Why Carter Should Be Traded Over Gagne.
Now I know most of you will start critisizing me right off the hop, but here me out. Let me say that I in no way feel that Simon Gagne is a better and more valuable player than Carter. Carter is younger, more talented and has a phenomenal wrist shot. Now everyone is probably saying "well if you're saying he's so good then ahy trade him?", well that is what I am going to discuss now.
First off, we are all awhere of the overload of quality centres on the Flyers' roster. We have Danny Briere, Mike Richards and Jeff Carter who are all capable of playing first line centre minutes, and than Claude Giroux (only as of now) who can play second line centre minutes. I compare this situation to that of the Penguins and Bruins. Pittsburgh has three centres who are all capable of playing on the first line in Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin and Jordan Staal. Then you've got the Bruins who have three great centres in David Kreijci, Patrice Bergeron and Marc Savard, and now future start centre Tyler Seguin. Now I'm not going analyze these teams, but do you see the comparisent? Jeff Carter could bring us a good goalie, a good prospect and a high draft pick, much like Staal could for the Pens, and Savard could for the B's.
Secondly, as I mentioned before, Carter has greater trade value than Gagne. The Flyers could get so much more for Carter than they could for Gagne. Lets say one of them is going to the Kings. In Gagne's case, I suspect we get perhaps Wayne Simmonds and a descent prospect. Now in Carter's case, I believe we could get Jonathan Bernier, Simmonds and a good prospect (perhaps Moller) or a high draft pick. We could get a young goalie with tons of potential, energy winger and a good prospect to help out the Phantoms, who desperately need help.
Lastly, I don't know why everyone keeps saying "Gagne is one hit in the head away from retirement". Guys honestly, he had one season on concussions and it was almost three years ago, and I'm pretty sure he has taken some pretty good hits since then (remember Anton Volchenkov's hit one him?). That's like saying Briere is one groin strain away from permanently damaging himself, or Carter is a broken foot away from never being to walk again (which is just as possible as Gagne retiring due to another concussion). Gagne had injuries this year, but they weren't concussion related, plus he battled through them excellantly. Does anyone remember when he came back against Boston in Game 4 two weeks early? How he came into the Wachovia Center on crutches and won the game for us in overtime, and ended up leading us to the comeback against Boston with 4 goals in 4 games and 2 game winners. When Carter came back early he was garbage. I still give Carter lots of credit, but Gagne played much better.
This is what I'm saying: too many centres, more trade value and just as possible of getting injured. Theses things could all lead to Carter getting traded. I love Carter and think he is a phenomenal player, but in my opinion he is the one to go. Another reason maybe for future cap issues, when he and Gagne are up for new contracts, who do you think is going to deman more, obviously Carter. So trade Carter and get something for him while he still has tremendous trade value and not an overly large size contract.
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you're really underestimating the injury factor
concussions aren’t like a broken leg, man. it doesn’t matter how much time has elapsed since it. Once you get one you are a ton more likely to get a second, and so on and so forth, and each succeeding concussion is likely to be worse.
If you break your leg and you get 3 years to heal you’re probably fine. Breaking your brain doesn’t get repaired so easy.
So, Gagne is one more hit from his career being over, since another concussion probably means his career is over. Every player has some chance of being done after the next hit, yes, but Gagne is much more likely than the vast majority of other players (Carter included). Frankly, he’s lucky to still be playing. Westbrook was basically done after 1 concussion, and he’s not the first. It’s so different from saying Briere is one groin strain away that it’s not even funny. Groin strains may make your skating worse. Brain strains make your entire existence worse, and since your brain is a million times more important than your muscle, injuries to it are similarly increased in magnitude.
This is something very few people understand, and it’s a massive problem in that the lack of understanding has cost people lives and meant the careers of many more. Groin strains just don’t do that.
I came to this same conclusion yesterday. The problem is Im not sure the Kings have a need for Carter. They need a winger just like us.
by philiafan14364 on Jul 11, 2010 1:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
As I posted in the other thread, go play around with CapGeek’s calculator. Look at scenario’s for 2011-12. Carter, Giroux, Leino, and Zherdev will be due for raises. Gagne is due for a cut.
Currently, the Flyers have ~$15 mil in cap space with 14 players signed. Yes, the cap may go up, but you will have severe cap problems again next year if you trade Gagne instead of Carter. Sign Carter ($6 mil), Giroux ($3.5), Leino ($2), and Zherdev ($3) while replacing O’Donnell with Bourdon and Boucher with Backlund, the Flyers have 20 players under contract and are $1.088 over the cap.
If you trade Carter and sign Gagne (likely for $3.25), you just saved $2.75mil against the cap and now have ~$1.7 to fill out the bottom two roster spots.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 11, 2010 5:00 PM EDT reply actions
Thank You
That’s why I’ve been saying. If Gagne is traded and Carter is kept, the Flyers will create future cap problems. What it basically comes down to it is does Holmgren want Carter and Giroux, or Gagne, Leino, Giroux and Zherdev. To me, the seond choice is better.
Trade both
Thats what Im expecting homer will do.
If that is the case, I fully believe the Flyers will get more in return if Gagne is traded 1st
bread. butter. cheese. VICTORY!
Yeah Carter Sucks
that shot into Niemi’s glove- hilarious!
Less funny is welshing on a cheesesteak bet.
June 30, 2010. We will rue this day.
by cliffkoroll on Jul 12, 2010 7:55 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Great points
I think Carter should be traded as well
SCH is waiting……..
by mc29012 on Jul 12, 2010 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Trade the younger more productive and less injury prone player who this year makes less money of the cap and will be RFA next year compared to UFA in Gagne. That makes sense.
You have to look at things without blinders this a business. I love Gagne but Carter is more important to this team.
Yeah then what happens next year when they do ask for both contracts? Gagne will ask around 3.5-4 million per season, and Carter will ask around 6 million a season. Obviousley Carter is better, but when it comes down to it you need as much cap space as you can get, especially when Giroux, Leino and Zherdev will be asking for new contracts.
You have to look at things without blinders this a business.
A business… Carter will cost more next year. Gagne will cost less. You need to cut costs. Carter will bring more in return. If this truly were run like a business, Carter would be traded before Gagne.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 12, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Carter will cost more than Gagne but he brings more to the table than Gagne especially down the road beyond just next year but 5 years from now. When Carter will be Gagne’s age and Gagne would be playing golf.
And that means we should hold onto Carter why?
So we should lock up Carter long term, that way we have Richards, Briere, Carter, and Giroux for the next 5 years? That makes sense how?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 12, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Because they are all good players that is Core going forward Giroux will play wing or Carter. You have to get this notion out of your head that Giroux is so great at center there is no way we can move him and you have get the idea Carter can’t play wing because both are not true. Just give it some time to work it out where the games are not most wins and Carter doesn’t have broken feet.
Then you still have 4 players (Richards, Briere, Carter, Giroux) locked up at massively expensive contracts, plus Hartnell and JVR.
Sure, let’s just lock up all these good players. Except there’s a salary cap and you can’t just ignore that fact.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 14, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s no trophy for whoever has the most cap space!!!!!
Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger;
Our team is so much stronger
We've got Briere, Betts and Pronger...
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 17, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
“You have to look at things without blinders”
Because if you looked without blinders you would see cap hell next offseason.
Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger;
Our team is so much stronger
We've got Briere, Betts and Pronger...
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 13, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Please see my post reponse under "Starting to Get Worried"
I’m not gonna nuke the server by reposting, but maybe it would make more sense here so just check it out.

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