Friday Morning Fly By: Tie It Up
by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 4, 2010 10:32 AM EDT
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- Previews of tonight's game: [NHL.com] [CSNPhilly] [Second City Hockey]
- Game 3 was the most-watched Finals game on cable since 2002: [Puck Daddy]
- Anthony SanFilippo tries to rank the best Flyers games of the past 15 years. I'm a little disappointed with his ranking: [In The Room]
- The Flyers have been winning the special teams battle: [CSNPhilly]
- Ville Leino wanted more ice time. He received more than any forward in Game 3 and earned every second of it. [CSNPhilly]
- From Justin Bourne: "Laviolette was a good mid-season acquisition for the Flyers, and if his team can match his ability to operate under a controlled burn, they'll have a lot better chance of coming all the way back in the finals." [Puck Daddy]
- More on Laviolette and his tendency to wear out his welcome: [CSNPhilly]
- Oskars Bartulis must be the happiest person alive: "The coach has more confidence in the more experienced guys", he explains. "That's it. I don't care how much I play. The main thing is we won [Game 3]." [EuroFlyers]
- Chris Pronger is fine with being a villain, but is Chicago lodging complaints about his play? [CSNPhilly]
- More on Pronger's villainous nature, including how the NHL is learning to market it: [Puck Daddy]
- Asking if Pronger is getting in the Blackhawks' heads: [Daily News]
- The Hartnell - Briere - Leino line has been getting a lot of much deserved press lately. Here's one about the "Redemption Line": [Inquirer]
- Scott Hartnell had to overcome some off-ice issues, but he did: [Daily News]
- And now he's at the heart of that line's resurgence: [DelcoTimes]
- Leino is having a fine Playoffs: [Daily News]
- Peter Laviolette finally sees the Richards line coming to life: [DelcoTimes]
- With Nicklas Lidstrom re-signing with the Red Wings, the question arises - when do you call it a career? [From The Rink]
- Apparently God wants the Flyers to win the Cup. But more importantly, is that Monty G, better known for doing the Phanatic Dance in the background?! [Puck Daddy]
- The Flyers placed Patrick Thoresen on waivers. [euroflyers]
- How to prevent the Winter Classic from becoming a perpetual "that team AGAIN" problem: [From the Rink]
- After grilling Gary Bettman the night before, Hockey Night in Canada broadcaster Ron MacLean helped save a man drowning in the Delaware River. [Puck Daddy]
- But what was he thinking while doing it? "Hey, why did the water just rise up and part down the middle ... oh cool, Roy Halladay is here!" [Down Goes Brown]
- A Pittsburgh politician introduced a bill requesting the whole Commonwealth support the Flyers. Whaaaaaa? [Puck Daddy]
- Pretty sweet video of Matt ("Moonshot") Stairs teaching Jenny Cavnar the basics of hockey: [Hockey or Die]
- Here we must ask, who is the better fan: Flyers Superfan Not Allowed in U.S. [CBC] or Adorable Name Dropping Girl [ABC]?
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Adorable Name Dropping Girl wins
Solely for “PWECO Pwower Pway!”
I love the Flyers so much I even went to Bobby Clarke Day Camp.
Scott Hartnell
Anyone know what his recent off ice issues were? I know on the ice it’s staying on his feet… Was he pulling a Lupul and being lazy or is there something more? I want the dirt.
there was a thing last summer but i don’t know if that is the issue – a damaging and totally incorrect blog about harts personal life that must have got a million hits.
i remember that.. and was hoping they were unrelated. I’m still a little bitter about how rod the bod’s “off ice issues”, thanks to mr lindros, got him shipped out of town.
So maybe there was some truth to that nasty little story about Carter and Hartnell’s smoking hot wife
by historywillbemade on Jun 4, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
This article says it’s that he broke up with his wife, but i don’t know if that’s for real information or just the cuckolded-by-Carter meme coming around again.
This is what I was thinking while reading that article. I have no idea if it’s true or not, but I would really have to guess that it was relationship issues with his wife. That seems to be the kind of thing you wouldn’t talk to the press about, but would have a huge impact on your game. If it was an illness to someone in the family I’m sure he would say something.
"Chris Pronger sneaked in the back door...banged it home."
Flyers Television Play-by-Play Man: Jim Jackson
He’s not the only one, I heard, while most of them could just be rumors, family issues could have been the cause of a lot of the team’s inconsistencies this season.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 4, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Really we should stop allowing players to get married/produce children/have parents that get sick. It only leads to trouble.
I agree, haha. At least if we want them to consistently be champions.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 4, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Adorabale Name Dropping Girl
Simply because the other guy was wearing a black jersey. Black must go.
In order
- That list is weak. Where’s the fight night vs Ottawa game? What about the amazing regular season comeback against Carolina down 5-1 in the 3rd period.
*We got what we wanted…more Villie Leino!
- I love Chris Pronger and his media pwnability. The man is just a master.
- Does that article on Hartnell’s off-ice issues scream “Drugs & Alcohol” to anyone else?
- DGB is hilarious
- Although it might not be the popular choice I have to go with the Torontonian superfan because he’s cognizant of what he’s doing. The girl is adorable and fun but she doesn’t really get the Flyers yet. She’s just memorizing, but let’s face it, it’s probably the best thing to memorize. Btw, where the eff was youtube when I was a kid, I was cuter than her and I could have named all the Flyers by number too. Stupid technology!
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I was going to reply to DGB about his “Pronger stole the life jackets”……..but Prongs stole my comment, too
by Pocono Flyers Fan on Jun 4, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
That Toronto super fan just scared the shit out of me.
- Trying to sing the song at the beginning and not knowing the words was hilarious, but creepy.
- He’s not alowed in the US and wouldn’t say why…even more creepy.
- He was just flat out weird.
"Chris Pronger sneaked in the back door...banged it home."
Flyers Television Play-by-Play Man: Jim Jackson
http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/0/y/Q/athfcarl.jpg
Forgot how to add an image here… But that’s the first thing I thought of when I saw him.
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My list for Geoff
1. Geoff, what games would you put on Sanfillippo’s list that he missed. I remember almost all of those games and they were all barn burners for sure. In response to some of the suggestions of regular season games being there, while I can appreciate them, they don’t carry the magnitude of playoff games.
2. I wonder if Bourne is still Mario’s favorite hockey writer now that he is on the Lavy bandwagon?
3. Pronger is just f’ing awesome. Win or lose the guy has given me my entertainment value in spades. Not much more needs to be said about him.
4. Off ice issues? Really? Nah, couldn’t be…i think this article goes a long way to explaining in my mind that Hartnell’s year was an aberration vs. the sign of what he really is like as a player.
5. Winter Classic should be different teams every year. Why not invite the warm weather teams so they get a shot. For example, you could have Colorado vs. SJ or something like that. I think regardless of star power, you got to rotate.
6. Was Matt Stairs wearing a Penn State hat?
7. Adorable girl reciting names for one reason only. The Canadian dude was blasting Nickleback which is an automatic FAIL.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 4, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions
Sanfillippo apparently thinks that the Hextall was still playing for Flyers in 2003. I mean I know Cechmanek went batsh*t crazy but he was awesome for awhile. Interesting stat: Cechmanek is Flyers’ all-time leader in GAA
by historywillbemade on Jun 4, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i forgot that part too (re. Hextall goof).
cheechpanic was actually my favorite Flyer goalie, I don’t know why, the guy was borderline insane…maybe that’s why.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 4, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I owe an Orange Cechmanek jersey (I got it for $30 at modells). That guy was crazy and enjoyed playing it with his head.
by historywillbemade on Jun 4, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
A 5 goal comeback in the third is historical whether it means advancing in a playoff or not. That game was amazing.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jun 4, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
it was, but it didn’t mean anything. I remember dvr’ing that game, coming in from the store, seeing we were down 5-1 and just going in the other room to clean up with the TV on. Then I heard the Flyers score, watched the replay, left, heard them score again, came in to watch the replay, left, until it was like 5-4…then I watched the rest. It was a great game, but with so many epic nail biters in the playoffs the last 10 years, it doesn’t make my top 10.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 4, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s not so much the games that are missing (I’m terrible at remembering games and saying “He forgot THAT one!”), even though I am disappointed one isn’t there, it’s the ordering of the games.
- I think Wednesday’s game is far too high
- The five-overtime game is far too low
- And I think Game 3 from 2000 ECF (or 4, if you prefer) should be on there. That series was epic, even though they lost.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 4, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I think which ever game that series that featured Boosh’s save. That save sticks with me today.
by historywillbemade on Jun 4, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Game 3. That’s where I was going with it too.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 4, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I would agree, I kept looking for the 5-OT game.
Wednesday’s game deserves a high slot if they a) make this a series of 6 or 7 games or b) win this series because this would be considered the turning point.
I agree with the 2000 ECF game as well.
Maybe one of the games vs. Montreal in the 2008 run should have been there, like the game 2 win in Montreal or game 3 win.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 4, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Or game 5…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 4, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
That Ottawa fight game needs to be there that is probably the last regular season game Comcast broadcast as an Encore the following evening prime-time. But the 2000 and 2004 run have tons of great games. The 5 OT game and Andy Delmore game were awesome.
But the problem is that the Ottawa fight game wasn’t a great “game”. It had a great ending, but not because of hockey.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 4, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
That game meant a lot because OTT owned us for a long time and knocked us out of the playoffs . That game was huge for the team and marked a turning point for me leading up the 2004 run. The list is for greatest Flyers game and that game personified Flyers hockey. JJ quote was great and I will never forget. “They are winning the game and the fights too.” Plus it holds a recored and responsible for a NHL rule change.
yeah, game 5 was great too. I remember seeing that we were losing 4-3 or maybe it was tied at 4…and then Harts scored to give us the lead (I think it was hartnell). Yeah, that was an exciting game.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 4, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
What about Game 82 this season? If the flyers go on to win this thing, that game will go down in the history books. I mean it’s already going to be remembered for a long time but Claude Giroux and Boucher (he already is to an extent thanks to the 2000 run and save) become folk heroes in Philly if they can do this thing
by historywillbemade on Jun 4, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a good point. That was a pretty good game.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 4, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
my only problem with that game is that it may be remembered more around the nhl than any other game this run. the media will always point and say Flyers got in bc a shootout win in the last game of the season and then shootout haters will say that Flyers didn’t deserve this (of course they forget that if you go by any other way of doing the standings the flyers still make the playoffs in the east).
by historywillbemade on Jun 4, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but we know better :)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 4, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I just reread the list and Game 4 from the Boston series isn’t on there. WTF? how does that game not make this list?
by historywillbemade on Jun 4, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
How is game 4 of the Boston series not on this list? wtf?
by historywillbemade on Jun 4, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked them both. Thought it showed how awsome Flyers fans are anywhere. I think that guy wanted a orange one but would look like a giant orange on TV in it. I did think why did he get black. My three year old runs around on the replay on NHL network. Yelling Flyers Flyers Go Flyers.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
he should have gone with something current though instead of the Roenick.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 4, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I really do enjoy this “We swear Pronger’s not in our heads…but dammit we hate that guy….im sick of him…..but I SWEAR hes not in our heads!”
does he get preferential treatment from the refs? no shit. so do Toews, Kane, Crosby, Ovechkin, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Tom Brady, and any other superstar in any sport. Prongers been the best player of the series so far for eather team
lol, for fun I go over to SCH and read all the comments about Pronger and laugh. It didn’t take long for Chi fans to hate Pronger.
by historywillbemade on Jun 4, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
JVR or Carbomb?
Anyword on if Carcillo is being replaced by JVR tonight after not playing the last 2 periods?
I vote Carcillo. Not to play the role of MarioD (Who seems to have dissapeared ever since the Flyers started winning) but JVR really looked lost out there his last couple of games. Atleast Carcillo brings a physical presence, even if it does border insanity at times
My only problem with carcillo is he was a waste of a player on wednesday seeing how he was benched for the 3rd and OT
As lost as JVR Lavy still has enough faith to put him out there
Please Lavvy make it happen. Giroux plays better with JVR on his wing
by historywillbemade on Jun 4, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
The real lineup change that needs to be made is Carter needs to be taken off the top line. Put Giroux or Carcillo up there and let Carter center a line with Asham and Giroux/Carcillo
i wouldnt mind seeing a giroux/gagne/briere combination once in a while. did anyone notice wedn. richards played one shift with leino and hartnell… lavy should mix it up now and then
I wouldn’t be against the idea of moving Carter to the third line, if JVR plays on that line instead of Carcillo. This is far from a knock on Carcillo, but I just think JVR would be better suited to playing with someone like Carter.
I agree with this. Put “what’s his name” on the first line and let Carter center JVR and Asham.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 4, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if I agree with having Carter and JVR on the same line. They both love to shoot the puck as much as humanly possible, so either JVR will take shots away from Carter or vice versa. I do want Carter centering the third line, but I would prefer it with Giroux and Asham/Carcillo.
"Chris Pronger sneaked in the back door...banged it home."
Flyers Television Play-by-Play Man: Jim Jackson
It is not about penalties with Carcillo it is about the turnovers. Too many times he turned the puck over on the breakout in our on zone and too many times he didn’t get it deep turning it over that the opposition blueline going back the other way. As long as Toews and Kane are doing anything I am with Carter up there with Gagne and Richie they are canceling out the best Chicago line which is huge.
Penalties are a concern for me, especially considering Carbomb will get things called on him that almost anyone else wouldn’t (e.g., the boarding call). I wouldn’t not play him because of that, but because of the turnovers and sloppy play in general, like you said.
If we want to even talk about Carter centering the third line, the last thing you want is a player playing loose with the puck and creating turnovers when Carter’s clearly not healthy enough to chase down opponents on breakaways. Strangely/surprisingly, I trust JVR more here than I do Carcillo.
or faceplanting himself behind the next with no hawk within 50 ft of him
by historywillbemade on Jun 4, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
This is just completely full of win. Puck Daddy post about a Blackhawks bandwagon song. I almost started crying from laughing.
"Chris Pronger sneaked in the back door...banged it home."
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Pens fans rooting for the Flyers? No, thanks. Don’t want their bad juju.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
Me, neither. I actively rooted against them the last two season. If pressed, I’ll root for the Steelers (such as Steelers-Cards SB). Never, never the Pens.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
I have to admit that I rooted for the Pens the last 2 SC Finals. Only because my level of hate for the RW’s exceeds everything else.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 4, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually hate the Pens more, but would have preferred a meteor falling on the ice.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
Why hate on DET yeah the win a lot and beat us in 97 but they play out West. Pittsburg knocked us out the last two years, they have Crosby, and their fans are a major suck undeserved of a hockey franchise period. Now they got a cup and a giant new stadium and a second winter classic. Fuck Pittsburgh.
it’s a long story, but it involves the 97 cup finals, me and their fans. I will forever hate them. Pittsburgh fans have done nothing to me personally at the level of RW’s fans.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 4, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Steelers-Seagulls SB – i was rooting for a close game at least… Steelers-Cards was a great SB – i think i was going with the cards and laughed at the fact holmes got mvp since he was such a bum on my fantasy team that year.
I couldn’t root for the Cards because they knocked us out and don’t want AZ getting a SB before us…Steelers already have so many what’s one more. It’s not like their fans can get any more arrogant. Better them than the Cowboys.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
that guy isn’t getting re-elected. We don’t need pens fans. I loathe the pens with all of my being and I’m pretty sure the feeling is mutual. I want the Flyers to win the cup not just for Philly and the burbs but so that we can shove it in the face of the nhl and pens fans
by historywillbemade on Jun 4, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Not if it was made by someone from Pittsburgh.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
I was just saying that if it had been, which I know it wasn’t, I wouldn’t like it as much. At least not right now.
Shit, I have an official ban on deep dish and hot dogs in my house right now.
Worst thing is I have a personal calendar that I make up every year, and June has our photos from last June’s vacation, which was to—you guessed it—Chicago! I’m looking at those photos now, and trying not to growl.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
Deep dish is overrated anyway. As long as we don’t play against an Italian team and I don’t have to boycott Neapolitan-style pizza (thin crust) then I’m good.
Speaking of pizza, one of my all-time favorite YouTube videos has to be the one Red Sox fan throwing pizza at another and having the commentators discuss it on instant replay.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I wish my Google Alerts would come sooner:
But want a scary thought? Colin Campbell was offered the GM job over Paul Holmgren and he almost took it: [ESPN]
The Hawks are suffering from the chess match: [Chicago Sun Times]
Some love for the Flyers penalty-killing trio: [NHL.com]
Another story on the Hartnell – Briere – Leino line, this time calling them the “makeshift line”: [USA Today]
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 4, 2010 12:47 PM EDT reply actions
I think we might see a completely different blackhawk team tonight, right from their work on the ice, to coach Q not trying to outthink himself.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 4, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
WIP REPORTING JVR WILL PLAY.
They did not confirm if Carcillo would be out they alluded to some type of injury. Who did not skate today???
I don’t buy that crap from the Hawks fans saying that the Hawks have been playing down to the Flyers. This Flyers team is just as good as the Hawks, if not better.
by historywillbemade on Jun 4, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
The Flyers didn’t choke are won’t like all the other teams they played. Remember the retarded Erat play, Chicago should have got bounced round 1.
certainly...
the hawks got a lucky break in game six, but you just can’t say the Hawks would have gotten bounced in round 1 if they go down 3 games to 2.
You can’t say that CHI would have won out for sure either. That loss was so deflating to the Predators.
i didn't say otherwise
as much as Boston’s game 3 win against you guys might have been “deflating”, someone forgot to turn out your lights.
Every fanbase has those bitter fans that don’t really understand the game or what they are seeing—they also don’t understand how matchups work. They aren’t playing down to the Flyers; the Flyers are playing on their level. Smart fans would realize that and appreciate it.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
must be those dumb Blackhawk fans who felt like the Hawks should have been handed the Cup before the series began.
by historywillbemade on Jun 4, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Did anyone...
check out the comments on Puck Daddy under the Pronger videos? They’re pretty funny. They make me love him more and more.
They’re just jealous. If he was on their team, he’d be a hero.
In Latvia, they're rooting for Bartulis' team, the Filadelfijas Flaieri!
I heart Pronger and the hate he gets around the league. I think he has Toews scared to be honest. Captain serious has been Captain invisible in this series
by historywillbemade on Jun 4, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
that's whats great...
a lot of them start off saying he’s a dbag, he’s dirty, i hate him. Then the last thing they all say is… “man i wish he was on my team.”
by joe_digiacomo on Jun 4, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
You… read… comments… on Puck Daddy? Ouch, headache.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 4, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Crap. Of course my typo’s in the part I italicize. Fun. Fun, not fum. I blame this on having a new keyboard.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Matt Stairs is in town and per Leslie Gudel on SportsNite, he says he hopes the Phillies-Pads game is over quickly, so he can get over to the Wach for the 3rd period or OT and catch the rest of the hockey game. I found that humorous.
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