Friday Morning Fly By: Rumors. Rumors Galore!
by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 25, 2010 10:42 AM EDT
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Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...
- Hey, goalies are atop the Flyers wish list at the draft: [Daily News]
- But not much is happening yet: [CSNPhilly]
- Some interesting quotes from player agents regarding the Flyers trade prospects: [DelcoTimes]
- Including Michael Leighton's agent: [CSNPhilly]
- What could Craig Ramsay's hiring do for Atlanta: [From the Rink]
- Patrick Marleau and Joe Pavelski re-sign with the Sharks: [Puck Daddy]
- Who's the better deal? [Behind The Net]
- The NHL Board of Governors approved the new head shot rule: [CSNPhilly]
- Lastly, a new way to look at goalies: Goals against per 30 shots. Interesting. [Brodeur is a Fraud]
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damn, Leighton is getting resigned.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 25, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Sarah, 5 million is something to worry about!!!
Leighton might not be a bad option for 3/4 of a season.
The Quick or Bernier contest will be over,
If Stevens becomes an Assistant Coach in LA, Hartnell flourished under his relaxed attitude, and would love LA
Or any of the goalies that are heading into UFA will have owners that are motivated to SELL!
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 25, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I am not calm at all, this is a horrible use of money in every way to me. There is wayyyyy too much money wrapped up in 1-5. Does anyone from the D get moved? If the only untouchables are Richards and Carter, who in the top 4 defensemen might be traded? I am really not happy about this. Coburn + Michalek is a much better value for the $, and you don’t have to worry about potentially moving any of your 1-5 to make room for a goalie or scoring winger.
I read somewhere (from the rink, i think?) that maybe we move Timo?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 25, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I refuse to consider this statement as a possibility
/cold sweat starting….
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 25, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I was gonna write that down…I can see that happening. There is not room for Hammer, Timo, and Carle…one of them has to leave.
If Timo goes, I will forever hate Homer for this Hamhuis signing.
It’s rumored that he’s retiring after this contract anyway, so Homer may be thinking of exchanging 3 more seasons of Kimmo for 5 seasons of Hamhuis.
For the record I would not be happy with this either.
I’d rather sign Hamhuis for $5MM, then trade him to the Ducks for Sbisa or our 29th pick back.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 25, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I just think $5mil is way too much for Hamhuis, just think they are walking in to an overpriced contract. If then end up at $4.5 I can at least tolerate it.
Logically it would make sense to trade Kimmo. His body has been taking a lot of abuse here, he has lost a half step, so it makes sense. But I love him, he has been my favorite dman for a while now (back when he was with Nashville). I’d just hate to see him go.
how does Hamhuis compare to Timo? I’ve never thought of that before actually.
I think trading either a signed Hamhuis or Timo to the Ducks might be a real option actually.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 25, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Well Kimmo plays tougher comp with worse partners. Hamhuis seems to bolster the offense, and hurt the defense, where as Kimmo bolsters the D, hurst the O. Which seems a little counter intuitive, at least to what I expected. Stats wise, if you get rid of Kimmo this is probably a win long term, I just don’t like losing Kimmo b/c I love the guy.
But I have to say, if they get rid of Kimmo and replace him with Hammer, it’s not the worse move. I just rather keep Kimmo, and do the whole Coburn and Michalek thing.
Well I imagine the Coburn and Michalek thing could still happen, it seems it might just come down to which guys Hammer/Timo is still here.
A swap of the two, if Hammer gets $5MM, is a savings of 1.2MM against the cap.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 25, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
which of course means they probably won’t.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 25, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
And if they do get rid of 1 of their top 4, the Hamhuis deal has done nothing to sure up the 5th defenseman’s spot on the roster.
it gives them 1.2MM of cap space.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 25, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Mind you it could be $3.5 or $4 with bonuses.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 25, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Without Kimmo, Progner will age faster than a Grate Dane. 2, or 3 seasons without the fantastic Finn would cause so much wear and tear on Progner that his contract will be a huge problem for us.
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 25, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Hamhuis would eat Kimmo’s minutes, Hamhuis played the 2nd toughest minutes of the Nashville D, he can handle that work load. I don’t see this being a problem. Actually I’d be more worried about over using Pronger going forward with Kimmo, he has take a lot of punishment in the playoff runs.
My bigger concern is Kimmo does a great job of handling an inexperience D partner, he usually plays with crap linemates, and handles it very well. I don’t get to see a lot of Hamhuis, so I’m not sure if he could actually handle that part of the job. However, if they let Kimmo go, keep Coburn, and grab Michalek, they wouldn’t have to worry about that situation.
Signing Hamhuis and moving Kimmo doesn’t make the team any better Kimmo > Hamhuis and his contract is of good value. Hamhuis can’t play the PP for one nor is he has good as a D-Man in general.
I’m projecting him forward past this year Chris…once again that abstract thing called the future that you never want to look at.
Go easy on him. There’s a lot to be said for living only in the moment.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 25, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay I wil see you at the 3rd place parade next summer or even better the best winning pct of the decade parade come 2020.
Really?
You really think there isn’t a way to build a Cup winner without being in cap hell. With how much luck is involved in the course of a season and playoffs, you stand as good of a chance of being in cap hell and having nothing to show for it as you do of winning the cup. Look I want the cup, but I know there are ways to do it without limiting yourself for the future.
I’m all for spending close to the cap — afterall, the Flyers are lucky enough to be able to spend as much as they want (not many teams can do that). But if you don’t leave yourself any space during the year, you can’t improve your team any because you can’t take on any salary. Then after the season you start to lose your younger players because you can’t afford to give them raises.
by memphisbrando on Jun 25, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, you missed my point...again
My point of projecting in to the future is, as we move forward, Hamhuis’s play should continue to improve, while Timonen will likely decline. So as we move forward the value of Hamhuis contract will rise and the value of Kimmo’s will diminish making Hamhuis a more valuable asset (most likely of course, again it’s this projecting forward thing, I know craziness).
plus immediately we’d be saving $1.2MM in cap dollars which could mean our 5 and 6th d-men are $1.5MM – $2MM caliber guys instead of sub-$1MM guys that, well, are terrible.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 25, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Hamhuis might have the ability, but Progner is a grizzly veteran who trusts Kimmos abilities.
I think Progners head would not allow him to trust a younger kid to take up some of “his” responsibilities.
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 25, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I used to be a counselor for a few professional athletes.
Its an old habit for me to take their personalities into account
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 25, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I would not be happy if Kimmo is moved. Luckily he has a NTC so it makes it harder for him to move, but I love having him here. He’s an amazing player, underrated, and is a reason why our D is great, I do not want Hamhuis over Timonen ever!
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jun 25, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
•Lastly, a new way to look at goalies: Goals against per 30 shots. Interesting.
Better if it was per quality shots instead of all shots.
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The problem is that people don’t know what quality shots are and so few teams count “scoring chances”.
It’s a “data available” problem.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 25, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
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It’s just too bad that a good forechecking team that forces a lot of long shoot-ins will consistently skew this metric. In time, though, it will be much more valuable.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 25, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, it’s attempting to adjust GAA for teams who 1) Are constantly on the PK; 2) Really bad at the PK; 3) Give up a lot of shots; and 4) Are really bad defensively.
It’s really only adjusting GAA, which isn’t a very good metric anyway. Is this better? Probably. Is it better in a significant way? Probably not.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 25, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Once it does get to being based on quality I think it will be much more valuable. I can see all teams going that way. The Cap is forcing a lot more attention to be focused on tools for evaluating talent both for player aquisition and contract negotiations.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 25, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I would like to see Nitty’s numbers in that formula. He played with worse D in Tampa than he did in Philly which is hard to imagine. He didn’t get a fair shake and would be cheaper than the other older guys. I think he can’t go every game, which gives Backlund an opening. I would platoon them like the Phils used to do with Daulton & Pratt. Let him start every 3rd game.
by McCrimmonMellanbyBrind'AmourUmburger on Jun 25, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
•The NHL Board of Governors approved the new head shot rule:
So what would this be under the proposed rule?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16Z7-XRPcrw
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Nothing
Because no one outside of Philly wants to admit Stevens used his elbow.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
Actually TopShelf the NHL was so kind to use the Stevens on Lindros hit as an example of a CLEAN HIT in the official video explaining the mid season rule change.
Here you go this made my head explode much like Steven’s elbow did for Big E.
by chrislanci on Jun 25, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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Nice catch. I wondered if anyone would.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 25, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The recommendation is to stay with the program, endure the Canadian bobbleheads doing all the talking and wait to see what might happen, because what might happen with the Flyers could be big.
I like AJS a lot but I’m not waiting til the draft. Twitter and BSH are where it’s at.
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I totally agree with you, its just the Evil bobbleheads might give me a heart attack before lunch!
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 25, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Heart attacks are good for you. They remind you that while hockey is the most important thing in your life your health should rate somewhere in your top 30 or so. Well after your car, anyway.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 25, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Tim Thomas
Eklund is saying Tim Thomas has to be our man in the net, so this must mean that Homer will sign Leighton today as the starter…
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 25, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
How about Acorns?
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 25, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s always someone who pushes the envelop. Always.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 25, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
All I’m reading is the headline and can someone explain why a 36-year old goalie is anything but “patchwork”?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 25, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
eklund is an idiot…“best goalie in the NHL for last 3 years”? Are you f’ing kidding me?
i think i just threw up a little in my mouth at the thought of Thomas being “our guy”
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 25, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Eklund has gone full-tard
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 25, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
If you’re going to insist on reading him you’re going to need a stronger stomach man.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 25, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather see Homer flip Hamhuis’ rights to Vancouver for Cory Schneider than have him sign for $5 million. That’s too much unless Carter, Hartnell, Carle or Coburn is going somewhere.
16 million for 4 years was the deal going in an extra 500K cap hit shouldn’t be back breaking, Come on now.
I feel like you lose touch on how valuable 500K is when you need to make roster moves and you’re pushed up against the cap.
This is why I constantly harp on questioning why Cote is on our team!
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 25, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s an extra $1 million cap hit, no? ($4 million → $5 million) Remember the players the Flyers will have to re-sign next year (Gagne, Leino are UFAs, Giroux and Carter are RFAs)… having $5 million less with which to do it is no fun.
by Ben Feldman on Jun 25, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Once again I will worry about next year next year, too much can happen between now and then. That is a lot of money on the D I understand but that fills a major hole in the lineup in a major way.
Sorry about the math I meant 18 million over 4 years.
But the Flyers don’t need to go all-in. They don’t need to mortgage long-term success to hope for short-term success. In a salary cap world, you can’t ignore the future and whose contracts are up when if you want to remain consistently successful.
by Ben Feldman on Jun 25, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Chris never worries about the future until it’s the present, no sense trying to convince him otherwise.
I think that’s why Mario accused him of being Holmgren once. haha.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 25, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
For the record I am right about stuff way more than MarioD probably why he won’t come around anymore I have a list of I told you so’s waiting for him.
the problem is that much of what mariod has said, might have lead to the Flyers actually winning the cup, starting with the guy they were forced to play in net.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 25, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
An argument for a different day for sure….
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 25, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Because this is not the NBA you can move contracts like CHI did. Everyone said that was great moves you can dump salary when you HAVE to HAVE being the key word. Right now we don’t HAVE to dump salary and even when you absolutely HAVE and other teams got you by the balls you can. What if the Cap goes up 2.5 million next and Gagne god forbid has another concussion. Then you can look back and say boy I wish we had Hamhuis because Gagne is re-signed real cheap and the cap is at 62 million.
Signing Hamhuis for 5 years a move for the future if you want to look at in that light he is a 25 year old budding D-Man who can replace our top guys when they move on.
27, I believe, but carry on.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 25, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
“What if…” = speculating on the future.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 25, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I was pointing out that contrary to some posts you don’t live entirely in the present (not that there’s anything wrong with that). But I’m missing what you’re pointing out.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 25, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I got ya on that one, I was going to say well played. Chris will think in to the future if it involves players becoming cheaper, but never for the possibility of the Flyers being in cap hell. And his theme has been Chicago and players taking pay cuts next year.
Nice double play. Props.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 25, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Playing it safe will never get you anywhere. Yeah we have money and cap space yet if a top 4 D-Man goes down we are doomed. Or if one of centers goes down and Carter was traded Jared Ross would our 2nd line guy. But we cap room.
You are missing the point, there are ways to build a championship team without putting yourself against the cap. You don’t ever want to see this as an option…you just want to yell from the mountain tops: “Chicago, Chicago, Chicago”
There is a difference between putting all your eggs in one basket for this year, playing to win now while planning for the future at the same time, and to “play it safe” in your extreme scenario.
If you want to only look at things one way and use childish extremes to prove your point, that’s fine, but I like to think about all the possibilities.
And what if they Detroit themselves and have to give up a player like Leino for nothing b/c they no he won’t clear waivers when a player gets healthy and comes back in to the lineup. Remember the whole Upshall thing too. There are reasons to allow for wiggle room. It’s not all about this year, b/c like you say, anything can happen, and I don’t want to mortgage my future on something that a bounce can ruin.
Upshall was going to be in Pheonix this year anyway he wasn’t getting a contract in the summer. Stop with Upshall. He was walking or getting traded anyway.
And Hamhuis is the 1st signing with 10.8 million to work with you don’t now where we will be at in terms of wiggle room until everything is said and done.
1) 1st time I have ever brought him up, but it was still a cap move, point stands
2) You don’t address Detroit
3) You are right, I’m projecting forward, but I think we all understand team needs, and salaries well enough that a $5mil/per contract isn’t exactly a great fit in our cap space moving forward.
Look, that’s fine, you don’t care about the cap, you don’t care about the future. But since you don’t you have to take the shots at you at why people think it’s silly not to consider those things.
You: Balls to the wall management
Most everyone else here: Think before they jump management
I am not saying sign Hamhuis for whatever he want but in the 3.5 – 4.5 range if ends up 5 million I am not Joe Banner and going to say no fuck you I don’t care how much better my team will be with you I will not budge for what I am slotted at the position.
And my whole thing is to take the info that was provided with the twitter post, b/c that’s all I have right now, and I projected forward possibilities in my head. B/c I know what the Cap is, I know what our players salaries are, and I know what needs I’d like to see the Flyers address still to build a team I think would be best suited to make a run at the cup.
While also making sure we have room to manage in season problems if they arise. And keep our prospects we develop.
I understand what you are saying and usually agree with you so don’t get me wrong you I don’t mean to come like MarioD and sound like I am calling you an idiot.
But in my opinion.
1) The Pronger deal defined our window for the next 3 years.
That was an extremely aggressive move in terms of cap space and draft picks we pretty much gave away a lot of our future there. And that move should define what we do from here on out and most continue to stay aggressive to maximum the Pronger’s success. I don’t want to look back on that like with do with the Lindros move and say we never surrounded Pronger with enough talent to get it all done.
2) We don’t have the trade pieces to make moves at the deadline without moving more important pieces of our future in Giroux and JVR. So the cap room to make deadline moves in my opinion is irrelevant.
We also aren’t going to need to make many moves with those 5 D-Men and our forward grouping unless there is a serious injury and then we will have cap room with the LTIR rules. We had room this deadline no Emery on the cap and still couldn’t pull anything off because we don’t have assets.
1) I get what you are saying with Pronger. I’m not saying don’t use the funds. I’m saying being responsible as to how you spend the funds. For instance, no need to wrap up $4.5-$5mil on Hamhuis, b/c I think having Coburn at 4, plus a FA dman like Michalek is a better solution. The money saved there with Michalek instead of Hamhuis that they can then use to upgrade their winger or goalie situation. I feel that Michalek + Scoring depth or upgrade at goalie equates to more wins than Hamhuis alone. That’s my point there.
2) I’m more concerned about the waiver wire and having to create cap space to bring players back from inury than I am about a deadline day trade. No matter how they spend the money, I want some space, and this is where those 500K differences matter to me, that’s it.
Basically my main grievances, besides the whole looking ahead thing (which the window is 3 years, not just 1, but I digress), are that I feel there are better ways to distribute the funds that we can spend, and that I don’t think you fully comprehend the value of 500K, especially when you look at it per year, to the Cap.
They did really well with the waiver wire this year, but if they had the cap space to add Miller or Christensen when they were available the added depth could have made them fresher or deeper in games 5 & 6
by McCrimmonMellanbyBrind'AmourUmburger on Jun 25, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
don’t you think Hamhuis is more valuable to Vancouver if he’s already signed?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 25, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
The Vancouver people who have been on BSH over the past few days have said there are reports or whatever that Hamhuis would take a hometown discount to sign in Vancouver, so I don’t know there.
by Ben Feldman on Jun 25, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I still think if we sign the guy for $5MM, the contract is still good enough to flip.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 25, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that is generally a big no-no, you don’t sign a guy then immediately trade him (are there any examples of this happening). I think it’s gotta be his rights, b/c if he signs, he is here, you can’t flip him like a house.
I have no idea, but maybe we let vancouver negotiate his contract pre-trade like nashville did that for us with timo and hartnell.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 25, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
#1 is great but 2 thru 4 ain't too shabby either
Nine of the top 15 scorers this year were former Top 2 draft picks. 12 of 15 were drafted in the Top 4.
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 25, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
a very odd reply fail….
sorry dont know how this ended up here
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 25, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
No worries, made the brain work. Always a good thing.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 25, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Has anyone thought that Homer’s not all that concerned with signing Hamhuis? If he loses him through free agency, the Flyers get a 7th round pick from Nashville and I think they also get a sandwich pick somewhere else in next year’s draft if I’m not mistaken. That’s not a terrible haul for trading Parent away, you know.
It’s true. I think we’d all be content if the deal was just Parent for a seventh round pick (though getting Hamhuis’ rights and signing him to a reasonable deal would make us happier).
by Ben Feldman on Jun 25, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
we'd all be content
On BSH? Well, there’s a 1st time for everything, I guess.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 25, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Nothing like a close encounter with disaster to change your perspective
……….and as long as we dont trade for Thomas we end the day as winners without doing a single thing!
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 25, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather have Parent then a 7th rounder, but I feel like I’m one of the few Parent fans around here.
I agree, especially since he has been nursing the back issue. Would be nice to see how he comes out of camp.
by McCrimmonMellanbyBrind'AmourUmburger on Jun 25, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Parent had two things going against him:
1. Injuries
2. He never seemed to catch on to Lavvy’s system.
I have my doubts he would’ve been tendered an offer, but in the right system, he’s a pretty good addition. Anyone who thinks he can’t play should remember the effort he gave in the ’08 playoffs.
by memphisbrando on Jun 25, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you guys interested in an open thread for the Draft tonight? After all, if a trade happens, it’s probably today.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 25, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, well she came to the SB Nation happy hour, she still wants to play in the hockey game on Sunday even though she is hurt, she’ll watch the draft with me…so it’s not like it’s terrible, actually it’s fairly awesome. Now if I’m a big enough jerk to also focus my attention on a computer screen while the draft is on…that’s the real question.
That is one amazing gf. She’d be proud of a guy who could multi-task like that, no? Bet she would. Then a late dinner and drinks.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 25, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Trust me. Been there, done that. Dress up, make it memorable.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 25, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure.
Can discuss everything in one place.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 25, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
That sounds like a level-headed approach.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 25, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Have people had enough of self-induced coronaries today?
I understand why they have been happening – some of the rumors flying around have been absolutely atrocious scenarios. BUT, none of them have been substantiated. I know that caring about a team means you want what best for the team at all times, but, my goodness, people are acting like the awful potential plans are rock-hard facts already.
Send positive thoughts to Homer and his compatriots on the West Coast, and hope that he pulls off the magic he has over the past couple of years. He’s done pretty well recently.
If he actually makes a boneheaded move, I’ll join you in condemning it. Until then, let’s keep our spirits up, eh?
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 25, 2010 12:52 PM EDT reply actions
I agree some may be having fun, but it looks like a lot are pissing themselves over worst-case scenarios that aren’t even likely to happen (e.g., Kimmo being moved – that is simply NOT happening).
So, if it’s all in fun – carry on. But, it seems like people are giving themselves ulcers over some of the potential moves, even the most unlikely ones.
If an idiotic move is made, I’ll be among the first to complain about it. The front office hasn’t made any yet. Let’s hope that continues.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 25, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh, I disagree, outside the NTC, I think that move could make sense even though I’d hate it. I’m not saying it will happen, just that I could see the logic there. It’ll be interesting to see if they sign Hamhuis, how much it will be for, b/c I think that dictates the rest of their moves going forward.
I don’t think people screaming about Kimmo is them giving themselves ulcers as much as it is them just loving Kimmo. I think everyone here is big and ugly enough to take care of themselves and keep their pillaging to a minimum over things that are clearly just discussion on a blog thread.
There’s no situation that has been proposed with Hamhuis that makes me optimistic. So, for now, my blood pressure remains high
Such a mistake for 5 million.
He has modest stats for a second pair defenseman, and he wants top pair money?
Sheer lunacy
Preaching the Inglewood Jack
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 25, 2010 1:11 PM EDT reply actions
good of place as any
Will there be a draft thread on here to talk during the draft and the likes????
Philadelphia Flyers/Columbus Blue Jackets...don't ask me how.
If it was up to me, I'd free Charles Manson... -MRH
OK – I can’t see trading Timo. I understand it makes sense to do so in the longterm but I gotta think the Flyers figure they can win it all in the next 2 & I don’t think they can without Timo. If Hamhuis wants 5 mil then that tells me that he doesn’t want to play for Philly. Frankly, I don’t think he’s worth that – 4.25 mil max. I’d sooner go with Coburn and a reliable 5th (Michalek or Sutton). Since Boychuk signed for only 1.9mil/year or so than Coburn’s value had to go down.
Not to bring up Carter again but according to TSN Florida is shopping the 15th overall. Is it possible to trade Carter for Vokoun & the 15th overall? Just speculating of course.
Shaker
I agree with everything you said here about Kimmo and Hamhuis. I have a strong feeling if the $5mil was accurate it’s his price to play here as opposed to his wish to play on the west coast. I was just speculating scenarios if they did in fact do that deal for that amount. In my mind you’d have to move some salary off the D to make the other necessary moves still needed for this team.
I’m reading stuff that Ryan got his offer, which makes my dreams of a Ryan Carter deal fade away. But if they do trade Carter, I still want a winger in that deal. Else I’m happy forcing Carter to play the wing.
Odd for players to wish to play out West with that travel schedule isn’t seems like some BS made up by those Canucks. Nashville TENN is Western conference but it certainly not West Coast or Western Canada.
if it’s 5 million I’ll puke……twice.
Also forgot to mention I think Parent is better than a 7th rnder.
Shaker
It’ll be less than 5 mil, or Homer will let him walk.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 25, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
If we sign Michalek, do we put him on the second line with Kimmo or the third line with Bartulis/Krajicek/whoever we have lined up?
by Giroux-ling for Cheese on Jun 25, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
There are two ways to look at this: with or without Coburn. Without Coburn, then it’s easy – Kimmo and Michalek; with Coburn, Michalek would most probably play on the third line.
This is why I hope we get Hamhuis – with that scenario, I think you bounce Coburn (whom I do think we will re-sign) and Hamhuis between the second and third lines. If we get Hamhuis, the third line will play a lot more than normal third lines on other teams. One of the goals of getting another top-notch defender was to reduce the minutes of Pronger and Timonen during the regular season so that they could be fresher for the post-season.
It’ll be an interesting next couple of weeks…
#1 Flyers fan in England (originally from Southeastern PA)
by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 25, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel like if we get Michalek we’d have enough cap space to sign Coburn, which we’d want to do, and still fill our other missing spots. So if we do sign Michalek, we’ll probably get Coburn back, and I guess he’ll go on the third line like you said. Though he was on the second line with the Coyotes. Not sure if the thought of a third line position will deter him from coming here when other teams might be able to offer him a better spot.
I like the idea of having a third D line that plays more than a normal third D line. Plus that’ll give whoever our 6’th Dman (hopefully Bartulis) is more playing time with an experienced player.
by Giroux-ling for Cheese on Jun 25, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
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