Monday Morning Fly By: Draft Recaps

by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 28, 2010 10:17 AM EDT in Morning Fly By

Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...

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In case you missed it, the Flyers are negotiating with Evgeni Nabokov. And they drafted Peter Luukko's son: [DelcoTimes]
But, "PHI was told from the get go by Nabokov that he plans on going to July 1 UFA as he will have multiple options including the KHL." [TSNBobMcKenzie]
Some quotes from Nick Luukko: [Flyer Files]
A nice little introduction to the Flyers first pick, #89 overall Michael Chaput: [CSNPhilly]
Claiming the Jonathan Matsumoto trade was not a surprise, but he will be missed in Glens Falls: [PostStar]
Here's something I don't understand: The Flyers were losers at the draft because "The indignity of the Dan Hamhuis affair, in which the team acquired the defenseman's negotiating rights from Nashville only to then trade them to the Pittsburgh Penguins, earns them a place here." [Puck Daddy]
Lastly, the Edmonton Oilers buy high, sell low: [Behind The Net]

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Wyshynski would rather see the Flyers get weighed down with a $4-5 million cap hit for the next 3-5 years than see them find a more prudent addition for their defense, or for that matter, attempt to sign a legitimate goaltender.

by Ben Feldman on Jun 28, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions

Here’s something I don’t understand: The Flyers were losers at the draft because “The indignity of the Dan Hamhuis affair, in which the team acquired the defenseman’s negotiating rights from Nashville only to then trade them to the Pittsburgh Penguins, earns them a place here.”

Ignore these silly comments of his – he’s a well-established Devils devotee and rarely misses a chance to get a dig in on the Flyers on his blog. (The one exception was where even he had to admire our playoff run and posted about it, but I’ve never seen another post like it.)

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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 28, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions

I think he’s a pretty even dude, honestly. Doesn’t mean he’s right all the time, and I disagree with him here just like you, but I don’t think he takes digs at the Flyers because he hates them or anything like that.

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by Travis Hughes on Jun 28, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions

On the whole, I agree. However, he does broadcast jabs at us – they are subtle, and not in poor taste, but they are there (I’m too lazy to track any down – if someone else is more inspired, please feel free.)

Ultimately, I don’t blame him – it’s his blog, and he’s allowed to have favorites just like the rest of us.

However, it was cool of him to let BSH do the Devils’ eulogy this year. :) I’ll give him props for that.

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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 28, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions

I think he takes jabs at everybody, really.

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by Travis Hughes on Jun 28, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Puck Daddy can just be a dick sometimes… Did you see that post about the Hall of Fame induction last week? Give me a break…

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by PatterPoet95 on Jun 28, 2010 10:27 AM EDT reply actions

He could have put us in the “losers” category because we didn’t have a draft pick until 89 and thereby didn’t significantly help the NHL team unless there’s a hidden gem in there. But to say we were losers because we essentially flipped Parent for a third rounder is silly, on top of there being no guarantee that Hamhuis signs with Pitt (though I for one think it’s an attractive destination for him, unless it is true that he wants to be close to Vancouver)

by Derek F on Jun 28, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions

The draft had me cracking up at some teams. How do solid blue chip D guys like Fowler and Gormley fall past half a dozen teams? I saw Fowler projected as a top 5 pick in every mock draft I read.

It’s actually kind of frusturating that we had no assets because when solid prospects like that start to slide, you’d wish you had something to trade up to snag them. The Ducks made out like bandits, getting Fowler and then Etem (who C&B really loved and did a whole write up about snagging him at 15 in the SBN mock-fight the power draft version)

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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 28, 2010 11:18 AM EDT reply actions

What’s with all these dramatic photos of Chaput? Not to mention the ridiculous one where he was peeking out of stage curtains? I guess the NHL pays for 30 of these photo sessions — one for each team — and whether a team’s first pick is #1 overall or #89 overall they get this treatment? Don’t get me wrong, I like the pick — even though he’s a center, Hockey’s Future says he’s taken the “majority” of his team’s faceoffs — but it just seems a little strange.

by Ben Feldman on Jun 28, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions

There was a PD article showcasing the 10 most awkward of those photos, so yeah, they’re generally all bad.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 28, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions

is it me or do they all look like they should be singing show tunes in those pics?

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by Mike B on D on Jun 28, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions

My ESPN colleague EJ Hradek blogs that the Flyers also made a contract offer to Turco over the weekend, not just Nabokov. Answer was no

Okay, now Homer is starting to scare me.

by Ben Feldman on Jun 28, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions

well, yes, but apparently, he’s working within a budget, so the contract offer’s a pretty low.

As I’ve said before, Turco/Nabokov/FA goalie’s are fine in my book as long as we aren’t overpaying them for ridiculous amounts of years with NTC in their contracts.

Turco at $3MM for 2 years might not be that bad either.

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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 28, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions

Who’s working within a budget? Homer?

by Ben Feldman on Jun 28, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions

yeah, it seems like it anyway, with not coming to terms with Hamhuis and now him being turned down by Turco and also Nabokov telling him he’s waiting until July 1 to make a decision. If he had offered either guy 5-6MM, you think they would have said no?

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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 28, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions

I think he’s just trying to not overpay and screw up the team’s salary cap situation again. Between Snider and Comcast, the Flyers haven’t had any real internal salary budget in literally decades (earlier in the decade prior to the lockout, Clarke would spend ~$75 million on payroll).

by Ben Feldman on Jun 28, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions

yeah, by budget I mean cap constraints. I’m so used to Homer being almost ignorant of the cap situation, that I’m a little surprised he seems to be paying special attention to it all of a sudden.

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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 28, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions

Oh, yeah, it’s been an unexpected few days, that’s for sure.

by Ben Feldman on Jun 28, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions

How is Homer offering contracts if Free Agency doesn’t start until July 1? Wouldn’t a contract offer right now be considered tampering?

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by EREX21 on Jun 28, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions

seems like he’s working out some handshake agreements with the team owning their rights prior to offering the guys contracts. Both Dallas and SJ aren’t bringing back those guys so for them to allow Homer to negotiate with their soon to be FA’s in exchange for picks seems pretty legit.

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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 28, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions

I agree, just hadn’t heard anything about a verbal agreement or a handshake agreement with Dallas.

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by EREX21 on Jun 28, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, no tampering. He got full permission from Nieuwendyk. Very smart moves, all in all.

by Ben Feldman on Jun 28, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions

Answers that.

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by EREX21 on Jun 28, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions

Any word on some of the other goalies out there? I know these 2 old heads are getting top billing, but what about Mason, Price and the others?

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by Mike B on D on Jun 28, 2010 11:41 AM EDT reply actions

Price is staying in Montreal, from what I have been able to glean. No idea on Mason and others.

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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 28, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions

I don;t understand Price staying in Montreal. I thought they soured on him a while ago. I’m wondering if one of the 2nd tier goalies might not be a better option.

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by Mike B on D on Jun 28, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions

I read Puck Daddy for the laughs. Wysh doesn’t normally slight the Flyers, but I didn’t quite understand his critique of the Flyers draft.

All in all, I consider the Hockey bloggers on yahoo to be mediocre at best, with Wysh being above average. The rest seem to live in their mothers baseball with Flyers voodoo dolls on their walls, having Lindros’ hit on loop while a track of Sidney Crosby or Ovechkin’s voice serenades them to sleep

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 28, 2010 12:17 PM EDT reply actions

The rest seem to live in their mothers baseball with Flyers voodoo dolls on their walls

They must be very small bloggers…

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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 28, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Forgot the :) at the end. :)

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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 28, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions

trolls come in a wide variety of shapes and sizes

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 28, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions

LOL! :)

Well played.

(The image of bloggers living inside baseballs (let alone ones belonging to their mothers) just amused me too much to leave it alone. :)

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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 28, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions

just realized it should be basements lol

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 28, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Jun 28, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Have we heard anything about the Flyers making an offer to Coburn? Qualifying offers are due today, are they not?

by Ben Feldman on Jun 28, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions

i read in my local paper (the news journal) on sunday that theyve already given qualifying offers to coburn, powe, and carcillo.

by rmg4519 on Jun 28, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Worley says the offers are due today, so I’ll take that as fact.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 28, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Crap

Link: http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/deadline-for-qualifying-offers-is-today-ladd-niemi-safe-with-hawks.php

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 28, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh, hey, they remembered to tender their offers this year.

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by The Dark on Jun 28, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions

I wonder if the Panthers remembered to tender their guys?

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by EREX21 on Jun 28, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions

So did Coburn get an offer from the Flyers?

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by Mitchell Green on Jun 28, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Holmgren said “Qualifying offers to all of our RFA’s were sent out some time ago,” which people are assuming means Coburn, Carcillo, and Powe. As far as the other RFAs (Teslak, Bellamy, Duchesne, Laliberte, Clackson, and Beaulieu) I have no clue.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 28, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Sportsnite reported that the “All” included those guys, since they showed the whole list on the screen.

by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 28, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Interesting. I wonder if they’re just guessing though.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 28, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions

I think it is guessing

Elsewhere, I posted the source of what I thought I saw posted about Carcillo

Meanwhile, the Flyers already have made qualifying offers to restricted free agents Darroll Powe, Dan Carcillo and Braydon Coburn, allowing them to retain negotiating rights.

This turns out to be Chuck Gormley from the Wilmington News Journal (Delawareonline.com). It’s oddly without other attribution, or mention about other players.

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by Bud in TN on Jun 28, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Gormley really writes for the Courier Post here in South Jersey, but his stuff is frequently used by other Gannett owned papers. Hilariously, that article is one of the ones that Courier Post put in the paper but not on the website (Gannett papers do that periodically). Since it wasn’t the focus of the article, I took that as an offhand comment about the ones already on the NHL roster, since it would have been odd to just change the direction of the article and start talking about our minor league RFA’s.

by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 29, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

So i was looking through some waiver wire guys and I found this gem:
Jim Vandermeer. Thoughts on him coming back as a 3rd line guy?

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 28, 2010 4:02 PM EDT reply actions

No.

by Ben Feldman on Jun 28, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Might as well resign Krajicek and Leighton if Holmgren were just going to use the same flawed thinking that screwed this team last season.

by MarioD on Jun 28, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Does anyone know if we still get a conditional pick in 2011 for Ryan Parent from the Predators? I know we get one from the Penguins for the right to trade with Hamhuis before July 1.

by deisel on Jun 28, 2010 5:00 PM EDT reply actions