Monday Morning Fly By: Defending ESPN On Hockey Coverage... Or Something
by Travis Hughes on Jul 12, 2010 11:22 AM EDT
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Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...
- The Flyers made two-signings late last week. The big one, of course, was the signing of Nikolai Zherdev to a one-year deal. [BSH] [CSN] [Puck Daddy]
- And they also signed Greg Moore, a minor league winger with a small bit of NHL experience, to a one-year deal. [CSN]
- What to expect from Zherdev. [Hockey or Die]
- Fear The Fin gathered some reaction to Evgeni Nabokov's return to Russia. [FTF]
- Kovalchuk might actually put pen to paper today. Or he might not. [ProHockeyTalk]
- ESPN's "independent" ombudsman, Don Ohlmeyer, tries to defend ESPN's coverage of hockey by arguing that since hockey is in the Top 10 plays every once in a while, it's fair coverage. [ESPN]
- Puck Daddy points out the absurdity there. [Puck Daddy]
- Lastly, be sure to vote in the confidence poll on the left sidebar.
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ESPN doesn’t cover hockey you can’t defend what doesn’t exist.
Also every time I turn on ESPN I am infuriated afterwards. LeBron, Red Sox, Yankees, LeBron, Favre, Yankees, WNBA highlights, LeBron, Favre. That pretty much sums of the vertical coming up next crawl.
SportsCenter actually showed highlights of summer league basketball. And multiple Top 10 plays of the day came from summer league. Screw ESPN I am dreaming of TSN coming stateside. But my dreams rarely come true.
Cable news used to be good too.....
Once Disney got it’s grubby four fingers on ESPN, and focused on marketing the sports it already has stock in, wonderful sites like this have flourished to fill the void.
Its useful for football but thats about it for me personally. (I’im not a big MLB fan)
Did you know ESPN used to show Rugby? The NFL put a stop to that.
If I want hockey, I have Comcast, NHL network, Vs. and best of all this site, and the rest of the internet.
Personally ESPN is like CDs ; I found better formats to use.
Its outdated and no longer the best tool available.,
The masses are slow to move away and thats fine with me.
bread. butter. cheese. VICTORY!
by Prometheus74 on Jul 12, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
i need
Cheesesteaks
For all you young hockey players out there...
by dumpnchase55 on Jul 12, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. They never show hockey and I wish they did at least give it some time on SportsCenter. But you’re right, their favorite topics are always the same just as you said it. There are plenty of ideas they can try to cover more sports (make SportsCenter longer instead of repeating the same hour all night?).
But if TSN came to the US I would be happy, but for now we can just hijack some Canadian cable.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jul 12, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN owns 20% of TSN. I’m pretty sure they run their websites, also.
ESPN also is the major profit source for Disney, Inc. Much more than theme parks and movies (no joke). So the comments above about ESPN focusing on Disney properties are to be expected from a shareholder-wealth point of view.
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This is a fun comment, however, in reality, the Ducks and the Angels were albatrosses on the Disney balance sheet. Disney bought the teams before they bought Cap Cities/ABC I beleve. Note that Time Warner took years trying to get rid of the Braves (and eventually simply sold them to their former partner Liberty Media).
The only Flyers-related aspect to this is that somehow Comcast has done a better job owning teams than a lot of other media groups. Most of you probably don’t remember that CBS owned the Yankees before Steinbrenner, or even that News Corp (FOX) owned the Dodgers in the 1990s and early 2000s.
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Homer's Epics: An Odyssey for the Salary Cap, The Quest For the Goalie Grail
Interesting, I didn’t know that ESPN was Disney’s major source of profit.
I knew that TSN was somehow owned or controlled by ESPN, but if we had it on channels in the US, hockey fans could get the coverage they want and ESPN would have more time to focus on Favre’s retirement decisions.
I do understand why ESPN always focuses on the popular teams and all that, I just wish they’d report sports for everybody.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jul 12, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Second quarter 2010 profits for Disney by division:
Cable TV: $1,180 million
Movies: $223 million
Theme parks: $150 million
Broadcast TV: $123 million
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Thanks, TD. Of course, there are some other cable assets other than ESPN, but they are by far the largest component.
I actually was going to post “the majority of profits from ESPN” but wasn’t sure that was still true. Apparently, it is. And by a large amount.
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ABC is under the Disney umbrella
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by Prometheus74 on Jul 12, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
See above post. Broadcast TV: $123 million. Way less than cable.
Disney has been rumored for months to be trying to get rid of ABC. That makes sense from a balance sheet perspective, but I can’t quite get my head around that as a sports fan (will all ABC-related sports now just be on ESPN?)
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Homer's Epics: An Odyssey for the Salary Cap, The Quest For the Goalie Grail
Disney’s got a ton of assets that people don’t realize are theirs:
Movies: Touchstone Pictures, Hollywood Pictures, Miramax Films, Dimension Films for everything prior to October 2005, Marvel Studios, Pixar, Buena Vista International
Network: ABC, including 10 owned stations (including WPVI-6)
Cable: Disney Channel, ABC Family, SOAPnet, Lifetime, A&E, Discovery Channel, History Channel, Biography Channel, Military History Channel, Crime and Investigation Network, and partial shares of a German network and the Central European division of HBO, 30% of TSN.
They also own Hollywood Records, which, in addition to the saccharine kiddie-pop, also has the artists Rascal Flatts, Plain White T’s, Breaking Benjamin, and Queen.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Yup. Forgot they owned Discovery Channel (they bought it in the last couple of years). That and ESPN I’d guess are the major contributors to the cable business unit.
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Homer's Epics: An Odyssey for the Salary Cap, The Quest For the Goalie Grail
But if TSN came to the US
I’ve got family who live just south of Welland, Ontario. My cousin wanted to switch to cable so I bought his dish & receiver from him. I get TSN and TSN2 and 5 regional CBC stations so I get all the games et cetera. There’s Sportsnet too but it’s pretty lame.
by TopShelfTony on Jul 12, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
T Shirt Idea
How about a t shirt that says “Big Ville Style” and has a picture of Leino on it?
Also, my friend had an idea thats similar to the Phillies shirts that say “ill” in the phillies font. Instead is says “ille” and has a picture of Leino. What do you think?
everyone's sick of hearing it but
so if they Kings get Kovolchuk, i bet if you offer them Carter for Simmonds and 2 or 3 draft picks, they would go for it.
I mean Carter playing with Kovalchuk, obviously defense is an issue, but Carter and Kovy together and Kopitar and Brown on the same team. I dont think they could turn that down.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 12, 2010 11:59 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah at this point I’m sick of hearing it. I’m done talking about it until something happens.
However, to just talk hockey. I don’t think Carter and Kovie would work on the same line together. That’s two guys that aren’t known for their distributing skills, and need to have the puck a lot. Just my opinion. For your fantasy lineup, they work well together, in NHL 10, maybe, if you are playing the game, in the real world I’m not sure their games match up well to be on the same line. Still, it be a nice problem to have to make work obviously.
Just imagine the SOG totals
The two of them would rack up.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
that would still rack up the same combined and each only score around 30 goals. Just because you get two guys who shoot a lot doesn’t mean you will get more shots on goal. Like Basketball there are only so many shots to go around. Kovy can get 50 on LAK where Carter and Kovy might get 70 combined. I rather save the 5 million and just run Kovy out there.
Oh BTW we are not trading Carter so at this point we can pretty much stop talking about it.
Can we please start talking about possibly trading Richards then?
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by Prometheus74 on Jul 12, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh no, you didn’t.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
His NTC has not started
He has shoulder surgery this time last year (twice)
He didn’t bother to score the winning goal in Game 6
he is a UFA in 2020 so he should me more valuable than Gagne or Carter
Combining Gagne and Carters stats, they play more ice time per game and score more total points
He will free us cap space
It will truly let Homer show Clark who is in control of this ship
We can afford to keep Cote Carcillo, and Shelly!
He isn’t a winger and we need wingers
and most importantly…
We can trade him for a Goalie
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by Prometheus74 on Jul 12, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
The flyers don’t have a 2 until 2013 … by that time the world will have ended and the Flyers will look like trading geniuses
Is there anyone on the Flyers that should be honored on December 22, 2012, since that is the date the Phils should honor Darren Daulton?
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Rick Tocchet (22)
Dave Poulin (20)
Tim Kerr (12)
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Nice, although they might be offended that Daulton was the first one suggested for that date. (note: Phils fans understand why).
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Homer's Epics: An Odyssey for the Salary Cap, The Quest For the Goalie Grail
Grammar fail.
They would be offended if they knew why Daulton was first.
Yes I am old. I remember the Phils good old days and their bad old days. Course, the good old days I'm thinking of were in 2009.
Homer's Epics: An Odyssey for the Salary Cap, The Quest For the Goalie Grail
I was being sarcastic.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
me too
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by Prometheus74 on Jul 12, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Or, you could put the 2nd most prolific goal scorer in the NHL over the last three years on one line, put the 8th most prolific goal scorer in the NHL over the last three years on another line, and then put them together on the power play.
Yes, we’d be single handedly creating an offense that could rival Pitt and Wash, but goddammit we’d get rid of Carter!
Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up. Pay up.
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by elpjuly4 on Jul 12, 2010 12:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Ok, please post your full home address on here, full name, and SSN# on here and we’ll ship the cheesesteaks right over.
if only they WERE as stupid as they seem.
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by PhillyPhan85 on Jul 12, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually rarely visit ESPN the website for anything anymore. It used to be great, but I feel Yahoo and even AOL:Fanhouse has far surpassed ESPN for sports reporting, even beyond hockey. Yeah, I still flip on sportscenter at home for general sports, but during the hockey season, I basically watch the NHL network for hockey highlights.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 12, 2010 12:26 PM EDT reply actions
So
Where are the cheesesteaks you were gonna send over to second city???
For all you young hockey players out there...
Fear The Fin made an offer sheet for them that apparently you guys couldn’t match.
by ohnickels on Jul 12, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 21 recs
HAHAHAHAHA! :)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 12, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we need some matches and a pair of tweezers to get these parasites off our boards
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by PhillyPhan85 on Jul 12, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Hilarious!!!!! Two thumbs up!
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jul 12, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Literally laughed out loud!
Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger;
Our team is so much stronger
We've got Briere, Betts and Pronger...
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 13, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Its not our fault you guys could not afford to sign for the package
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by Prometheus74 on Jul 12, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think so
According to rumors… from espn they’re going to match the offer and the go to arbitration with niemi.
Harpoon a fat chick. Save a whale.
according to rumors…rumors are 100% true.
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by PhillyPhan85 on Jul 12, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok im sorry
The insider from ESPN. You know the guys who have the cell phone numbers of GMs and stuff.
Harpoon a fat chick. Save a whale.
ohhhhh do they have Eklunds cell #?
I hear that guy is really good with rumors too!
Go pay for his site too, he just might tell you where your cheese steak is.
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by Prometheus74 on Jul 12, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
look
you clearly didnt read the contract. it clearly states that you will receive 3 separate shipments. Cheese, then rolls, then steak. we cant ship the next order until the previous order is signed for, and shipping is anywhere between 3-587 weeks. You also didnt pay for the $10 insurance, so ay damaged products are non refundable nor replaceable.
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
we look so good. eat us!!!!!!!!
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
Honor your word
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Harpoon a fat chick. Save a whale.
im starting a mission where we post picture of delicious looking cheesesteaks on SCH.
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
maybe the hawks can have cheesesteaks fill their remaining positions. roll out kane, toews, and cheesesteak line. cheesesteak will distract and cause opposing team to eat them while kane and toews make every goalie look as bad as leighton
by historywillbemade on Jul 12, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
theyd sweep the devils in the cup
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
hahaha I can’t stop laughing at this one!!!!!
Cheesesteak line, that will definitely save them some cap room.
I can see it now for next years playoffs using the theme of this year with the history will be made commercials.
.
“What if Marty wasn’t screened by cheesy Philly goodness?”
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jul 12, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
They certainly could be useful… grinders.
A wonderful and awful pun at the same time. :)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 12, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
you still need a Hero and a couple subs on the team
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by Prometheus74 on Jul 12, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
If only “hoagie” could be worked in – we’d have every permutation then. :)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 12, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
You are on a roll today. :)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 12, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Sloppy Joe could play D
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by Prometheus74 on Jul 12, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
He could team up with Manwich.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 12, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Keeping in mind that Hoagy Carmichael didn’t play hockey.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoagy_Carmichael
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 12, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That was meant to be an addition to my own comment above…
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 12, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Don Ohlmeyer
… he’s the doofus who fired Norm MacDonald from SNL Weekend Update because he “wasn’t funny”.
that just goes to prove my point…
-
that all germans love david hasselhoff
by edesjardins37 on Jul 12, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Chicago matches offer sheet for Hjalmarsson:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Diabolical-Sharks-scheme-forces-Chicago-to-match
It should be fun watching them sign the rest of their team now and stay under the cap.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 12, 2010 3:44 PM EDT reply actions
I agree, which is why I love the Sharks’ move even more. :)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 12, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It may be a bit of an overpayment now
but he just turned 23 and is starting to show signs of being a solid defenseman. If he can continue his growth, I really wouldn’t be surprised if he turns into the next Kimmo.
Of course, watching the Sharks push the Blackhawks ever further to their cap brink gave me a nice chuckle.
"I did my walk of shame this morning and everyone was so much nicer," she said. "People were inviting me to parties at 9 a.m."
They’re flirting with the cap right now:
Forwards: Kane, Toews, Hossa, Sharp, Bolland, Kopecky, Reasoner, Brouwer
Defense: Campbell, Keith, Seabrook, Hammer
Goalie: Huet
Cap hit: $58.74m including bonuses carried forward from last year.
Cap space: $660k to sign 4 forwards, 2 defensemen, and 1 goalie. Even cutting Huet only gets them to $6.285m to sign 8 players.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Exactly
So, if they are intent on keeping Niemi (which they seem to be), that’s almost nothing substantial left to sign the rest of the team.
I wonder if Seabrook, Sharp, or some combination of Kopecky/Reasoner/Brouwer will be on the move. (The fact that they matched on Hjalmarsson makes me think it could be Seabrook.)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 12, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d take that. :) (Of course, we would have to give someone else up that we already have.)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 12, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Shelley and Cote for Sharp – they get two guys for one and cut about $2m off their cap ;)
Honor is no substitute for victory.
I’d be up for that. :)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 12, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Is this serious or an admitted dream?
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Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 12, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a joke. I would laugh my head off if Chicago actually did that. Nobody would trade Sharp for a pair of agitators. At least, I hope none of the GMs would be that crazy.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
I hope Nemi wins BIG in arbitration
then they cant afford him, and he gets to walk as a UFA
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by Prometheus74 on Jul 12, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
That arbitration is going to be hard. Niemi won a cup and is a starter but the goalie contracts this summer are a suck. I say he gets 3 million whatever it is it has be more than Nitty’s 2 million. And say double Leighton, the goalie he beat for cup salary, that should be fair.
That would leave them with 3.5 million to sign 5 goals after cutting Huet. LOL
The Flyers would never be in this situation for 2 reasons.
1) Our upcoming RFAs aren’t as good as Toews, Kane and Keith
2) We didn’t go out and add a 6 million dollar contract that last 3 offseasons.
Campbell
Huet
Hossa
I think he might get a big payday
The players union and every Goalie whose contract ends in the next 54 months will be happy to donate $ for Nemis Arbitration Lawyers.
The Goalie bubble pop.
Their nice little monopoly vanished quicker than anyone realized.
Nemmi arbitration will truly set the standard.
Im going to bet he wins a big 3.8M
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by Prometheus74 on Jul 12, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
and then he will be left without a team. no way chicago will pay him that, they will walk away from that award, niemi will be free agent and no one will be able to pay him what he wants or give him a starting position. must suck to be a goalie looking for a job right now
by historywillbemade on Jul 12, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
The Sharks picking him us as a UFA would make a great story
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by Prometheus74 on Jul 12, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha so Homer is a diabolical genius!
He overpays for Leighton, thus setting a higher precedent that will be used in Niemi’s arbitration, further screwing the Hawks’ cap situation!
Bwahahahahaha exxxcelllent
I think of Homer more as a Forrest Gump than a Diabolical Genius
“Clarkie alaways a-told me that a fighting man is a-mucha better than a proven goalieee”
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by Prometheus74 on Jul 12, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Paul Holmgren is
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by Prometheus74 on Jul 12, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I mean I’d love to have Sharp back too, but not only would Chicago not go for it, the Flyers can’t afford Sharp.
I figured as much, just wanted to make sure.
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Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 12, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Too soon?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 12, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
We talked about this in some thread awhile back. Especially since the Gagne debacle, I think they are going to waive Brian Campbell in addition to Huet. This becomes even more likely with the re-sign of Hjalmarsson. Then they might let Niemi go and sign Turco and keep Toivonen or Crawford as backup.
As I calculate it, they would have $10 M left after signing Turco and would need to sign 3 forwards and 2 D. Do-able.
Of course, if they waive and put both Huet and Campbell in the minors, NHLPA might grieve.
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Do you think people will really start waving all these vets and burying their contracts? The NHLPA won’t like that very much (even if it is in the rules to do it now). I can’t see that working adventitiously for the next CBA negotiations … unless the owners are prepared for a lockout to get rid of the cap now
I think we should go to Fear the Fin and congratulate them for having a GM willing to screw Chicago over, rather than help them out (Atlanta!!!)
Backing Backlund for 2010-2011
Agreed. :)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 13, 2010 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe soon Kovalchoke with bite the bullet and sign already so that the rest of the league will get off their asses and do something already. I feel like after that gets done we’ll have second free agency craze and a rush to dump salaries from teams with a lot of trades (you know like Gagne finding out what his future might be). I feel terrible for gagne right now. This endless waiting has to be grating on his nerves,
by historywillbemade on Jul 12, 2010 7:24 PM EDT reply actions
not that we trust Eklund or hockeybuzz but here’s the latest they had to say about gagne. most of it is common sense but it looks like there might be a light at the end of the tunnel.
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/Simon-Gagne-Fate-Appears-Tied-To-Kovalchuk-Sharp-in-play/1/29319
“Talking to people today I can tell you this. Simon Gagne is not very happy about this dragging on. Not very happy about the entire scene right now. I feel for the guy. Been a very strong soldier for this organization for a long time. To be ask to waive a No Trade Clause for a a gamble like Zherdev doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
I am not convince Simon will go to any team with the possible exception of the LA Kings.
I asked a source today if Simon was the Kings back-up plan, and was told, “No. I think he could go to LA either way.” I get the impression the Kings have two plans here to acquire Gagne. One with, and one without Kovalchuk, but either way it appears very clear nothing happens with Gagne until Kovalchuk resolves…
Gagne probably knows this as well as anyone, as was indicated by his comments this weekend saying, “We’ll have to see what Monday or Tuesday brings.”
I am told as well, there is a very good chance the Flyers are getting a goalie back in the deal, which will help Simon feel better about waiving his NTC…since he is the kind of guy who would like to think it meant soemthing to the team."
So the only way I figure we might be able to snag Bernier or Quick is if LA is unable to sign Kovy but it looks like LA will probably take gagne but our return depends on kovy’s signing…so kovy signs with la, less of a return in trade, but if kovy doesn’t sign with LA we get more. thoughts?
by historywillbemade on Jul 12, 2010 8:04 PM EDT reply actions
Since Kovie is such a giant cap hit, I’m guessing in this scenario someone else goes with Simon if they do not get Kovie, and then we get Bernier or Quick. I have no idea who that would be (but I’d guess a D-man).
But it is also quite possible Eklund is smoking something.
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true la is looking for another defenseman (kabarle rumors)…maybe carle?
by historywillbemade on Jul 12, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
This is likely; I don’t like it.
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neither do i…carle is our 3rd best d-men…i’d rather coburn
by historywillbemade on Jul 12, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
that would not be a good trade at all.
we’d be out a winger and a defenseman. losing carle, would make our defense a wash from last year as from as im concerned. that would be a major loss. i would be very much against it.
unless after we move gagne and whomever on defense, we use whatever cap space is leftover from whichever LA goalie, to sign a replacement defender and winger. but do we have the cap room even after clearing gagne and carle/coburn’s contract.
what’s Quick’s cap hit?
what’s Carle’s cap hit?
Coburn’s cap hit is what again?
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 13, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Quick is 1.8 million
Carle is 3.2 same as Coburn. it works it in terms of numbers but is bad trade. now gagne for quick straight up might be a steal
by historywillbemade on Jul 13, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
id settle for gagne and coburn for Quick.
we get a good goalie, clear a bunch of cap space. and to me coburn can be replaced with someone who can do a decent job at a cheaper price.
at that point we’d have a goalie. and about 6.4 mil in cap space. Should be enough to hunt for a RW for the first line and a 3rd pairing defensemen to go with O’Donnell and keep Powe. However if instead of doing any of those 3 things we keep Carcillo, i will be pissed, especially since we’d have the cap room to address real needs and not carcillo
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 13, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
actually we’d still need to cover Zerdev, so… well maybe we’d still be able to get another RW and a 3rd pairing defenseman for 4.4 million. Dont know if we’d be able to keep Powe though.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 13, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
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