Thursday Morning Fly By: Back in the Series
by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 11:08 AM EDT
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PrintToday's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...
- Recaps of last night's win: [BSH] [NHL.com] [CSNPhilly] [DelcoTimes] [Daily News] [The700level] [Puck Daddy]
- Claude Giroux has a psychic friend: [CSNPhilly]
- The world "resilient" has been thrown around a lot lately. Can't say it isn't fitting, though. [CSNPhilly]
- Jeff Carter is still recovering from his broken foot, but he's feeling better about his game. [DelcoTimes]
- Chris Pronger seems to have effectively gotten under the Blackhawks skin: [Daily News] [DelcoTimes]
- Ville Leino thinks he just played the best game of his NHL career. [EuroFlyers]
- Leino and Hartnell are playing pretty well right now: [Daily News]
- Video of player intros and God Bless America: [The700level]
- Video of the Wach's reaction to Giroux's winner: [The700level]
- Arguing that Danny Briere has been the Flyers Playoff MVP: [DelcoTimes]
- Ville Leino will be getting a lot of much deserved press. [CSNPhilly]
- Stunning numbers from Game 3: [Puck Daddy]
- Patrick Thoresen's agent is 98% sure he'll be in the NHL next year. [euroflyers]
- The Flyers have reportedly offered Denis Bodrov an entry level deal. [euroflyers]
- Sergei Bobrovsky's former KHL team - the last place Metallurg Novokuznetsk - claim they have a deal in place for a Canadian defenseman in the Cup finals. Danny Syvret? [euroflyers]
- Looking at penalty drawn and taken differential by position: [Behind the Net]
- A look at anniversary logos appearing next year and Toronto's fixed jerseys: [icethetics]
- Don Maloney was named NHL GM of the Year yesterday. [SBNation]
- Are we witnessing the death of dump and chase hockey? [Puck Daddy]
- Looking at Niemi, Leighton, and the worst Cup winning goalies since 1980. [Puck Prospectus]
- Lastly, Gary Bettman spent part of his birthday on Hockey Night in Canada. Here's video and a breakdown: [Puck Daddy]
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That. Is. Awesome.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Sadly, I’m unable to afford it right now. But I definitely appreciate the offer.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Did they have those sweet orange SCF hoodies with the number on the right shoulder and all?
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"Good night. Good hockey."
by KreiderDesigns on Jun 3, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t see those, but then again, I wasn’t looking for them. I basically went in the shop to get a picture of that, and grab the SCF coin. I’ll take a look for you in game 4 if they sell them.
Thanks dude. You should also print out some of our t-shirts and take them around the store and go “Where can I get something this awesome? Seriously? Why don’t I see anything this sweet in this store? You should hire this guy do do stuff for you!”
But that one is completely up to you.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jun 3, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
As MikeFive has said before, we have seen your work at games before. Put On Your Lappy Face was up there a couple series ago on an older gentleman on the big board. And hey, there is nothing stopping you from printing a bunch of t’s and doing the parking lot walk around before and after games. I bet you could sell a ton b/c they are actually nice, you might just have to adjust the pricing to compete with the junk they usually sell.
Assuming you ignore that you technically need a permit for that, I agree, go and sell some shirts in the parking lot.
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Hahaha. It’s not really about selling shirts, it’s about me wanting a job with the Flyers and illegally selling “bootleg” shirts outside isn’t really a way to go about it…would be fun though
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by KreiderDesigns on Jun 3, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha, it’s ok. I won’t hold it against you.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jun 3, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Carter has got to be about 65% right now. It’s that or he really is just god-awful at playing wing.
I hope it’s the first explanation.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 3, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions
Or somewhere in between.
If he wasn’t the worst Flyer on the ice last night, he was pretty damn close.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
he made one nice skate back to break up a 2-1, but other than that, he morphed into the “unispired-no emtion-no effort in a big game” jeff carter that I consistently want to trade for picks…
I actually was hoping that the Gagne no goal in OT was knocked in by Carter prior to the whistle, so that I could at least justify him being dragged around the ice the whole game by Richards and Gagne.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 3, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Not Flyers related
But Amando Galarrago lost his perfect game due to a blown call by the umpire: [SBNation]
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions
blown call does not do it justice.
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5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
It looked to me on the replay I saw that the ump actually started with the out call and then changed it to safe. Maybe someone wanted a little notorious reputation?
"Game 7's are tough... It's a game that's made for men and our guys proved to be men today." -Laviolette
by PatterPoet95 on Jun 3, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I know Geoff likes it when we talk about the articles.
I liked the Puck Prospectus one, it kind of gives a happy medium on the terribly awful Leighton to the SO leader in this year’s playoffs, Leighton.
Loved all the hugging in the Wachovia reaction to the GWG last night.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 3, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions
Agreed. I am not sure what to think of Leighton right now. While I appreciate how good he seemed to be in the previous series’s, he has not looked all that good this series. I actually think he has looked worse on some of the shots that weren’t goals then some of the ones that were. For instance I do not fault him for any of the three goals he gave up last night…a deflection, a screen and a break away, not a whole lot the goalie could do there…maybe come out of the net a bit on Kane’s break away but that’s about it. But he has looked so piss poor on rebounds and going down way to early. The Hawks know it to which is why so many of their shots are going well above the net, they are purposely aiming top shelf. Game 1 he had no defense what so ever and in game two…Kraji should have cleared the puck on the first goal. I still contend that Leights should have stopped Eager’s shot and I know Geoff disagrees with that, and that’s fine. But like I said, he looks worse on the saves then he does on the ones that make it in the net. I actually think I would be more confident if Boosh was in there.
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I should also preface that by saying that I think part of why I have so little confidence in Leighton right now is because I have watched a guy in Niemi who was supposed to be the Hawks only weakness, look absolutely lights out for two games. He flat out stole game 2 and nearly did the same thing in game 3. Dude is a rookie in the SCF and he is playing like Patrick Roy.
Go Go Gadget Gagne
What if Broad Street Didn't Fight Back? History HAS been made. 5-7-10
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
yes, my eyes are certainly disputing Geoff’s stats showing Niemi as anything more than mediocre as well, haha.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 3, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, ooooh :(
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s a rookie in the NHL, but he has a good amount of playoff experience in the Finnish leagues, with Kiekko-Vantaa and Pelicans Lahti, and some AHL experience with the IceHogs, while Leighton has OHL and AHL playoff experience. If you count the non-NHL leagues, Niemi’s played 23 playoff games (12 SM-Liiga, 9 Mestis, 2 AHL), and Leighton’s played 43 (24 OHL, 19 AHL).
Honor is no substitute for victory.
You know, I don’t disagree with much you said. In fact, I’ll just say I generally agree.
The important part to remember is that I don’t like Leighton. I don’t want him to be re-signed, I didn’t want him plucked off waivers, etc. And while he doesn’t look good this series, there’s something to be said for Leighton proving his skill level.
Something not directed at you: When JpH was complaining about the Hawks’ second goal, I went back and watched it again. I still don’t think Leighton is more than 60% responsible, but the puck didn’t go over his shoulder. It went around his blocker. There’s no angle which shows me whether Leighton was too far back in his crease, not expecting the shot, not in the proper position, screened, etc. But something bad happened there.
Long story: Leighton is what he is, which is worse than Niemi. He is not a starting goalie in the NHL, he is a 1-B at best.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
yup, there isn’t much we can do about it now except hope and pray and maybe sacrifice some chickens to the hockey gods that we can win in spite of Leighton or I’ll even take because of him ( the former being the result last night)
we are pretty lucky that our defense (at least our top 4) is ridiculously good.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 3, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Does Leighton really need to be hated on everyday on these threads?
"Game 7's are tough... It's a game that's made for men and our guys proved to be men today." -Laviolette
by PatterPoet95 on Jun 3, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I really don’t get it. He may not be great, but it doesn’t suck either.
Let's go Flyers!
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Especially considering, unless I missed something (mesculine), we won last night…
"Game 7's are tough... It's a game that's made for men and our guys proved to be men today." -Laviolette
by PatterPoet95 on Jun 3, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think it’s hate; it’s concern. The issue is that Boucher isn’t appreciably better, even though I think he could make some saves that Leighton couldn’t—but honestly, we don’t know how healthy he is and there doesn’t seem to be the same sense of urgent play in front of him that Leighton seemingly receives. (if that makes any sense)
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
Okay, does Leighton really need to be concerned over everyday on this threads. We are in the stanley cup finals, he did help us get here despite all of his obvious weaknesses (3 shutouts) and we did win last night…
I’m just saying a little perspective would be nice.
"Game 7's are tough... It's a game that's made for men and our guys proved to be men today." -Laviolette
by PatterPoet95 on Jun 3, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
No, you’re entirely right. And the hate really does get to me too, but the underlying concern is valid. I don’t think he’s nearly as bad as a lot of people say he is, but he isn’t nearly as good as people were saying he is a week ago.
Really, my concern is SanFilippo’s source saying they have “the guy” in Leighton. I’m fine with him this year (he’s a flippin’ steal) but I do not want Leighton/Boucher next year.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
This
Exactly—don’t consider Leighton/Boucher as the future tandem for this team. It is not the solution. They need to build around a young goaltender for the future. It’s fine to keep Leighton or Boucher as backup, but you can’t keep both.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
Leighton 7 wins and 3 losses in 10 playoff games. 3 shutouts 1 combined shutout. 2-0 in elemination games.
I have two nerdy star wars quotes for y’all:
“Your eyes can decieve you, don’t trust them.”
“This one a long time have I watched, all his life as he looked away to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. What he was doing….”
Sheesh do I really need to point out we are in the Stanley Cup Finals. Lets worry about next year it two weeks.
"Game 7's are tough... It's a game that's made for men and our guys proved to be men today." -Laviolette
by PatterPoet95 on Jun 3, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Every successful blog needs its share of optimists and pessimists. There’s only so many statements you can make about how awesome the win was last night, and it was.
But what I was pointing to, and what Geoff reiterated, is that we hope the franchise hasn’t been blinded from his success, which is due to the system in which he plays. Notice I said I didn’t think Bouch would be all that much better, as opposed to what MarioD would say on the matter.
The subject came up, so we discussed it. It’s better than talking about trolls or how no one ever thought we were in this thing.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
i have no hate for Leighton, he is what he is, but that doesn’t mean that I can’t analyze his game and voice the fact that he isn’t quite the same goalie we had in previous series.
I’m all for talking about how bad Carter was last night, how Carcillo has the ref’s target on his back and why the Latvian wolf didn’t play after the 2nd.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 3, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah don’t get me wrong, I don’t hate Leighton. I don’t really have feelings towards the guy one way or the other except gratitude for what he has done to get us to this point. But like others said, I am concerned. Leighton is not a starter and while he is doing his best impression of a starter and has thus far earned his job for THIS SEASON, as Geoff pointed out, I do not want the front office once again getting sucked into the notion that just because a guy plays well for a period of time like Leighton has that he is suddenly anything more than he is. (wow that was one hell of a run on) We might win the cup, we might not, either way, I wouldn’t want Leighton back. Boosh is signed for next year, great, we have our back up. Now go out with the roughly 4 mil you are going to have and find me a starter not named Carey Price. What Leighton is doing, and has done for some time this season is an apparition and that is not to be confused with reality.
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Not to be too condescending about this (but just a little you know for the kids) can I borrow your crystal ball? I’d like to see the future as well.
You can’t know whether or not this just a flash unless you give Leighton a shot to play a full year as the starter, signing him or letting him go have their risks. But all could be discussed after the season is over… Ugh- i just did what I didn’t want to do which is start talking about next year…
"Game 7's are tough... It's a game that's made for men and our guys proved to be men today." -Laviolette
by PatterPoet95 on Jun 3, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, I’m still not sold that there are consistently great goalies beyond one or two at a time. Yes, you’ll have your Roys, your Haseks, your Brodeurs, who perform at a high level for a decade. You’ll also have your Lalimes, with a few years of brilliance and multiple years of suck, or your Andy Moog who has one great year and is atrocious every other year. I think it’s far more important to ensure the blue line is solid, with good speed and intelligence, and have a less expensive goalie who may not be ridiculously good, but is consistent and gives his team a chance night in and night out.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
I agree. If you have a great D such as say Nashville, then even having a decent goalie can make you that much better. But in the absence of a great D, which the Flyers do not have, then you need a better goalie. Our top 4 can not play 32 minutes a game every game for an entire season, that’s not even arguable. If this team is going to go on the cheap and bring back Leighton then they better sure as hell use the roughly 2 mil they will save and bring in two actual guys who can play defense and not two traffic cones with hockey sticks.
Go Go Gadget Gagne
What if Broad Street Didn't Fight Back? History HAS been made. 5-7-10
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Sign me up.
Go Go Gadget Gagne
What if Broad Street Didn't Fight Back? History HAS been made. 5-7-10
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
I don’t get to watch a lot of him. I’ve watched a lot of Rinne, and they are my favorite team out west, but I tend to ignore Ellis b/c of my fandom for Rinne. Any scouting notes other than his stat lines. And by scouting notes I mean people that have watched him, not cliches or stuff I can google.
Well, here’s a post on Nashville’s free agents, and nobody – including the comments – wants to see him go. Not really a scouting report (a lot of people like him as a person) but nobody had a bad thing to say about him.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Ellis is a 1-A at best, which might be good enough, so at the right price, I’d be all for it. I’d still rather go out and get a stud AHL goalie though…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Such as?
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Bernier, Neuvirth, Enroth, Schneider…
But I don’t know enough about Enroth and Schneider appears to be the Vancouver backup after failed attempts at Raycroft.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Schndeider I guess is Vancouver’s goalie of the future from what I am told. I am not sold on Neuvirth. I do like Bernier a lot.
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What about Holtby? 0.917 SV% in the regular season (10th in the AHL)
Honor is no substitute for victory.
I’m just not sure he’s ready. He might be the best of the three (so says Fehr and Balanced), but he doesn’t help the Flyers next year.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough. I was going through the AHL stats, looking at who had the best save percentages, and it was Bernier, a bunch of guys in the 27-30 age range (McKenna, Munroe, Desjardins, etc), and Holtby.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Desjardins is supposedly pretty solid. He’s a Canadien prospect, no? Maybe he’ll backup whichever (Halak) goalie they peg as the next savior.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
RE: Desjardins
that’s what I think too..
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 3, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Oui, he’s a Habs prospect. Kept bouncing back and forth between the Cyclones and the Bulldogs for a couple years (he’d move up when Price and Halak were called up, then go back down the next year).
I’m also intrigued by Jason Missiaen, just because he’s huge (6’8").
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Yeah, his OHL stats aren’t very good.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
failed attempts at Raycroft
This makes “Raycroft” sound like a game of strategy, like Risk.
“Will you succeed? Or will you fail… at Raycroft?”
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
haha, definitely should not have used the word “at”. Good catch.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I can agree with that, I’m just trying to think about real possibilities for next season while I come off the high from last night’s win. Ellis is solid, from the little I’ve seen, but he also plays behind a very solid defense, which he would have here as well, but still, he has lost the starting job behind that good defense. So I’m not sold necessarily on him, just curious about him.
Ahhhhh- please imagine a freakish 31 year old taking his pants off in the office and screaming what the hell are you talking about?! Dan Ellis?!
Can’t we do this next week, say around June 12th-13th pretty please?
I give, uncle, uncle.
"Game 7's are tough... It's a game that's made for men and our guys proved to be men today." -Laviolette
Or you could ignore this part of the thread, we aren’t forcing you to read it. I now have some time between coming off the celebration from last night and before I get nervous for tomorrow night, and this is something I’m interested in. Feel free to move on to another thread in this board, and close your eyes when you come to this part so it doesn’t bother you as much.
In Ellis’ defense, he has a fabulous Twitter account: http://twitter.com/dellis39
I don’t want to continue the discussion until after the season, but I’m fully behind the group that has said here before that I’d rather shore up a solid defense and work around an average goalie than give big bucks to “the next sure thing” in net…
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Agreed, I’m part of that group, but neither goalie right now is my average goalie of choice for next year.
I think either could be an average goalie…I don’t know enough about it. I saw what a difference a good goalie coach can do with Bryzgalov this year under Sean Burke and the Flyers seem to have gotten similarly improved coaching from Reese. So I’m not entirely ready to say because of Leighton’s history, he can’t be a very good goalie…he’s been great all year for the Flyers, generally.
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Well, Bryzgalov was a very good goalie who became great. Leighton is an average goalie who is playing well.
I see your point but don’t like the analogy.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, and no. Bryz had talent, no doubt, but there’s a reason that he was on waivers when the Coyotes got him. And while he played fairly well his first year here, the difference this year has been noticeable. His positioning and rebound control were consistently improved. The shame was he didn’t steal a single game from the Red Wings…would’ve probably won us the series if he had been able to do that…next year.
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Fair enough.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we can all agree on that last part. I want nothing to do with Nabokov or Turco, or any other goalie earning $4 mil or more. Unless it’s Lundqvist.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Which it won’t be.
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Yeah, can’t see that happening. But I’m not sure trading for a Bernier, Neuvirth or anyone else is really worth it either. I was fairly down on the Coyotes for signing LaBarbera to back-up Bryz this year when Montoya played pretty well at the end of the prior season…Montoya took 4 steps back, and LaBarbera played great in his limited playing time. Goalies are just so damn fickle.
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I love Montoya. Wolverines represent!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Have fun rooting for them while they are getting sanctioned left and right because Rich Rod is a detestable douche
Go Go Gadget Gagne
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5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Well, football is a whole different animal. I hate Rodriguez cause I went to Pitt, so…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Pitt…the only time I root for Pitt is when they play WVU…
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PITT—BOOOOO! ’Nova fan here, but really only detest Pitt when it comes to basketball.
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Well that’s what they’re good at…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, it’s not a real rooting for them thing for me. My two best friends in Phoenix are Michigan guys and golfing with them after Michigan losses kinda suck, so I have a minor interest (I do love Brandon Graham though…kid’s a stud!). I went to Penn for undergrad and law school, and grew up on Long Island…I have almost zero interest in college athletics as a result.
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You are insanely smart then. Good job.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know about the insanely smart…I thought I was in high school, but have been significantly humbled in all endeavors since. But Penn is to thanks for exposing me to the greatest city and greatest sports teams in the world, so I have that going for me…
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You are from Long Island, went to Pitt, root for the Eagles and Phillies…and the Coyotes?
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Close…from Long Island…went to UPenn (Philly), cheer for the Phillies, Eagles and Flyers…moved to Phoenix for my wife and work, became a Coyotes STH, and cheer for/write about the Coyotes. I won’t even get into my childhood of cheering for my dad’s teams (Rangers, Yankees – it’s an unfortunate period that with therapy I may be able to block out)
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Sorry, I meant UPenn. Totally my bad.
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At least you didn’t try and say I went to Penn State ;)
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As a Penn State football fan I am somewhat hurt by that notion.
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It was just always a running joke at Penn. They sell shirts that say “Not Penn State” just so folks don’t keep complimenting you on your football program. I respect the hell out of Penn State, just never really cheered for them or anything.
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by kmblue on Jun 3, 2010 2:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If it makes you feel any better I grew up a Cowboys fan. Ironically I grew up in South Jersey and it wasn’t until I went away to school that I saw the error of my ways and started rooting for the Eagles.
On a side note, I love Phoenix and would love to live there, the wife however wants no part of it. Doesn’t want to move away from the family.
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If you are ever in town, shoot me an email. I love it here and can’t imagine moving back anywhere that has snow consistently in the winter. My sister lives in Pitt and we got stranded there in February…it sucked!
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I have been out there a few times. Family moved out there. Went to a DBacks game, loved the stadium. Grew up and am still a Suns fans so I would love to see a game there.
I think Pitt is a nice city, could be so much better if the city itself was actually opened passed 5pm. But yeah the weather there sucks. I travel there every so often for work.
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i am insanely smart….
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 3, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Loungo has been less than stellar in the playoffs.
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He doesn’t have a great Defense in Vancouver and came up clutch in the Olympics. 0.919 SV PCT 2.46 GAA in the playoffs for his career. That is good enough for me. These AHL guys haven’t done anything in the playoffs.
True, but for Luongo’s price and age, I would rather throw my chips at a younger guy who will cost less and give us the flexibility to spend elsewhere. But I can’t disagree with your thinking that a proven goalie is better than as you said below, dealing with growing pains for a few more years.
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I have lost a lot of confidence in Luongo, maybe if he wasn’t getting paid like he is, but that’s way too much money for a guy that hasn’t carried a team to or through much of anything.
I agree. He has the skills that a good goaltender should have, but why in the hell can’t he put it together in the postseason? (And for that matter, why does he have the contract he does when he has never proven his worth when it matters most.)
Yes, he got the Gold Medal game, but without Canada’s D-men, he wouldn’t have won it.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 3, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
How about instead of a crystal ball I give you a history book? I am basing my assumption, which I guess in a sense is a guess, on Leighton’s prior stats. And those stats tell me that Leighton for his career is not as good as his numbers right now indicate he is. Now,does that mean that he can’t play like this from here on out? No it doesn’t. And it doesn’t mean that he will regress back to what his stats indicate he is. However those stats do say that there is more proof that he is a 1B as Geoff put it, than it does that he is a 1A. That is all I am saying. And given the choice between Leighton and a potential free agent with a better track record, I will take the free agent with a better track record every time. As someone said above and as I have said 1000 times before. Leighton is a product of the system he plays in, like Boosh and Emery before him. Just like the Denver Bronco’s seemed to be able to insert every Tom, Dick and Harry in at RB and he would get 1,000 yards. It’s all about the system. Give me the guy that got 800 yards behind a MASH unit O-line over the guy that got 1,200 for the Bronco’s any day.
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My question for you is do AHL stats count as track record. Leighton is 29 years old entering his peak of his career and his AHL numbers if you are going to count them are pretty solid especially his AHL playoff numbers. I want to acquire a young high pedigree goalie too but not at the cost of Jeff Carter and given Pronger and Kimmo’s age I don’t want to waste these last 3 years or so going for the growing pains with an unproven kid with no NHL experience.
Ahhhh- I can’t resist-
Ellis won’t be that cheap (he will probably cost about as much as Lieghton I would guess 2-3 mill per year) and if you thin Leighton has 5 hole problems….
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And as I mentioned above I haven’t watched enough of him, and I’m not sold on him or anything; which is why I brought him up for discussion, so I could possibly learn if this would be something the front office should pursue, or if it’s dumb.
I would like to speak more with you about this… I would just like to do it later. Like 8-10 days from now…
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given Pronger and Kimmo’s age
I had never thought about this. Realising this makes me want Ellis over any young unproven goalie. Ellis should be good for at least 5 years, and is getting paid $2mill a season atm to back-up and is a UFA. I wonder what he would cost to be brought in as a starter, and who else would be looking for a goalie to drive the price up.
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I don’t see Ellis making more than $3 mil per. And if he’s signed to a 4 year deal, it’d probably be closer to $10-11 mil than $13, so I’m not opposed to Ellis as a backup-plan.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I am curious to see how Leights will do now that he has a win in the Finals. He did poorly in Game 1, did fine in Game 2, and was serviceable last night. I think / hope that some of his nervousness will subside now that he’s won a game. That could be a pretty big difference-maker.
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haha, I do like it! haha
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Geoff, speaking of likes…ever watch Boston Legal?
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Actually, no. But I used to like Boston Public…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
They are nothing alike…check out Boston Legal. You would love it. James Spader, William Shatner are the two main characters. Spader is incredible in this show. It’s not on anymore but the few seasons it was on…maybe 5, were great television.
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haha, I know they’re nothing alike. I actually don’t enjoy law shows, which is strange. I added Modern Family to my DVR though.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Try it out though…yes it is a law show but it is a comedy as much as it is law based. If you really don’t like it then feel free to call me on it.
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And good call on Modern Family. There is a gay couple on the show, the heavier set guy is absolutely hysterical. He might be the 2nd best character on the entire show behind Ed O’Neill.
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I enjoyed watching Daneyko and Roenick argue about the Byufglien slashing penalty on the Daily Line last night. Daneyko was like, it’s in the book, if you break a player’s stick you go to the box, and Roenick was acting like they should change the rule because he doesn’t like the call on Buff.
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I hate that call as well just because sticks break nowadays under a strong wind gust. Didn’t Hamerljusson (yeah, however you spell it) snap his which almost led to a Briere goal in the 3rd?
I just remember Giroux being the victim of that last year in the Pens series, -game 1, OT, gave the pens a 5-3, which they promptly scored on.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 3, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Buff broke Pronger’s stick on purpose because he was tired of getting cross checked. So, both players are guilty of a rule violation, but the difference is that while the refs may miss the cross-check, they can’t miss the broken stick laying on the ice.
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oh, I agree, the penalty on Buff’s was necessary, but Pronger should have gotten 2 as well, which I think is what JR was saying. It was comical though.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 3, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally agree, and this is why people hate Pronger. He’s smart enough to realize that the slash/stick break is an automatic penalty so he doesn’t go there, but he knows can get away with a bunch of cross-checks which have the intended effect of pissing off the recipient of said cross-checks and causing the desired emotional reaction.
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JR certainly doesn’t lack charisma, and he does have some some comical “fights” with other commentators. I think he honestly thinks the guys he’s talking to have the hockey IQ of a 2 year old (or Ben Eager)
by blackhawkeyes on Jun 3, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he honestly thinks the guys he’s talking to have the hockey IQ of a 2 year old
It’s Milbury. 2 year old might be overly optimistic.
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ahhhh…you’re right. but if milbury is, let’s say 9 months, what does that make McGuire? I’m thinking a few days, but possibly still sperm.
by blackhawkeyes on Jun 3, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Redemption!
I love the quote from Briere “Hartnell doesn’t do pretty.” I and others were close to giving up on Hartnell this season. He was, and still is my current favorite Flyer. I hope he keeps playing like this. Go Flyers
nah Hartnell’s wife is just hawt and Carter is a player. Hartnell has 13pts in playoffs. The Hartnell-Briere-Leino line is just awesome right now. They have great chemistry
by historywillbemade on Jun 4, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Sad that Hartnell got booed during intros. He’s been playing really well this postseason and that deserves to be recognized. Forget the regular season stats; that stuff doesn’t matter right now. Donkeys.
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really? The guy has been on fire this round and back to the Boston series.
the behind the back pass to Briere for the first goal was sick. That alone should earn him huge respect.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 3, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t notice the boos during intros for Hartnell and I was at the game. Are you sure his name wasn’t introduced as the Blackhawks took the ice…
Everyone in my section was talking about how he has really stepped his game up in the playoffs, or more so returned to form.
It sure sounded like boos on the video on 700level.com. He was introduced right before Leino, who received resounding applause. I wasn’t there, so different sections might have heard differently.
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I would guess it coincided with when the Blackhawks took the ice. I sit in the section behind the Flyers bench, and can’t really see when the opposing team first takes the ice, but I noticed the cheers go to boos immediately. I don’t know when that happened exactly, but my guess would be that’s what the boos were, b/c the boos filled the stadium as soon as the Hawks took the ice, which was at some point during intros. So I think what you saw/heard in the video was misleading.
OK, thanks for clarifying. I mean, I’m not trying to start anything, but outsiders watching that use it as fuel to show how “classless” we are as a fanbase in booing our own players in the Final.
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Yeah, I mean from my angle I can’t say how it was exactly timed out, but I know all of a sudden the massive boos made me turn my head, and I saw Hawks taking the ice. So, if I were to guess what happened, that’s what it was, b/c most of us were still clapping and cheering when the boos started. Everyone was really fired up, and they were very supportive of the team last night. The worst reaction to anything Flyers was the nervous silence after Kane’s goal. Other than that, it was all cheering and supporting the home team and booing the away team or officials.
I hate to ruin tomorrow’s fly by, but the guys over at C&B do an awesome job of charting the game…
If you go based on the 3 game recaps, Hawks fans should feel lucky they are up 2-1.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 3, 2010 12:58 PM EDT reply actions
I’m kind of sad no one has jumped on this yet.
Seriously, the C&B is amazing and anything that says:
For three consecutive games, the Flyers have outchanced the Blackhawks by a 4:3 margin or better. For three consecutive games the Flyers haven’t looked out of place. In fact, for three consecutive games, the Flyers have been the better team everywhere except between the pipes.
is worth reading…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Copper & Blue has had some of the best reads this post season when I’ve gone fishing for other stuff to look at off of BSH. I have really enjoyed all the linked pieces you’ve put of from them. This is another winner.
So I guess it’s not just us?
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Not at all.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
hence my concern over our netminding.
Anyway, it’s nice to see that we aren’t getting run over, but we’re actually the better team despite the score on the scoreboard and the 2-1 deficit. Obviously, I hope that it’s 2-2 after tomorrow night.
Like I’ve said before, I think the Hawks need to win this series in 5. If they don’t, I don’t see them winning game 6 and I see them as having a distinct disadvantage in Game 7 if that is the case.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 3, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s true. This series is really really close and the only reason Blackhawks are up is Niemi.
by historywillbemade on Jun 3, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
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Fun Fact
Since the lockout, the leader in Slashes, spearing, and unsportsmanlike conduct penalties combined is………………….Danny Briere, with a total of 159. what a goon haha
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No
But it does support the fact that he’s known to be a fairly dirty player. When you’re that little, you have to get an advantage somehow and he does.
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Yep, we’ve had several discussions about this exact thing actually. Last one I remember was during the Boston series.
I still like him. Sue me.
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That doesn’t mean I don’t curse at him when he clips a goalie or gets caught with a slash though haha
I curse at him when he gets caught, anyway. He gets away with a lot more.
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No suprise here he has to do something, what is he 3 foot 6 on skates?
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Well, who knows how accurate the stats are—they say he’s 5’10", but I’ve never met him in person, so can’t verify. Most hockey players are big, though, so he would always look small by comparison at that height. It’s like 6’ Allen Iverson against the backdrop of NBA players—6’ ain’t short, but it is in NBA world.
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As another different-sport comparison, I went to Phillies Spring Training in 2009 and saw Victorino standing next to Ryan Howard. Ryan Howard is an enormous man in every way. Shane is about 5’8". It was like the movie “Twins”.
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Danny is about 5’8", he is just as tall as me (I have a picture of me and him. another short person was Desjardins. I was 12 when I saw him is disney world, and he was only about two feet taller then me then.
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Im the kid in the blue in the front, ED is the tall guy
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 3, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Living here in DC, Caps fans are always bringing up the spearing call on Briere against Ovechkin (when Briere was a Sabre), but they’re blind to the crap Ovechkin pulls (do the names Campbell or Kaleta ring a bell?).
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Or the fact that it was retaliation?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Darkside....
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Dreger says that Ladd could be in for the Hawks, and JVR could be back in for Carcillo in game 4: http://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/15342317165
JVR > Carcillo, but if thats the case, whats the chance we resign Carcillo for next year?
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still an RFA, should only receive a small increase to slightly more than $1M/year. I can’t imagine he doesn’t get re-signed.
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I can. Now I love Carcillo, was even one of the very few that liked him when he got traded, but I would rather use the 1 mil on a guy thats gonna play all season AND postseason, not just a guy thats plays in the regular season. Also, whats the reports from Upshall, he said on Twitter that hes healthy, but what are the chances that Phx resigns him, cause I would love him back in Orange.
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See, I think Carcillo can play fine in the postseason. He had a rough game yesterday, but he was very solid in the first three rounds when he was on the ice, I thought. He’s also a guy that is still maturing and becoming a better player every year. I think for the $1M, he’s well worth having.
As for Scottie, all reports are that his rehab is going well and his knee keeps getting stronger. He’s certainly been getting around enough recently, so I hope so. I can’t speculate on what’s going on with the Phoenix front office because of the ownership fiasco, but I believe the odds of him not signing with the Coyotes (he’s also an RFA) are between slim and none.
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well, it comes down to who would we rather have, Asham or Carcillo? Now like I said, I like Carcillo as a person more, but Asham is a better leader, defender, and scorer then Carcillo. Plus, Carcillo only seems to have chemistry with Richards, where Asham can produce with anyone he plays with.
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Not sure that they can’t afford to keep both. Neither of these guys are going to break the bank.
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well, we need to be able to resign Carter, Giroux, JVR, and Carel soon, so I assume that the organization will try and get those guys under contract before they start signing 4th line guys.
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So next season, we need two forwards, two defensemen, and a goalie, with Carter, Giroux, and Gagne having next season as the last on their contract, and JVR and Carel with two years left. now we have two D-men that could be up as early as next season, so even if you take them out, you still need two forwards and a Goalie to sign before next season with 5 key players that will need extensions soon.
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Carcillo should get like a 1-2 year deal, nothing more. I think we are going to run into a problem when Giroux, Gagne, Carter, and Leino come up for contracts next year. Leino to me looks amazing right now, and I can see why the Wings were so high on him, but we haven’t a large sample size to go off so it’s too soon to talk about what to do with him. I can only see us keeping 3 of them and the biggest decision will be Giroux or Carter. I can definitely see Carter getting traded.
by historywillbemade on Jun 3, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
well, I can see Gagne taking a pay cut, because hes not gonna gett near what hes getting somewhere else anyway. Plus, I think he likes it here too. I also think Leino wont cost more then 1.5-2 mill anyway.
Anyway, Cap geek has a prjected cap of $56.8 mill next year, and the Flyers will have 48 mill under contract, giving them about 8 mill next season. Lets say Giroux goes from 1 mil to 4 mill, and carter stays at 5, you now have 5 mil, and say Leino signs at 1.5, you have 3.5 mil. Say Asham/Carcillo sign for a mil, you now have 2.5 to spend on a goalie and another forward.
Now, If they trade Hartnell for Bernier(or other AHL goalie), that frees another 4.2 mil, giving us 6.7 mil to spend, and say we sign said goalie to a long term, 3 mil a year, that gives us about 3.5 Mil in Cap to sign 1 forward, or bring up Nodl or Ross for 4th line.
So a full roster with Carter and Giroux, with over 3 mill in cap, and thats without the fact that the Cap will most likley rise
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Hard to project cap 2 years down the road for when (I think) some of these contracts are for. I don’t disagree with the general prognosis, but just not sure about all the numbers. For example, as much as we love Giroux, I find it hard to imagine he would get 4 M/year unless he does something tremendous next year.
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well, I used the highest possible salery i could think of, we could have more then 3 mil maybe upwards to 6-7 mil. I was just using that to say we could afford both Giroux and Carter
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I gotcha. I think we are in agreement though, that, generally the Flyers can afford to sign these guys with a bit of tinkering. They’re not in the cap situation that Chicago finds themselves in, at least.
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I actually thought this last night, that if the guy is going to get scratched in the playoffs, why resign him, but he is a very nice depth player and every organization needs those types of guys for the long season
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 3, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Could depend on how much Asham wants and if Asham wants to stay which I think he will since from what I read he likes Laviolette a lot.
Cap issues over-rated for next season ...
Asham is also significantly older than Carcillo. While I actually like both players, if I had to choose I’d keep Carcillo on that basis alone. But I agree with the analysis by JpH – I think these two aren’t going to be bank-breakers regardless. The only question mark comes with any Phantoms that may be looking for a promotion. Gagne should take a pay cut in a year, but I’d like to see him retire as a Flyer. The UFAs for next season are Krajicek, Asham, and Leighton; the RFAs are Coburn, Carcillo, Parent, and Powe. (Not to mention Phantoms UFAs Syvret, Dingle, Pyorala, Backlund, and Ross or RFAs Matsumodo, Laliberte, and Teslak). Now if we figure that we let Krajicek walk but resign Leighton and Asham, then Coburn, Powe, and Carcillo are tendered offers, I figure they’ve spent $5.8 million or so. I’d also move Cote for a pick (as long as he agrees to leave Holly here). That leaves +/- $3 million in the bank, with only one defense spot open on the third pairing; maybe Syvret gets his chance (which would leave some $ for Phantom moves too). So you’d be looking at a very similar lineup to this year’s – Gagne, Richards, Carcillo; Hartnell, Carter, Briere; JVR, Giroux, Leino; Lappy, Betts, Asham/Powe. I like keeping Powe as the spare forward, since he is comfortable at either wing and plays physical without just being a brawler like Cote. Defense would be Pronger/Carle, Timonen/Coburn, Bartulis/Syvret. Goalies are Leights and Boosh.
I’d take that lineup! Then the following year, resign Carter at around the $5 million he already gets, give Gagne a longer but cheaper contract, give Leino and G raises. It will all work out – promise! Homer looked crazy at times with these moves in the past, but I have (to paraphrase Lavvy) full confidence!
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 3, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty funny sign from last night.
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No Kane and cabbies signs? I was sure there would be some of those and I’m kind of disappointed.
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just as a sidenote: the game recap last night over at SCH is pretty epic
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What’s the major source of their anger? Penalties? Q’s moves?
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this just in…it’s not only gmh that has a little edge
by blackhawkeyes on Jun 3, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
she does make a great point with this though:
“Both teams are tough to play against because, like Whack-a-Mole, you can’t smack them all down at the time. May it continue.”
I use to love Whack-a-Mole…..
by puppetmasterp on Jun 3, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
It deserves a link
I thought it was great work. Just be aware that there are a lot of comments, which means it might not be for you if a) your browser gets slowed by such things or b) you’re not prepared to hear (by some, and only in the comments) that the Flyers are terrible and should feel honored the Blackhawks have deemed us worthy of not being swept.
I know better than to take that personally, since every fan base has those kinds of fans. Still, I (sports) HATE those kinds of fans.
and mini-rant aside, it’s a great, great read and should not be diminished by the participation of others.
I actually liked it. And the screen-cap breakdown confirms what I had been saying all along. Duncan Keith may have made the wrong play, but pretty much any move he made would have been criticized.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Really? The object isn’t to get the puck in the net still?
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It was about time that the Flyers got their dues for their efforts in the Stanley – I’ll make a point of stopping by here more often from here on out. My undue absence since leaving school coincided with the Flyers snagging the East, and I had only just started reading on here again yesterday… so I’ll be by again tomorrow : )
An excellent game last night, and it goes without saying (but I’ll spit it out anyways) that the “superior and infallible” Hawks have now been seen bleeding, same as any other team. Keep making them bleed for 3 more. And if I had spare change, I’d definitely pick up a Pronger jersey right about now. I was a real fan of the guy in his time with Anaheim, and Philadelphia is now reaping the rewards from one heck of a good player.
GO FLYERS!
Just saw this Tweet by Sarah Baicker:
Seriously, though, Leino wasn’t happy with his time on ice – and he thought he could sneak it past the American media!Here is her post on it on CSNPhilly.com
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Despite his apparent ignorance for the cap and draft picks, Homer can swindle other GMs with trades.
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lol Homer just makes other gms look terrible. For example, best trade deadline pickup was Leino for any team and Homer basically got him as a gift while teams like NJ blew their future load on Kovy
by historywillbemade on Jun 3, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Certainly the performance of Leino in the postseason made him a great pickup, but I’d still argue that Don Maloney made killings at the trade deadline picking up Wolski and Stempniak…couldn’t get through the Red Wings, but next year…
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Yeah I liked what Phoenix did too. But they had to give up Mueller to the Av’s. How did he completely lose value I thought he was a good prospect?
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Yeah, he certainly found his game with Colorado as well. The team screwed him up a bit. After his rookie season, they told him to bulk up…so he put on 15 pounds in the offseason. But then he was a bit too slow to be a difference maker, so he trimmed back a bit. He didn’t have the same season. The big issue was that he got concussed late in the year and was just never the same in the corners. With Tippett coming in, he just didn’t want to play that defensive-first style and he was a healthy scratch a few nights. Apparently at that point he asked for a trade and shut down. I was happy for him that he played better in Colorado (along with Kevin Porter, who also didn’t get a fair shot here). Maloney also gave up Chad Kolarik who could be good. But I think on the whole, he got a lot of return.
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Like what he did with Nashville in 06/07
That was downright dirty
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 3, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Just to recap, I think it was the Flyers trade Peter Forsberg at the deadline to Nashville for Scottie Upshall, Ryan Parent, a 1st round pick and a 3rd round pick. At the end of the season, the Flyers trade Nashville’s 1st rounder back to them in exchange for the rights to Kimmo Timonen and Scott Hartnell, who are promptly signed by the Flyers to long-term deals. Forsberg does not re-sign with Nashville. Flyers win.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 3, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Who did Nashville pick with their first, do you know?
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Looked it up
Jonathan Blum…AHL prospect right now.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 3, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Carcillo
Put Dan back on Gagne, Richards line and give him the minutes he was getting earlier in the play offs and watch that line start to produce.The key though is Lavy has to let him take his regular turn with the rest of the line and play the 3rd period.( please see Carcillo’s game winning overtime goal early play offs.Also every move the guy makes is magnified by fans, media and coach. There are certainly other players who make their share of mistakes or take poorly timed penalties—-Richards, Pronger, Hartnell—-.Dan makes a mistake everyone wants to sit him or make him inactive.You leave that line together for next year ,let Carcillo get his full minutesand I think give him some Power Play time, that line will put up the points and Dan has the ability to get 20 goals himself.As for Cote,if we get anything in a trade for him I would be amazed, the guy just doesn’t have a lot of hockey skills.GO FLYERS we win in 7.
Carcillo has seemed really off lately and I believe he is hurt but I think that there is something to be said about breaking up the super line of Gagne-Richards-Carter bc it hasn’t been working. Obviously you don’t touch the Briere line at this point, but I can see good in putting Carter down on the 3rd line with Giroux as long as they keep Asham on that line as Asham makes space, Giroux makes the plays, and Carter does his sniper thing. However, I think maybe 1st line just needs more time to gel and that Lavvy is more likely to put JVR back in for Carbomb and then leave the lines as is with JVR returning to G’s wing
by historywillbemade on Jun 4, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
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