 times a year. That would probably be an easy 12 goals for Carts
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It’s nice to think about, though, isn’t it?
by Ben Feldman on Jun 24, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
The fact that if you gave Carter a little impetus he could score 3 goals a game?
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No. Because I don’t know how he’s getting that impetus here. I was thinking about how nice it would be to have all these top-notch assets.
by Ben Feldman on Jun 24, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Rumors also have Carter going to LA for Quick or Bernier and another player or pick. I don’t know what’s going to happen tomorrow, but Homer’s definitely up to something.
“Yeah, I read that the other day. There’s no way. He’s not going anywhere,” Kings GM Dean Lombardi told ESPN.com on Thursday.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s specifically about Quick, right?
by Ben Feldman on Jun 24, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
to be fair, Homer said the same thing about Carter. And it seems he is more then just “on the table”
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
Well, yeah, Homer said in December that he wasn’t trading Jeff Carter this season. He didn’t. Whether he’s on the table now or not is complete speculation.
While I know you need to take any GM quote with a grain of salt, why should anyone’s statement to the contrary carry more or equal weight?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t Homer tell CSN the other day that he hasn’t considered trading Carter, though?
by Ben Feldman on Jun 24, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t forget he was trained by Clarke. Clarke used to say he wasn’t trading someonethen you hear a news report and that player was traded
by hbcivicsi93 on Jun 24, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
No, i mean last week he said he was not gonna trade carter
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
Again, Sam Carchidi and Eklund v. Paul Holmgren and Dean Lombardi.
I realize you can’t trust what any of the four say, but really? I’m going to at least go with what the guys in the room are saying knowing they could be lying than with guys selling what they write knowing they could be making it up.
One side is trying to get people to read them, the other is trying to get people to stop asking questions. I’m going to go with the guys NOT seeking attention.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
???
Homer said it in a press confrence
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
Clearly, you have more faith in Sam Carchidi and Eklund than I do.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
wait, wtf are you talking about. not being rude, but what does Eklund have to do with this?
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
When GMs say a player isn’t being traded but reporters say they “hear things” to the contrary, who do you trust?
Bernier/Quick are being talked about by Carchidi and Eklund while Lombardi denies it. Holmgren denies Carter is on the block, and suddenly no body trusts anybody. Quick, Bernier, and Carter are all available?
I’ll take Lombardi saying Quick will not be traded and Holmgren saying Carter will not be traded with the grain of salt while taking what Carchidi and Eklund say and completely ignoring it.
Rumors are rumors, mainly started by the press so they can eventually bother the GMs into giving quotes. Blind squirrel, nut, etc.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
if someone else uses the term “blind squirrel/nut” again, im leaving. thats like the 50th time in the past two days.
back to being serious, all I was saying is that Every GM has to say a star player isnt being offered, even if they are. Why? no idea. But its been like that every time since I was a kid. I.E. McNabb this summer
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
Entirely true. They have to.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, except maybe Burke. No one knows what he’s saying at least half the time. Including him.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 25, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I have to agree to some extent with JpH89 here. If Homer went out and said that he’s actively shopping Carter then the media would jump up at it and make it the news of the week, making him answer a lot of questions, and ultimately making his life harder. It would also mean that if he doesn’t manage to trade Carter then Carts himself will know that his GM doesn’t have faith in him. It’s much easier to do it all outside the public eye.
That’s not to say that I think Homer or Lombardi or anyone else was lying. It’s just that you can’t take their word to be 100% solid.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 24, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Very true, but I think there’s a difference between saying “We’re shopping Carter” and saying “he’s untouchable.” You can just not comment on him.
I know, Holmgren isn’t the one saying Carter is untouchable now… it’s an anonymous source. Same thing, though.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 24, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’m just saying I don’t trust the people who start the rumors that the GMs have to deny either.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 25, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s a nicer image that sunshine/dog’s ass.
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by Mike B on D on Jun 25, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not saying that deal’s going to go through or even the Thomas deal, but there’s certainly a lot of talk going on. You’d have to think some kind of deal will happen tomorrow.
by memphisbrando on Jun 24, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again; Thomas is 80% luck and 20% skill. Since the Flyers have no luck we would be getting 20% of a goalie.
No thank you.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jun 24, 2010 11:03 PM EDT reply actions
A .915 save percentage and 5 shutouts in 43 starts. The Flyers could do a hell of a lot worse than that. Yeah, he lost his job, but it wasn’t because he was bad, Rask was just outstanding and the team couldn’t score any goals. I’d be all over this if it weren’t for that contract, but depending on what would move to clear the cap space, I’d be okay with it.
Lets look at some numbers:
Tim Thomas: .915 S%, .913 ESS%, .919 PKS%
M. Leighton: .918 S%, .916 ESS%, .925 PKS%
Yeah, the Flyers could do a lot worse than Thomas. They could sign Vesa Toskala.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The Bruins defense is good, but I don’t think it’s as good as the Flyers defense. Thomas won the Vezina trophy 2 years ago, Leighton was waived ealier this season. Suggesting that Leighton is better than Thomas is pretty far fetched.
I wasn’t suggesting Leighton is better than Thomas. I was suggesting they’re at worst equals. The point is: Why a) Trade a high-priced forward for something you already have in Leighton and b) why pay a guy $5 million to be as good as a guy getting $1.5 at most?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 25, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s been said already here before, but the only thing worse that the Flyers might do than trade for Thomas is maybe trade the Oilers for Khabibulin.
Okay, if the Bruins throw in the #2 overall pick tonight, maybe, just maybe, but it depends on what pieces are going back.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 25, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think that’s the question they face here, because I think Thomas is easily better than Leighton. The question to me is can they lose enough salary to get Thomas while not losing too much from a player-skill standpoint. Since Thomas’ contract is really rough and he’s the B’s backup, they’re wouldn’t have the upperhand. I think the Flyers could get him for cheap from a player standpoint because it’s a salary dump for Boston. But then who would they move to make room under the cap?
The contract alone makes me want to shy away from him. If they toss in the #2 pick, MAYBE. But I’d be afraid of who they dropped to make room.
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by Mike B on D on Jun 25, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Since the lockout though, isn’t Thomas like 2nd in ESS% behind Vokoun? I know he’s really high. Quite mind-boggling.
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by red army line on Jun 25, 2010 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he’s really high. But as someone else pointed out, Tuukka Rask is right up there among the leaders. Might be coincidence, might be a Devils-syndrome.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 25, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
But look at Boston as a team during that time. Not just their defense. They were quite possibly the best defensive team in the league. That will have a serious impact on his numbers.
I don’t think he’d be a bad pick up for us, but that contract is a bit much.
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by Mike B on D on Jun 25, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Defense only impacts ESS% by a few thousandths (the third number).
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
How good do I look to you right about now?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2010 11:04 PM EDT reply actions
not that much better, IMO
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Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
Im not a volkun fan
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
Vokoun v. Thomas and you think it’s a toss up?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
two years ago he was my fantasy goalie and blew out the warter. Hes too up and down, was great in Nash, then was bad, was great in Fla, then was bad, and now hes great again.
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
You’re F’n kidding me?
Vokoun’s last 5 years save percentage…(with terrible teams, BTW)
.919
.920
.919
.926
.925
And you knock the guy because of your FANTASY team? What a completely uniformed cockknocker you are.
Vokoun instantly takes care of this team’s major issue. The guy is nothing but money.
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Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
Easy, man. No need for the name calling.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 24, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
hey
I base Bernier because hes a beast in NHL 10. Besides, its not someone I would trade Carter for. If I want to trade carter, I want a young goalie to build with the team, not someone who may only have 2 or 3 good years left
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
It’s not “if” you want to trade Carter. You either trade him soon or he walks after next season.
We aren’t resigning him. Everyone knows that….we’re not going to be able to afford him, and if we don’t move him for something we need, then we just lose when he walks away in a few months.
Better to trade him now, sorry, while his value is still high.
Because carter is the only good young guy on the team, never mind Richi, JVR, Giroux, Powe, Carcillo, Leino, Carel, Bartulis, Coburn, (Ham?), Hartenll. I know that, more likly than not, carter will be gone after next year anyway, but my point was that we have the solid nucleus for at least the next 5 years.
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
Building?
This team is mortgaged to the hilt. There is no “building”. We either win in the next two years or revamp everything.
so you think this team, who average age is 27, only has a two year window? OK
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
you do relize that, for the most part, everyone on the team is at their max pay right. I mean, the only guys that need any significant raises are Giroux and JVR. Everyone else looks like they hit their Cap high
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
And Leino, who along with Giroux will also be an RFA after this season.
by Ben Feldman on Jun 24, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Leino will be a UFA. Just to clarify.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 24, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Ooh, crap. Thanks for correcting me. Big difference.
by Ben Feldman on Jun 25, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Unless Leino does amazing this year, his max would only be 1.5 mill
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
Although
If his P/60 regresses to 75% of what it was during these playoffs (3.72 × 0.75 = 2.79), then he’ll still have a higher P/60 next season than the likes of Joe Thornton, Evgeni Malkin, Zach Parise and Patrick Kane did this season.
There are 9 players who played >40 games this season and had higher P/60 than 75% of Ville Leino in the playoffs:
Chris Stewart, Marian Gaborik, Ilya Kovalchuk, Nicklas Backstrom, Alexander Semin, Sidney Crosby, Alex Ovechkin, Henrik Sedin and Daniel Sedin.
Of those 9, only the Sedin twins had a higher P/60 than Ville Leino in the playoffs.
If Leino uses extra ice time and continued time with Briere and Hartnell next season to somehow maintain his point production from these playoffs, he will end up with 90 points next season.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 25, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
And Pronger is not going to be this good forever.
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by red army line on Jun 25, 2010 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes he is. Pronger will never get bad at hockey. Hockey will get bad at Pronger.
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In Russia…
Hockey will get bad at Pronger
Cue Eklund rumor…
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by red army line on Jun 25, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
On my NHL 10, I traded Carter for Bernier and Johnson. I then simulated the next season 100 times to see how many times we won the cup (8). I don’t think thats bad at all.
If I get time over the weekend I might try it with some of the other roster suggestions and see what happens.
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How many with Carter, Hamhuis and Leighton/Boucher?
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 25, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Vokoun actually got new pads. Those are old.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Link fail? Thomas still has better equipment, regardless of the fact he wouldn’t make that save above
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It was a link to a game photo on NHL.com they don’t let you copy…They look like King Henrik’s, but red.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
IF THE KINGS WANT CARTER AND WILL GIVE US BERNIER
THEN TAKE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 24, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, the fact that Richards and Carter are the only untouchables is a little suspicious
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This is true. Richards is untouchable fair enough. Giroux and Pronger should be more untouchable than Carter.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 24, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Sigh.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 24, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
So Giroux is untouchable for Price, but not Bernier?
I’m suddenly seeing why people hate the trade deadline so much.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
If they trade Giroux I might have to hand my card in. Other then Desjardins every time I have a new favorite Flyer they end up traded. Come guys my WC Giroux jersey is only a year old.
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by darkside3744 on Jun 24, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll be right behind you if we trade for Thomas.
I really don’t get how Richie and Carter are the only “untouchables” I’m sure Pronger, JVR, Giroux, and all of our NTC guys are untouchable (unless they waive the clauses). My point is that I can’t go by that when they say they are the only untouchables.
I don’t want Thomas on our team. Maybe if it was at the beginning of last season and he wasn’t making 5M per year, but he’s making way to much and for 3 more years, no thanks.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jun 24, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The seasons over and yet I still have anxiety. By the way I’m a Vokoun guy even though at the begining of the season I was begging for Anderson but that ship has sailed.
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I wanted Anderson last summer too. Sigh times two.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 24, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Anderson would have been nice.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it's all just a prank
Thomas has got an NMC and he has recently been given the right to directly talk to other teams via his agent. So maybe the Flyers talked to Thomas’s agent and Thomas said something to the extent of “no, absolutely no” when we started telling him about Philly’s goalie problems and how everyone will hate him if he does anything less than win the Stanley Cup.
So then Homer gets on the phone to Chiarelli and starts asking about Thomas. Eventually Homer ‘decides’ on Carter, Giroux and our 2011 1st rounder for Tim Thomas. Bruins begin to announce the trade in glee….
…but then Thomas announces he’s not waiving his NMC for that trade.
Thomas gets his revenge on Boston.
Flyers have a bit of a laugh.
It’s perfect. Well done Homer!
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 24, 2010 11:27 PM EDT reply actions
While this is fairly (and intentionally) absurd, this scenario is actually more believeable than the Flyers actually wanting Thomas. I know I’m piling on here, but, huh??? If they trade for Thomas, Carter and that #2 draft choice and someone else from Boston had better be part of the trade.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Unless it was something like Hartnell for Thomas and maybe the Toronto 2nd rounder. Of course, in that absurd scenario, two people with NMCs would have to approve.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
I would love to pry away pick #2 from Boston. But Thomas just has one of those contracts that screams “HUET” but with an added NMC that makes it impossible for us to simply waive him off. Hmm is it possible to keep players on LTIR against their will? I know it’s unethical.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 25, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Next years UFA goalies is unreal!
Worst case scenario…..(Besides Thomas) would be to pick one up at the trade deadline
bread. butter. cheese. VICTORY!
Yeah? What goalies could be a UFA in a year? I haven’t taken a look at anything past this year.
by Ben Feldman on Jun 24, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I would love to get bryggy with it in Philly
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Vokoun will demand 6 I’m guessing
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 24, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Also Anderson, Ozgood, Conklin, Leclaire, Bryzgalov, and others.
The supply will bring some prices down and the teams will want to get something before them
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 24, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, waiting until the deadline is a good idea. Less cap hit for Vokoun.
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by red army line on Jun 25, 2010 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess
I’d rather have Thomas than some guy whos name I can’t say without getting out the scrabble board to spell it. I know he can be good, it’ll be a matter of if he is or not. With a sick defense in front of him that could only help his chances.
I went from “I cant wait for the draft” to “is it saturday yet” very quickly because if these damn rumors. Frankly, I would just rather keep Carter and sign Nabby or Mason for around 3 mill for 2 years, and sign Maxim for about 1.5, Ham for 4 mill, and just resign Powe.
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
which should leave us with about 2 mill in cap, right?
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
If I did the capgeek work right, you’d have 2.28 million in cap space with at least one more defender to sign.
Pronger-Carle
Timonen-Hamhuis
Bartulis-???
And thats if Hamhuis even gets signed.
Severt, Marshall, MAB, Cury. Its the #6 guy, we can have one hole right
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
Unless you manage to sign someone like Kurtis Foster for cheap — and even then — you’ll have two holes come April. Again.
by Ben Feldman on Jun 24, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
wait, what other hole?
Gagne-Richie-Carter
Hartnell-Briere-Leino
JVR-Giroux-Alfinaganov
Lappy-Betts-Powe
Pronger-Carel
Kimmo-Ham
Bartulis-(insert name above)
Nabby or Mason
Boosh/Backland
with 2.2 mill in cap, add in Ross or Nodl as healthy scratch, and I think we have a solid team
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
Your #5 and #6 D-men. They will become your two holes come playoff time. Just like they were this postseason (along with Michael Leighton’s fivehole).
by Ben Feldman on Jun 25, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Doesn’t sound like Hamhuis is signing for $4 million per year.
by Ben Feldman on Jun 24, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve been saying this since we got him. Dude’s not worth it
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 25, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Hamhuis plus the 2nd toughest minutes from his Dcore in Nashville, he is a slight upgrade looking at advanced stats over Coburn. But he is not worth all that extra money in my mind, especially if they have to give up Coburn to sign him. They’d be better off keeping Coburn for significantly less, and acquiring a veteran Dman to eat up 5th Dman minutes. Or Michalek, he plays tough minutes with crappy linemates, and would be a better fit in my mind salary wise. I’d rather package Hamhuis’s rights in a deal with Carter for Goalie/Winger/Pick(s). And make a play at an FA Dman like Mickalek.
Didn’t I hear that Hamhuis would like to play on the left coast anyway? Maybe packaging Hamhuis and Carter could land us Bernier and some picks? I’d take that scenario in a heartbeat.
I would want more than just Bernier. Prospect goalies, even though great to have, don’t carry much weight in trade value.
He’s not just a prospect goalie – he’s THE prospect goalie. Everyone and their brother has him slated to be a top NHL goalie in a couple years, and figures he’s starting quality already. Imagine – the Flyers without a goalie controversy for 5 years or more …
And the salary dump allows you to sign Hamhuis and possibly a FA right wing. The picks may not be so important this year, but they never hurt.
Still, unless he is THE proven NHL All Star goalie, he doesn’t carry that much weight typically in trade value. I’m not giving up Carter for Bernier and some picks. I love Bernier, and I like like Quick a ton, but you have to take your enamored feelings out of the deal. Carter is worth more than a prospect goalie and some picks.
Nabokov will come more expensive than that.
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by red army line on Jun 25, 2010 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember when I said Backlund/Leighton is not ideal?
Well, that tandem would look like Richter/Vanbiesbrouck compared to whatever the hell the tandem would be if Thomas were brought in here.
During Thomas’ Vezina-winning season, the Bruins had the best team defense in the league. If Holmgren is seriously considering getting him, he must be very confident that he can sign Hamhuis and Coburn.
The Flyers would have to move salary to get Thomas, so it would have to be a Carter, Briere, Gagne, or Hartnell going the other way. The younger guys – while coveted – do not make enough money so that the Flyers would break even on this deal.
Dear Homer:
Thank you for standing pat at the trade deadline. By doing so, you didn’t get rid of our highly-touted young prospects for rental players, and you allowed our team of playoff performers to, well, perform. As a result, the playoffs were great – two wins short of being perfect, in fact.
That said, the playoffs showed that the team needed defensive depth and reliable goaltending. So you started to address this in acquiring the rights to Dan Hamhuis and stating that your plan was to sign both him and Coburn. Apparently, you have continued to address the team’s needs by inquiring about the services of Michael Leighton (your goalie who faltered in the Finals) and Tim Thomas, the One-Year-Wonder.
I know I’m not a big-time hockey executive, but please allow me to point out two flaws with your plan:
1. You haven’t come anywhere close to signing Hamhuis yet. I know you only got rid of Ryan Parent to get this guy, but unless Hammer is asking for an unreasonable sum of money, you should make every effort to sign him. Losing Parent is addition by subtraction, but you need to be sure you have a plan in place should Hamhuis sign elsewhere. Don’t be like Bob Clarke in 1988 – when the Flyers needed to get better and add more skilled players, he got rid of Brad McCrimmon and replaced him with a bag of pucks, essentially. IF HAMHUIS WALKS, YOU NEED A PLAN B FOR YOUR TOP-4 DEFENSEMEN. THAT’S ALL THERE IS TO IT.
2. Your options for giving the Flyers better goaltending are Michael Leighton and Tim Thomas. Any shaved ape will tell you that Michael Leighton will regress unto his mean next year. And… Tim Thomas? I’m just speechless. Not only is the guy not very good, he gets paid WAY too much and has an NTC. So you’d essentially have to move salary to get him – likely in the form of one of your other good players with an NTC or – heaven forbid – Jeff Carter. Do you realize how stupid this is? Unless you’re working on a deal which allows you to flip Thomas to another team for someone good, then you’ve gone completely sideways.
We desperately want the Flyers to win the Cup, as you do. Signing Hamhuis would be a step in the right direction. Even if you do that, acquiring Thomas would be two steps backward. Your goaltending would be no better than it was before – if not worse – and you’d be less at least one talented player from your current roster.
Please consider these points before you make any decisions we all could regret immensely.
Sincerely,
mikefive
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by mikefive on Jun 25, 2010 12:56 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
#Flyers are reluctant to trade Carter and would have to be “knocked over” to deal him, source says. Team has no interest in Tim Thomas.
That from Carchidi. I know many of us have some issues with Carchidi, but when he directly quotes a source you have to believe he’s not making it up. So I think it’s fair to say at this point that no one outside the organization has any clue what the Flyers’ real plans are.
by Ben Feldman on Jun 25, 2010 1:40 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
So I think it’s fair to say at this point that no one outside the organization has any clue what the Flyers’ real plans are.
Rec’d for being grippy / Lincolnish.
Someone call Jim Gardner, we’ve got a developing story. This just in: Flyers are keeping their plans close to their chest.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 25, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I have from very optimistic four days ago to scared out of my mind regarding this offseason. I wanna trust Holmgren but the fact Tim Thomas is in anyway connected to the Flyers plans, even if they are just talking with him, is extremely disconcerting. Acquiring him would immediately shrink this teams 3 or 4 door window to win a cup down to zero.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 25, 2010 2:00 AM EDT reply actions
I believe this is a plan to poison our summers and give us anxiety riddled weekends.
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by Mike B on D on Jun 25, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
If we get Thomas I will cry...
…and those are not good tears either. Please Homer, don’t make one of your bonehead moves again.
I don’t want Thomas! Moving Hartnell (while I am not opposed in other deals) doesn’t fix the too many C’s, need another scoring wing issues. If Briere would waive his NTC that would fix part of those issues, but they would be stuck with Thomas.
I don’t agree that JVR is untouchable either, this is twice that there are rumors that the brass isn’t happy with him.
With the cap bump, I still say the best move is Carter for Iginla, solves both teams issues. Put him with Giroux & JVR. He adds leadership on that young line, plays good both ways and maybe JVR will stop squeezing the stick so tightly and bury a few more and how many better wingers for JVR to refine his game while playing with.
by McCrimmonMellanbyBrind'AmourUmburger on Jun 25, 2010 8:13 AM EDT reply actions
Where have you heard that the organization isn’t happy with him now?
I know there were rumors saying as much when he chose to stay at college instead of coming up to the AHL. But I haven’t heard anything about the organization being unhappy with him now. It would seem slightly unfair. He had an amazing start to the season, showing some of his potential, but just hit a wall. It would be a big mistake to trade JVR at this stage of his career imo.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 25, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed there. The JVR hate is unwarranted.. cue Mario D land. JVR is a kid, and had a much better than average rookie campaign. He ended up playing not only a full NHL season, but also all rounds of the playoffs….probably 5X more hockey than he was used to playing. The kid burnt out….it was obvious.
Getting Iginla would be cherry, but I really don’t see how that’s going to happen.
JVR played more games in 09-10 than he did the previous two years combined.
If he isn’t in the gym right now, I’ll be disappointed. Well, maybe he deserves this week off, but next week…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 25, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=28822
“The other day on the Sports Final program, Howard Eskin reported that the Flyers are unhappy with James Van Riemsdyk and that he is a player who could be used as trade bait this summer. While I doubt that JVR will be moved at this stage of his career, Eskin’s report is not the first indication that the organization is concerned about whether the second overall pick of the 2007 NHL Entry Draft is going to be able to fulfill his potential in orange and black.
It is not a question of physical ability. Although he can still stand to add muscle, when he applies himself, Van Riemsdyk’s skill level jumps out at you. There were several games this season where he was one of the best players on the ice for either team.
It’s certainly not a matter of statistics, either. For a 20-year-old rookie skating primarily on the third line, his 15 regular season goals and 35 points (plus 3 playoff goals and 3 playoff assists) were acceptable production.
Instead, it’s a question over JVR’s internal drive and competitiveness. Earlier this season, sources within the Flyers organization said that JVR was not the kind of player “who will go through a wall for you” to win, while an NHL scout who regularly attends games in Philly said of JVR that “he’s a skilled kid but he’s real soft, and you can’t teach heart.”
Personally, I think it’s asinine to label a player when he’s so young. The Flyers started to question JVR’s desire two years ago when he opted for a second collegiate season over a pro season in the AHL. That immediately put him behind the eight ball, and JVR didn’t do much his second college season or during his end-of-season stint with the Phantoms to show that he belonged in the NHL.
Last summer, however, JVR put in a lot of hard work and earned a spot in the NHL on his own merits after an eye-popping rookie camp and excellent preseason. He carried it over early in the regular season but then hit a wall in November. After a brief resurgence before the Olympics, he disappeared for much of the remainder of the season. Van Riemsdyk dressed for most of the playoffs but ended up a healthy scratch for two games in the Stanley Cup Final. When he returned, he had a couple solid games and got back onto the scoresheet.
During his struggles, there was apparently a belief that Van Riemsdyk was not as committed as he should have been to doing the little things on the ice that it takes to work through a slump. Rather than simplifying his game and trying to help out in other areas, he tried to be strictly a finesse player and made little to no impact on games.
That’s how it usually goes with rookies. They are used to dominating at lower levels and need to learn to adjust their games to the rigors of the NHL. In addition, the grueling NHL schedule is an eye-opener in and of itself. The Flyers’ brass is savvy enough to realize that.
Van Riemdsyk is an earnest, friendly and laid back young man off the ice. He may not wear his competitiveness on his sleeve, but it’s a mistake to assume that it’s not there because he doesn’t show outward signs of intensity on or off the ice. Frankly, I think he’s come a long way since this time last year and if he progresses at a similar rate over the next few years, he’s going to be a fine NHL player.
With the Flyers lacking prospects in the system and JVR and Claude Giroux being the best young NHLers in the organization, I don’t think the club is a position to further deplete its depth by moving JVR as part of a deal to improve either the defense or goaltender. Keep in mind that skilled players on rookie contracts are at a premium in the NHL’s salary cap age. While Van Riemsdyk isn’t entirely untouchable, I’d be very surprised if he’s anywhere but Philadelphia over the next couple seasons."
by McCrimmonMellanbyBrind'AmourUmburger on Jun 25, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Eskin and Hockey in the same sentence?
He’s such a hater of the sport It’s hard to believe he mentioned it at all. Not sure I would listen to anything he said about hockey. No, in fact I tell people to ignore him in general. Pompous ass.
He’s seen enough examples of heart in the post season that some may just rub off. you can’t teach it, but you can give enough examples of it that it sticks after a while. On some people anyway. He’s still young and developing. I think we’ll see what happens in preason with him to see how he’s developing.
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I don’t know, but when JVR carried us for the first half of Game 7 against the Bruins, I thought that was heart. When JVR managed to train hard in the offseason and make the team out of training camp, I thought that was heart. People see heart in different ways. But lack of heart in a 21 year old is an awful reason to trade him.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 25, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Mason
Better in net than all choices listed, other than Vokoun. I’d really like to see a play made for him.
If there’s no way to get Vokoun, that is.
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