Dan Hamhuis' Rights Traded To Penguins For 2011 Third Round Pick
by Travis Hughes on Jun 25, 2010 11:10 PM EDT
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Paul Holmgren just broke the news to the media in Los Angeles: at the conclusion of the first round, they've traded the rights to defenseman Dan Hamhuis to the Pittsburgh Penguins for a third round pick in 2011.
Apparently, the news that the Flyers couldn't come to an agreement with Hamhuis were true. With a broad view, however, this means that Paul Holmgren just got a third round pick for Ryan Parent. That's a win. We don't believe the Flyers keep the seventh round pick from Nashville that they conditionally received in the original Hamhuis deal, but that's up in the air.
Either way, this is a win.
You have to wonder, though, why he'd be willing to risk having Hamhuis in the division, especially on the Flyers' biggest rival. Could it be true that Hamhuis really only wants to play in the West? Maybe Holmgren knows the Penguins are going to have a tough time signing Hamhuis? That, or he knows he'll suck up a ton of cap space. The Pens seem like a strange dancing partner otherwise.
Who knows. This looks bad on the surface, but it's really not. It's a pretty savvy move by a GM who essentially got something out of nothing. Oh, and Hamhuis has a weird last name.
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Not sure how to feel about this...
So how does this work now.. do we still get that conditional pick? Or did we just trade Parent for a 3rd rounder?
The Flyers should still get that conditional pick. The condition was the Flyers signing Hamhuis. Well, that sure looks like it’s not going to happen.
by Ben Feldman on Jun 25, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve confirmed with the Predators that because Philly traded away Hamhuis’ rights, they do not get the conditional pick.
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If we had received the Preds’ pick, we would’ve eventually traded that away, too, so nothing lost there.
by memphisbrando on Jun 26, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember when Ace Ventura had to wash his mouth out with a plunger after realizing that Einhorn was a man? That’s how I feel about trading to the Pens
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 25, 2010 11:16 PM EDT reply actions
Your gun is digging into my hip!?!? AAAAHHHHHHH!!!!
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by KreiderDesigns on Jun 25, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
L. O. L.
that is all.
But I do agree with you, sending the Pens someone good makes me feel like that. But I guess this means the Pens aren’t going to keep Gonchar? And we get a 3rd rounder and we should still get that 7th rounder from Nashville.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jun 25, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I really hate trading within the division. I blasted & laughed at the Eagles for it when then traded McNabb & I don’t even like the NFL
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by PatterPoet95 on Jun 26, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
So this means Gonchar’s probably gone from Pittsburgh, no? I’ll refrain from making a final judgment until we see if Hamhuis signs there or somewhere else, and how much he’s making.
Yes,
You will have to wait for the final assessment, but either way, the Flyer’s didn’t/couldn’t sign him, which is a loss of sorts.
Why not, BTW? Too much money, years?
Which B's team is this?
The problem was allegedly playing time/what line he would be on (yes, that really was the claim).
So, I think the opinion that he doesn’t want to play in the East is very likely correct. The money and the length of contract (4 yrs./$16 mil.) were what both sides were looking for.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 26, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Four other teams inquired about Hamhuis’ rights. Think about what they must have been offering if Homer ended up doing a deal with Pittsburgh.
Speculation alert, but it’s possible Homer doesn’t believe he’ll sign for Pitt either and intentionally sent him there anyway.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 26, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I was thinking too. Homer may make dumb moves but nobody can be this dumb. He must have good reason to believe Hamhuis won’t sign with the Pens.
This transaction is a little confusing
I don’t understand why Holmgrem would deal Hamhuis to your division rival. The only scenarios I could come up with is that either he knows Hamhuis won’t sign with us because he wants to play out west or Holmgren wants to make sure we can’t resign Gonchar, not that it was likely anyway. I heard that Holmgren lowballed Hamhuis with a $3 mill/per year deal and he took it as an insult. Also that Ham wanted top line minutes, something he couldn’t get on the Flyers. I’m really hoping we can sign him.
by Mario's Mullet on Jun 26, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Vancouver is out of the running after aquiring Ballard yesterday
by Mario's Mullet on Jun 26, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah for all we know the other four teams could be LA, Anaheim, SJ and Vancouver. In other words, teams that have a good chance of signing Hamhuis before July 1, but won’t give up much because they know they have a good chance of signing Hamhuis after July 1.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 26, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I am going to wildly assume the 3 other teams are Vancouver, The Sharks, the Ducks, and the Kings!
Homer decided to trade him to the only team he didnt want to go to!!!
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 26, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha maybe I should’ve read this post before posting above.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 26, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Speculation alert, but it’s possible Homer doesn’t believe he’ll sign for Pitt either and intentionally sent him there anyway
Homer decided to trade him to the only team he didnt want to go to!!!
This is what happened. :) Expect the Pens to be unable to sign him as well.
Go Homer! :)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 26, 2010 5:29 AM EDT up reply actions
The more I think about it, the more I see this as likely. Considering:
a) No matter what you think of Homer, he’s apparently made a lot of his offseason moves trying to target teams like the Penguins, he won’t want to make them stronger
b) The Flyers and Nashville are the only teams that have a real experience with Hamhuis and his demands. Everything from the outside is speculation. Homer knows what the real deal is with this guy.
c) Homer could’ve tried to negotiate for another few days and traded Hamhuis later. If it was a question of minutes or money, then he could’ve at least tried to work it out. It seems that he decided it was all futile very quickly.
To me that says that there is a specific reason why us signing Hamhuis is futile, a reason that only the Flyers front office, and maybe the Nashville front office, is aware of. Perhaps he wants to go West, perhaps he just hates Pennsylvania? That’s why Holmgren traded a top 4 defenseman to a divisional rival.
Of course this is all speculation, but it makes me feel happy inside :)
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 26, 2010 5:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not so sure about this
GM Ray Shero drafted Hamhuis when he was in Nashville. We’ll have to wait and see.
by Mario's Mullet on Jun 26, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Up yours, Dan Hamhuis
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by ToddtheFox on Jun 25, 2010 11:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Michelak???
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
I would rather pay Martin and Volchenkov the big money, especially if they’re willing to take a bit of a cut to form the best D in the league.
If we’re looking at someone not so high profile then Michalek and Foster sound good.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 26, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Volchenkov??? Over my dead body!
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I didn’t like it either. But that Volchenkov can be one beastly shutdown defenseman sometimes…
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 26, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope he takes a puch to the face and loses all his teeth, but hes too much of a b**ch to play like Lappy is.
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That’s just all sorts of awful.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 26, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Well this is good. I haven’t had anything to be pissed about as far as hockey is concerned for a couple weeks.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jun 25, 2010 11:32 PM EDT reply actions
I hope there is some grand scheme in the end. If pens sign Hammer and we get a third rounder for it….total fail in my eyes.
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How so? They’re still downgrading from Gonchar to Hamhuis.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 25, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
And we’re still upgrading from Parent to a 3rd round pick. Which, knowing Holmgren, we won’t have by the time it’s our turn to draft in that slot.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 26, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
And this all assumes that the Pens will be able to sign Hamhuis. If they do, they’ll be paying out the ass for him, and hopefully, preventing them from getting a sniper to put on the wing with Crosby. And if they don’t sign him, we improved on what we got for Parent. Win-win.
Exactly. Do you think Shero will happily let Hamhuis walk and tell the fans they gave away their third rounder to the FLYERS for nothing? No. But then Hamhuis and his agent will know that all too well and will milk them for as much as they can get.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 26, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m fairly certain that Homer, during contract negotiations, set Hamhuis up with a codeword Manchurian Candidate style so that when it is spoken during a Pens practice he will automatically headhunt and destroy Crosby, Malkin and Fluery in one fell swoop. He’s an evil genius, that Homer.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jun 25, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
The bad news is, he set the code word to a word no one would ever think to use: “Blabbering Blatherskite”
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by darkside3744 on Jun 26, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha, so that’s why he went to the Pens…. the code word(s) should be “The Flyers are going on a PECOOOO Power Play!” That way he gets rid of them on our home turf.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jun 26, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
they were losing Gonchar no matter what. So not much downgrading there.
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by PhillyPhan85 on Jun 26, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s still a downgrade whether they were planning on losing him or not.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 26, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe. but not like pitt really needs hammer to be offense. just like to see something other then drafting someone in the third round. hope homer uses it for leverage in a trade or something.
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by PhillyPhan85 on Jun 26, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
You know what, I have no problem with this. Do I wish the Flyers had traded Hamhuis’ rights out west — or, at the very least, outside of the division? Sure. But there’s no guarantee of course he signs in Pittsburgh, and either way I think it’s a good thing he didn’t sign here. And let’s think about this for a second: there’s no reason why he couldn’t/wouldn’t sign with Pittsburgh July 1 anyway if he wanted to. This way, while the chances of him signing there are slightly greater, the Flyers do benefit in that they get that third round pick. If he did sign here, it sounds like he would be an unhappy man who’s eating between $4 to $5 million (if not more?) in cap space for the next several years. Gotta appreciate Homer at least trying things like this (and, ultimately, trading pending RFA Ryan Parent for a third round pick is not bad).
Now let’s move past this and focus on the Nabokov situation.
by Ben Feldman on Jun 25, 2010 11:49 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
I guess it is for the best if he wanted a lot of money and top-line minutes, I honestly just wasn’t aware he was THAT good. I though $3.5 and 2nd pair with Timonen and we’d have a deal. If he goes to the Pens for $5 and plays 1st with Orpik, then I say we win that too.
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It definitely will be interesting to see how much he gets and how much he plays.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 26, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Rec’d. Thank you.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 26, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
But there’s no guarantee of course he signs in Pittsburgh
That’s pretty much what I’m saying to everyone who thinks this is a done deal already. What he wants and what the Pens can offer will be two completely different things.
But I am conceding to the notion that Gonchar is more or less done in Pittsburgh. A Pittsburgh paper had a story today that mentioned how he and his agent met with the Pens this morning and couldn’t come to terms. So I guess Shero went into the draft with that in mind and decided to do something before he was left with nothing – which is still a possibility if Gonch goes and the Pens can’t sign Hamhuis.
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My only problem is that there are alot of ifs so again I’m back to waiting even longer to see if something is going to happen. There was a Steven Segal movie that had a great quote in it “the anticipation of death is great than death itself” thats basically how I feel during every off season.
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Apparently all the guys on the Flyers beat are furious about the deal. I find that strange.
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Because it’s within the division, I’m sure. That’s my only problem with it, now that I’ve calmed down.
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Yeah, maybe I’m crazy, but it doesn’t bother me all that much.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 26, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
My opinion will be worse if he actually signs for Pitt. If he doesn’t, I’ll pat Homer on the back
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If he ends up out west, and I hear that Price decided to refuse Montreal Canadiens RFA offer,
then I will be happy!
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 26, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Nor does it bother me. At this point in his career, he is a 2nd pairing guy who doesn’t play a lot on the PP. So he isn’t replacing what the Pens lost in Gonchar. Add to that the possibility of a 4.5mil per year deal or more and this is not a great move for the Pens. I’m not saying he can’t be a 1st pair guy, but he isn’t now, and he is definitely not a PP quarterback.
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by Dylan Marck on Jun 26, 2010 1:08 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I said this when the Eagles traded with the Giants, Cowboys, & Redskins… You make the deal that gets you the most in return. If the Penguins offered more than every other team in the NHL then you trade him to the Pens.
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I hate trading with the Penguins. Of course, I hate the Penguins. And their stupid jerseys, their overrated taint punching players, their bandwagon fans, their polluted city, their stupidly named coach, etc.
If Homer turned Ryan Parent into a 3rd Round Pick, then that’s excellent. But let’s hope this is an incredibly sinister move where Hamhuis doesn’t sign with them.
Stupid Penguins.
And this all assumes that the Pens will be able to sign Hamhuis. If they do, they’ll be paying out the ass for him, and hopefully, preventing them from getting a sniper to put on the wing with Crosby. And if they don’t sign him, we improved on what we got for Parent. Win-win.
No horn-tootin’, but I told yaz not to get too attached to Hamhuis. The same applies to Pens fans now.
Negotiating and dealing with the Penguins? That just simply makes me feel dirty all over my body. I think I’m gonna go puke, burn down my clothes and wait, hoping that this turns out to be a good move by Homer, which seems very likely, from what I’ve read here.
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Preds fan here. Hamhuis probably wants too much. I think he’s a high 2mil to low 3mil player. He wants more. Maybe the Pens will give it to him.
Otherwise, thanks for Parent back, essentially “free” now. I know our teams will deal again in the future.
This was a great swap for the Flyers and Preds. Parent can be good … just not in the system we play right now. He’ll be a bargain for the Preds at <$1M. Meanwhile, we got a 3rd rd. pick at least just for holding Hamhuis’ rights for less than a week. And the Pens will be pushed up against the cap trying to resign Hamhuis, making their roster pretty shallow.
by memphisbrando on Jun 26, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 26, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
sitting on it for the night to ponder this. I will take a draft pick over “rights” to talk to someone but I will still say that I hope that Homer will be working out some deal that will move some type of missing piece to our puzzle this season. Not sure what we will get in the later rounds of the draft and how they will be able to affect the team in the near future so it would be nice to get someone who will have an immediate impact on the squad.
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I hope wherever Hammy goes, he fails miserably. Take an effing paycut to join a winning team.
Whatever, if he doesn’t want to play here, then we don’t want him. Moving on, next subject . . .
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I just read on csnphilly that money wasn’t the problem it was that he wasn’t being recognized as the No. 3 defenseman, I’m glad he’s gone if that is the case because I am pretty sure I read that he would be playing around the same minutes as Carle and Coburn.
I dunno, that seems like spin to me. His play would have dictated if he was a top 4 defenseman. It had to be about money. It’s always about money.
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Everyone realizes this is saving us $4-5M per year for a 2d/3d pairing guy? Riiiight? Like we aren’t really butthurt over the 4th (maybe 3rd) best prospective player on our D….riiight?
Sure, the trade to the Pens blows. But we were just in the cup under Homer’s leadership. Let’s give him a break, eh?
This "ham" tastes like chicken...
Everybody knows the image and reputation that the Flyers have. Players either embrace it or run from it. Joffrey Lupul knew it and embraced it (“I feel tougher already”), Danny Briere knew it when he took less money to become a Flyer rather than a Canadien…Dan Hamhuis ran from it. This “ham” tastes like chicken to me!
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