Flyers Free Agency, July 1 Discussion Thread: Rumors, Trades, Goalies And More
by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 11:30 AM EDT
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PrintToday is the day. Or, maybe it isn't. Either way, we're here and set for all kinds of free agency madness. Will the Flyers sign a goalie today? Will they jump on a defenseman, or maybe a winger?
Here's our coverage so far, so you can catch up with the discussion:
- A free agency cheat sheet
- BSH Radio 23: Goalies, goalies, goalies
- Flyers re-sign Leighton
- A deeper look at the Flyers plans for today
And... here we go.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Nay, plus why would he sign here to play on the 3rd line when he can play on Crosby’s or Malkin’s line?
they’re cutting him loose
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 1, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Yay, worked for the Pens, would work for us
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 1, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
And just twelve months ago he wanted a long-term deal $4-5 million per year. Might have screwed up the rest of his career because of that.
his butterfly defect screwed up the rest of his career, just his salary wishes :)
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 1, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Not surprising but Henrik Tallinder definitely going to market in 30 min, no last-minute deal with Sabres…
Flyers are expected to look into him.
Oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please…..
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Said with enthusiasm, not sarcasm. :)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank goodness for BSH. I’m not allowed to see the twitter feed compilation over on Puck Daddy, but I know you guys are going to bring all the updates i need. :)
Id like Nabokov, but if Dan Ellis only wants 4 mil over 2 years, then that has to be the go to option
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by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
With Ellis, you can see Leighton getting a decent number of starts. Whichever goes on a hot streak, you play them. The odds of both going soft at the same time are minimal, especially if the Flyers upgrade at 5th D-man.
The only things I’d say are that Armstrong better not want more money than his current salary, and that Michalek may be a better pairing for Bartulis (unless they’re looking for someone to play with Timonen and Cobie moves to 5th D).
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I am going to be missing all the fun, I will be leaving for the airport shortly.
Hopefully, someway I can commandeer a laptop or TV from someone. :P
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we’re not moving Carter, so nothing probably.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I just read the Ducks might (I emphasize might) make a push for Kovalchuk, which may be contributing to the delays on Ryan’s new contract.
Ooooooooooooh.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
…which means Homer wins that one! :)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
So we essentially get a 3rd rounder for Parent, plus don’t we get Nashville’s 7th if he signs with anybody but us? I say that’s a win for us.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jul 1, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course. But one can hope he gets moved somewhere else. Either way we got a decent draft pick.
by LegionofDoom on Jul 1, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Shhhh! ;)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Marc Staal for Coburn?
Any thoughts on this. Coburn wants Staal money, but he isnt worth it and the flyers hopefully wont give it to him.
But oddly the Rangers dont feel Staal is worth it. A little swap of rights eh?
If we move Carcillo, let go of Asham, and move Boosh, and get Ellis for only 2 mil or so.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 11:41 AM EDT reply actions
i mean here’s the thing. If the flyers are faced with losing Coburn b/c they dont want to overspend and the rangers are faced with losing Staal.
Despite the interdivsion, it’s a feasible great option for both teams. Staal would be money here. And Coburn is still a solid player. If Staal were to walk and the rangers fans get nothing, they might be more pissed about that. Staal would be a flyer, but at least they have a good defenseman with great potential in Coburn.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Coburn will go a bit cheaper than Staal, so the rangers would probably be willing to spend that, at that point especially if they were unable to keep Staal. And Coburn isnt a bad consolation prize.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, they told Asham they’re not re-signing him. He said he was told the Flyers wanted to keep him but they weren’t sure it would work under the salary cap. Asham said he wanted to say, but he understands, no hard feelings, etc.
They need a more offensive guy on that 3rd line Asham can’t keep up we Giroux and JVR or if I had my way Carter and JVR.
There was a time when your 3rd line was your checkers and grinders … And I hope you mean moving van Riemsdyk up and not Carter down. He is not a #3 center on any team.
But ...
The advantage of moving Carter to the “third” line actually means that the “top” line would be Hartnell-Briere-Leino, the “second” line would be JVR-Carter-Giroux, and the “third” line would be Gagne-Richards-Carcillo/FA. Seems like a familiar scenario … oh right – the Penguins!!! And in fact, I think it woudl be a huge boon to roll three fully capable lines like that (I was arguing for it last season already, when no one knew if Giroux would be a real threat).
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Today should be interesting. After the Leighton signing, I wonder whether we sign a Turco/Nabokov type. Leighton deserves to be the starter. He could have easily left and been the surefire starter in Columbus, Atlanta or a number of other places. Seems unfair to relegate him to backup after all he did last season. Unfortunately (maybe?), this means we would likely not sign a Nabokov, who I hardly think would sign to be a veteran backup to Leighton. Thoughts? Does the Leighton signing mean no goalie today? Or does Leighton go back to backup status (undeservedly?)?
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Leighton does not deserve to be the starter. He did well, but this isnt a charity case. We need a better goalie. Our defense made him look better than what he is.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
why didnt he leave then? to a place where he KNEW he’d start? Why take the chance at being a backup again? Does he love us that much?
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by chillicothe20 on Jul 1, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
why isnt he a starter in Columbus (or another losing team)?
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by chillicothe20 on Jul 1, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think they are giving up on Steve Mason yet there. And in ATL, I think they think Pavelec is worth taking a longer look at.
by SteelBirdFlyer on Jul 1, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed. you put Leighton on a team without Timmonen and Pronger, and he’s no starter.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess I give him too much credit for last season. If we bring in a solid other goalie, I don’t mind Leights as the backup (actually that is great depth). I just feel he will be a bit shafted just sitting all the time.
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by chillicothe20 on Jul 1, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
if he is good enough, he will play. if he isn’t, then he will be a back-up. it’s up to him, so how is that shafted? you can’t award him because he did alright last year…
he was a great starter last season, and had he not been hurt, we might have been a much higher seed (4/5) in the playoffs. In the end, our being the 7 was better, but we didnt foresee that.
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by chillicothe20 on Jul 1, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
he was 16-5-2 in the reg season. Defense aside, thats damn good
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by chillicothe20 on Jul 1, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
the same way i have flashbacks of Biron giving the puck up to Crosby on the door step
i just cant get by Leighton letting Kane score that extra soft goal to win the cup. And i dont think the flyers players will either. Its an image that given the magnitude of the situation you dont forget. I think the flyers know this. Leighton has earned being a backup here. Thats it. If he doesnt give up those softees in game 6, it might be a different story. But in that big of a game you have to stop those pucks, doesnt matter what you’ve done before.
i get that you feel bad for him, but you have to take the emotion out of it.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Leighton would have to go to a team with great defense to be a starter… like say the Flyers.
But hopefully a better guy like Ellis, will be even better with our defense in front of him.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Leighton is the guaranteed starter at all, I think he will expect to have to earn the job in camp whether it is vs a FA they bring in or people they already have in the organization.
he’ll have a chance, but he’ll have to be amazing to take it from whoever the FLyers are signing to be the perceived starter. I mean if you sign another goalie as your starter and he isnt, that looks pretty bad, so Leights will have to be amazing in training camp.
Maybe it will force him to work on giving up those softees.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
For those of us at work
Are there any live radio shows? I know NHL Live will be from noon to 2 pm EST…I’m not sure that’s a quality enough program and long enough to sate me.
I’ve been listening to XM Home Ice all morning, yeah. TSN’s stuff might be streaming audio.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
TSN is blocked out of country. At least, the video is, and I can’t find an audio-only stream.
I’m assuming XM isn’t available on a free stream?
Nah, unfortunately.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
dont know much about him, and thats a lot of money he better be good.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I just looked real quick and he was a first round pick, but has been negative almost every season, but played for crap teams (OTT, TB).
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1) Can he anchor a third pairing?
2) Does this mean Coburn won’t be signed?
3) Is that contract an overpay?
we need another defenseman other than him if we’re not signing Coburn
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
going just from Coburn to Meszaros is not enough. even with an upgrade at goalie.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
1) I’d actually pair him with Timonen. Meszaros has occasional moments of Utter Stupid, and Timmo’s the best one to cover for that.
2) I hope not
3) At his current level of play, probably, but if he keeps developing, it’ll be a steal.
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Better or worse than Hamhuis? I wasn’t too high on Danny Boy; it sounds like Tampa people are echoing that sentiment with Meszaros.
Different? I’d probably consider Hamhuis a little better, but Meszaros is three years younger, so it may be polish moreso than talent.
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Yeah, I think Hamhuis is probably a little more solid defensively, Meszaros might have more offensive upside? But I get most of my info about players that are not Flyers from playing fantasy hockey, so take that for what it’s worth. (little to nothing :P)
by SteelBirdFlyer on Jul 1, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s my worry – unless Meszaros plays with Timonen, he goes have some serious gaffes that will completely expose him on the third pairing.
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Here’s a summary for the SBN site:
http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/players/55057/Andrej_Meszaros
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
CHI
Chicago lost Versteeg, Byfuglein, Sopel, and maybe Ladd. Ouch we are only going to get better and if Pittsburg loses Gonchar and Hamhuis the Division is ours.
Meszaros to Flyers sounds like a done deal.
No, no, noooooo! I don’t like that guy! I never liked him in Tampa, won’t like him in Philly. :/
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sounds like me with Coburn. If we’re going to replace Coburn with him. I’d prefer Meszaros. But we still need another defensemen then.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Good numbers with the Sens
Points and +/- were very good up North, not so much in Tampa but I can easily see that as a function of the team he was on.
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im going to trust it. he’s young, big guy, apparently can bring offense with the defense. and he’s signed here for a while.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Was he a FA or is this a trade?
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Wonderful…is Homer afraid to have draft picks?
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Which I hope doesn’t happen. We need to improve the D, not keep it stagnent.
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yeh as an extra defenseman he’s great, but we cant stop there defensively if we lose Coburna nd just add Meszaros.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Tallinder if we lose Coburn then?
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
flyers must like the guy a lot. ill trust it. but it might mean losing Coburn and getting Foster or Tallinder, which im not opposed to at all.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
capgeek:
#nhl #flyers have $54.15m committed to 18 players after Meszaros acquisition ($637,500 in bonuses)
But what does this mean on the Gagne/Carter/Giroux front, next year? Probably two of them have to go.
Omg, omg…. no! There’s gotta be another way! O.o
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I do, I’m right in your corner. Gagne might be willing to take a small pay cut to stay though, so we’ll just have to cross that bridge when we get to it.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
CLAP-CLAP CLAP-CLAP-CLAP!
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Bad move. I think losing Coburn for a relative unknown is not good. Coburn was a semi physical player. And he played so well in the playoffs. Don’t know what to think about this. Coburn is also young. Hope, somehow, they resign Coburn.
you think a lot more of Coburn than I do. He didnt play that well in the playoffs, I saw him turn the puck over more times than I’d like to remember.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Coburn is one of the few players I will gladly do without
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by chillicothe20 on Jul 1, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
In the beginning of the playoffs, it was true. But as the playoffs kept going, he got better it seemed. Stanley Cup finals, especially game 4 I believe, he was possibly the best player on the ice. I just don’t like giving up on a relatively young player who is already established here and playing pretty well for a player who is just as young but dont really know much about. At least the guy is signed though. He better be pretty good for a cap hit of $4 mil a yr.
Pierre LeBrun: Flyers GM Paul Holmgren confirms acquiriing Meszaros from Lightning for second-round pick
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I know this is silly, but I used to always sign Mezaros to the Flyers in NHL09… He was good in that game.
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I have one of the recent NHLs (forget if it’s 09 or 08), and Lindros was surprisingly good in that game.
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I personally think that Coburn.
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i dont think you can say either way. the flyers know more than we do. also meszaros is under contract longer than probalby what we could get Coburn to agree too.
And this guy seems bigger and stronger. He has the same turnover problem as Coburn apparently, but he might be better in other areas.
If the flyers do with this guy what they did with Matt Carle ( who was maligned in tampa bay) than this guy will be better.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Been a Flyers fan for 26+ years and I can’t remember being this excited for an upcoming season…
"Game 7's are tough... It's a game that's made for men and our guys proved to be men today." -Laviolette
So you’re what, 29?
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
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by PatterPoet95 on Jul 1, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Dedication. Good man.
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually
I was really upset at the beginning of last season concerning the Pronger trade. I didn’t start watching till they started to suck real bad (morbid).
I was Wrong about the Pronger deal…
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by PatterPoet95 on Jul 1, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
HINDSIGHT! HINDSIGHT! I CALL IT!
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not saying I was for it the whole time I wasn’t. The circumstances changed so I changed my opinion (yes I am slightly ripping that off, good luck if you know from where…)
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by PatterPoet95 on Jul 1, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Meszaros (remember the other maligned Tampa Bay defenseman?)
a guy by the name of Matt Carle. Who was highly touted, then fell off, was traded to Tampa Bay, where he was further maligned. Comes to philly and now he’s killing it.
I’ll trust the Flyers organization and their handling of players over Tampa Bay’s.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 12:10 PM EDT reply actions
Even with Meszaros trade, Flyers still in play big time.
I have no idea what that means, so let’s hope it’s a good thing.
Just coming in,…
Real_ESPNLeBrun:
Interesting thing about Meszaros contract: $4 M cap hit yes, but actual salary rises to $4.75 M in 2012-13 and $5.5 M in 2013-14
Comcast can afford it. It’s the cap hit that matters to the Flyers, not the actual salary.
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That is true. And I am not 100% on what the teams salaries look like in the next few yrs, sans Richards and Briere.
Yeah, I loved it. The hockey version of the Yankees. Clarkey and Ed weren’t afraid of bad contracts. They could just sign someone else to make up for it. Now though………
RealKyper Even with Meszaros trade, Flyers still in play big time.
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I should hope so. We have a chance to do BIG things.
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by chillicothe20 on Jul 1, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
SportsnetSpec Flyers with $19.3M spent on Top 5 D-men, with RFA Coburn and UFA Krajicek not yet signed. Canucks interested in Coburn?
But for who/what?
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Edler!
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by PatterPoet95 on Jul 1, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
You know, I rememeber Meszaros being good with Ottawa – this might be a very good pick-up.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 12:16 PM EDT reply actions
Hard hitter, top shot-blocker. Tough Tough Tough.
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I like him. Improves our D. Can’t be a bad thing.
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If we lose Coburn, don’t we get that 2nd rounder back as RFA compensation? I’m iffy on these rules.
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It matters on how much the offer sheet is for … from 2.6 to 3.5 is it a first round pick and a third
That’s how I understand it. Replace the one we traded.
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends on what his contract is with his new team. We get compensation via draft pick, but the salary determines the round.
So, definitely a second rounder, possibly more, then. I like.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Darren Dreger reports Sergei Gonchar has signed in OTT for three years at $5.5M plus a NTC.
From McKenzie.
Hell and yes. Now don’t sign Hamhuis, Pens.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
If they do...
They will be highly overpaying for him.
Either way, F’em.
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WOW! So Michalek not going there then.
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Tanguay signs with Flames.
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What a D shaping up here.
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Fantastic news
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by PatterPoet95 on Jul 1, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
3.2 CAP HIT??!
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Rough estimate: Between $2 and $3 million left to sign Powe, Carcillo and Ellis.
Questioning whether all that is possible at this point…
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by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Jul 1, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't - Meszaros, not Mulligan.;)
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Shaping up to be a goood day, yeah?
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
well what did you expect
the fleyrs thought coburn was worth above 2 mil around, and coburn wanted 4 mil so seems like they’re meeting in the middle.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 12:24 PM EDT reply actions
Coburn and Meszaros for that money is too much for me.
however i will say this, they both have the potential to exceed what their worth. Especially Coburn.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Too much money.
We’ve blown our load and we’re not even 30 mins in. No money left for goaltending unless come crazy shit goes down…
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unless come crazy shit goes down…
Lock’n’load, son.
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess we can afford Leighton as our starter if our D is as sick as it just got.
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Well the reality is we are not getting a stud goalie so at least we have improved our D.
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Going into today, the choices looked like Dan Ellis, cheap 3rd pair, and maneuverability at the deadline/next summer vs. Leighton, a (slightly?) improved third pairing, and officially declaring war on the salary cap.
Of course we choose the latter.
Going into today
Wait for it.
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Hang in there.
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess we can afford Leighton as our starter if our D is as sick as it just got
I think you got it just right.
If these are our D-men (and at these prices), then one has to assume we’re not getting a goalie. I think, like it or not, it’s Leights/Boosh (most likely) for the start of the 2010-11 season.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
How? We saw Coburn as a number 5 last year, and scouting indications are that Meszaros is guy that takes risks and makes giveaways. We’re still a team with a third pairing that will gift you a goal a game.
I’m speaking in terms of money, not preference.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Somebody is getting shipped out in a salary move…
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If we have around 2 mil left for powe, carcillo, and potential UFA goalie we’d presumably be shedding boucher’s contract
well they won’t be buying him out if they do … I don’t think they have room to buy out even bouchers contract at this point …
his salary (925,000) divided over double the remainder of his contract (1 Year).
So it would cost them a little under 500k to buy him out … which still is a lot of money when you consider what they still have to do with what little space they have. So basically it would be a trade if they are going to move him.
I think they let Powe walk or sign him to a two way deal, Carcillo and a get a winger. Screw goalie at this point we spend too much money on D.
I’d much rather see Powe offered a two-year deal at about $700,000, Carcillo tendered RFA qualifier (I believe already done), and Cote traded to somewhere for a prosepct or pick.
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Boucher is going to be gone so we’ll be 3.14 under the cap. Toss in Cote and we’re 3.64 under.
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You toss in Cote. I'll stand over here and spot.
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn
Leafs talking to Colby Armstrong, they are about one year and 300,000 k a year apart
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They are. I’m serious.
They have gotten substantially better since the Phaneuf trade last year. And they have continued to improve. By the end of last season they were not a pushover team by any stretch of the imagination. I expect them to make the playoffs as the 8 seed this year if they stay healthy.
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’m worried about the leafs…I think they’re going to make the playoffs this year.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jul 1, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, they have made a LOT of good moves in a couple of days.
Who’s in goal for them now?
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm…does he have the potential to recapture his old form?
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Well then Pittsburgh can sit out this year
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by Prometheus74 on Jul 1, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Stay tuned. Moves coming. Today?
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How ridiculous is a blue line of Pronger, Timonen, Carle, Coburn, Meszaros, and Bartulis? That’s just sick.
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Better be good enough
Since they now have about 30 cents left in the piggy bank, and might still want a forward. Can Ellis be signed for under $2.5 million, and then burying Boucher’s salary can we PLEASE keep a bit of room under the cap? I was hoping for less expensive D-men …
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Syvret is a FA – bet he walks to a team that will actually give him NHL minutes.
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Just told Savard to Calgary very possible… two teams are in heated negotiations.
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Calagary making some moves today… Savard and Jarom execuse my french but fuck me that could be a sick duo…
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by PatterPoet95 on Jul 1, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
IF Tanguay wakes up.
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Tanguay and I hope he does wake up. I have my doubts though
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by PatterPoet95 on Jul 1, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Seconded in every respect.
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Sutter lighting a fire under Tanguay?
Russostrib So #Flames GM Darryl Sutter, who’s job was reportedly in peril, gives a no-move to Tanguay as his first move today? Well done
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh
NHL.com’s live feed finally came online and it’s just Bettman talking.
The black screen was better…
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Oh will this guy shut the F up? (Bettman, not you)
Just pontificating on and on about the olympics.
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eek, too much for Coburn, too much for Leighton, especially considering Biron is making under $1MM.
How much left to sign Ellis?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 12:34 PM EDT reply actions
Enough for now, but they’ve got to get on with moving Boosh’s contract and possibly something else if they want Powe and Carcillo back.
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i dont need Carcillo back. Maybe try Pyarola on the 3rd line. I thought he played well, it’s just we all kind of forgot about him.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but with Asham gone, you need someone other than Laperriere to drop the gloves every now and again.
And no, Riley Cote is not the man for the job.
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meh
if i have to choose btwn Carcillo fighting or Powe’s speed and penalty kiling ability. Im going with Powe.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Powe, yes...
Carcillo, I can do without. He does show flashes that he gets it. But then he does something stupid to make me not want him back.
Love this
dshoalts Same with Biron-Rangers. Wow, these guys are fast, eh?RT @kausatoday: It took under 14 minutes for Gonchar to negotiate 3-yr deal for $16.5?
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Oh yeah, the boy can play.
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
You are being sarcastic right? haha
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Sarcasm is as sarcasm does, Forrest.
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Also someone saying they will get involved in the Tomas Kaberle talks with Toronto. I hope not, because that is a guy who can immediately come in and take over for Gonchar.
I feel like losing Gonchar but adding Kaberle is a wash. Very similar in abilities.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Gonchar needs an attitude adjustment if last year was any indication. Talk about gunshy. With reason, I guess, but even so.
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
People on this board will be happy
andystrickland In a surprise New Jersey makes a call to Chris Mason…Flyers contact Mason as well
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There are those who feel without big games played reduction Brodeur is fading fast.
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I expect it to be rebuilding time in NJ.
Brodeur is showing his age, they gave up young guys to get Kovalchuk (whom they will also lose), and they’ve followed up good regular seasons with fizzling out in the first round for three years straight. Plus, they’re not going to be able to keep everyone they want to keep, I’m sure.
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Unless you were told you’d get 25-30 games this year and be the man after Marty goes. Lou can be pretty convincing as well as totally off the board at times.
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
and spray adhesive, so some of those rebounds actually stick
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by Prometheus74 on Jul 1, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
When does a team have to be under the cap? Is it at all times or do they have to be under by a certain date?
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i think by the start of the season. so conceivably, they can go into training camp over the cap.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
So they can over-spend now and cut later. Might be the best way to go.
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I read somewhere that’s what Chicago is going to do. Huet is going to be on the roster through training camp, then boom, Rockford Icehog bound
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, so in reality the Flyers have an extra $6 mil or so to play with today?
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So, how are the UFA goalies feeling now? The Rags sign Biron and are off the market, the Flyers solidify the blue line…Turco and Nabby probably a bit nervous at the moment, no?
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which is why the leighton signing was really dumb
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Turco will most likely end up as a Shark, so Nabakov is the one who might be getting cold sweats
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by Prometheus74 on Jul 1, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
What are these “Draft Picks” you speak of?
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Apparently its part of a Ponzi scheme.
We never ever really had them to start with
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by Prometheus74 on Jul 1, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve been told there’s been no contact between the Flyers and FA forward Arron Asham.
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Will buy him beers all night if I ever ran into him.
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Agreed. He’s a great guy.
I’m also not surprised he’s not coming back.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Gonchar’s price sets the market. Paul Martin’s price is now between 5- 5.5M. Wow!! Best bet seems ro be Pitt and LA.
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Deal is not done yet, stress that, but Paul Martin eager to sign in PIT and PIT eager to sign him. Working towards that. Stay tuned.
That from McKenzie.
Just saw that. Interesting…
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, I’ve had a “Oh, fuck!” moment.
Martin in PIT – shit…
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
But they lost Gonchar, Eaton and Leopold (at least they have at this point). Not concerned, really. Not yet at least.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
plus 5.5MM for Martin is going to squeeze them against the cap again, hopefully
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, thank you.
Now I feel better. :)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d say Martin a downgrade from Gonchar.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
But he’ll play a lot longer and hits a lot harder.
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
And isn’t always hurt.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, just about anybody is a downgrade from Gonchar. Anybody on the market, at least.
In a year or two, that changes… but right now…
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. I would legitimately hate that. May 2009 on was fine, but that was about 20% of the games played last season.
Agreed.
I don’t think the Flyers are done yet though.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
They need to clear cap space though if they are going to swing another goalie (unlikely) or a winger
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
They have all summer to clear that space, though.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
We also have a defense that is quite a step up from last years IMO.
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At least NHL.com has confidence ...
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“Philadelphia, meanwhile, made sure its defense heading into the 2010-11 season is second to none, adding Andrej Meszaros through trade and then re-signing its own Braydon Coburn to a new two-year deal.
The Flyers also re-signed goalie Michael Leighton on Wednesday."
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by Ben Feldman on Jul 1, 2010 12:51 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
no but look at the way he presents himself. he just looks like he thinks he is the shit and would rather be doing a shoot for maxim if they paid enough. he seems like he’s all money. no heart
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
who says he’s #5 though. they migh demote Coburn possibly, especially if coburn/timo start out next season like they did this one right?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
still $4 or 3.2 million for a #5 defense. flyers sure seem like they are betting on great defense to bail out mediocre goaltending
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
As Ben said above, the team can be 10% over the salary cap until the end of August. Look for the Flyers to add contracts before getting rid of them. We may get a goalie yet.
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mirtle It’s worth noting teams can spend up to $65.3-million until the season starts.
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
uh, with Leighton in net, all it’s going to take is a couple odd man rushes.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Sadly, I think we did both.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
So we’re done, you think?
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
dude, with Biron making 900K, you’re way overpaying Leighton.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point. I’d take Marty back over Leighton
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
absolutely. Marty can atleast steal a game every now and then (see 2008 montreal series)
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
and did Biron have a defense composed of Chris Pronger skating in front of him?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Biron couldn't keep a starting roll of it was attached to him
Biron let in so many soft goals.
Also how many times did he lose the starting Job?
Leighton and Boosh switched starting jobs due to injuries not out of general suckness
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We should probably judge every player’s contract on three games. Seems like a good strategy.
Based on his season on a whole, which was remarkable, he still wasn’t worth this money. The only way he is worth 1.55mil is if Jeff Reese is correct in assuming he can improve his positioning and rebound control with another year of coaching.
are you serious? Leighton shouldnt’ be signed as a starter either and all signs have said “he isn’t the starter” he’s going to compete for the starting job. So Leighton is the starter either.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
If you rather have Biron than Leighton that is fine but don’t think you would get him cheaper than we got Leighton they would have cost the same cap hit.
whatever dude. Biron just signed for 900K, that’s a pretty good indication of what his worth is.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember … 1.5 is NOT a lot of money
1.5 is what you give to a third line player, 5th D man … backup goalie …
Just like last year the Flyers would not have signed Biron at the price he finally settled at so overall the point is pretty moot. It isn’t like he said "I am going to take less than a million a year to who ever offers’ He took that money sit and backup a workhorse goalie …
I’d rather have Biron over Leighton and I don’t particularly like either of them.
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and Biron would have been 600K cheaper, which is my point. I’m in the same boat as you. Biron is slightly better than Leighton, IMO and I could do without either of them, but if you had to pick one….
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
As a fucking backup to Lundquist he is worth 900K as a guy trying to compete for a number 1 job he is not going to take 900K.
Play 10 GMs at 900K or Play 30 GMs at 900K what would you do ?
are you insane?
Dear Biron, you can make 900K with the Rangers as a backup or you can make 900K with the Flyers and potentially compete for the starting job.
Which does he pick?
uh, yeah, i’ll take 900K to be a backup please.
yeah right, dont’ be stupid.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Some guys actually like playing, Marty seems to be one of those guys.
If someone’s mentality is to get 900K to basically ride the bench over a chance to play a significant amount of time then he might as well retire.
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I bet some nights he gets minutes of a 4 and some nights he gets minutes of a 5. The beauty of this, and what I said yesterday was that having a stud goalie is awesome but having a stud defensive unit means that guys like Pronger and Timmo aren’t over worked. Adding Mez and resigning Coburn benefits a group of 6.
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See he may be listed as a #5 but they really need him to eat a ton of minutes to preserve Kimmo and Pronger, so he, hopefully, won’t be playing 3rd line pairing minutes.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
minutes will be much more spreadout with the 5some we have now
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly and that is what we really need to. Carle, Coburn and Mez need to step up and be counted on to give Prongs and Kimmo some rest.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t mind fixing the defense but man are we ever overpaying for Coburn and Meszaros at 3.2 and 4.0 million. Way too much money there. It makes it impossible to go after a goalie unless someone is headed out of town.
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 12:52 PM EDT reply actions
I’ve always seen that as more likely, if he were ever to be moved (IMHO, he won’t be).
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
then he needs to play wing and be a team player
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Carter can center the second line with JVR and Giroux as his wingers, and Richards centers the third line with Gags and Carbomb, but gets more minutes than a typical (read: not the Pens) third line. Besides, Gagne is getting old, and Richie plays a TON of special teams minutes, so its not like he needs full-strength time to stay at 18+ minutes a game.
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
His best value in a trade is right now. … But he does hit RFA next year so they could really start thinking about letting him go then … or letting Gagne go
I heard rumors the other day of Gagne headed out of town, which would be sad and we’d still need Carter to learn to play wing. I am not at all happy with goalie situation. I hope that they find someway to get an Ellis or Mason
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Who was that masked man?
BroadStHockey Can’t emphasize this enough. Flyers can still grab a goalie.
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but they’d have to clear cap space.
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
They can spend 10% over the cap as long as they clear that by the end of Aug. So they can sign someone now, and worry about who to get rid of later. So yes and no. Someone else mentioned it, but maybe they buy out or trade Hartnell.
Buying out Hartnell this year:
Original contract amount: $11.1m over three years
Original averaged amount: $12.6m over three years
Buyout amount: $7.4m over six years ($1.233m per year)
Buyout savings: $2.967 2010-11, $2.467 2011-12, $1.967 2012-13
Cap hit: $1.233 2010-11, $1.733 2011-12, $2.233 2012-13, $1.233 2013-14, 2014-15, & 2015-16
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by The Dark on Jul 1, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, because it’s based on the difference between what you’re paying him and what you would have paid him. Hartnell’s salary goes from $4.2 to $3.7 to $3.2 over the next three years, so the amount of money you save is less each year. The hit after his contract would have ended is just the amount you’re paying that year.
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I’d rather spend too much today on players and figure out how to fit them under the cap later than just sit on my hands today and watch all of my options disappear.
Homer’s just started. Everyone should wait until the dust settles before you judge his efforts.
by memphisbrando on Jul 1, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Like Stevie Y was going to let him go anywhere...
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Apparently Tampa believe St. Louis is the second coming of Chris Chelios.
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You mean this Chelios?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR-ZgMz3FIU
I don’t see the resemblance.
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well as long as he’s stuck in tampa, fine by me
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
And not Philadelphia. I’d be shocked if he did!
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
there’s a surprise…i’m more interested in the money he gets.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
How WOULD that actually work? Maybe if we sign Ellis, we can package Boucher and Cote to somewhere?
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
i don’t understand why LA would make a run at him. Their defense is already sick and their pipeline is stocked.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Not enough
resignin Coburn and gettin Meszaros is not enough.
If we dont find a way to a RW or another goalie.
This will not be a good day for the flyers.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions
Fuck the Pens!
(Yeah, I know it doesn’t change anything, but it feels good to say it.)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Could been worse. Coulda been Martin.
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+1
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
DarrenDreger Z. Michalek to Pitt. Done.
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If the Pens get Michalek and Martin, then I worry.
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Would have to move a lot of $ to do that plus Michalek, wouldn’t they?
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I have no idea, honestly. I’m having a hard time keeping track of everybody’s cap numbers.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Because if you add more people bidding in theory his price would go up, plus there would still be no guarantee that you would get him. With a trade you are sure to get the guy. Also you only have Meszaros for 2 (maybe 3) more years instead of 5.
OK – that is definitely more than I woudl have paid him, but I would have been thrilled to see him in a Flyers jersey.
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Just a question
how the hell do the penguins find room for those guys when they have to keep Orpik, Crosby, Malkin, Staal and Fluery and Letang all under contract.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions
yeh forgot about Talbot and Dupuis.
fucking Pens and they’re awesome GM. goddamnit.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
4 with Michalek, but they’re still looking at signing a few forwards and 2 more D for $8.5m
Honor is no substitute for victory.
5 if you figure Lovejoy can play NHL minutes.
Michalek, Orpik, Letang, Goligoski, and Lovejoy.
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks. Thought so. Heard Rangers were talking to him.
Bet Ray would like to keep him though.
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Even with Michalek, that’s really not that intimidating.
by SteelBirdFlyer on Jul 1, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Another two words:
bottom line
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Three words:
He’s A Shero
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i swear Bettman and the NHL are in cohoots with the pens.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is that?
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Which is why I prefer that you don’t make too many public speeches about the Flyers and the NHL.
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room."
by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Jul 1, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
I thought they were busy conspiring against Vancouver!
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Conspiracy theories cover all the bases.
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Burish
Ek says Burish may be going to the Devils. That would be interesting. If so, Pronger’s gonna have plenty of chances to remind him of his misguided comments…
In Latvia, they're rooting for Bartulis' team, the Filadelfijas Flaieri!
That would be lovely.
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I might have to fly over from England for a game then. :)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Sigh, Eklund.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Was wondering when someone would mention that.
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I can’t figure out who overpaid more…Flyers for Coburn, Sens for Gonchar or Pens for Michalek…
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depends on which Coburn plays next season. The last year’s version or the year before that version.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
well basically there's your answer
Defensemen were going expensive. So they were all getting overpaid. Homer probably went and get Meszos for 4 mil for a long team deal just because of that. He didnt want to get in a bidding war with other teams over defensemen and then REALLY overpay or come away with nothing.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
truth is..
if Coburn would ever get back on track to hitting his potential, then 3.2 mil a year might be cheap for him. a couple years ago Coburn seemed like a potential frachise defenseman for life here.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s $4 million a year for 5 years. Still too much, but a mild correction.
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Talking right now Hamhuis to Toronto for 7mil a yr, if that is true, that is the overpay of the day.
uklaskorner:
RT @erinnicks: Worth a RT for the “B4” RT @NotSunGarrioch: Source telling me Hamhuis to #Leafs for 7M per year is close. B4.
7 mill per?! HOLY S.H.I.T
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…or the Leafs.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Burke likes a big splash but I dunno about this one.
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No, I take that as gospel. Everything posted here is supposed to be accurate and informed…
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I MEANT
In the threads- Travis, Geoff, Ben, please do not be offended by that. You guys are awesome and this site rules…
Good god- foot in mouth.
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Haha, no worries.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys know that’s a fake twitter account, right?
Sources say that this is a parody. I am not Bruce Garrioch. Any trades suggested in this account are not real, kind of like the real Bruce Garrioch.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Blockquote fail.
Sources say that this is a parody. I am not Bruce Garrioch. Any trades suggested in this account are not real, kind of like the real Bruce Garrioch.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Just asked a Flyers source if they are the team reportedly close to signing Dan Ellis. The response? … “It’s not us.”
Who said that?
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno. He’s on first. You go ask him.
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michael leighton as our starting goalie? fuck.
they better DO something else. get a RW so at least i feel a little bit better. ugh.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
your right
ugh i cant handle this shit.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
if Nabokov gets left out in the cold out of all of this and has to go somwhere for really cheap. thats the only shot we got.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 1:26 PM EDT reply actions
League source: “Nothing cooking for Flyers on goaltending front.” That doesn’t mean they aren’t looking at something else.
they aren’t because they signed motherf’ing micheal leighton for 1.5MM!
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If it means anything to anyone...
E4 Ellis close with philly on hockeybuzz
Yeah, about four seconds after SanFilippo and Seravalli say that’s not the case.
These guys could at least humor us by lining their bullshit somewhat up with reality.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Tocchet tells me abuot Meszaros: "He had the willingness to play hurt, I have to give him credit." …
That from Panotch.
But no comment about Mezsaros’ defensive ability from his former coach? This better not be the NHL equivalent of, when being asked your opinions on an ugly chick, responding with, “she’s got a great personality.”
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room."
by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Jul 1, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I do remember reading Lappy-esque story about him getting hit in the face, getting stitched up and coming back for the next period. Toughness is always a plus. Also, even though the price seems steep, I think everyone here is too down on this guy because we know very little and he had been playing in Tampa. I think he was decent in OTT, and then TB brought him in to be a #1, thus the high salary, and he just wasn’t that. He’s probably a #3, so if we’re playing him at #4 or #5, I think that sounds excellent.
Again, I don’t know much about non-Flyers, but I had him on a fantasy team last year, so I read a few articles about him. What you want to take out of that kind of knowledge is your choice, but I’m hoping it’s one of those poor fit on a poor team kind of things and he’ll have less pressure here and will end up being a good pickup.
by SteelBirdFlyer on Jul 1, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
just one comment
tocchet wasnt giving his player history, he just made a comment about him, just because he didnt go over his defensive history means nothing. reading too much into it.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Just curious...
But is anyone else besides me blatantly stealing money from their company by just sitting at work and hitting Z every two seconds? Or am I the only asshole?
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I was on lunchbreak...
…until 1:00. But NOW it’s blatant stealing.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
It’s my day off, but hitting z constantly trying to keep up is making me dizzy, I can’t even change tabs to check the one with twitter.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I took a sick day – that’s pretty close …
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Minor asshole – I’ll achieve something, then spend a couple minutes updating, then go back to stuff again.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
That’s what I’ve been doing…but only because I was told we have “strict deadlines to meet” today. :P
by SteelBirdFlyer on Jul 1, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
But is anyone else besides me blatantly stealing money from their company by just sitting at work and hitting Z every two seconds? Or am I the diehard Flyer fan?
Not by a long shot. And by the way, it’s not stealing it’s creative accounting. You’ll be more productive tomorrow knowing what’s happening today.
But, you do know they track your ’net use, right?
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True but my company is under the assumption that I would never do something like this, thus, they don’t check me.
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guilty…
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Alex Auld to Montreal 1 million, 1 year
Now, will Carey Price show up?
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Nice move for Burkie. Look out for the Leafs, I say it again. Maybe not this year (maybe so, though) but they’re getting going.
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That’s sorta like closing your eyes or sticking your fingers in your ears and humming, isn’t it?
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No, it’s sort of like judging the Toronto Maple Leafs team on merit, a lesson we all should have learned to do quite a long time ago.
But you’re judging on a team that didn’t have those players, yeah?
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No, I’m saying “I refuse to think the 2010-11 Leafs will be good until I’ve seen them play good hockey.”
I’ve seen playoff-caliber Leafs teams on player pretty consistently during their dry stretch.
Definitely, they picked up Versteeg through a trade, they will surely be a much a better team next year.
I agree.
They are a LOT more talented now.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Armstrong to Leafs.
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yeh we had no shot at that price.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
A Nittymaki signs with San Jose
That’s very interesting. Niitty to battle with Greiss for starting spot?
so 3 years from now he’s going to sign back with Philly for $1MM?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The Thrashers must be relieved he’s in the West now
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
No, no, NO!
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
it is true. So many things happen on a day like today, and in a matter of mins. I hope he signs with Tampa or LA. Do not, PLEASE DO NOT go to the Pens.
+10000000
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Except Eklund’s, which should be prefaced with, “And now for the Comedy Spot…”
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True but half of Panotch’s tweets are totally ridiculous and off topic.
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That’s what happens when you give new technology to an old person and demand that they use it.
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by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Jul 1, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I think over the season he’s grown to really like it. Always talking to Wild beat writer Michael Russo and Avalanche beat writer Adrian Dater.
Which is super but honestly I don’t care about what sauce he is making, especially on a day like today.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
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Ahhhh
The luogno trade lives on.
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Maybe a lot worried, considering we no longer have the cap room for either unless we make a trade
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Philadelphia and Tampa Bay the only teams looking for a starter at this point? Nabokov, Turco, Ellis, Mason still available.
not to continue to say “I told you so” when I was expounding on economics yesterday, but ….
ah, nevermind, tell me again how Leighton’s going to carry this team back to the cup.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
ytf did the flyers resign leights again other than you know spending 3.2 million on #4 dmen and 4million on #5
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
def. Everyone is finding jobs, but the two biggest names. Nabakov and Turco had offers, turned them down, and now have to play the waiting game.
Agreed.
After today, I think a LOT of trades will be occurring…
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Lot’s of posts about the Flyers jumping the gun with Leights concerning this but I wonder if it says something more about the value of Turco and Nabby both in terms of their potential next season and what they are asking for as far as a price tag..
"Game 7's are tough... It's a game that's made for men and our guys proved to be men today." -Laviolette
yeah but the way it’s playing out we could’ve had an upgrade for relatively cap friendly deal but 7.2 tied up in #4 and #5 d kills that
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Still makes me think we’re not doing anything else in goal. We’re all about D-men at the moment…
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
One year deal is fine. He’s old though.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Old yes, but for a quality #6 dman, I like this move. The D is going to be pretty sick on paper right now.
you’d hope to have killer defense if you are stuck with Leights in net. Homer jumped the gun but nabby and turco are looking dumb right now
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Sean O’Donnell is done in PHI on a one year deal
Where is he coming from again?
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 1:40 PM EDT reply actions
With Kraji and the Latvian Wolf as backups…I like it.
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Did we keep Kraji? I must have missed that
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember now – thank you! :)
Yes, he is a blast from the past…wow.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, the guy’s 38 years old though. True stay-at-home d-man, but with 1100 NHL games in how much is left???
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Check out his games played
Don’t know the $ involved but I love this for a 6th man.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
6’-2" and 237 pounds at 38 years old … I though we were moving away from old defensive pylons …
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
…although I admit to not knowing him from Adam.
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Won't have to play big minutes either.
Every 5th and 6th D man we used last year was under 15 mins a game. Some well below. His numbers have always been above 18 mins.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
I’d nominate us.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
will need it with leights as starter. sad really bc it’s really a buyer’s market for goalies
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It better damn well be
$23 million spent on defense alone … wow.
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah Habs have that distinction
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iunno i’d take price over leights. Price is younger and has more potential
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m starting to think we might be keeping Boosh now that we spent money on one more Dman than I expected…. unless there’s a salary dump coming
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The silver lining off Leights starting is that Boosh is still a Flyer.
by Snevik on Jul 1, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
yeah, this is Homer’s way of pulling the old bait and switch.
“Hey flyers fans, look at all these shiny new toys we have!”…“oh, that pile of rubbish in net…pay no attention to that…”
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
2009-10 LA 78 3 12 15 14 70 0 0 0 0 1 44 .068
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which is sad b/c it seems like there’s better goalies out there sitting there with no deal done.
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Carter then? I don’t see why Briere waives his NTC.
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by ronnybrook.blog on Jul 1, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like Leighton will battle Backlund and Boucher for No. 1 job; O’Donnell got $1 million I am told
Ah, crap.
I love the Flyers so much I even went to Bobby Clarke Day Camp.
by billy_pilgrim on Jul 1, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
sticks head in sand and runs away. really homer? come on? do you hate goaltending that much?
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
wow, didn’t see that one coming
*rolls eyes
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m so confused, are the Flyers hiding the fact that we have already signed Carcillo or Powe? If not, where the hell do we pull a RW from?
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Meet your new RW Jeff Carter. are carcilo and powe resigned yet?
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Stupid. Carter is a winger. In my mind at least. I personally like him at RW, and not C. He should just play the wing, make this team better, and stop bitching.
If by “Jeff Carter” you mean “Claude Giroux”, yes.
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
They’ve been tendered qualifying offers, that is, I beleive, 10% more than their existing salary.
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Twitter
tpanotch:
The Flyers have to make a move somewhere. I am told they are still talking to Ellis’ camp …
yep. I think i am going to laugh when I see what crappy salaries that nabby and turco have to take. they should have signed with the flyers now they are likely stuck in hockey hell
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Some jersey scouting:
I assume Meszaros bumps Nodl from 14, but Coburn keeps the 6. O’Donnell would look nice in 2.
Wow, I fucked this all up. So, O’Donnell is fine, but Meszaros has to switch?
Travis, I think we found someone you can beat at the Numbers game….
hahaha.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
SHOCKER!!!
@Real_ESPNLeBrun: Phoenix Coyotes close to re-signing Derek Morris am told…
i just saw that so apparently no one wants to touch turco and nabby. those guys really overestimated the deals they’d get on the market
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2010-11 Philadelphia Flyers
Assuming O’Donnell is signed, as is Powe and Carcillo for about their last year’s salaries, “you see what you get” according to Capgeek, with only $200 K left. Any other major moves require trades. Note that Nodl is not included, and we are 1 below the maximum active roster.
FORWARDS
Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Simon Gagne ($5.250m)
Jeff Carter ($5.000m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m)
Ian Laperriere ($1.167m) / * Daniel Carcillo ($0.893m) / Claude Giroux ($0.822m)
Ville Leino ($0.800m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Riley Cote ($0.550m)
- Darroll Powe ($0.520m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.438m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / * O’Donnell ($1.000m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
GOALTENDERS
Michael Leighton ($1.550m) / Brian Boucher ($0.925m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 22; CAP: $59.4m; PAYROLL: $59.773m; CAP ROOM: $0.265m BONUSES: $0.637m
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One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
I don’t think they can rescind Powe’s offer sheet, so I would expect him there and (finally) waive Cote
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Nevermind! I missed that you had powe there
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. This might allow for Nodl or someone else. But again, no other “major” moves without trades.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
They can rescind an qualifying offer and the player becomes a UFA. And Cote would just be buried in the minors if anything
I just thought they would have had to do it already, I didn’t think they could do it with this timing since RFA’s aren’t even allowed to accept them until July 1st
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Note: This assumes Backlund or Boosh as backup with other in AHL
With all 3 up this equals 23, but exceeds the cap. Their salaries are close.
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One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Powe and carcillo get an automatic 10% increase in their RFA offers I think. That leaves the Flyers with about enough money to buy a hot dog. A cheap one at that.
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Slight adjustment
Penguinsfan is correct. This just reenforces the earlier comments from me and others.
FORWARDS
Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Simon Gagne ($5.250m)
Jeff Carter ($5.000m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m)
Ian Laperriere ($1.167m) / * Daniel Carcillo ($0.973m) / Claude Giroux ($0.822m)
Ville Leino ($0.800m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / * Darroll Powe ($0.572m)
Riley Cote ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.438m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / * O’Donnell ($1.000m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
GOALTENDERS
Michael Leighton ($1.550m) / Brian Boucher ($0.925m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 22; CAP: $59.4m; PAYROLL: $59.905m; CAP ROOM: $0.133m BONUSES: $0.637m
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
How many teams are left looking for starting goaltending? The Flyers are by far the most attractive option at this point.
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atlanta and tampa. both supposedly interested in mason and ellis. nabby and turco really seemed like they screwed themselves by not taking w/e flyers offered.
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
perhaps but i’ve read they are content with varly and neuvirth while concentrating on second line center but with this market they can probably pull it off.
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
if Ellis does go to TB that basically means that only Atlanta and hopefully the Flyers are left looking for starters. San Jose going for niitty really throws the market in the flyers favor but they need to clear cap room.
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if he really thinks Eklund is reputable or not.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe 4% of the time.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
kausatoday:
If G Dan Ellis ends up in Tampa, where does that leave Chris Mason, Marty Turco and Evgeni Nabokov?
good question indeed.
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:05 PM EDT reply actions
Vancouver isn’t going for a goalie they have Luongo and a backup in Schnieder.
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Nabby has to be watching this and thinking I should have signed with the Flyers.
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, Travis, I can’t imagine how you’re managing to keep up with this thread and posting articles at the same time, this is insane
I finished making lunch at like, 11:50. Haven’t had a chance to eat it yet.
:(
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn that Stevie Y is good.
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January 11, 1976
Yep.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
TSN defends paying 3 million per year for Colby Armstrong, Hartnell’s contract looks good in comparison. If a USA teams signed him at the number they would be complaining about how much he got overpaid.
Yeah, I’m gonna change it shortly.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Rossi_on_Pens Pens believe its them and another team for Martin. They’re working hard to get him.
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January 11, 1976
The Non-Perfect Market World Now Takes Hold
I’ve been saying that Ellis would be overpaid (as was Leighton) because he is the (unfairly) fair-haired child in this environment. We now will see.
Note: this is why Biron signed cheap. He has been through the non-perfect market before.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
What did he sign for?
You're living in a parallel universe. Do not attempt angle parking.
January 11, 1976
REALLY 900K????????
Then we REALLY overpaid for Leighton!!!!
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
From Sharks GM Doug Wilson via text message regarding Niitty: ``He is the guy we wanted." so that means that Tampa and San Jose are done on the goalie front. Only Atlanta and hopefully Philly left
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:12 PM EDT reply actions
Biggest shocker so far? Malhotra for 3/7.5, Biron being the first goalie to go, or Rathje still on the board 2 hours into FA … DEBATE!
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tpanotch:
Good guy Brian Boucher could be waived , too to cut $$ but there’s lots of possibilities here
flyers still making moves?
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:14 PM EDT reply actions
Immediately preceeding that he talked about them moving 5M too, so who knows
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Or Carcillo…
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Ye Gods I hope not. Carcillo has much better skills than Shelley. He’s an older Cote – why the hell would we sign him???
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
TheFourthPeriod:
Told by one exec… nabokov may have to lower price tag if he wants to sign soon
no sh$t. we knew this days ago. nabby is looking really dumb for turning down the flyers
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions
Can he play goal?
I love the Flyers so much I even went to Bobby Clarke Day Camp.
by billy_pilgrim on Jul 1, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
What the hell is this? Jody Shelley? I know he almost single-handedly won those last two regular season games for the Rangers, but really?
Capgeek says $1.1 PER YEAR. For that money, I’d rather have Carcillo.
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
If we were going to swipe a FA winger from the Rags, couldn’t it have at least been Prospal?
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
wyshynski:
Signing goons. Goalie mess. Ah, Philly, never change. RT @TSNBobMcKenzie Jody Shelley to PHI 3-year deal.
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:18 PM EDT reply actions
Records
Currently holds the all time record in penalty minutes (420) for the Halifax Mooseheads of the QMJHL.
Also, he currently holds the single season record for penalty minutes (357) for the Syracuse Crunch of the AHL
Holds single-game penalty minutes record for the San Jose Sharks. (41)
DISCUSSION THREAD PART TWO
http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2010/7/1/1547572/july-1-discussion-thread-part-two
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capgeek:
Jody Shelley signing pretty much maxes out the #nhlfa #flyers cap space http://bit.ly/aoLmTx
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