The saga rolls on: Flyers give Gagne, agent permission to speak with other teams
by Travis Hughes on Jul 14, 2010 12:09 PM EDT
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Step one, solving the issue of the no-trade clause.
Step two, finding a team willing to trade for player.
Step three, negotiating a return on player.
Step four, completing trade.
While the Flyers may have skipped step one (or maybe not, we don't really know for certain) in the Simon Gagne trade mess, they've officially moved on to step two. According to ESPN.com's Pierre LeBrun (probably the hardest working man in the national hockey media this summer), the Flyers have given Simon Gagne and his agent, Bob Sauve, permission to speak with other teams about a trade.
LeBrun also points out that a deal is not close, but this of course is another step in the process. The wheels continue to spin. Also, Sarah Baicker passes along the translation of yet another French interview today by Gagne. According to her, Gagne said "the more it goes, and the move we see the chances to stay in Philly are slim."
Like has been the case for several weeks now, it appears it's just a matter of time before Gagne leaves Philadelphia for good.
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I hate you Holmgren. Beware of the day when I come to murder you. Not even kidding.
I love the Lightning AND the Flyers... go ahead, preach me!
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
American Cheese, B!tch!
so if Homer traded im to Tampa Bay, would you still be mad?
Philadelphia Flyers/Columbus Blue Jackets...don't ask me how.
by PhillyPhan85 on Jul 14, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
him* excuse my typing.
Philadelphia Flyers/Columbus Blue Jackets...don't ask me how.
by PhillyPhan85 on Jul 14, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah. Absolutely. ’Cause I care about what Simon wants, not what i want. And he wants to stay here.
I love the Lightning AND the Flyers... go ahead, preach me!
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
American Cheese, B!tch!
by Katchis on Jul 14, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Couldn’t agree more. I’d love to see one of my favs stay here on this team, could never understand getting rid of someone who loves an area and wants to stay loyal to a team. That is just the ugliness of the biz I guess.
Philadelphia Flyers/Columbus Blue Jackets...don't ask me how.
by PhillyPhan85 on Jul 14, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoa, slow your roll over there regarding taking lives. And for the record I watched Holmgren rip a Philly phonebook in half with his bare hands. You better bring some friends and a bag lunch because it will be a long day.
Just Call Me "M"!
by MJDII on Jul 14, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned
Philadelphia Flyers/Columbus Blue Jackets...don't ask me how.
by PhillyPhan85 on Jul 14, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
…for Sega
"I did my walk of shame this morning and everyone was so much nicer," she said. "People were inviting me to parties at 9 a.m."
+1, nicely played!
“Breakfast, shmreakfast. Look at the score, for Christ’s sake. It’s only the second period and I’m up 12 to 2. Breakfasts come and go, Rene, but Hartford, “the Whale,” they only beat Vancouver once, maybe twice in a lifetime. "
Yeah, I like two teams, get over it!
No, I have absolutely no clue what I would do if they meet in the finals!
Go Flyers and Hawks!
Is .357 Magnum a good friend?
I love the Lightning AND the Flyers... go ahead, preach me!
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
American Cheese, B!tch!
this train of thought could be viewed as inappropriate
Lets all just play nice :)
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by Prometheus74 on Jul 14, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m done anyway. I don’t have the gun nor the guts to kill someone. So let’s pretend all is nice, in pastel colors, smelling like spring flowers, the rainbow above our heads…
I love the Lightning AND the Flyers... go ahead, preach me!
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
American Cheese, B!tch!
possibly a double rainbow…..
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by Prometheus74 on Jul 14, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, P&S reference?!
LOVE it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 14, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering I’ve actually been on the ice with Homer — I would recommend an Uzi at least.
In all seriousness, Holmgren is probably one of the toughest guys in Flyer’s history, which is saying something. I don’t think he ever lost a fight other than one to Nick Fotiu, and that was in the crazy 70’s. Many people who don’t know his history might be surprised to know that Homer is an American, born in Minnesota. He also could play hockey, and put up some pretty good numbers in his prime, and was named to the all-star game in 1981.
At any rate, Homer doesn’t make these decisions in a vaccuum. This is a tough situation, but at the end of the day it’s a business. Like other players for the Flyers I love, I would like to see Simon land on his feet. Since I live in Los Angeles, I’m actually getting kind of excited by the possibility he ends up on the Kings, and if they land Kovvy as it looks like they will, the Kings will be a clear cup contendor.
Sentimental attachment to a 31 year old with prior concussions issues is high in this one
I’m really looking forward to this move, and Carter being traded. It seems I’ll end up getting 1 of these this summer.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 14, 2010 12:30 PM EDT reply actions
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Five-reasons-why-NHL-is-in-trade-free-agent-gri?urn=nhl,255952#remaining-content
nice article explaining why the offseason slowed to a crawl
by historywillbemade on Jul 14, 2010 12:42 PM EDT reply actions
I just read that. The point about Kovalchuk not signing yet I think is the key. I think once he signs with whoever (Please be Devils to give them cap hell) there will be a bunch of signings and trades.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jul 14, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed on both fronts Kovie is holding up a lot of things from happening and I want him to sign with the Devils for two reasons, 1) cap hell in nj, 2) might get a good return from LA for Gagne and LA would be great place for gagne
by historywillbemade on Jul 14, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely bass-ackward; implications for future contracts
Even for those of you who think Gagne might need to go, the way this has proceeded is horrible. (Of course, I’m one of those who thinks Gagne needed not to go in the first place).
This will have implications for the future. Agents will be suspicious of Homer, much more so than if there had been no NTC or NMC in the first place. You are welching on your word. In a sport where, more than any other in the professional world, values and character matter. If you wanted to do this, have Snider (not Homer!) come hat in hand, apologize profusely, and let Simon work out his trade possibilities before you signed other players. Ideally, before June 30. Or at least before you apparently first casually asked Simon, “hey, about that NTC….???” sometime over the July 4 holiday.
If there was ever any doubt that Homer really had no plan, and is operating on an incrementalist mode, this ends that doubt. If we see the agent trying to make agreements NOW, then this is Homer trying to get himself out of the corner he has painted himself in. Well, guess what Homer. Even if you finesse your way out, your boots will have paint on them (agents and maybe even players will be wary). Let’s hope the floor isn’t wrecked.
And by that, I mean the potential for upsetting the delicate balance of the psyche of a hockey team’s morale. Especially one that relies on an aggressive forecheck. Especially one that was a missed shot away from your boy Carter from the 7th game of the SCF.
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eh i mean
the NTC waiving is Gagne’s decision. Homer can offer it as an incentive, but he never offers a NWC (no waive clause). Every GM is within rights to ask players to waive clauses — it happens regularly.
As far as Gagne going… sad. Very sad. I agree that this off-season could/should have been handled with more salary aplomb, and I’m extremely concerned that the Leino ship will be sailing after next season (hopefully the Giroux aerobus will still be in town).
On the bright side, given our contracts, it doesn’t look like we’ll have an extremely interesting offseason after next offseason until 2013 (when Kimmo will ostensibly retire).
As long as the Flyers are a contender that pays well there will be no shortage of players willing to sign here. However, this would become an issue if it becomes a regular occurence and the Flyers don’t have the same playoff success they’ve had 2 of the last 3 years.
by tmurder on Jul 14, 2010 1:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if anything this postseason might have showed the opposite.
it’s all about getting paid these days and notoriety which is why guys didnt want to come here to be labeled as a 5th defensemen or why Coburn got freakin 3.2 million.
players might want to sign here, but they’re going to want money that we wont be able to give them if we’re tied down with contracts to all of Carter, Hartnell, Briere, at least Gagne’s would have come down next season.
with leighton tied down for 2 years. I just dont see where the money is coming from to keep good wingers to fill out our roster. If Leino and Zerdev play well they’re both gone for more money. Then you’re wing core is down to JVR, Carter?, Hartnell, Carcillo, Lappy, and Shelley… yikes. The two top liners out of all those by next season would only be Carter and he hasnt even played wing regularly yet yet and Hartnell (bearing in mind he plays like he did at the end of the playoffs)
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 14, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
you’d have to let Carcillo and Shelley go, but even their combined money only buys you maybe one good winger, and you’d still have to fill out another spot to have enough wings.
you could let O’donnell go but then who’s our 6th Bartuilis, will he do the job, some people here think so, others dont like him at all.
and are we sticking with just Leighton for the next 2 years?
the only way i think we survive next offseason is finding a way to move either Briere or Hartnell’s contract or trade Carter.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 14, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
No. Simply dump Meszaros (for example, on the Islanders).
Everything works then.
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Homer's Epics: An Odyssey for the Salary Cap, The Quest For the Goalie Grail
obviously. we should have just signed Foster in the first place. it’s all we needed with Coburn resigned and O’donnell signed.
why in god’s name we needed to dish out 4 million for Meszaros with our cap situation, homer wont be able to explain that one
then we still would have had money for a goalie and for actual wingers not shelley and carcillo.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 14, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Problem is…to dump Meszaros would be to admit error (for context, see all banking corporate types with regard to collateralized debt obligations, etc. in 2007 and 2008).
At this point, I’d be willing to tolerate an Upshallian “Meszaros and a draft choice for future considerations” deal. The loss of a another draft choice is way, way less than the loss of trustworthiness the Flyers may face in the long run over Gagne.
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Homer's Epics: An Odyssey for the Salary Cap, The Quest For the Goalie Grail
I wouldn’t tolerate that meszaros can be a pretty good player to dump him like that would another mistake. I don’t think they’ll lose that much trustworthiness by trading Gagne. Also they’ll get a way better return by trading Gagne.
by tmurder on Jul 14, 2010 2:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It’s not “trading Gagne” It’s HOW they are trading Gagne. See above.
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Homer's Epics: An Odyssey for the Salary Cap, The Quest For the Goalie Grail
I understand I should have articulated myself better. I think even persuing trading Gags by basically forcing him out and acquiring an assest(s) is better than moving a defenseman the team just acquired for a 2nd rounder for basically nothing. Trading meszaros would show just as much of a lack of commitment and it would show the team is second guessing itself. To me that looks worse than getting an injury prone forward to find a team he would like to be traded to and negoatiate a deal.
by tmurder on Jul 14, 2010 2:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeh i think moving meszaros isnt happening no matter what. we just never should have signed him in the first place. there were other defensemen that better suited our needs cap wise
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 14, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Well we traded for him, a second round pick went to tampa to get him. Holmgren certainly could have explored the free agent market first before acquiring meszaros but he could have also done worse. I’m fine with meszaros he and o’donnell make our third pairing very good compared to others throughout the league. I mean if holmgren was insistent on siging leighton then we might as well spend our money on d.
by tmurder on Jul 14, 2010 2:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
as long as Meszo plays like he’s worth 4 million, then im fine with it. But if he starts in with the mental gaffes and turnovers like his reputation, then im going to royally pissed.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 14, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Signing Meszaros was Homer pushing the panic button and proof that he had no plan at all!!!!! Then he signs Shelley and Zherdev, even more proof he has no clue.
by Markflyersfan on Jul 14, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t say trading for meszaros proves he has no plan. He acquired hamhuis in what looked like a plan to improve the d. When hamhuis demanded more than holmgren wanted he traded hamhuis. When that happened holmgren realized he still needed to upgrade the d so he went and got meszaros in trade. To me that looks like part of a plan. Signing shelley doesn’t fit in to a plan but signing zherdev does. Holmgren probably accepted the fact he was going to trade gagne and went and got a cheap replacement in zherdev.
by tmurder on Jul 14, 2010 2:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s true it is a sticky situation but there are quite a few unkowns involved such as what the flyers get back in any trades, the salary cap, how well each player plays, how contract negogiations go in season and after next season. Either way things work out there will be plenty of work next off-season.
by tmurder on Jul 14, 2010 1:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Briere’s contract may be moved if they can get him to waive his NMC clause. Even though he has a high cap hit, his salary is starting to go down so teams with an internal budget can take him like Nashville. Now I’m sure he won’t want to go to a team if they weren’t a contender, so it would be hard to find a team, but moving one of those contracts may be the only way we keep Carter (if Gagne gets traded now). As some of us think, if we keep Gagne that will help out the cap for next offseason.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jul 14, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
after Briere’s solid postseason and the way his line played, i doubt he’s going anywhere. there’s been no talk of it at this point.
all signs point to gagne going no matter what. that’s not the smart play for the future, but its become quite obvious that holmgren doesnt really plan too much in advance.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 14, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I was referring to next offseason with moving Briere, if he does at all. I would be very shocked if he is moved this offseason.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jul 14, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
As for the defensemen, hopefully after this season one of our defensive prospects can step in and fill the role. As far as forwards, they’re a dime a dozen, you can find forwards that fill a need for a certain price (ex: Zherdev). And as for Leighton I think they will unless he completly unravels, gets hurt, or one of our goaltending prospects shows he’s ready to fill that role. Who ever we have in net for the next 2 years is only a stop gap until we one of our prospects are ready.
Note my comment on the psyche of a forecheck team. Also, please see standings on the day before the Stanley Cup playoffs. (Or thank Olli Jokinen). Playing with fire.
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Homer's Epics: An Odyssey for the Salary Cap, The Quest For the Goalie Grail
i understand your point bud but Homer is probably doing a good thing in letting gagne and his agent pick out teams and maybe work an extension…sure the timing of the moves is terrible
by historywillbemade on Jul 14, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe this is only the 2nd time the Flyers have ever asked a player to waive his NTC.
The Flyers have a lot of reputations around the League.
Some fans call us classless goons
Reporters think we are hooligans
But players know the Flyers organization has a reputation for being one of the top places where the franchise works and honors its players and workers.
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by Prometheus74 on Jul 14, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve barely been talking here because I hate this whole situation so much… As much as I hate that he wants to get rid of Gagne at all, it’s the level of disrespect being shown to Simon that makes this whole mess so shameful. I can’t believe the way Homer is treating him on a personal level, let alone on a professional one. It’s not that he just wants him out of town, he’s clearly burning that bridge and ruining any relationship Simon may have had with the front office. It’s like he’s taken that bridge, doused it with lighter fluid, blocked the other end so it can’t be crossed again, and he’s sitting there waiting with a book of matches for his opportunity to light it. It’s disgusting, and I can’t believe it’s going down this way, when this is an organization that usually prides itself on a family-like atmosphere.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 14, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
what adds insult to injury is that instead of keeping Gagne, who came back and was key in our Cup room, playing off an injury with a lot of heart, we’ve gone with adding Shelley, Carcillo, and Zerdev – an enforcer, an glorified agitator, and a player who maybe albeit very skilled, can have questionable heart. Gagne’s been a class act with this organization forever and proved he could still do some work in the playoffs, and he’s the odd man out. And this all could have been avoided with better moves in the first place.
it is nothing short of a disgrace.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 14, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. Again, in a professional sport where values and character matter, more than any other.
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Homer's Epics: An Odyssey for the Salary Cap, The Quest For the Goalie Grail
I would say that winning and money come first in pro sports. Though that’s coming from my cynical business minded self
by tmurder on Jul 14, 2010 2:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m assuming the “t” in your sig stands for Tony (Hayward).
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Homer's Epics: An Odyssey for the Salary Cap, The Quest For the Goalie Grail
No thank goodness I wouldn’t want to be handling that mess.
by tmurder on Jul 14, 2010 3:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
who would have thought during the playoff run where gagne was killing it, homer was going to put us in a position where we keep Carcillo and not Gagne.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 14, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
THIS!!!
It’s sad that they are treating Simon this way after all of the things he has done for this organization. I really hope he doesn’t get shipped out. I’m afraid what it may do to the locker room without him there as well as what we’ll miss on ice without him. Please Homer make the right decision, and if you have to trade Gagne, please try to fix this mess you created between the Front Office and one of the all time greatest Flyers ever.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jul 14, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that last comment could be a stretch. One of the all time flyers greats? He may be on the cusp, I don’t know. There are a lot of great players to wear the orange & black. Depending on how long the list is I guess……..
UPDATE: After reviewing all time stats, I stand corrected. He is in the top 10-15 in all stats in flyers history. I always liked Gags, don’t want to see him go, and hope he stays, but man, I’ve never looked at his stats before right now. Lets go over them…..
GP: 10th 664
G: 9th 259
A: 16th 265
P: 10th 524
+/-: 16th 143
PP: 11th 72
SH: 10th 11
This is the big stat….
GW: 6th 47
He can and probably would break John LeClair’ record of 61 Game winners if he stays around. Those are great stats. Man……
by Dozer3677 on Jul 14, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah whenever I’ve looked in Flyers top 10 stats he was in a lot of them, and led active players in a lot of categories for the Flyers.
Thanks for digging up those stats. I always saw him being a Flyer for life, and I was expecting him to perhaps challenge a few of those for top 5. But yeah, he has had a great career here, I just hope the front office makes the right decision with what they do.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jul 15, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for writing this, I agree 1,000,000%.
I love Gagne and would hate to see him leave, but I could have understood and been fine with it if it was done properly. However, this has turned into a complete debacle. I’m incredibly disappointed in our team management right now. It was sad when we lost Game 6, but there was still a ton of pride for what we did and lots of enthusiasm for what we have the potential to accomplish next year. But this…this makes me hang my head in shame.
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It would have been interesting to do a fan confidence poll in Holmgren prior to the draft and then do another now.
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by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Jul 14, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions
Maybe after the final because doing it at the draft would have reminded us the Flyers had no first or second round pick.
by tmurder on Jul 14, 2010 2:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
more interesting to do one during the offseason.
it would be like spikes and valleys and flat lines. Homer’s moves are either awesome or terrible, or 50/50 on the dot.
Signing Meszo – 50/50 – at first it’s like hey solid pickup, but then 4 million!?
Coburn – 50/50 – yeh he resigned! – what 3.2 million?
that was the reaction to both signings the day i was here when it was going down.
Leighton signing – fail
Zerdev signing – win
Gagne leaving – fail
Shelley – could be fail, could be 50/50
Carcillo – could be fail, could be 50/50
No goalie upgrade – fail
Odonnel signing – win
a couple wins, lot of 50/50 and fails
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 14, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
why trade him??
okay so what, he’s 33. thats not even that old. chris chelios was still effective way into his 40s. gagne has been here his whole career and has been more than a solid player and goal scorer.
what would we even get for him? we dont need another winger for sure, and theres no good goalies left on the market… and please no one say marty turco.
the best thing we could get for him would be a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick and a guy that could play on the 3rd line…. its just not worth it.
Sorry if I misunderstood you, but if you’re saying Gagne is 33, he’s not. He’s only 30, and that’s as of March 1st of this year (since we didn’t have a Feb 29th in 2010).
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 14, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if he didn’t have concussion problems he’s had groin issues. Even without those groin issues he wouldn’t be getting any better. Anyway you slice it he’s at the end of his prime and if you’re not going to be able to re-sign him why not get something back for him. Fan favorite or not my allegiance lies with the Flyers.
by tmurder on Jul 14, 2010 6:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I disagree that we would not have been able to resign him. Before this mess, he might have taken a sweetheart extension. I’d be afraid of his rate of decay either way, though.
i think that gagne staying here at price cut was just fantasy as we already had many more important players going forward (notice i said going forward and not right now) that are due for a raise (giroux, carter, leino, and now possibly zherdev)
by historywillbemade on Jul 14, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, but I think Gagne was in line for less salary anyway, and maybe he would have taken a half mil less to stay put. Whether or not we would have signed him is something different—they way we’re shoving him out the door, it seems unlikely—but him taking a bit of a cut seems in line with what we’ve heard about him.
oh I know he would do it to stay here but I doubt that the flyers front office would be interested unless he had a killer year
by historywillbemade on Jul 14, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
A discount is speculation seen through the hope filled lenses of a hometown fan.
Id hope he would, but its more than likely that he would not.
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by Prometheus74 on Jul 14, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
If the going price for him would be (say) 4 mil, you don’t think he’d take 3.3 over 3 to not move the family and give a last go with the people and organization he’s known for his entire adult life?
I’m not saying it as a sentimental fan, and it has nothing to do with my hopes; frankly, I assume he’d break down by age 32 or 33, and I don’t think I’d want to resign him except on the very cheap. I’m saying it doesn’t seem inconceivable to think he’d do that. In fact, I’d think it probable.
I agree, I think he is going to break down soon
I would love him you sign a 2 mabe 3 year deal with the Flyers at a discount.
I agree it would be beneficial for him and his family to stay here, and we would get to have him for the entirety of his career.
As a sentimental fan, It makes perfect sense to me!
However
I honestly dont think he sees it as his last go.
I think he believes he will be able to play for 7 good years.
I think he wants a long term contract a little above 4 mil
and I think he believes he deserves it
You know what, he dose!
Unfortunately we cant afford to give it to him
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by Prometheus74 on Jul 14, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I WORKED IT OUT
Why Homer doesn’t want to trade Carter. Holmgren used to wear the #17, maybe he’s still holding out on the hope that Carter will be an all-time Flyer great and will get the #17 in the rafters. Yeah it’s not going to be him, but he might be really attached to that number.
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 14, 2010 7:28 PM EDT reply actions
That’s it!!!! Why didn’t any of us see that before!
Lol but I think that 17 could have had a chance to maybe go in the rafters for Brind’Amour had he not get traded. I associate 17 with Brindy as much as I do Carter at this point.
I can guarantee you that Brind’Amour will get his 17 retired in Carolina.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jul 15, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Brind’Amour also won a Cup in Carolina, though.
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by Prometheus74 on Jul 15, 2010 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions
another better option in net gone. sigh
by historywillbemade on Jul 14, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
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