What the hell is going on? Hamhuis news takes on every possible angle
by Travis Hughes on Jun 25, 2010 2:25 PM EDT
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Let's just look at a few Tweets from a few different people today, shall we? These are in chronological order.
Pierre McGuire says he's hearing Dan Hamhuis is closing in on a deal with the Flyers in the $5 mill/yr range.
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No truth to this. RT @CanucksEdge Pierre McGuire says he's hearing Hamhuis is closing in on a deal with the Flyers in the $5 mil/yr range.
Frank Seravalli
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Considering the Flyers 1st offer was a little more than $3 mil, it doesn't just skyrocket to $5 mil in 5 days. I'm told around $4 is right.Frank Seravalli
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I think it's likely to sign Hamhuis around $4 & still have enough ($3m) for Coburn and a goalie. I dont see any way Flyers dont sign Hammer.Frank Seravalli
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Dan Hamhuis is not at all close on contract talks with PHI and at this point, all signs point to him going to UFA.
Bob McKenzie
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What the hell is going on here? This story isn't done, and now other people are saying the Flyers are looking to trade Hamhuis' rights to Vancouver. Meanwhile, Seravalli has a source saying the Flyers aren't looking to move Hamhuis' rights. This is a mess.
Honestly, if you want a baseless opinion from me on this, the Vancouver media and their fans have been all over Hamhuis because he's a local boy. That should be taken into consideration -- they want this guy, and they have reasons to start rumors because of that fact. Again, that's just an uninformed opinion from me, but it's something I've noticed ever since the Flyers traded for the guy last weekend.
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Also just saw one saying “Starting to hear whispers the Flyers may trade his neg rights to Canucks. Checking.”
…and Seravalli responds to Dreger by saying they’re not considering trading his rights, and want him signed.
Can we get Willie Mitchell in return, or maybe Alex Edler?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
The rights to Hamhuis and Boucher to Vancouver for Willie Mitchell and Corey Schneider.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Yeah, but then we’re into the same mess with having to sign Willie Mitchell. Plus I’d be concerned with his post-concussion situation.
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I predict that Dan Hamhuis will be playing NHL hockey somewhere next season.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Watch him bolt for the KHL after you said that lol.
But you’re right he’ll be playing somewhere. I don’t know what to make of all of this… if it’s more than 4M I say deal his rights.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jun 25, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
You know, I’m almost glad I have Phillies tickets for tonight. These Hamhuis and goalie situations are really starting to get ridiculous.
really, i love all this.
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
Generally love it. But what Homer does or doesn’t do over the next few days has such an impact on the next few years — much bigger than the last few years.
ehh, I look at it like clark. He made different moves all the time, good or bad, but we always seemed to be in the hunt for years.
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
Only way Tim Thomas to PHI makes sense is if S Gagne goes other way. Could see that happening. Not necessarily today tho. Maybe not at all
Glad to hear Tim Thomas isn’t coming here anytime soon. Do these people know Gagne has a NTC?
Just heard from the Canucks regarding the Hamhuis rumour. “Bad scoop,” said a front-office member.
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Maybe bad scoop is the Canadian version of rotten egg, referring to Hamhuis and his unwillingness to sign for his true value.
As in, “oh that rumor of Hamhuis wanting $5mil, that guy is just a bad scoop, he doesn’t want to play out East and won’t recognize his true value”
Dumb joke I know, but meh, it’s a slow Friday at the office.
We're in Twitter purgatory
I just posted the above subject line in the other thread, and now we have multiple Twitter shots on the home page to help prove my point. Think about how “Tweets” occur…in fact the information from later Tweets could be older in terms of research, contacts, data.
This is all driven by 140 characters and instant media. All not relevant potentially. But these reporters are all in competition with each other to thrill, uh, us.
And now, as I am posting this, Travis posts “bad scoop”. Uh-huh.
A few days ago I proposed that Homer was putting us in a disinformation/fog of war game. Welcome to it. (So, conspiracy theorist alert, maybe this is all driven by Homer? :-))
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
I’m not concerned that the Flyers will pay him $5mil, because even they know that’s a huge overpayment. My concern is that they will bargain him down to $4mil+change, and sign him then, because that’s still an overpayment
And doesn’t it seem pretty clear at this point the guy doesn’t want to play here? Or is just in it for the money?
Wait, there's more! If you call in the next 20 minutes -- 'cause ya know we can't do this all day...
While Hamhuis’s neg rights could be traded again pre-July 1, I have reason to believe it will NOT be to VAN. Not saying VAN has no interest
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McKenzie stirring the purgatory fires
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
But I’ve been thinking of SC Vince for ages…
There.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 25, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
That guy’s face is not right. Like if Tom Waits married a frog they would have that guy as a son.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
And he could write and sing his own commercial jingles but they couldn’t use them on air.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 25, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The TSN guys make up all kinds of rumors as does Eklund to keep people reading their sites and tweets!
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 26, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless the Flyers show Hamhuis a shitload of money he won’t sign there. He wants to play in the West. This is just all time-wasting by Dan’s side with his agent.
Oh, you’re just part of the conspiracy trying to get him to Vancouver. ;)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 25, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
puts on my tin foil hat…
really? you don’t say.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 25, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m going to take your bait for the moment and ask you a hypothetical question.
Suppose what you say is true. Say Hammer tells Homer that he wants to play “out West.” If Homer offers Hammer to Mike Gillis, what does Gillis offer in return?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Pardon me good sirs
But the Vancouver mainstream media is comprised of some of the most professional and dedicated…
…I couldn’t even finish that. Never mind.
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…rumor-mongers? Would that finish it? ;)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 25, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah…if that was their only problem, what a world it would be.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 25, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL! :)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 25, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
are you kidding me
$5 million a year for a third pair d man!!!!hamhius is not worth half as much as coburn… he won’t hit and he’s not that great a skater… trade his rights ASAP… never… never … never let anyone put a gun to your head… let him play for some 2nd tier team where he belongs…
by Elmo the faithful fan on Jun 25, 2010 4:31 PM EDT reply actions
$5MM for a d-man
If we’re going to offer any d-man $5MM, I say take a run at Paul Martin. You get a guy who is 29, he’s a true #1 and signing him would destroy NJ’s blue line.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 25, 2010 4:36 PM EDT reply actions
Hmmm...
…that would be a good acqusition.
And, it would drive Puck Daddy crazy. :) I wonder how he would spin that on his site?
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 25, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
But we don’t really need another offensive defenseman. A shot blocker like Volchenkov would be great though.
by Giroux-ling for Cheese on Jun 25, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure in what world Paul Martin is an “offensive defenseman”, but ok. The implications of having Paul Martin would be most excellent, problem is that he’s probably more in the $6MM range, than the $5MM range.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 25, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
1) That name makes you, instantly, my favorite new user.
2) Not sure I agree about Paul Martin, but we can pay Volchenkov less to anchor the third pairing, and he’ll do it with complete awesome.
Volchenkov is going to be one of the most sought after FA defensemen come July 1st. He’ll easily make north of $5 million.
If we’re unwilling to use $5 million on Hamhuis, we’re probably going to be unwilling to throw that much, or more, at Volchenkov.
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by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Jun 25, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe. That does nothing to suppress my hard-on for him.
My sneaking suspicion is that Volchenkov will settle for a lower number for more years.
Hey, you’re not the only one in here that has fantasized about a blueline being manned by Pronger and Volchenkov. Typically I wake up from those dreams in a cold-sweat cursing at the salary cap.
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by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Jun 25, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Your user names is full of win. That is all.
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by kmblue on Jun 25, 2010 6:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If we are not going to sign Hammer why give up Parent. Yes we would get a 7th rounder But what are the chances of a 7th rd pick making an even moderate impact. The wild are interested in Carter and have the 9th pick. Also since the draft went from 9 to 7 rounds in 2005 we have picked 7 goalies and 0 nhl games played between them. Bernier would be a thought, not sure on the asking price. Just random thoughts
and the 7th rounder we get will be awesome playing in the ECHL? Take look at our last 3 yrs 7th rd picks Lauridsen, Eriksson, and Phillips
by Crosby sucks on Jun 25, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
And look at what you can get if you draft right: Joacim Eriksson
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 25, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I would rather we just trade our 7th to the Red Wings for 'future considerations'
They draft for us.
Then we get them to trade back whoever they drafted to us. Hopefully they were nice and didn’t pick someone dud. It must be fun to be able to pick out Datsyuk’s and Zetterberg’s in the later rounds.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 25, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok. Something must be wrong here. Why would the 5 mil figure be floating around this guys name. 2 seasons he was -4. He’s 25 point man… I don’t get it….I’m sure he and his agent know that NOBODY will pay that kinda of cash for em. 2.5 mil maybe….I’m sure something will be worked out and we will all breathe a sigh of relief. For 5 mil we could get 2 3rd line D men.
Send Pronger to go talk to him and his agent. He will see the light.
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Sigm Coburn and Hamhuis. Keep Carter. You name a Free Agent goalie in the world that would not beg to play behind that defense! The price keeps going down!
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If Hamhuis wants more than $4, I let him walk. Coburn is going to be a more than capable second pair with Kimmo and will hopefully develop into a Pronger-lite.
There are lots of capable 3rd pair UFAs that should come a lot cheaper.
Leopold, Michalek, Morris, Tallinder, Lydman, Foster. I’d be ok with any of those guys with the Wolf
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Michalek and Foster would be my first two choices.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 25, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
According to Panaccio...
The hang up isn’t money or length. It’s where he’s playing, how many minutes, etc.
I think that’s more of an ego thing than anything, to be honest. He wants to be a top pairing D-man. Don’t blame him. But you’re not gonna crack the Pronger-Carle love fest. Ideally, he’s on the third pair, but he probably doesn’t want that either. He probably presumed one of two things:
Pairing with Pronger.
Pairing with Kimmo.
Both of those are likely not to happen, at least from what it seems…
I would pair him with Kimmo if he wants. Right now he’s probably better than Coburn, and Coburn can enjoy some weaker competition.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 25, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to repeat...this "ham" tastes like chicken"...
Everybody knows the image and reputation that the Flyers have. Players either embrace it or run from it. Joffrey Lupul knew it and embraced it ("I feel tougher already"), Danny Briere knew it when he took less money to become a Flyer rather than a Canadien…Dan Hamhuis ran from it. This "ham" tastes like chicken to me!
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