Updated Flyers Playoff Corsi, Fenwick, and Zone Start Numbers

by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 5, 2010 3:52 PM EDT in 2010 Playoffs

With the Stanley Cup Finals now a best-of-three series, now seems as good a time as any to update the files I created on how they got there.

As always, these numbers are available courtesy of the great Vic Ferrari and posted after every game. Since he doesn't compile them on his site, I've taken the job of compiling them myself.

With the great work being done at The Copper & Blue regarding scoring chances, these might seem a little inconsequential. Unfortunately, the scoring chances weren't recorded throughout the playoffs, but if you want to look at Stanley Cup Finals scoring chances, they are a fantastic place to check.

Anyway, I've added percentages to the Corsi and Fenwick tables to give a clearer look at comparing players with less ice time. Additionally, I've added a "Team" score to both tables for easier comparison to the team.

Oh, and these files are in .xls format, so there should be no worries about downloading.

Corsi and Fenwick Table

Zone Start Table

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JVR

How? I don’t see it during the game, but the numbers show he is controlling play. Just, how?

Other interesting things: I’d like to see Timonen improve on his GF/GA ratio of 10:9, I know he missed a lot of time but Carts isn’t really generating goals when he’s on and opponents have missed a lot of shots.

There’s an awful lot more but that’s all I saw on a quick glance.

Great work Geoff.

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by ToddtheFox on Jun 5, 2010 6:17 PM EDT reply actions

My goodness thats terribly written

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by ToddtheFox on Jun 5, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions

Well, to answer JVR: He does get a lot of offensive zone starts, but so does Ville Leino and JVR is controlling the play more. I think the zone starts are a large part of it, but JVR is definitely taking advantage and severely outcontrolling his opposition.

The funny thing about Timonen is that Coburn is at a 13:14 goal ratio, so that pairing is pretty perplexing. They’re playing really well, but not getting the offense we expect out of them. But that just makes Pronger (25:12) and Carle (29:15) all the more impressive.

And you’re definitely right about Carter’s production. It’s really disappointing. Looking at BtN numbers, his GFON/60 is lower than Blair Betts’. That’s a problem. And then when Carter has the highest GAON/60 (with Betts the second highest), that’s even worse.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 5, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Geoff, is there anything showing the time for defensemen based on what line of forwards they’re backing? If Timonen/Coburn have been backing our fourth line and the misfiring Carter, that could explain their low GF:GA ratios.

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by The Dark on Jun 5, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions

I didn’t organize it into a table, but that information is posted in the “Head to Head TOI” link at the top of (most) every recap. It’s not broken down into pairings, but it will show you how much time (in decimal form) a player spent with every other player on the ice.

So for example, in Game 4, Coburn spent 8 minutes with Giroux, 7.1 with Asham, and 6.8 with Briere. All even-strength, and I believe non-empty net situations.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 5, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't get it

How are we supposed to go from this post about Corsi and Zone Starts to arguing about which team’s fans are more worser?

You need to try harder to make sure you include something for everyone next time.

by Eric T. on Jun 5, 2010 7:26 PM EDT reply actions

haha. I’m actually working on a 2007 Draft article saying JVR is not Kane and shouldn’t be compared to him.

Then I see in the recap someone is saying JVR has too high an opinion of himself, so it seems perfect. Especially if you want arguments.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 5, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Sounds cool

I remember your previous comments about JVR’s age and NHL-readiness hitting the mark. Looking forward to a more detailed analysis.

In the meantime, I guess we can just discuss obscure statistics named after people who sound like 18th century English nobles. (“I say, that was quite a rollicking ball at the Fenwick estate last week old chap.”)

by Eric T. on Jun 5, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions

hahaha, hysterical.

But yeah, I’m looking mainly at what players did before getting drafted, what they did after getting drafted, and how they’ve done so far in the NHL.

And Corsi/Fenwick numbers are awesome. They show you just how bad Ryan Parent is.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 5, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions

I guess I should be clear

I do enjoy the advanced stats, and expect/hope that you’ll keep posting them. But that won’t stop me from poking fun at what unlively discussions they provoke.

by Eric T. on Jun 5, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh, no problem. Poke away.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 5, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Toews unavailable to media

NHL Network is reporting that Toews won’t speak to the media, and as you can imagine, the media is having a field day with this. He’s the team captain, and it seems a bit odd to just refuse to speak on behalf of the team and take a few questions.

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by LVHokejs on Jun 5, 2010 10:08 PM EDT reply actions