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Understanding Homer

So far this offseason with ever single signing no matter what is completely blasted by the BSH community and every possible move proposed it also blast. Welcome to the Internet. Much like talk radio those who are upset tend to post most often, Geoff (no offense), venting their frustration, leaving a small minority vastly outnumbering trying to quell the angry mob.

There are a million ways to handle the offseason. Any GM is not going to do everything you or I want him to do. And what you and I want him to do are two completely different things. If I had my way over 50% of this boards members will be infruritated and posting left and right calling for me to be fired.

Nobody is going to be perfectly happy with everything that is done. But it is not that hard to use your head and understand what Homer is doing or surmise a legitimate / justification for each move he has made.  I be it the Shelly move is hard to justify. 

We have to look at things in with the goal of putting the best possible to team on the ice. Use our head not our hearts. 

Here is something that we all good agree on. The team needs.

1A) Goaltending

1B) 3rd Defense Pairing

2) Third line winger

We wanted to improve either goaltending or defense with a BIG upgrade. Let me stress BIG here. We want to spend considerable money on a guy that is a sure thing. Ellis, Nitty, Biron are they upgrades over Leighton. Possibly are they BIG upgrades over Leighton no really. They all fall into that career backup mold and vulnerable to soft goalies. With Leighton we got a guy who played with our team and system really well and played in the playoffs really well. There isn't that unknown let's wait and see how the playoffs go does the goalie play well when not facing lots of shots etc. 

The only BIG upgrade in my opinion and Homer's was Nabokov and he was probably going to be too expensive so lets start off by going after D. 

Try defense with Hamhuis he wouldn't sign for whatever reason. Move to do Pittsburg essentially turning Ryan Parent into a 3rd and 7th round draft picks. Very nice

Maybe we were wrong with Nabokov and SJS stated they were not going to offer him a deal let's find out.

Hand shake deal with SJS to talk with Nabokov before July 1st

No deal he wants too much either years and most likely money. Now what?

Try Dan Ellis shit his rights were traded to MTL.

Okay sign Leighton at good price and we will get our D-Man via UFA. Leighton gets a 1.55 million dollar contract. Not too bad considering he might be really good bargin goalie on the market come tomorrow if Ellis is signed. 

Ellis wasn't signed by MTL Damn it. Oh well. Too late for that. 

Move to Defense UFAs. Couldn't get a deal done for anyone. Money was not the issue. Either they didn't want to come here to play on the 3rd pairing much like Hamhuis did or want long term deals with NTC I learned my lesson with those. Now what no goalie no big name D-Man face palm.

Mezaros trade. 24 year old big body blocks shoots. Can't complain about where he plays he is coming from Tampa that is almost as good as getting a guy from the KHL. Deal done. 

Add a vet to sure it up with O'Donnell. 1.00 million nice with veteran incentives done on D. 

Here comes the hard part. Going to let Asham walk. Not sure if I want Lappy to lead the league in fights next year with the brain injury and all he is too important to this team to be fighting all the damn time. Shelly is available he is a good guy plays smart similar to Lappy in terms of bringing a warrior attitude to the team, and finally a true Heavyweight this team hasn't had since Brashear. Deal done, 1.1million for a guy who is 34 and been in the league awhile not too bad. Call Cote thank his wife tell them to start packing for Glen Falls. 

Meanwhile goalies are signing for pennies. And Kovy is jerking everyone off. I can probably still get a goalie like Turco or Theodore and a winger. And still sign Carcillo to replace Asham and Powe if I move some salary. 

Options Carter too young and too good don't want to move him. Gagne is to become a UFA next year probably going to lose him anyway lets see if he will waive is NTC. He will, such a class guy I will try to accommodate him as best as possible like we always do. 

Meanwhile I need to replace his offense at a lesser one year cap hit. Zherdev wants back to the NHL get him on the phone. 2million one year, deal okay I am over the cap until I move Gagne. Get a winger or a goalie for Gags and pursue which ever I don't get in free agency. I don't think I will have to waive him but rumors are that I will. Gagne might to willing to waive his NTC for more teams rather than be waived and get picked up by Edmonton or the Islanders. Trade eminent waiting on Kovy to make up his damn mind. 

Well the dust has clear and all is said on done. 

Better goalie tandem.

Much better 3rd pair.

More balance offense. 

I turned UFA walk away in Gagne into a bunch of 1 year deals that will leave me with RFAs. I can probably get compensation for them versus no compensation for Gagne and I will still have to room to resign my upcoming RFAs Giroux and Leino.

Call George W. Mission Accomplished. 

I would have done things differently. I would have taken a similar approach to Geoff and signed lesser players to play on the 3rd pair. Leopold or Foster maybe somebody would have came over, at 2million. I would have kept Gagne and inked Zherdev to play on the 3rd line with JVR and Giroux. Goalie I would have kept Leighton at the deal and got Turco to compete with him. And I would not have signed Shelly. But in the end as long as the positions were addressed and upgraded and nothing insanely bad is done trading Giroux or JVR for Kaberle I am okay.

The team will be better. That is what matters most. 

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I am your lone voice in that I like the Shelley signing. He fills a role that we just did not have on this team for the last eight years.

Just Call Me "M"!

by MJDII on Jul 14, 2010 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

better goalie tandem?

at best you can say it’s the same tandem because it is the same minus rayzor. leighton was ‘leghts out’ last year and i really don’t think he can possibly improve upon his somewhat flukey yet miraculous 09-10 performance. the jury is out.. as far as D and and a more balanced offense – i completely agree. we should have a very competitive squad next year and have a good shot at winning the division.

by McNabbSoup on Jul 14, 2010 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

better tandem is assuming we add a goalie after Gagne is dealt either. Which I think will certainly happen I am more doubtful of getting the other winger than the goalie. Turco/Theodore/Quick/Harding/Bernier and Leighton is better than what we had. One of those guys will be here when this is all over.

by chrislanci on Jul 14, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quick, Bernier or Harding backing up Leighton I am on board for, the rest not so much.

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by MJDII on Jul 14, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah im not so much a fan of turco or jose “three-or-more”

by McNabbSoup on Jul 14, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

“three-or-four” come on now be fair and if we got Quick I think he would be starting but that is the problem all these goalies are pretty much in the same boat of average to above average.

by chrislanci on Jul 14, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quick, Bernier or Harding better not be starting they are on the verge of blowing up but not there yet. They would be great getting 25 games or more behind Leighton as either one of them earn the top job, which they are more then capable of over time.

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by MJDII on Jul 14, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quick started 72 games last season I have a hard time believing he would be taking a lesser role on our team. But I am not sold on Quicks as a true number 1 guy anyway.

by chrislanci on Jul 14, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really??

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 14, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

He would not have said it if he didn’t believe it, right.

Just Call Me "M"!

by MJDII on Jul 14, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s no Michael Leighton.

by DLJr on Jul 14, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do think Quick is an upgrade over Leighton and I like him better than rest of the guys you are and were available and his cap hit is extremely friendly. I would be fine with that deal. I would just prefer a young winger over Quick and Bernier over all of them for Gagne. But we will see.

by chrislanci on Jul 15, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was just making a joke. I just find it funny how you came to Leights defense and how he deserves a shot, but yet aren’t sold on Quick being a starter. He was worked in to the ground last year. There is some debate on whether his late season struggles were fatigue or something more concerning though. But I think, with his performance last year, behind a young team, he has to be at least considered a 1B at this point if not better.

by DLJr on Jul 15, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I asked for your opinion on him I haven’t seen it or I don’t remember it, but I would defer to you. Is Quick a legitimate number 1 guy on a contender I trust your goalie opinion especially on guys out West that I don’t see a lot of.

by chrislanci on Jul 15, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

scouting report on sbnation has Quick listed as a workhorse starter but there were questions about his endurance last year in la

by historywillbemade on Jul 15, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think any goalie should start more than 60 games a year. That is too much especially with the playoffs.

by chrislanci on Jul 15, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed or you end up looking like the devils in the playoffs post lockout. shouldn’t be a problem next year for la since they want to give bernier time

by historywillbemade on Jul 15, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one is going to understand Homer, especially before all the pieces have been put together. You assume this is his thought process, it may have been it may not. I think understanding Homer is an exercise in futility. There have been points where I have said it’s clear he has a plan (early on it seemed that way) and points where I have said he is throwing darts, which is really me saying I have no clue what his plan is, nor can I pretend to.

I’m sure he is trying to put the best team on the ice he can for next year. The problems have been the way he has go about doing it, his timing, and his ability, or lack there of, with a check book. A lot of his moves seem to be in a vacuum, and you try to address his thought process, but when you get to the hard part, it gets fuzzy, and still seems like a lot of moves don’t connect the dots from one to the other that well. As you said, we need to calm down, and focus on the end goal, icing the best team possible. In that case we probably shouldn’t try to understand Homer until we see the starting day roster.

Also, we don’t get the 7th for Parent, only the 3rd. We moved Hamhuis, therefore nullifying the 7th round pick.

by DLJr on Jul 14, 2010 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Mostly On Board

I am mostly in favor of Homer’s moves this offseason, however there are a few aspects that drove me nuts…

I am fine with resigning Leights – even at his cap hit, as I don’t think anyone else except Nabby would have been much (if any) of an upgrade. I am also fine with signing O’Donnell, and resigning Coburn and Carcillo – and I really like the acquisition of Zherdev, especially at 1 year for $2 mil – this is a classic low risk, high reward move. So far so good…

This is where I started losing my hair…
Now, while I am ok with Homer signing Jody Shelley – even though he overpaid – what I found really questionable is the fact that he give a 34 year old enforcer a 3 year deal – that makes absolutely no sense at all…

I also don’t understand why Homer traded for Meszaros (Sp?). He may have a lot of upside, but there are plenty of servicable D-men in the UFA market from the NHL and KHL that we could have signed to 1 year deals for less than half of his $4 million cap hit. I would rather have Leopold, or Foster like you mentioned – or even bring back someone like Ossi Vannanan to play on the 3rd pair.

Also the timing of this trade made no sense. Why the rush? This seems like more of a trade deadline type of a trade, rather than Day 1 of free agency. If Homer would have went with a less expensive free agent d-man, then he would have been able to keep Gagne to start the season. Having that extra scoring depth on the wing during the season makes much more sense, and then Homer could always trade Gagne (or someone else) in March if necessary.

by SanDiegoScraps on Jul 14, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Ossi Vanannen is why your top four will be cooked again in the finals like this year. They got NHL skilled and reliable defensemen not stop gappers that kill the team when they are on the ice.

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by MJDII on Jul 14, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree 100% with you there M. Meszaros and old O’D would be a good 2nd pairing on most teams they are our 3rd plus Mez brings an excellent shot to the point on the 2nd PP something with needed that only Foster had on the UFA market.

by chrislanci on Jul 14, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Morris and Corvo, just to name two more guys valuable on the PP. Oh wait and Tallinder.
But I do agree with Meszaros, in that he will be an excellent addition to the 2 PP unit. However, Foster was most certainly not the only other UFA Dman that would help a PP. But Meszaros is the guy now whether he was the best option or not, so hopefully he can earn his $4mil.

by DLJr on Jul 14, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree the pressure is on Mez he is going to be the whipping boy this year if he doesn’t preform. Both he and Coburn are on thin ice with those deals.

by chrislanci on Jul 15, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Frankly – nobody can completely judge the offseason right now. You can’t judge a painting when it’s 3 quarter done. I have no problem discussing and trying to reason what has gone on but all the posts for Homer being fired or calling him inept are ridiculous. When Homer took over we were one of the worst teams I can ever remember. We went to a conference final, disappointing 1st round loss, & a Cup Final. Many fans would love that kind of production. I HATE trading Gagne personally, but frankly, it is the best move biz wise for the team in order to win the cup NEXT year. I know by keeping Carter we will have issues next off season but if we win the Cup I won’t care. Keep in mind, if we are struggling next year and Carter is his usual self, we can still trade him at a high value. The only thing I am afraid of is not getting much return for Gagne, but I reserve jusdgement until it finally comes down.

Shaker

by Shaker on Jul 14, 2010 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with your post for the most part assuming one thing gets done: Homer upgrades at the goalie position either through the gagne trade (Bernier/ Quick) or signing one (Turco) with the cap space left over from trading gagne, waiving boosh & cote. Mathematically I have run the scenario over at cap geek, and assuming Homer waives Boosh and Cote as well, we’d have cap space for a goalie and Powe with some left over

by historywillbemade on Jul 14, 2010 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Hopefully a little left for the skilled winger I personally don’t want Powe back we got enough 4th guys and Nodl another 4th line ready to make the jump when someone goes down but Gagne + Cote + Boosh = 6.7 million dollars in cap space – 2.5 that we are over now. 4.2 million left for Powe/winger, goalie and wiggle room.

by chrislanci on Jul 14, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

it would be enough for winger but I like Powe as a 4th winger who can pk. plus Powe is cheap and adding another winger other than would put us against the cap if we also add a goalie. As long as they get another goalie then Homer’s moves will be alright with me but if we do nothing with goalie tandem then we have a problem

by historywillbemade on Jul 14, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Nodl > Powe and Carcillo and Shelly should be slotted as the other 4th line winger. Nodl has a two way contract and can come up in case of injury and Carcillo can move up to other lines in the short term playing either wing. I rather get a skilled type guy in the 1.5 – 2.0 million dollar range to be the regular 3rd line RW. I am not sold on Carcillo as the guy for JVR and Giroux. And I am certainly not sold as Carcillo as the LW in place of Gagne with Carter and Richards. Or however you break it down.

by chrislanci on Jul 15, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m okay with Powe or Nodl in that spot, I really like them both.

But even though Powe isn’t signed yet (although his original offer sheet doesn’t expire til 5pm today), and I feel dirty just for saying this, but Powe is going to be cheaper than Nodl’s 850k cap hit. And that 200k in space is going to make a big difference without the mess Homer made this offseason, especially when considering Powe’s got more experience. Which is too bad, because I honestly like Nodl.

by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 15, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nodl will be called up as injury replacement LTIR whoever is out and bring him up. I don’t want Carcillo on my 3rd line, Powe on my 4th line and Shelly on my bench. I rather have a better skilled guy from the FA market or Zherdev on my 3rd line Carcillo on my fourth and Shelly on the bench to get rotated in when we need his physicality.

by chrislanci on Jul 15, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

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