July 1 discussion thread, part two.
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Okay, so let’s think about this. Shelley signing at $1.1 million probably means Carcillo was asking for a good bit over that, right?
That’s what I’m thinking (hoping?).
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
OK who the FU@K allowed Clark to use the phone?
bread. butter. cheese. VICTORY!
by Prometheus74 on Jul 1, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
didn’t powe and giroux play well together before?
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
ok 1.1 million a year for shelley is ridiculously stupid. wtf is going on homer?
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions
tpanotch:
I dont understand this J. Shelley signing at all. Flyers don’t need another tough guy unless he plays goal
Thursday July 1, 2010 2:22 tpanotch
Yep.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
gagne or carter headed out of town maybe?
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
How about instead we give up this new Shelley thug we just signed. :P
Sign and trade, like they do in the NBA all the time.
by SteelBirdFlyer on Jul 1, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
well
in the NBA they sign a player already on their team to a contract and then trade, rather than sign an FA and then trade them.
I know, I know. I was just trying to lighten the mood. :)
by SteelBirdFlyer on Jul 1, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It already happened we added two 6ft 2 plus 220 lb plus D-Men and 6ft 3in 230 lb in Shelly that is big.
I am confused about this.
I think the comment above about Clark getting on the phone would explain it – but otherwise I’m just as confused.
This doesn’t leave enough money to keep Powe and Carcillo, I don’t think. And taking Shelley over Carcillo is just DUMB. Carcillo can at least score once a month, rather than Shelley scoring once a season or so.
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
tpanotch:
I dont understand this J. Shelley signing at all. Flyers don’t need another tough guy unless he plays goal
lol some humor. elephant is still in the room.
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:23 PM EDT reply actions
Shelley only played 21 games with the Rags last season. Anyone know why? Injury or sent down?
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unless we pull the carter for vokuon and then all is forgiven.
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
So many weird, unexpected moves. I’m not going to call it bad just yet (although I’m completely confused about Shelley).
Its been a bad day...
We just wasted 2.1 million in cap space.
add in leightons 1.55
and mesza and coburn being overpaid. i don’t mind those guys but at 7.2 combined ouch
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
and mesza and coburn being overpaid. i don’t mind those guys but at 7.2 combined ouch
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
people on the rangers boards are not happy about this. Sounds like some people wanted him back, even at the price. I don’t know I agree with that.
capgeek:
Jody Shelley signing pretty much maxes out the #nhlfa #flyers cap space http://bit.ly/aoLmTx
WRONG COPY & PASTE
NYP_Brooksie:
Regarding Jody Shelley to Flyers for 3×1.1: inexplicable blunder by Rangers.
maybe he's good at hockey
bleh, i’m ambivalent. waiting to see how many other shoes drop.
If we trade Gagne or Carter or even hartnell in exchange for guys like Jody Shelley I’m going to be in tears very soon
… well maybe not for Hartnell … I assume Shelley can at least stand up on his skates which is an upgrade over Hartnell
Okay well sub Briere for Hartnell in my sentence, better?
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
god if we trade danny i’m going to punch homer in the face
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Jody Shelley signing makes my brain hurt.
Dear Homer, stop spending money.
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is the market that bad for goalies? nabby and turco look dumb as rocks now
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
wtf Flyers could’ve had him had they not jumped the gun with leights or got shelley
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
DAMN. A tandem of Leighton and Ellis would have made me happy. Signing Shelley – not so much.
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHA
Micheal Leighton, 1.55MM
HAHAHAHA
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m so glad I don’t like Michael Leighton lol
Preaching the Inglewood Jack
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 1, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m already wondering at what point, Micheal “Jesus” Leighton gets crucified next season. I’m thinking by November 1st, any love anybody has for the guy is going to be replaced with calls for Holmgrens job.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Double-fuck…
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
what an awful day
between the utley news and now this, today has been an outright failure. Has Bob Clarke retaken the GM role or something? These moves seem absolutely terrible. WE NEED A GOALIE. Does anyone in the Flyers organization know this? 7.2 mill for Coburn and Mez? Seems ludicrous to me. And Jody Shelley? forreal? ugh. and now people are saying we could have had ellis for less than 2 mill per? this just gets worse and worse
seriously. that 7.2 mil is ridiculous. the market is so good to get an upgrade in goal and homer failed
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2010-11 Philadelphia Flyers, sort of ($6000.00 left)
Note that Carcillo has to go in this scenario. Signing Shelley is bizarre IMO. But I thought that last capgeek roster I posted was “stable”. This one isn’t. Something else has to happen.
FORWARDS
Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Simon Gagne ($5.250m)
Jeff Carter ($5.000m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m)
Ian Laperriere ($1.167m) / * Shelley ($1.100m) / Claude Giroux ($0.822m)
Ville Leino ($0.800m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / * Darroll Powe ($0.572m)
Riley Cote ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.438m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / * O’Donnell ($1.000m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
GOALTENDERS
Michael Leighton ($1.550m) / Brian Boucher ($0.925m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 22; CAP: $59.4m; PAYROLL: $60.032m; CAP ROOM: $0.006m BONUSES: $0.637m
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One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
We get to be 10% over the Cap until the end of September…. I expect Homer to use it
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
there has to be a trade coming. carter and carbomb for vokoun. plz!!!!
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that 6,000 in cap room? Am I reading that right?
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Travis, correct. Here, Without Cote or Carcillo
Note that we are at 21 skaters here, not much more room in either cap hit or total active roster numbers (only one over minimum). . And no, we can’t replace Boosh with Backlund since the cap hit difference will be higher in that scenario.
Again, this is an unstable roster I think.
FORWARDS
Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Simon Gagne ($5.250m)
Jeff Carter ($5.000m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m)
Ian Laperriere ($1.167m) / * Shelley ($1.100m) / Claude Giroux ($0.822m)
Ville Leino ($0.800m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / * Darroll Powe ($0.572m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.438m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / * O’Donnell ($1.000m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
GOALTENDERS
Michael Leighton ($1.550m) / Brian Boucher ($0.925m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 21; CAP: $59.4m; PAYROLL: $59.482m; CAP ROOM: $0.556m BONUSES: $0.637m
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
We haven’t improved AT ALL
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, that’s what – $24 million on defense alone??? You’d better be able to let my dog put on the pads and get shutouts for that kind of money.
And I just really do NOT understand the Shelley signing AT ALL. I was feeling so good … right up until that came along. Now, I need to walk away for a while.
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Calgary learned the hard way not to over-spend on defense. Fortunately – unlike them – we have guys who can score.
Still though… goaltending?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
i know and the market is so good for goalies right now. why homer why?
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
this is a great point. There was four quality ufa goalies available-nabokov, turco, ellis, mason-and only 2-3 teams looking for a goalie. the market was perfect to FINALLY bring a quality goalie to this franchise. instead they stick with 10 foot 5-hole Leighton. For christ sake i would have rather brought back biron. and im dead serious when i say that
why is today so bad?
we now have a beast defense. Ok so Shelley isnt as fun as Carcillo, but he (obviously) is gonna cost a lot less. we can put a mite on ice in net and still shut down teams.
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
B/C we overpaid a Goalie who cant do the Job we need him to fill
We overpaid the D talent we did get
And Waisted $$ on a good
When We Still Need A Goalie
bread. butter. cheese. VICTORY!
hes a fourth line goon, and decent a defense
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
Im not saying they are all horrible moves, but each move has some flaws that are adding up fast.
bread. butter. cheese. VICTORY!
OK
But each move added up makes us better then last season
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
could sink any team.
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Not every team is spent to the cap quite like us. We’re not uniquely screwed in case of injury, but we certainly never give ourselves flexibility.
Take the star of any team and it’s big trouble is what I should have said. Also, if your big guy ($ and talent) goes down you get cap room, don’t you?
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You only get the cap room until they come back, though
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, I knew there was something like that.
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Sorry I just had visions of the whole Upshall situation when Briere came back from injury
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Quick — think happy thoughts. Giroux…
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Oh, I know! I just don’t want to worry about being in that position again this year, I’m scared of what could happen
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you. I’m just saying that we have no flexibility, and it doesn’t even need to be a star that goes down to doom us. It could be a roster player. It could be Leino.
I’m thinking positively today. OK, I think that way everyday. Drives everyone around me nuts, but I’m just an optimist.
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You haven’t been a Philly sports fan long have you?
Only since Bobby Orr was a rookie. Check out my tagline too.
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You should know better
You’re not a real sports fan until you’re a total cynic. Me I am not worried until there’s something to worry about. I like the moves the Flyers made. That could have done some things differently but it looks like they generally improved the team. Obviously though I can understand that the people who hate on Leighton are unhappy…
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I'll never be a real sports fan then.
I’ll never be a cynic. Skeptical at times, yes, but never cynical. I’ll watch the whole game for that one save, that one move. I’m naive too. Trusting as well. And the eternal optimist, that’s me. If it’s happened once, if it’s never happened; you never know: this might be the time. Don’t miss it.
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Is he going to be playing with worse players in 2010-2011 than he was in 2009-2010?
The point is that the team improved. Yeah, we would have liked it to improve more, but…
nah
He’ll play with a better JVR, and Powe, whos a better shooter then Asham
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
trust me
I love Asham and wish hed stay, but not over Powe or carcillo
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
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Arron Asham is 100% gone from PHI. Admitted so to @ChrisBottaNHL. Ash will fetch decent price at market.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
cause leighton signed for 1.55. ellis was signed for 1.5. we just signed shelley. we did not sign a goalie in one of the best buyers markets ever. we spent 24mil on defense.
oh but its okay…..
Dan Ellis = Leighton, and I’d rather give the nod to leighton
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
really, because Ellis has lost as many staring jobs over his career as leighton. Im no leighton fan, would have rather have Nabby. But Id rather have mez + Odonold + Leighton then Bartulis + Syvert + Nabby
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
Dan Ellis is slightly better than Leighton.
BUT we lost $600 K in cap space. Awful.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
If $1.1 million is less than carcillo is looking for – let him walk and take the comp pick. But I still wouldn’t sign Shelley regardless!
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree 100%
When do you ever open your Christmas presents and find you got everything you wanted?
If you got a sweet remote control car and a fun new video game, stop complaining about the dumb sweater.
So, only been a Flyer fan for a short time, then.
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No my friend, I have been obsessed for over 30 years.
I just didnt want to lay it on too thick!
bread. butter. cheese. VICTORY!
Only 30 years??? :-))
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
I know, I didn’t want to mention that but how many of us really old fans are there here?
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27 years and counting.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember when they only broadcast the 3rd period.
(RIP Gene Hart)
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Stop waving your cane around, oldtimer. You’re liable to bust something and we can’t afford any injuries.
You're living in a parallel universe. Do not attempt angle parking.
January 11, 1976
/lets in raccoon to house, retells same joke/story 85th time, stumbles while walking, reads yesterday’s newspaper for 8th time (actually, “reads a newspaper”)
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
That all? Newcomer! Good man.
You're living in a parallel universe. Do not attempt angle parking.
January 11, 1976
Yeah I was a late bloomer at 7 back in 84. Before that I could only count to Schmidt.
by zot22 on Jul 1, 2010 3:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m 34 now, been going to games since I was 6.
So… 28 years.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Dedication. Devotion. Turning all the night time into the day.
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You all are making my 21 years of devoted fandom seem small; even though mine started at 6 as well, it’s just that I’m only 27.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m at 29, because I’m assuming I can’t count time in the womb.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Were your parents fans?
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
My dad’s watched them since ’67. Mom would watch, but was never super into it.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
There you go. You were already part of the “charter” group pre-birth.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
35 years for me. Since the first Cup run in ’74 when I was all of 7 years old. OT, but does anyone on here remember the Philadelphia Firebirds?
In Latvia, they're rooting for Bartulis' team, the Filadelfijas Flaieri!
Was that the rival team in Philly at the same time as the early Flyers? If so, then yes. :)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The Firebirds were the AHL team in Philly in the late 70s. We would go see them play at the old Civic Center.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Firebirds_%28ice_hockey%29
In Latvia, they're rooting for Bartulis' team, the Filadelfijas Flaieri!
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I honestly can’t help but wonder whether this beefed-up defense means Leighton will wind up our No. 1 after all this…
Blockquoting is consistently not working for me today
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s funny how everyone’s heads are exploding already.
by Giroux-ling for Cheese on Jul 1, 2010 2:35 PM EDT reply actions
You must chill! You must chill! I have hidden your keys! Chill!
by ohnickels on Jul 1, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Give me my Firebird keys!
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DNFlyers
Sean O’Donnell: Paul Holmgren called within the first 5 minutes of free agency.
Really, that high on him?
I have no problem with that signing its the $8.3 million tied up in coburn, mez, and shelley
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Boogaard Vs Shelley
Good times, good times
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Sure, you can nickname him Snot as in he had the...
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Yes, this makes me most unhappy as well. One thing to comfort: if the diagnosis is 4-6 weeks, he’ll only be out 4. Book it.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
Yeah, I just hated that the “6 weeks” tweet came from the Phillies official twiiter and not from a beat reporter
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It was yesterday’s news that he was hurt, but he didn’t see the specialist in NY until today. They recommended surgery and he’ll be out 4-8 weeks.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
Listen, you won’t find a bigger Chico fan on here then me, but… As good as he was, he was always “the little guy”. Size of the fight in the dog is something little people say to make themselves feel better. There’s a reason we didn’t fight at all in the damn playoffs.
We’ve now got the #1 Defense in the league, along with the Stanley Cup Playoffs best goalie, and added a brawler to the team as well.
What’s the crying about?
by BroadStreetBully on Jul 1, 2010 2:38 PM EDT reply actions
Problem is to my mind we added a brawler at the expense (at very least) of signing Carcillo, who can sort-of fight and sort-of score – far more valuable in my mind than another Cote clone!
The defense, OK I see it – although I would have preferred less tied up in cap space there. Signing Leighton, I feel I am in the minority on but definitely feel it was a good move by Homer. Whether he splits time with another 1A like Mason/Ellis (although I hear Ellis is out) or plays as a starter, I’m ok with it.
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, Cote’s record was around 8 wins, 53 losses. Shelly’s a damn sight better.
by BroadStreetBully on Jul 1, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
True – but he’s still one-dimensional. How about Lappy, who can kill penalties AND fight? Why do we need a brawler – we already have one of the chippiest lineups in the league!
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Real_ESPNLeBrun:
Asked Turco how he’s holding up, via BBM says, ``I have faith."
well if you had half a brain Marty you’d have taken the flyers “lowball” offer
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT reply actions
not really. We all knew that it was a buyer’s market for goalies and that turco/ nabby would need to take big paycuts. those guys are dumb for turning down the flyers offers
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I am shocked we good Leighton at what everyone said Leighton should get. We got Coburn at what everyone thought he should get. We added a young stud and a vet to sure up the 3rd Pairing.
Meszaros and O’Donnell is so much better like sooooo much better than Bartulis/Parent/Krajeick.
i agree the d is better but we could do better in goal
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Coburn at that salary for a longer term, yes. Otherwise its too much. Leighton, yes – actually happy with that. Meszaros, if he regains his Ottawa form, great. If he has continued misteaks like Tampa, NOPE. ANd I do think Bartulis is ready for NHL minutes.
My biggest issue here is the Shelley signing. I just don’t get it.
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that is most people’s problem. Everyone was okay with what was going on before, (maybe a little worried about how much cap space was going to defense, but still okay with everything) then we get word of the Shelley signing and it’s “ALL THE MOVES ARE HORRIBLE!”
I don’t like this Shelley nonsense either, but I hardly think it’s “The worst day evar!!!!” as some people have posted.
by SteelBirdFlyer on Jul 1, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh.
I’m pretty sure I’m going to sneak into the Flyers’ front office tonight and leave a huge steaming dump on Holmgren’s desk.
Better not, he would probably sign it.
by TheFlyingWooly on Jul 1, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Ouch. That hurt.
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Soooo the Flyers could’ve not traded for Mezaros and NOT signed Shelley and could’ve afforded Martin????
A UFA free agent with a big ticket was not going to sign here to play on the 5th pair. MONEY was not the issue. Unlike other sports NHL is not all about the money it is role on the team.
Small silver lining?
euroflyers
Just have to say, Jody Shelley is the nicest guy you’ll ever meet off the ice. Played on my home town team during last NHL lockout.
I was joking, I just figured I’d post the tweet
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Shelley’s wife as hot as Holly though???
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t mind the overspending on D. Everyone is overspending on D. To keep up with the Jones’, you gotta spend that money. And they didn’t COMPLETELY overspend. And they made the D a lot better in my opinion. I don’t care much for the Shelley signing, but have no prob. with Coburn, Meszaros & O’Donnell. Excited about it actually. Just wish they saved some on Ellis or Nabby, or even Mason. Cause like someone said, for G, it is a buyers market. Still time though. Keep those fingers crossed.
yes but the only way that works is if a trade is imminent
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
On the bright side, we still have the leverage for a goalie.
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You’re right. But there’s zero cap room for anything other than an absolute minimum contract at the moment.
I doubt they go into the season like this, though. I mean, they just can’t.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
They won't. Patience.
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I still say Homer uses his 10% over the cap allowance for the short term
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t expect Homer to think that way though, the Flyers are rarely in an advantageous position from that standpoint
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
how about we trade carter and carbomb for vokoun. i think in terms of cap that works out
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
But in terms of value, it doesn’t. Flyers would need more in return and Florida might not have anything else they’re willing to give.
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by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Jul 1, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
To be honest with you, the signing of Shelley is really the only move that bugs me.
I resingned myself to the fact that Leighton was going to be brought back as I was watching him between the pipes during the SCF. Fortunately we upgraded on D…even if we did spend a tad too much.
All in all it’s not as doom and gloom as some are making it out to be.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
What is the $$ amount on Ellis deal?
I’ve seen $1.5, I’ve seen 900K. If $1.5, then Leighton is a “minor” blunder, with Leighton getting a “bonus” for earlier performance (kinda like Jamie Moyer’s 2nd year in the contract signed in 2008). BUT if $900K then Leighton signing is a major blunder.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Thanks.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
we totally could have had him. instead of leights and shelley we could have ellis
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really
I’ve been watching Ellis for years. He is a slight upgrade from Leighton. He (legitimately!) lost out to both Rinne and Mason. Yes, an upgrade, but we’re paying in arrears for Leighton.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
also
all these deals are for two years or less. which, in reality, is when JVR is a free agent and is due his raise. So say Caret stays at 5 mill, Giroux get up to 3.5 mill, JVR gets 3 mill. Then we have a goalie prospect in, Marshall and MAB are ready for full time. and our only real lose will be Gagne (or hartnell or Briere, if we trade) and we can still fit under the cap. all these move are just a way to stay competitive for long and short term. Teams like Chicago blow the load for 1 season, then have to dump everybody, and some teams, like ATL, are stuck in rebuilding mode year in and year out. All this day tells me is that We are one of the few teams that will have a good 7 year window ahead of us.
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
What decision? We have no money left.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
$1.1 million is about $600,000 too much for press box duty.
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by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Jul 1, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Replaces him as the useless forward on our payroll.
Oh, and we haven’t gotten rid of the first one yet.
We’ll waive him, but waivers aren’t open yet, hence the 10% cushion
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
an ice skating bear could replace Cote
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
by JpH89 on Jul 1, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I would pay 1.1 mil to watch an ice skating bear….or a team of ice skating bears……HOMER WHERE ARE YOU?? ICE SKATING BEARS…. BHL Bear Hockey League.
This could totally work! How many goals will Crosby be able to score after a bear rips his arms off?
LOL! :)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJjiZxOLEbY
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
Even without Cote, we do not have money for both Carcillo and Powe
(Unless we make a trade). It’s $556 without Cote or Carcillo (see above capgeek roster)
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
OUCH...
TheFourthPeriod:
haha… ouch. well, bolts should get their upgrade shortly from what i hear RT @erlendssontrib Any body would be an upgrade over Meszaros
not good comment especially a guy we will pay $4 million next season. we could have a top goalie for $4million
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Worse than last year?
I don’t understand where that thought comes from.
Trading Emery, Krajicek, Parent, Asham, Carcillo, and a 2nd round pick for Meszaros, O’Donnell, Shelley and a 3rd round pick?
Getting a very high quality third pairing in return for beloved-but-replaceable bottom-6 forwards? It might not be what you had in mind — it’s not what I had been looking for — but this is a very clear improvement to the roster.
Someone get Clark out of the war room!!!
Did anyone see the Flyers get pushed around last season? No? Then someone please explain why we’ve added such ENORMOUS players – all above 6-2 and 220. And particularly why we needed a ‘top-flight’ brawler? Can’t Lappy, Carcillo, et all fight enough? Does the second-most penalized team in the league need a pure fighter under a contract that damn near dictates he gets minutes and not press-box time?
I got it belatedly – the moment was gone though. :-/
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Um, yeah. That’s what its called. The Wach is no more. Not sure when the official announcement will be though.
kuklaskorner:
Who else could use a starting goalie like Nabokov except Philly? We may start hearing KHL talk regarding Nabby.
so it looks like KHL for Nabby
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 2:58 PM EDT reply actions
THAT I agree with – but I still think it’s too much.
by MaximumTalbot on Jul 1, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
We have history in "recycling" out of favor TB defensemen
Matt Carle. Just saying.
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One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
He’s on the All-Bust Flyers line from the past two decades, with Daigle, Oates, Coffey, Jones, and Cechmanek.
whoa … the only reason Coffey went down hill was because Lindros ran his ass over one night in Vancouver (New Years Eve game). He got concussed and was never the same.
I remember that.
Seemed funny at the time – I guess it wasn’t. :(
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Coffey was one of the best Dman of his era. Especially a guy who could anchor your PP unit. And Oates was 1000 yrs old when he came here. But he is also a HOF. THe rest, yeah, busts. Maybe not Cechmanek. I don’t like him, but he wasn’t a bust really.
This is relative to contract and what we gave up for them. We bail on Ouellet before he could be considered a true stinker.
Alright I’ll concede that one, we just let him take up space with the Phantoms and wasted a very important pick
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Cechmanek was pretty good, look at his numbers. He just was a nut job.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
But Carle was barely even there in TB… I usually forget it and just go back to his time with the Sharks immediately
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know, just trying to stop the leapings off the bridge.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Maybe the slowest line in the league….
Powe must have been available for less than 1.1mil, and there’s not a single thing than Shelley does better that we should actually care about. I feel like this is a regression by the Flyers’ brass.
Precisely. In no way is Shelley an upgrade in any sense. I only hope that we can somehow banish him to the minors.
Bettman approved that deal?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
He did blackmail the city into approving that bond to cover the teams losses, didn’t he?
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
tpanotch:
I asked Shelley is he looks forward to fighting Boogaard 6 times this season: "I certainly am, absolutely," Shelley replied.
Can we change the tag-line on top of the site back to the old one?
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 3:17 PM EDT reply actions
Actually I think we should change it to: Passing up solid goaltending since 2010.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
I disagree there, summer of 85 was before the accident. Pelle was set for the start of the season
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Not for lack of trying, though. I liked that Hexy dude a lot.
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just saw this about an hour ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8_wrJpRDaU&feature=player_embedded
bread. butter. cheese. VICTORY!
Yeah Hextall was awesome … he could stop anything that come from inside your own zone … once you got past the red line things started getting a little dicey.
But what a left hook right cross combo.
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Hahaha… would it really be this year though? There have to have been others years where we had options
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d have taken Anderson or clemmenson last year
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Vanbiesbrouck over Joseph or richter
by bfrank27 on Jul 1, 2010 3:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
but beezers first yr here was great. After that….. And CUJO was the right move. Sorry beezer, but CUJO was lights out for Toronto for the next 3 yrs. CUJO looked SOOOO good in those playoffs with the Oilers in 98 didn’t he?
I still don’t understand why we never signed Richter.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Why not just make it: “What’s goaltending?”
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by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Jul 1, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
- or #2… can never decide, as long as he can stand inbetween the pipes
by Ant on Jul 1, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Good idea for a new site competition though, come up with the new slogan, must be goalie focused.
by Ant on Jul 1, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I wanted an upgrade in goal, too, but let’s not get too carried away about passing up perennial playoff chokers Nabakov and Turco and unproven Dan Ellis. It might have been a “buyers” market for goalies this year, but still, by no means was the free agent class all that good or deep.
by SteelBirdFlyer on Jul 1, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand ya, but let’s not get carried away and assume that Leighton is better than any of those options.
In no way do I think he is, but a lot of people seem to be reacting as if any of the free agents would have been our savior, and I just don’t think signing one of them would have made that much difference. Nabby lets in soft goals at bad times, too, you know.
by SteelBirdFlyer on Jul 1, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but I think the Flyers would’ve been better off with Nabby than Leighton. However, that is now a scenario reserved for Hypothetical Land.
I totally agree with you. Just trying to get people to stop jumping off the Titanic.
(metaphor clarification — saying that the Flyers are not the Titanic, not that they are the Titanic and I’m getting people to stay on it even though it’s sinking)
by SteelBirdFlyer on Jul 1, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like a food network special
by bfrank27 on Jul 1, 2010 3:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Next on food network learn how to microwave your leftovers, stay tuned…things are heating up with Chris Mason
by bfrank27 on Jul 1, 2010 3:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
…turns out he was cooking some spaghetti.
(not a real quote.)
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by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Jul 1, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha.
Great, now I want spaghetti.
I love the Flyers so much I even went to Bobby Clarke Day Camp.
by billy_pilgrim on Jul 1, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Who said that one?
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
well, someone do the math for me.
If we waive boosh and cote, shelley never makes the team, we trade carcillo back to phoenix, don’t carry a 13th forward, do we have enough for a $2MM contract?
We can skate with 11 guys every night, who needs a 3rd line RW, Leino can doubleshift.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Please not Mason. The guy looks like a total douchebag.
by BroadStreetBully on Jul 1, 2010 3:25 PM EDT reply actions
Have you guys seen the new NHL link on free agency?
I find it so much easier and natural to watch.
by BroadStreetBully on Jul 1, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions
Carchidi is such a dickhead ….. My take: The chasm between #Flyers and Penguins got bigger today Sam Charchidi via Twitter
He’s on the beach in Ocean City today. Honestly. A hockey beat writer is at the beach on July 1.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
My hatred for him may have just ratcheted up one more notch, and I didn’t think it could get much higher than it already was
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re serious aren’t you! I may never read him again.
(Note: Travis, as bloglord, you have to, just in case nut drops on squirrel, yada yada).
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Sigh, I know I do.
And yes, I’m serious.
Just getting back from long walk on OC beach and see Jody Shelley has signed 3-yr deal w #Flyers.
http://twitter.com/BroadStBull/status/17514941100
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
he apparently forgot that the pens have no wingers for crosby and malkin
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
they also have no heart and no real fans … only thing they got going for them in a commissioner in their back pocket.
I wouldn’t say they have no real fans, every team has some
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
What is interesting is that Rangers fans on Twitter seem to be angry about losing Shelley? I do not understand.
#NYR lose tough guy, and key locker room leader, Jody Shelley, who signs 3 years $3.3 million with Flyers
Regarding Jody Shelley to Flyers for 3×1.1: inexplicable blunder by Rangers.
Maybe those crazy Rags fans see him as a Laperriere type?
We’ll get the chance to personally thank him for that game 82 shootout though.
I went to Blueshirt Banter to ask and got shouted down. They’re pissed over there.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Boogaard and Shelley, I think. You’re asking me to decipher Ranger-speak, that’s a tall task..
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
BEAT ME TO IT.
NYP_Brooksie:
Regarding Jody Shelley to Flyers for 3×1.1: inexplicable blunder by Rangers.
Again, maybe I am not seeing it. But what are we missing?
NYP_Brooksie:
Regarding Jody Shelley to Flyers for 3×1.1: inexplicable blunder by Rangers.
Again, maybe I am not seeing it. But what are we missing?
You know, before I came to England, I lived in the part of NJ that was near NYC – the Rags fans love Shelley. I have no idea why. But, knowing how much he was loved, I somewhat understand why they are upset. I don’t agree that they should be, but I understand that they are.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
These are the same people that criticized Shelley after game 82 because his goal against the Flyers was only like his 2nd or 3rd of the season?
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Real_ESPNLeBrun Says source close to the Flyers: ``Patience."
OK so that was a little cut and paste work. Still true though.
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funny thing I was reading this one
Real_ESPNLeBrun:
Says source close to Turco: ``Patience."
and thought Marty is an idiot. All patience is going to do for him is guarantee that some gm will get him for less than the lowball offer the Flyers offered him and he will think “damn, I should have taken that deal when I had the chance”
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this Shelly think has gotten everyone side tracked from the excitement we should be feeling about Mezaros and O’Donnell come on people that is our 3rd pair our D is so solid right now
indeed our d is very solid, it’s what’s hiding behind the d that scares me
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I still am happy about them. I love it. Just a little bittersweet with the Pens signings of good dmen today also.
agreed. that and if we didn’t sign shelley so that we wouldn’t have uncertainty about carbomb and powe
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Mistake prone overpayment paired with slow-footed veteran? Yes, please.
I’m exaggerating, obviously. I like both of them individually. But it’s a lot of money for a third pairing that I’d still not sold on.
it is the 3rd paring so they aren’t going to be over matched too often and they are big enough to erase guys unlike Bartulis and Parent who got over matched by newest sniper Flyer Jody Shelly
Too bad the Flames aren’t ECF. What is Sutter thinking if this is true?
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Oxymoronic
Sutter, thinking
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Sutters are over-rated. With that name people think they are the be all and end of all hockey knowledge. One Sutter = playoff failure Two Sutter Brothers = Monumental Disaster of a Season
Are you referring to the 3 seasons where we had two of them on defense here, or this past year in Calgary where one was coach and one was GM? Because all 3 that we had two of them weren’t exactly monumental disasters
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, well if you’re talking about the Flames then, they have 4 of them if I’m not mistaken
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Even Glen Sather passed. Think about that.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Flames are all for mulligans today bringing back Jokinen and Tanguay
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m just waiting for the whole body of work before I post my review. I can’t help but feel there is still more coming and that could make this look really good, not so good, or searching out the person who has registered FireHolmgrenNow.com.
by zot22 on Jul 1, 2010 3:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Probably a seattle seahawks fan
by bfrank27 on Jul 1, 2010 3:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Funny and Fast. Lethal. Rec'd
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Good signing for them. Slight raise for Tallinder.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Tallinder vs. Meszaros
Can someone evaluate here? Did Homer get hosed? Same length of contract!
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Understood. But if Tallider>Meszaros, not only did he pay more, he gave up a draft choice.
Although I wonder if they could not get other options since Meszaros might be 3rd D-line (and Tallider/other FAs would have had to be willing to be that; Meszaros in this scenario has no choice).
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
doesn’t matter. Meszaros makes $4 million which is a bit much
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Soooo
Does the fact that Turco and Nabakov are going to be playing for peanuts next year somehow lessen what we would have to pay for Vokoun if we traded for him?
I know Vokoun is likely better than both of them but this has to set some sort of low watermark in the goalie commodity market, right?
to me it seems like Nabby is likely headed for KHL now
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the craziest part of today is that Bleacher Report called my “class” into question on Twitter because I said they suck. What are they, Pens fans?
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Deserved raise, though.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather have Foster at that price than Mez at $4million
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
$2 million that could have gone to signing a goalie to at least compete with Leights
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
But then we would be face with the whole having a draft pick in a round in which the number doesn’t end in “th” and we just can’t have that.
by bfrank27 on Jul 1, 2010 4:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Meszaros (4M) vs. Tallider (3.4) vs. Fosters (1.8) + cap room?
That is the real choice Homer made here folks. Minus our 2nd rounder.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
once again UFA guys would sign here to play on the 3rd pairing and Ellis wouldn’t sign here to compete with Leighton he thinks he has a better shot of playing over Mike Smith
RIght (didn’t see your earlier reply to my earlier post, sorry, we cross-posted).
And I totally agree on Ellis vs. Smith. Ride the pine, Mike.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
What the hell...
So I step out for an hour, and while I’m gone we sign O’Donnell and JODY SHELLEY? And Ellis goes to Tampa Bay?
What are we doing?!
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Has it really only been an hour? I feel like I’ve been here all day
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
*an hour since we signed Shelley, I meant
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope, but they got Martin and Mihalek so it doesn’t feel like a huge win.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Duh. Thanks for that 3rd rounder Shero. (Course, we gave up the 2nd for Meszaros).
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One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
This “may” include a “hometown” discount. (At least in Danny’s mind).
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Hamhuis is 6 years x $4.5M with VAN, but paperwork still being finalized.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuckin’ dickhead. I hope he is this years Jay Bouwmeester…
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Twitter
dchesnokov:
Anton Volchenkov is very close (read: “Done”) to signing a 6 year deal with the New Jersey Devils. It’s safe to say Volchenkov is a Devil
Oh, crap.
From Puck Daddy’s @dchesnokov: "Anton Volchenkov is very close (read: “Done”) to signing a 6 year deal with Devils"
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Wow, this day just keeps getting worse and worse.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Just with one less 3rd Round Pick
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
the only thing worse that could happen right now is Homer finally getting a goalie….and it turns out to be Toskala
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
so good news: Pitt still lacking wingers. Bad news: Pitt’s d just got better
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Well on the brightside...
I feel like Pitt and NJ had to overextend themselves to try and make their Defense as good as Philly’s.
difference being that both pitt and nj have goalies
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I forget: is next season an “on” season for Fleury? And what about Brodeur? He’s on the downhill side, I think, which means he’ll probably stone the Pens and be crushed by ATL. NYR. NYI, OTT, FLA and TB. Flyers are a given, of course.
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At $4.5 mil. That is friggen steep. Haha Suck it VAN
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Gillis must see him as improving to the point where in 3 years he’s a bargain at $4.5M if in fact that’s what he’ll be getting in three years. Given how D are the new coin of the realm for now at least, he could be right.
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wow
Mesz @ $4m is a significantly better deal IMO.
So he could turn out to be either worth the money or gives us a headache with his cap hit then next 4 years.
he's already good
if he falters, he’s definitely tradeable.
yeah but
not as much to pay for your #4 guy / for 18-20 minutes per game
yeah, but you got to think, just because he is our 4 or 5 guy doesn’t make him a 4 or 5 guy. He is probably a good 2-3, but on our stellar defense, he gets pushed back. So to get a guy of that caliber, and play him a little less than he normally would, you have to overpay. Otherwise, who wants to take a lesser role for lesser money when you know that the person is capable of more.
wyshynski:
New Puck Daddy: Flyers force Rangers into overpaying for goon, angering fans http://yhoo.it/9VnEMT
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 4:23 PM EDT reply actions
Volchenkov a Devil? Okay, bring on the Devils hatred I haven’t felt so much lately…
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I said yesterday I was hoping he was gone from the conference and he ends up in the division
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I was hoping for the same thing. This just makes me feel sick…
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I was hoping he’d end up in the conference, in the division…on our team.
by SteelBirdFlyer on Jul 1, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
kausatoday:
Chris Mason is Atlanta’s new No. 1 goalie, signing a two-year deal with yearly salaries of $1.6 and $2.1 million.
micheal Leighton, 1.55MM
hahahahhaha
it’s really comical.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
philabright
Peanuts! RT @kausatoday Chris Mason is Atlanta’s new No. 1 goalie, signing a two-year deal with yearly salaries of $1.6 and $2.1 million.
Scientific experiment
Now we will be able to do a comparison of Ellis vs. Leighton vs. Mason.
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One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
and now Turco and Nabby are left out in the cold (of Russia for Nabby). They should have taken the offers given. I feel like Homer should have waited on signing leights.
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
TSNBobMcKenzie:
Darren Dreger reporting Olli Jokinen to CGY is on the verge of being finalized. $3M per year, two years. Go figure.
Ladies and Gentlemen
KoolAid will be served on the Mezzanine Level of the Saddledome after the signing of Olli “You’ve Gotta Be Joke-inen”….your favorite flavor, Cherry Red…
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c
They just showed Volchenkov’s hit on Gagne as one of his highlights… WOW.
Gone. Vomiting forever.
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/sends a transcontinental hug
It’s okay, we’ll have 6 games to get Lappy/Shelley/whoever to beat him up over that hit on Gagne
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you! I hope they beat the crap out of him. I wish I could do it myself.
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Well to be fair Gagne tried to do it himself… But I’m sure it will get taken care of
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I know he did. Was proud that he first cared about where the puck was, trying to help his team and THEN he took care of that… fugly Russian.
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Sorry I just woke up so I’m just reading this all for the first time, but Biron to the Rangers for half as much as Leighton?>!>!?
Nitty to the Sharks! And Foster signs with the Oilers. WTF is Homer doing!
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Gotta stop keeping NZ time.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
But not as many years.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Don’t hold your breath on that…
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I just don’t think he is a very good player to begin with.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
got to comment…i haven’t been too impressed with our pick-ups. I do think we have strengthened our D but still in a goalie quagmire (no giggity here) and our only winger we got is Shelley (loved him as a Jacket, good guy but we didn’t need another tough guy)
there has got to be a trade or something coming in the future. whether it be near or distant.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
McKenzie backed down on it
TSNBobMcKenzie
So I take it back, premature to say Ladd is a Thrasher. CHI and ATL have agreed to a trade, pending trade call.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
behindthenet
Bob Mackenzie says CBH players are unhappy at losing so many guys. Simple solution: 20% pay cut. Oh, rather make money than win cup again?
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, but still. as edbro said, people are still helping them. THey are getting even younger, more prospects and picks. Agreed, let them sweat it out. Let them hang on to players until they walk. Don;‘t help them by taking players they can’t afford to resign off their hands and giving them more cheap, fairly good players, or giving them a handful of draft picks.
They are definitely helping them with the cap, but Chicago is definitely going to be very different next year
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
hoping different is the equivalent of bad. Please let different be bad.
by Dozer3677 on Jul 1, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s how a salary dump trade works. The teams can’t send any real salary back to Chicago, it would defeat the purpose of the trade. And it’s not like Chicago is just trading away scrubs. They’re getting rid of legitimately good players. Why would the other teams wait? So a different team can swoop in and take the players that Chicago was originally offering to them?
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by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Jul 1, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
DarrenDreger Jokinen to Flames is done. 2 years, $3 mil per.
Head. Shaker.
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Hamhuis is official. Turned down more money from other teams to sign with the Canucks.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
the whole time he was jerking us & pitts around. He wanted to go home all along. That is fine, but why even bother negotiating with the flyers? I understand not putting it out there to the whole world, but….i don;t know. Oh well.
the goalies maybe and no one to pay them.
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Little old, but it’ll get me started:
mirtle
Top UFAs available: Kovalchuk, Nabokov, Kubina,Hamhuis,Volchenkov, Mitchell, Lombardi, Frolov, Selanne,C. Mason:
mirtle
More top UFAs: Turco,Tallinder,Whitney, Prospal, Stempniak, Cullen,Jokinen, Lydman, Afinogenov, Ponikarovsky:
Feel free to correct me if I failed to strike somebody out
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Ponikarovsky is not a top UFA. How long til he signs here?
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The Globe and Mail has him ranked as one. Their list is updated now with the guys who have signed somewhere crossed out, so I’ll just link it: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/globe-on-hockey/the-nhls-top-100-unrestricted-free-agents/article1611942/
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I would arbitrarily say 1-20 is “top”.
/feels sheepish at being called out by the writer. You do great stuff!
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Would Selanne sign anywhere other than ANA or just retire?
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I was just typing that. No, my thoughts are he won’t sign anywhere but Anaheim. He would probably retire first. But hell, I would take him for the same contract as Shelly (He would never sign it though) maybe a little more to play here. He was and still can be a hell of a goal scorer.
Koivu returns, Lydman signs up, does that mean another year for Flying Finn, Selanne, in Anaheim?
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Okay. So Panotch says Shelley means dropping Cote, and O’Donnell likely means dropping Bartulis. Let’s say the Flyers re-sign Powe for two or three years at a $650,000 cap hit and you’re left with this:
2010-11 PHILADELPHIA FLYERS
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Simon Gagne ($5.250m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Jeff Carter ($5.000m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($0.800m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($0.822m) / * Darroll Powe ($0.650m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Ian Laperriere ($1.167m)
DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Matt Carle ($3.438m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Sean O\’Donnell ($1.000m)
GOALTENDERS
Michael Leighton ($1.550m) / Brian Boucher ($0.925m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 20; CAP:$59.4m; PAYROLL: $58.960m; CAP ROOM: $1.078m BONUSES: $0.637m
That looks fine until you get to the goalies
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Theoretically, could dump Boosh and sign another goalie around ~2m. Who the hell knows how desperate Turco and Nabokov could become.
In reality… sigh, that Shelley contract seriously hurts. I see a trade in the Flyers future. I don’t know how they think they can get by otherwise.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
With regard to Shelley, I’m not 100% sure one way or the other yet. Need to give it some time to play out. It’s still a bit hard to get real reactions from the Rangers side of things, but from what I understand (from what Jonesy was saying on TSN), he could be really effective on a checking line. In other words, he’s probably a cheaper alternative to Carcillo and the Flyers will have that fourth line setup again, but won’t get as much production from it.
I agree we need to let it play out, but right now, I look at it as giving a 600k+ raise to Cote.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
commence the overpayment by the rags
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
TheFourthPeriod:
Kings are about to announce something big…
and there goes Kovie
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 5:06 PM EDT reply actions
Today Boston learned.....
they are stuck with a 5 million dollar backup for the next 3 years
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Was told about 20 minutes ago that there’s nothing close with Nabokov. http://bit.ly/bWGmwB
duh who is left to sign him. he should’ve taken flyers offer
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 5:09 PM EDT reply actions
that would be a nice idea but we’d have to clear cap space for him with a trade
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I kinda feel sorry for some of the smaller teams like the Islanders etc. They don’t get anyone new, and we get 3 marginal players. Why couldn’t they take them away from us.
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b/c they will stockpile another goalie. Theo to NYI lol
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t love to see this because I’m a Flyer fan, but if I was the Islanders, I’d have taken a strong run at Kolvachuk. They have the cap room and they could use another guy to go with Tavares. Putting Kolvy on his LW would be money.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Well the Devils and Pens got better, why not the Islanders too?
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It is weird that I haven’t heard a single peep about them today
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe with their inresolved ownership/location/venue situations they’re standing pat?
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I think you’re right.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The Buffalo Sabres have agreed to terms with defenseman Jordan Leopold on a 3-year deal. More details to follow.
Re: Kings
Follow up… let’s not get crazy yet, folks. Just told it’s not a signing, possible big trade.
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Can we vote you in for Philadelphia’s next top Flyers GM?
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personally, I’d take mike5 as GM of the flyers right now. Homer really seems to have jumped the gun on more than a few occassions today.
starting with the Leighton signing? was that necessary yesterday, when the market for UFA BACKUP goalies hadn’t been established yet?
Did he really need to trade for Meszaros today, could that deal not have waited a few days to let them possibly use that 4MM to sign a better D man? (Volchenkov/Mickalek anyone?)
Did we really need to upgrade Cote today?
I’m fine with Coburn/O’Donnell signing, but seems to me that’s all that really needed to get done.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Thought: It’s possible the Leighton signing helped set the market price for goalies.
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by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Jul 1, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
In that cases Ellis should have got >$3 million, easy
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Based on what? Losing his job as a starter not once, but twice in his career?
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by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Jul 1, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know why this keeps coming up. Rinne is a VERY good goaltender.
In any case, how many times has Leighton lost his place in a team altogether? At least Ellis managed to stay on the roster
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And what exactly makes Pekka Rinne “VERY good”? Is it his .911 save percentage and 2.53 goals against average from last season? Numbers that are more Marty Biron (circa 2007 and 2008) than Marty Brodeur.
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by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Jul 1, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you think Biron was “very good” during his two full seasons on the Flyers?
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by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Jul 1, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh. Once again, Trotz system player.
I’ll agree that he’s better than Ellis (or Leighton).
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One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
but that’s exactly what you don’t want to do.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
paint by numbers?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He never finishes because his paints dry up. Always forgets the cap.
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by TopShelfTony on Jul 1, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
well played sir.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m intrigued, to say the least.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
me too but let’s not get our hopes up yet.
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
TheFourthPeriod:
Follow up… let’s not get crazy yet, folks. Just told it’s not a signing, possible big trade.
that’s in regards to the kings. maybe flyers traded with kings???
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 5:12 PM EDT reply actions
Oh now I'm intrigued.
Who does the tweets?
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Hearing that Johan Hedberg to New Jersey is close if not done.
Excellent choice for New Jersey. A backup they can really trust to take some of Brodeur’s starts.
Sadly, he’s arguably one of the most successful goalie the Flyers have drafted in the past 20 years
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Career or as a Flyer only?
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He never played for us, I meant career. We just drafted him
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I wondered what you were saying. Shoulda known.
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I was knocking our ability to draft goalies, our track record isn’t all that good in that department
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely. Perfect backup for Marty. But not successor. Who does Lou have in mind for that?
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Supposedly Lamoriello gave Hedburg an NTC, too
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Can’t be quite that I dont think, he was only drafted in 94, one year before Boosh
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
But it’s a 1 yr deal, right? Career-finisher?
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1 year, but I don’t know about career finisher, because they gave him bonuses. You can only do bonuses in a 1 year deal, so wanting to structure it that way may be why he didn’t get a multi year SPC
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Great info, thanks.
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Sorry, I’m the schmuck who has the CBA and the Rulebook nearly memorized
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, you understand this better than the beat writers.
(Not sure if you saw this, but I downloaded the CBA, was surprised at its clarity, then started ranting against the sportswriter frauds).
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
I know what you mean. Well it’s not all clear, most of it is, but some parts you have to find the connections between 4 separate sections before it makes sense (like RFA holdouts)
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
True. But seriously more clear than your recent credit card statement.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Talking maybe the big Kings news being a trade for Kaberle???
Looking at the FA available, there are still some big name, older guys out there I wouldn’t have minded having. Willie Mitchell, Kim Johnsson (WELCOME BACK), Joe Corvo, Brendan Morrison?
We need a winger. Oh no, I forgot we signed Jody Shelley!!!!
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I still can’t fathom why the Kings think they need a defenseman. they are stacked in that department.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Where are the Caps today?
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GM GM thinks he’s got what he needs. Ha-ha! I met a Caps fan yesterday who was bragging about the records this year, and I reminded him that it’s all for naught since they didn’t get past the 1st round of the playoffs…
In Latvia, they're rooting for Bartulis' team, the Filadelfijas Flaieri!
Yes, I’m mystified why they aren’t making moves too. If they really think they don’t need to make any, I’m a happy person. :)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
They have a pretty decent roster. I think they are looking for a #2 center. Other than that they have no real holes, maybe defense and have cap space
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Definitely on defense – I’d would have been in the D-man lottery for sure today if I were the Caps GM.
Fortunately, I’m not, and fortunately, they didn’t make any moves.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Would have thought for sure they’d have been in on Volchenkov given how much they loves them the Russians who “rock the red.”
by SteelBirdFlyer on Jul 1, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
So, no defense for even more offense?
Umm…I guess that could work.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
What
you never herd of a stubborn GM refusing to acknowledge one single glaring missing piece and instead repeats the same mistake over and over every year?
bread. butter. cheese. VICTORY!
Hmmm…that does sound familiar.
Can you give me another hint? ;)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Guerin
I wish we had waited for him instead of Shelley.
You all are talking about goaltending. But we’ve been trash talking each other about “what to do about the lines” for weeks. Check out the current capgeek….those lines are really messed up now. Guerin instead of Shelley would have been perfect (some cap space issues, but you get the idea).
There had better be more moves.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
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Here’s the latest… one source says Kings are looking for D man via trade… Kings spokesperson said “no announcement imminent”
Kaberle’s name has been all over twitter today, just not attached to anything. It’s quite possible
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Before today I had a secret fear Homer would try to get him. (ugh) Didn’t even post that as I did not want to “tempt fate”.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Coburn and Boosh for Bernier and a pick (plus cap room)?
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
“I am going to Wolfgang Puck’s in LA for dinner!”
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
“I have a really cool secret, but I can’t tell anyone!”
That’s just childish
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Agreed, although not quite as annoying as Eklund saying the same thing 50 times today….
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha. That guy is my secret hero. Why I don’t follow Twitter
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Following on Twitter is fine as long as you’re selective. Don’t inhale.
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But people, even good people, retweet him. And he’s good for a laugh
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Everything you need to know
I tried sharing this earlier, but as son as I did we moved threads
http://hockeybuzzhogwash.com/
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so in other words, Brandon Worley has no f’ing clue…
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 1, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
y did we sign Shelley again?
we have plenty of agitators and actually need a skilled wing or a goalie.
ugh.
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 5:39 PM EDT reply actions
wyshynski:
Any chance Cam Fowler will call Nabokov and Turco to tell’em ‘chin up, stuff happens’?
That is great. You know Yahoo ranked almost every FA goalie including Biron & Nitty over Leighton?? Wow….is all I have to say.
those guys look really dumb right now. Turco was hoping to go to SJ for big bucks and Nabby probably want TB or ATL to splurge on him. now both look dumb and out jobs with few to no options in the nhl
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
well that’s the only way it will happen now
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Turco swallows his pride, takes a REAL LOW OFFER, like 1 mil, for 1 yr, comes here, wins a cup, and goes out to get big bucks next yr. It won’t, but……
not a bad scenario but need to dump some one for that to happen and we are already at the cap
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
If he was 35 and it could be an incentive based deal, it might’ve been possible, but darn it he’s only 34.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Barnaby is saying Turco should have taken the deal from the Flyers and that Philadelphia would have been a perfect fit in Philadelphia.
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he probably should have. He’ll be lucky to get a backup job now
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Listening to this whole panel of TSN people talk about how Leights “will never be as good as last year” is making today seem worse in some ways… It’s on the NHL network, and this whole bit they’re doing on the Flyers is not confidence inspiring. I know they’re over-exaggerating things though
Yahoo thinks Biron & Nitty are better then Leighton. I don’t think Biron is, I think Nitty is though. I don’t know. All these goalies sign today for less then Leighton. I am not sure what to think.
If his hips are really better, I would have taken him back in a heartbeat, although I’m not 100% sure about the 2M
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Im not listening to it, but honestly I doubt they are exaggerating the monumental screw up we created by not taking advantage of todays Goalie Market
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Even if Leighton proves out ok, we overpaid based on the market today.
Which ToddtheFox clearly played out in his fanpost, in advance.
Hey, we know the Flyers brass know about this blog, Travis did that interview. They should have read our analysis! (Maybe not entirely kidding).
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One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
I’m going to have to delete all my confidence in Homer comments
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Save time. Just do a FanPost saying you were mislead.
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seriously now that all other teams have starters what would Nabby’s price be right now? $4 million or maybe 3.5
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point he’d be smart to wait, even it’s until October. Somebody’s bound to have hip trouble or do a knee. Patience.
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even then he isn’t getting the $ or job he wanted. Nabby is KHL bound, all b/c he turned down the Flyers and priced himself out of the market
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
So your the one instructing Marty Turco this whole time? telling him to be patient. You are a good man for helping such a clueless person.
I just read a fan post somewhere….. someone said Jody Shelley is the next Mike Knuble. I think I pissed myself from laughing. Oh man…….gotta stop reading this stuff.
Well, they’re both human beings who play hockey and were once Rangers.
Yes, they are exactly alike!
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
A bunch of reports are saying that Kovalchuk to the Kings seems to be a matter of time…
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Also that the Kings are the only ones interested. Lombardi’s no fool. That situation would be a buyer’s market. Kovy could go way below what he’s been asking on a short term. Maybe we’ll see if it’s true that he really wants to play in the NHL over the KHL.
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NJ’s being reported to still be in the hunt, too, so I’m not 100% sure the Kings are the only one there
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone brought up earlier that O’Donnell was in Anaheim with Prongs, apparently they were closer that I expected. Panotch’s article has been updated with player reaction…
Pronger was pivotal in O’Donnell coming here.
"We’ve been friends for a long time, and he can be very persuasive," O’Donnell said. "He thought it would be a good fit. I’m at a point in my career where the dollars are what they are.
"It was just a matter of finding a spot where I could fit in on that bottom pair and really make a contribution. Prongs did put some calls out and we spoke a couple times. Him and I are friends, but it came down to where I felt the best fit was and where I thought I would help a team win a Stanley Cup, and Philly was on a very, very short list."
Homer seems to have a pattern of finding some good-for-the-money folks (Betts, LaPerriere, now O’Donnell), Maybe we’ll be surprised at Shelly. Or maybe we should get Homer a calculator for Christmas.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Right. I’m not 100% convinced Shelley’s a mistake. Overpaid I don’t doubt, but useless I’m not sure. From the little bit I’ve actually heard about his game between Jonesy on TSN and some comments on Blueshirt Banter, he may turn out to be pretty effective on that fourth line. Carcillo without the production, but also without the attitude, perhaps? Also might be a bit cheaper than what Carcillo wants.
sigh
tpanotch:
Judging from forums, not a happy Flyer fan base rigth now
no shit really
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
We are mixed right now. Me, I love the D moves. Wish they didn’t spend 3 mil on Shelley, and maybe took advantage of this goalie market right now. Real bargains were to be had. And still some quality wingers still out there they could have had. And no one seems to have a consistent opinion on Meszaros. I read one place that loves him for being big & physical, other places say he is awful and he cannot skate. Who is to believe?
If we move a player for salary and dont get completely hosed.
Then use the space to get a Goalie, then I will be quite happy with all the moves!
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agreed but we’d say goodbye to someone we don’t want to give up (gags)
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Then I re emphasize the (I hope we dont get hosed)
I dont want to se him go….
Yet gags on this team without a goalie is doomed to miss the ultimate goal!
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agreed. Can we still free space for a clearance sale on Nabby?
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends on who is traded.
If Briere waives his NTC and we find a team, say the Islanders, yes we can get a winger, a prospect and a ton of free space for a goalie
Gags, not as much Hartnell, even less, but yes we could grab Nabby and have some breathing room
They all have NTCs
Carted dose not.
The endless debate will start again!
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This.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Eeeek. I hate when they say things like that
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
All that means to me is they’re trying to find places Cote, Bartulis, and Carcillo, whether that’s within the organization or somewhere else. Nothing major at this point.
But they could just waive them in training camp with no thought whatsoever if that was the case. I took it to mean removing a big number
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
And we really are just tweaking at the edges to get rid of him, given that he is so close to the minimum.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Agreed. Completely ridiculous to sign Shelly, then say “wow, maybe we need more cap room”.
And who would you move now?
And the lines really, really stink. Frankly, this concerns me more than Leighton.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Good point. Right now, this is such a waste of Giroux’s talent!
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I wanted tanguay and he was had for 1.7 million which was doable if we didn’t pull a Shelley (sign an uneccessary player)
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
that was a dumb move. why did we sign shelley? we don’t need that type of player if we resign our rfas who are better.
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Bud you think losing Asham, Powe and Carcillo makes the lines on this team really stink those 31 goals for that trio really make a difference.
No. I am referring to the fact that we have at least 5 centers. We needed to find complements for Giroux. That is not Shelley. I doubt it is Powe. I am perfectly fine with a line of Betts Lappy and Powe (or Shelly), plus the Briere/Leino/Hartnell line. But we need to fix the Giroux line, and either tell Carter “you are a wing, except maybe on faceoffs” or trade him, or some other trade resolution. Trading Gagne (shudder) does not fix this.
RIght now we are facing a possibility of Carter/Gagne/Richards (which, while there was injury, did not exactly click in the playoffs) and Giroux/JVR/Powe or Shelly.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
If they do move salary they’ll have room to sign/deal.
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unless they are moving someone significant (Gags, carter) then it’s just tinkering and won’t help goalie, wing situation
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
TSNBobMcKenzie DAL agrees to terms with Adam Burish, two year deal, $1.15M AAV.
How many times do we play them?
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If he makes the team.
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Bob Murray has offered Bobby Ryan 5yr/$25 deal.
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Strangely, Carter for Ryan plus something more necessary than ever
Given the chaos in our lines right now, we need this. Then we still need some other winger for Giroux (thanks again for Shelley).
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Of course, if this were to occur, we
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
browser failure
sorry: “if this were to occur, we would be toasting Homer now”
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Can Homer go hose some GM just like he did with Leino and effing redeem this clusterfuck?!
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
well he did hose shero out of a 2nd round pick, likely with the knowledge that Hamhuis wasn’t going to sign in Pitt
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Not good enough becuase he has fucked everything up by signing Shelley and Leighton!
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
yep and he could have signed a better goalie for their cost combined
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Well done Homer. Can’t say I am too happy about Mezaros either to be honest.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He said he wanted basically the same as Perry and Getzlaf, whose cap hits are 5.35.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
TSNBobMcKenzie:
Just for record, Bobby Ryan did NOT, repeat NOT, agrees to terms on a 5-year deal worth $5M/year with ANA. Someone, NOT me, reported it.
Told you so. That guy is crazy. That is a good contract. I don’t get him.
Maybe he’s hoping the Flyers trade for him. Don’t forget, Ryan is a Cherry Hill kid who moved out of the area just before he was to enter high school. Perhaps he’s waiting to find out if he can come home.
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by Scott Kessler on Jul 1, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
watches replays of finals games and weeps.
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately I agree. But Homer can’t possibly be done now.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
I guess he’s done signing, but so far all this day has done is scare me of what’s coming even more
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed. either direct trade or trade for space and sign a goalie.
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Vokoun is now overpaid
Sorry, I watched Vokoun, Mason, Ellis, Rinne ad nauseum in Nashville.
Is Vokoun the best of those? Probably.
Given the market, is he now worth that amount of cap space at his age? No. Carter for Vokoun= we get worst of bargain.
I would rather try to horseshoe in Turco (at 1 million?) at this point than trade for Vokoun (and I am NOT a Turco fan).
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
and it’s not like anyone else beat us, we beat ourselves with dumb contracts (shelley and leights)
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
On a positive note
The Goalies are cheep and will become cheaper.
Everyone is set except us so deals are out there
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Its just a shame that we fucked it up by blowing our load and signing Leighton! Makes securing that deal a lot harder.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
yep at this point we’d need to dump a top 6 forward to have the space for a goalie
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Boucher cheaper? I want who ever is making less. Fuck, make Backlund the backup if you have to. Just get us a damn goalie thats worth half a damn and someone to play with Giroux!
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
i’m holding out hope that Backlund becomes a phenom and wins starting job
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats not gonna happen either.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sorry. At least you don’t actually believe it.
Just go watch Game 6 of the SCF for your answer…
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Are we in a parallel universe?
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Ah, thank goodne$$
So, when do we go back to the original one where Leighton and Shelley are not signed?
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Ek says we're not done...
Says that a big trade is coming with a Flyer forward. I’m so sick of this day. I just wish it were over and that we didn’t pay so much for Leights.
In Latvia, they're rooting for Bartulis' team, the Filadelfijas Flaieri!
If he is remotely right I hope it lands us a goalie and a slightly less skilled forward in return.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
And who exactly would we trade for? The goalie market is messed up now. Every goalie is now worth less than his contract.
This is exactly like the 2009 housing market.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
We dont have to trade for a goalie, we could trade for draft pics and use the free cap space to sign Nabby or someone else
bread. butter. cheese. VICTORY!
I’m OK with this. But it feels so bass-ackward.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
especially when we could have signed Nabby at reasonable price and kept whoever is traded while getting another odonnel type instead of mez, leights, shelley
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang!
Heads are exploding all over the place. Someone must be quoting Ek again.
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“It’s always amazing on July 1, people always overpay. We have to be patient and prudent. We’ve been active on the phone, trying to make deals that make sense.’’
- Dale Tallon
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The ones with the Cup they won with his guys pretty much or the ones who are dumping $ like crazy?
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More the organization, as they clean up his mess.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
TSNBobMcKenzie Andrew Raycroft to DAL, as per The Stars. Two year deal.
Ah…no.
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Hmmm.. Let go Turco. Sign Raycroft. How is this better? (or worse, for that matter?)
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Real_ESPNLeBrun:
Spoke with Don Meehan, Nabokov likely to take a few days after look at options. KHL in Russia a real option but won’t close door on NHL
Option 1. get a time machine reverse time to draft weekend, sign with flyers
option 2. russia
option 3. backup time
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 6:43 PM EDT reply actions
Option 4. Meehan desperate, spinning as fast as he can.
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option 5. fire agent, put a hit out on niitty’s hips and beg SJ for forgiveness
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice.
The SJ bridge is well and truly burned, though. By the Sharks.
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indeed. I definitely think that biggest losers this year were Nabby and Turco for turning the flyers down and then testing the market. Market wanted nothing to do with them
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
So is it me or are the losers of today both the Flyers and the big name goalies they chased (nabby, turco)
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 6:44 PM EDT reply actions
Yup. You could make a case that Turco and Nabby did worse.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
true flyers atleast can hope that their excellent defense can make leights look ok like they did last year
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Time for part three of this thread?
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 6:47 PM EDT reply actions
been thinking that for awhile now. too many posts hard to find new ones up farther in the thread
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
This thing is a mess!
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Let’s not overreact. There’s no point. I don’t know why Shelley was signed to such a contract, but Rangers fans and New York media alike (as well as San Jose) won’t stop saying how much they liked him, how valuable he was to their team, etc. Trust me, I don’t get it either. But give the man the benefit of the doubt; he appears to be universally well-liked. As for Homer’s other moves, yes, Meszaros looks to be overpaid but there’s clearly something they like in him. You can’t say “why didn’t the Flyers sign Michalek for 5 years, $20 million” or whatever because you don’t know how the Flyers being involved would have affected the bidding of other teams, and ultimately the final signing price. You also don’t know if Michalek or Tallinder or Volchenkov would be willing to accept the type of role the Flyers are offering (we all thought Hamhuis would be fine with what the Flyers were going to offer in terms of ice time — it’s obvious that wasn’t the case). As for O’Donnell, Pronger trusts in his skill and ability enough to actively recruit him, and that’s the best endorsement you can get. For some reliability on the third pairing and a great guy and great locker room presence, $1 million seems a reasonable price. Coburn’s extension at a $3.2 million cap hit is a bit higher than most of us expected — I think we were all assuming something just under three million with three million being the highest. When you look at some of the contracts handed out today to free agent defensemen, does $3.2 million seem to be that much of an overpayment? I don’t know. But let’s not automatically assume Homer is a complete failure or screwed up the team. The Flyers are not done making roster moves for October 7. Give things a few days to settle down before making final conclusions.
by Ben Feldman on Jul 1, 2010 6:49 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Agreed. Well said.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 1, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent post to close out this thread. Agreed.
So far this is C-plus in grade in my view.
“A” would have been Nabby at a $3M cap hit.
“F” would have been trading for Tim Thomas.
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I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
So, patience, then?
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Ben agreed. Me & you have been banging our heads all day about this Jody Shelley thing. The two of us, along with the rest of the delaware valley are missing something here. I guess we will find out in the next couple months what we are missing. And it is only day one. Like you said before, patience. That is all we can do.
SamMcCaig:
So…Kovalchuk, obviously, is still out there…G’s Nabokov & Turco…F’s Lombardi, Frolov, Afinogenov, Ponikarovsky and Svatos…Kubina, Corvo and Mitchell on D…it’s getting thin after Ilya…
I disagree. I like Lombardi, Afinogenovv, Mitchell. Plus the two goalies.
I’d rather have Svatos over Shelley. ughhhh. Lol at the goalies, we haven’t heard about anyone even talking to them today. no one wants to touch them with a 10 ft pole
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
RealKyper Talk of Flyers trying to unload Gagne’s contract to soften cap number. A source confirmed he name was brought up in the Tampa talks.
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Gagne has proved himself time & time again. Why not carter? You could probably get more for him too.
maybe they want carter in long-term plans,
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure Gagne’s name is brought up all the time. So is Carter’s. And Giroux’s. Doesn’t mean those conversations ever go that far.
I really hope that Carter does well at the wing. He could be amazing on the wing, if he worked at it.
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
if he doesn’t pull a Bobby Abreu. He can’t play there for a little then want to go back to C. he has to commit to playing the RW. But he could be a hell of a winger. If he wants to.
I say Lappy sits him down and says “look here kid I take pucks to the face for this team. what are you going to do for us?”
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t mind the O’Donnell move at all. And it is just surprising that Coburn cost so much, but it needed to be done regardless. Shelley is very confusing, what will his role be and why does he cost so much? If Meszaros can get back to his Senators form, then I think that is a fairly good trade too. He had 39,35 and 36 points with the Sens, but regressed a lot going to Tampa. His hit is a bit over the top but he is only 24 so has a chance to improve.
For me, the worst part is not the actual signings, but not signing a legit RW for Giroux and a goalie. And pushing right up to the cap
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One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
what if that cap room lets us sign nabby for like $3million and another winger (afinegenov)?
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
just need a suitor for gags which would be a hard sell as he has a high cap hit.
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
ok who is looking for a wing or center that would take gags or carter
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
im sure a team like atlanta has cap room, or the florida panthers? i dont know how much cap room each team has tho
by letsgoflyers21 on Jul 1, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
do we have any update on what’s happening with powe and carcillo?we know they got offers but did they sign them?
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 7:15 PM EDT reply actions
I think Carcillo’s just been replaced. You don’t sign a guy for $1.1 million per for three years to be Riley Cote. My guess is that means Carcillo was asking for more than $1.1 per year and the Flyers weren’t willing to give him that much. Nothing on Powe, but the beat writers say he’s not asking for anything too much and suggest it’ll be worked out.
Powe on the 3rd line with Giroux and JVR isnt the worst thing.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I strongly disagree. Putting G on a line with JvR is one thing but putting G with Powe is a complete waste of Giroux’s creativity. I don’t even think JvR is worthy of being on a line with Giroux honestly.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
if we move Gagne’s salary for another winger for the top line to play with Richards and Carter, and get a goalie
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 7:29 PM EDT reply actions
SamMcCaig:
You can argue the best UFA center (Lombardi), LW (Kovalchuk), RW (Selanne/Svatos/Stempniak…), and G (Nabokov) coming into the day remain unsigned…
all those guys except Nabby will get jobs
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 7:34 PM EDT reply actions
unless we move Gagne somehow, maybe get nabby and selanne for cheap?
praying here
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 7:37 PM EDT reply actions
I am absolutely positive Selanne will not come here, let alone come east. He will stay in Ana. with his buddy Koivu, or retire. But me, letsgoflyers, and some others were saying a probably cheaper option would be Maxim Afinigenov. OTher names too, but he would be the guy I want. Put him with Giroux, and leave that line alone. They would be set.
Not to mention Afinigenov is only 30 while Selanne is 40+
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
kuklaskorner:
RT @DougMaclean: According to a Flyer source Gagne has played his last game as a Flyer.
relief. I don’t like it though. Still would rather get rid of Carter. Or Hartnell if he would waive his stupid NTC.
got if this happens then get nabby on the phone
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
O.O
Farewell guys… I’m jumping off the bridge
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hold on a few. that clears $5 million in cap space. enough for a goalie hopefully
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t fucking care about goalie. I don’t give a shit about this team as long as Simon’s gone. FML!
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I think Jody Shelley should get his own term on the flyers dictionary.
shelley (v)
1. to sign a useless player for a ridiculous contract
ex. The Rags really shelleyed it when they got Boogard.
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not about the looks. Jesus Christ… only because I’m a girl doesn’t mean I only care about how the players look like.
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My apologies… can’t joke and react rationally now.
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no apology needed. I understand the frustration of today. Especially if we do end up trading a real great player and good person like Simon. He is one of the leaders on this team, and not only that, but one of the best players on this team. He has worked REALLY hard to become the player he is today. He was a scrawny guy who had skill, but then he bulked up after watching Justin Williams get his ass kicked every night for being so small, and now look at him. I really don’t want to lose him, I would rather trade Carter. Lets just hope Gags will be back in Orange & Black next season. I am rootin’ with you twisted sister.
I don’t see why we can’t trade Carter instead. he fetches a higher price, is younger,
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Shame JvR isn’t a center because I would trade his ass in a second…
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
If Homer signed Meszaros, Shelley and O’Donnell, then had to move Gagne because of it. Well I just don’t know what I’d do
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y did we resign him? the market was so great for us.
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
tpanotch:
Holmgren conf. call coming up …
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 7:44 PM EDT reply actions
only way gagne being gone is acceptable is if it means a goalie and a winger
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
so do the flyers trade gags for space and sign nabby?
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
tpanotch:
do u think Flyers were gauging high-end GT market today, see this is none, and will act once they shed salary?
maybe
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 7:51 PM EDT reply actions
How are they going to shed salary without hurting the scoring depth? This is such a poor management of the cap!
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
move Gags, get Afiniginov and Nabby?
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 7:53 PM EDT reply actions
that’s the only redeemable thing to do right now.
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Shelly on th fourth line wing, powe third wing, afiniginov first line wing, nabby and leights
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would Homer move Gagne if we still have a dearth of wingers (that are able to skate)?
I might cry.
if Gagne moves for Nabby and a cheap skilled winger.
i will like this team a lot more. Ill be pissed that Gags had to go because they gave Leigthon too much, but ill take it.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I am out. So much happening. Leaving work, have to clear my head of hockey for an hour. Nice talking with everyone guys & girls.
hopefully homer won’t screwed it up worse before you come back
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
CSNFlyer Homer on shedding salary to adding a goalie “Right now, its not high on our priority list.”
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THEN DONT TRADE GAGNE. IM GOING TO KILL YOU PAUL HOLMGREN
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
so what is on his priority list? hopefully trading carter’s lazy body
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Real_ESPNLeBrun:
@tpanotch I still think Flyers circle back on Turco and/or Nabokov
so the plan is move gags, sign Nabby?
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 7:58 PM EDT reply actions
sacking gagne for a goalie isnt good enough, we would need awinger to replace gags.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
who cares what game? no one wants gags gone. carter? hell yes
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
trading carter would be so much better. would get more back and wouldn’t have to deal with ntc?
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
What ever happened to “Acquiring a Goalie is our #1 priority this off-season”?
by BroadStreetBully on Jul 1, 2010 8:07 PM EDT reply actions
1.55 a year to leighton happened.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
remember “leights could be the guy” crap he said. ugh
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
so that still leaves just us, if we move salary
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I have an email out to Gagne’s agent, asking if he’s been asked to waive his no-trade clause.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
adater:
@tpanotch I can’t believe Turco wouldn’t jump at Philly. Great city for him, perfect team to lead
Turco= dumb at this point. now if Homer comes back around, Homer will have the upper hand and can force the price down more
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 8:10 PM EDT reply actions
if we move a foward for a goalie that cant be it, we would be too deficient in offensive guys. and thats with powe on the thrid line
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Not happening. Cap space is our problem and he wants at least $5.5 mil.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 1, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Gagne moved, sign Nabokov and sign AFiniginov; trade Carter for Ryan
Afiniginov-Richards-Ryan
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
if moving gagne means another wing and a starting goalie not named leighton, id rather gagne be moved.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
won’t trade both gags and carter. it’s one or the other. i think and right now, unless hartnell’s name comes back into trade discussions, it’s going to be carter or gags
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
yeh i know
we’re not getting Ryan i was just saying it to say it.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, yeah, the Flyers don’t sign Jody Shelley to a three year, $3.3 million deal and then become rumored to be shopping Simon Gagne every day.
…and continue to fail at addressing goalie situation
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
only goalie id happily give up gagne for is fucking terry sawchuk or dryden (in other words … no one playing right now). gagnes done too much for this team. biggest accomplishment of last season was coming back 0-3 and beating boston. that was 99.9% gagne. hes the VERY last person i want to see us lose, and id probably consider any trade involving him a bad one.
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by csgillis on Jul 1, 2010 8:21 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
gags for vokoun straight up? would you take it?
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree gags is a fixture in this franchise and has earned the right to stay for life after the playoffs this year
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Im not leading the charge to ship him out
But we may not make the playoffs without a goalie
And we will Definitely not win the cup without one
So at that point I am unhappily willing to see anyone go
Including Gagne
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The issue I see with moving Gagne (other than emotional problem) is that it screws up the lines even more. The Flyers have always said they want three scoring lines. Well, assuming they don’t get a top-line forward back if they were to move Gagne, they would have four top-3 line centers (Richards, Carter, Briere, Gagne), one real right winger (Leino) and two real left wingers (Hartnell, JVR).
hopefully would have space for another winger or get one back in return
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
TheFourthPeriod:
Flyers shopping Gagne…
more rumors
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 8:27 PM EDT reply actions
I was going to get my g/f a gagne jersey
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Gagne injured?
Remember that Simon was pretty banged up. What if we actually aren’t trading him? Or if we know something that we don’t want to announce (and are preemptively trading him).
Note: “Last game as a Flyer” could mean multiple things.
In piling on mode, if we are trading him instead of Carter, just to clear space, that stinks.
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One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
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Yeah, probably. I needed a break at this post. Note I’m replying several hours later.
I was just wondering about whether he really is injured, and I think I got synapses crossed.
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I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
well it all depends on the return and what we do with the space
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Winning a Cup without Gagne wouldn’t feel right (assuming he hadn’t retired). That’s not to say, of course, that I’d rather keep Gagne than win a Cup. Seems like a terrible way for a hell of a player to go.
agreed and there’s no guarantee we win the cup. it’s all so dicey now until it gets settle and we know who is getting traded (gags or carter), where to (hopefully not the east), how much we get back in return (picks, a goalie, winger), how much cap space we have left, and what we do with that cap space (add wingers, Nabby)
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Gagne
you guys need to calm down about him.
In the age of the salary cap there is no such thing as a lifer any more. The stars wont even bring back MOdano at this point.
For a good bit of this and last season Gagne was a ghost.
Carter is younger and scores more than Gagne, and his ceiling is way higher, Carter is still at the beginning of his career, Gags not so much.
I think Gagne should have retried as a Flyer as well, but not in the day and age of the salary cap.
That said if we dont get a goalie and a winger for the space Gagne creates. I wont agree with the move at all.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 8:38 PM EDT reply actions
agreed. if gags is gone we better get a goalie and a wing with the space or trade. If we just dump him to get under the cap then I’ll be pissed
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
oh and we need some guarantee that Carter takes his shift to wing seriously and doesn’t tank it
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Carter might be producing goals, but Gagne brings MUCH more to this team than Carter could ever achieve via his points on the scoresheet.
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look I love Gagne, but this team needs a goalie,and if they get a younger winger as well. then ill accept it.
ill shed a tear for gags, but franchise guys retiring with their teams just doesnt seem to happen anymore.
Leclair didnt retire as a flyer did he? neither did Lindros.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i think the playoffs proved that carter is no longer a fit for this team. we have four centers. we got that far without carter being a real contributer. gags on the other hand was a key player throughout. plus his price tag will go down in a year. carters will probably go up. gagnes the one to keep on the team – for the sake of winning a stanley cup, and for emotional reasons. plus we can get a better trade for carter than we can for gags
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and if Carter is 100 percent healthy and had time to prepare to be a wing
maybe he scores 5 or 6 goals int eh finals, and we have more than one line the blackhawks have to worry about shutting down, and we win the cup.
cant coutn Carter out b/c we made the run without him. maybe we win it all with him if he was healthy.
you dont know. cant just sack the guy b/c of one posteason run. especially with his scoring ability, potential and youth.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Hearts over minds = Gagne over Carter. You could be regetting it in 3 years when Gagne is retired and Carter is kiling it.
look i have a heart and i love Gagne, but when you’re running shit, you cant let emotions get int he way. ultimately the brain has to prevail over the heart.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed. It’s sad but true. I just hope that if it happens that 3 things also happen:
1. Carter adapts to wing well and returns to 09 form
2. We get a goalie either through the trade or with freed cap space
3. We get a decent scoring wing to replace gagne
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to reiterate Im not happy about this
I doubt we can afford to re sign either next year.
If Gagne goes this summer, I will still expect Carter to go at the Trade Deadline.
If Gagne goes now at least his Family will have time to move and adapt with time and comfort.
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or Leino
well unless we move Carter or Gagne, but maybe even then not. But even so, we have a lot of money locked up through next offseason.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
if only michael leighton wasn’t you know…michael leighton letting up softies
by historywillbemade on Jul 1, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
If the Flyers trade Gagne I quite honestly do not know how I will react.
Aside from the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I already had a nervous breakdown. And nothing has even been made official yet.
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I’m afraid this will be a bitter pill to swallow.
Simon Gagne is my second-favorite Flyer all-time. He is behind only Dave Poulin on my list.
I remember how I felt when the Flyers traded Dave Poulin for Ken Linseman. I went into my room and cried my eyes out. I was 13 years old then. I’m 34 now and will likely have a similar reaction. I’m not afraid to admit that.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Last time I cried as hard as I did about an hour ago was June 9 2010. And I’m turning 24 in few months. Talk about emotions.
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by Prometheus74 on Jul 1, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if they get nabokov and a winger out of it ill like it
if not. ill be pissed.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It scares me to think about it.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel the same way. Heart and soul and the final winning goal against Boston in Game 7, playing on a broken foot.
DAMNIT
I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SLEEP TONITE
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly? No it doesn’t. Not to me. Not when Carter is a perfectly viable option.
by StarbladeMKIII on Jul 1, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
and ill say it again.
if Carter is killing it in 3 years when Gagne is retired.
you’ll regret it. and if Carter is tearing it up and we traded him, and Gagne is retured, and you dont regret it, then your emotions are too much in play.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Emotion is a big part of being a fan, though.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll say this. If the Flyers do get rid of Gagne, and they can somehow get Bobby Ryan and a goalie in return, I’ll accept it. That’s about the only way I’ll accept it, though.
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And “accepting it” doesn’t equal “happy.”
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
asking too much. but if its a goalie and Afiniginov, ill accept it.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
If losing Gagne somehow got us a goalie and Ryan, I would just up and down with excitement.
ill be sad for Gags, but cmon now. Ryan and a goalie? I would love it.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. If they get someone decent out of the deal I’ll live with it.
But… Gags. My God.
We Philly fans certainly know a thing or two about being hard on our star players. And as far as I know, I haven’t lived in a cave since 1999. That said, I cannot ever remember Gagne getting ANY vitriol directed his way, as was directed at people like McNabb, the pre-2007 Phillies, etc. I just didn’t see or hear it.
Please don’t say “Au revoir,” Simon.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Somehow I don’t think we’ll be seeing that goalie we all want. The following blockquote is a series of 3 tweets from Panotch.
Holmgen on his goalies: "We’re comfortable. Does that mean we won’t look around, keep our ear to the ground and see if there’s something there than makes us better? We’re certainly continue to do that. If the season started tomorrow, I’d certainly feel comfortable with our goaltending setup right now."That scares me.
Chris Pronger stole my last signature.
Call me irrational, but I’m fine with our goalies if it means keeping Gags
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That, and alse if we do lose Gags and don’t get something really good back, I’ll lose it completely.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Call me irrational, but I would be happy to trade Gagne IF we can get a good deal and land Ryan/Afinoganov and a goalie better than Leighton.
I’ll miss him and will be sad to see him go, but looking to the future, that would be the best move if Homer is dead set on keeping Carter.
Chris Pronger stole my last signature.
Does the Flyers GM of today seem like a guy who could wangle a good deal?
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He did improve the defense (even if the prices were a tad on the high side……)
But offensively speaking, yeah, you have a point. If it is the guy who traded OKT for Ville Leino, then I am fine, if it is the guy who thought signing Jody Shelley was a good idea, I am petrified that we are going to trade Gagne and somehow end up with Colton Orr and Vesa Toskala.
Chris Pronger stole my last signature.
You think he improved the defense. That has yet to be seen. I am far from sold on Mezaros
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 2, 2010 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s just GM speak. He HAS to say something like that, especially considering the general unhappiness from the fans today, along with the inevitable press questions like “Hows come youz dint get a good goaler?!?!?”
I think it means that they’re still looking, but if what they have now is a worst-case scenario, they can live with it.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
As much as irrational I may sound I wouln’t be able to accept Gagne’s trade. Ever. Even if we got Ovechkin, Crosby, Kovalchuk, Vokoun, Luongo, Brodeur, Stamkos, Ryan … Well I guess you get that hint. I will never be the same person as I was if Gagne gets traded. Yes, silly… but 100% true.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 2, 2010 6:27 AM EDT up reply actions
If Gagne goes..
just for salary cap. i will lead the mob to wherever Holmgren lives.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 9:26 PM EDT reply actions
MIchael Leighton, 1.55 mil
bangs head against table repeatedly
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 9:29 PM EDT reply actions
If anybody cares, Chuck Gormley’s got interviews with all the guys we grabbed today on his blog over at the Courier Post. That includes Coburn’s comments on his new contract. And in the top post, he looks at the depth chart and says flat out he thinks Carter is the one that doesn’t fit. /Sigh
Almost everyone sees this but the rumors are about Gags. Why can’t Simon be “untouchable” like Carter seems to be?? This really irks me. A lot.
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There was a lot of talk about Gagne moving last summer too, and I remember it seeming ominous then… But this summer my anxiety will be through the roof.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
because Carter is younger and scores more and he still is not playing to his potential so he could and should get better as a player. Gagne is on the back end of his career.
They also might get more for Carter at the trade deadline.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
but if moving Gagne doesnt result in a goalie and a winger, its not worth it.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
As far as I’m concerned Dan Boyle had a NTC back in Tampa too… non?
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But a lot of NTC have weird terms, so I don’t know if Simon’s has any conditions (like he supplies the team with a list of 5 places he will go, or something similar) or if it’s a full NTC.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Capgeek just lists it as a NTC. They are generally pretty good at the details.
For example, Dan Boyle: NTC (full NTC until June 30, 2012; beyond that, can pick eight teams he will not accept a trade to)
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I saw that Gagne’s contract was listed with a NTC and figured it was just a generic thing that Capgeek just slapped onto it for anyone with any type of NTC. Maybe it is a full NTC after all.
I used to think it was that way, but I saw an article 2 weeks or so ago (that I’m having trouble finding) about the top 10 weirdest NTC/NMC clauses, and that made me not be quite so sure
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, Capgeek does have the conditions listed for the weird ones on that list I saw, but they might not have that kind of info on older contracts. So we just hope, I guess.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 1, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Carter’s an excellent player and you hate to have to trade a player like that … but this is a situation where you have to look into trading a player like that! Unless you’re trading Mike Richards or Claude Giroux (or can find a way to trade Danny Briere), there’s simply no reasonable place for him on this lineup, plus you’re in need of cap space. So naturally you start shopping around a left winger? It just doesn’t make any sense.
Two points
1) Can we have a new discussion thread?
2) A LOT of people here are FAILING to understand the ABSOLUTE MADNESS it will be to trade SIMON GAGNE to clear CAP SPACE and then SIGN FREE AGENTS.
BECAUSE WE HAD CAP SPACE YESTERDAY BUT THEN WE TRADED FOR A 4 MILLION DOLLAR 5TH DEFENDER. IF YOU WANTED NABOKOV AND AFINOGENOV, USE THE JODY SHELLEY AND 5TH DEFENDER MONEY, NOT THE 1ST LINE WINGER MONEY. IF GAGNE IS TRADED IT WOULD BE THE WORST JULY 1 SERIES OF MOVES IN HISTORY.
People are saying, I would be happy if we got Nabokov and Afinogenov for Gagne. How the hell does that make sense? Nabokov and Afinogenov are free agents! We could’ve signed them anyway if we had simply not acquired Mez. If Holmgren goes out and signs us to the brink of the cap and then trades our top winger, and a guy who’s put his heart and soul into the Flyers for 11 years, in a “i need cap space for the goalie”….
….
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 1, 2010 9:56 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
1) Make one!
2) You’re mad
Throws something back, harder
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calling me out it wrongly
“I would be happy if we got Nabokov and Afinogenov for Gagne”
given the current siutation i would be.
if i had to do it all over again. i agree the money voerall should have been spent better.
dont yell at me. im just trying to say what would amke the best of the existing situation.
back off dude.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
i wouldnt have given the 1.55 to start with.
this is the situation.
we need a goalie.
if we lose gagne to get a gaolie, then we’re going to need to replace gagne with another winger as well.
maybe you’d rather move carter. maybe you’d rather just stick with leighton. but right now this is the situation.
how we got here, is another debate.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry
Didn’t mean to target you in particular. Just scrolling through the comments I saw people wanting players who are free agents and had a massive WTF moment.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 1, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
A big failing of the Flyers last year as a whole, especially in the playoffs, was the Flyers 3rd defensive pairing. They may have overpaid them, but at least they have the players they need to prevent the necessity of playing their top guys 30 minutes a game. The Flyers defense has improved immensely today.
Jody Shelley is still a mystery.
Gagne is on the downside of his career. Bobby Ryan is 23 and has all the potential in the world. I love Gagne, but I can’t be angry about a potential trade until a). it does come to fruition and b). I see what the overall return is, both in terms of trades and free agent signings from a cleared cap space. Sources close to the Flyers have said in the past few months that the Flyers were going to get a young goaltender. My point is just because one rumor is going around and one source has been quoted does not mean it is going to happen. Getting angry about a rumored possibility is fruitless. Wait until something actually happens. Then you can throw shit at walls all you want if Homer screws up.
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this
homer has spent too much i think on defense but then again it seems d-men we’re going expensive.
shelley is a mysterious to us, but the rangers fanbase is furious and the experts are saying them losing him was a mistake so maybe we need to wait and see.
the only real mistake homer has made thus far is giving a contract to leighton.
as far as gagne, wait and see what happens. and then maybe we can crucify homer if need be.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree
Agree
Disagree. Gagne has no downside. It makes no sense to trade a guy who is coming off a contract (and should resign for less) in a position we need, when we have a guy coming off a contract (and will get a raise) in a position we don’t need.
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fair enough.
the only thing i can assume is they just value Carter as a player regardless of where he fits much more than Gagne.
and they believe Carter can play wing.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
On your point about the 3rd defensive pairing, you make a good point, but Homer needn’t have taken up a guy who in his old team is considered horribly overpaid.
If they traded Gags for a kid like Bobby I could handle it, because there’s a chance Bobby could become the heart and soul of this team (although I’d still rather trade Carter and get something more in return along with Bobby). If they traded Gags to move salary and sign a goalie I couldn’t. That would be just atrocious mismanagement. Sorry.
But you’re right, I am overreacting to a rumor. But then I was a bit bemused by reactions to that rumor.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 1, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
oh i agree
its terrible management to trade gags to move salary to sign a goalie when they should have been able to do it without moving Gagne.
but this is the situation. And if Gagne means a better goalie than Leighton and still room to get a winger so we’re not offensively deficient… then thats the bad situation homer has put us in, but I would accept it because we need a better goalie and would need another winger to fill Gagne’s spot. I wouldnt like it, but id accept it.
if the flyers move gagne and dont get BOTH a goalie and a winger replacement i will be very pissed.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
and on Meszo being overpaid. ill wait and see how he does on the flyers. having him signed signed for 4 years at 4 mil might end up being just fine.
this team straightened out Matt Carle. maybe Meszos will hit his potential here. it’s a wait and see on him for me anyways
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 1, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
i feel like the real problem here is that homer was chicken to play with defense market and essentially got a 5th defender that makes 4million/ year. we didn’t need another $3 million + defender.
by historywillbemade on Jul 2, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
New location for Gagne rumor discussion
http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2010/7/1/1548517/according-to-a-flyer-source-gagne#comments
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 1, 2010 10:25 PM EDT reply actions
It's only right to have 12 links
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
goalies
SJS is now starting Nitty
CHI still running Niemi
WSH has Varlamov
MTL has Price
DET has Jimmy Howard
Those are some really good teams with goalies that don’t scare me one bit. I will take our D and Leighton over over any of those teams Defenses and Goalies any day of the week.
we could still have a great d and nabby had homer not signed Shelley, Leights, and overpaid for 4th & 5th defense
by historywillbemade on Jul 2, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
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