No Shortage Of Toughness.
Well seeing how I have been repetitive in my last couple of posts, I'd like to take a new turn. With all of the negatives that has come this off season, we have upgraded in one place for sure: The Level Of Toughness. If the Flyers weren't tough last year they certainly will be this year. Let's take a look at all the Flyers' fighters from biggest heavyweight to occasinal fighters.
Shelley is by far the new primary enforcer on the Flyers' roster. Standing at six feet three inches tall, Shelley is going to be a force to be reckoned while wearing the orange and black. Sure the Flyers have had tough guys in the past couple years, but this is the first true heavyweight on the Flyers' roster since Donald Brashear. The Flyers will finally have a guy to stand up to/pound guys like Colton Orr, Derek Boogard and Erik Goddard. The stars on the roster will also be more protected as well, and will no longer have guys like Ben Eager and Dustin Byfuglien running over them like what happened in the finals.
We all know what the "Carbomb" is capable of in the fighting department. He is involved in a large number of fights, but tends to struggle against big heavyweights. Carcillo is better suited for fighting guys like Matt Bradley (as we all know), Travis Moen and Brandon Prust. If Carcillo fights within his weight class, he is an extremely tough competitor to take down. Carcillo's small stature can prove costly in fights.
Laperriere is much like Carcillo. He is willing to fight almost everyone, but struggles against big heavyweights. He can take loads of shots and is not afraid to defend a teammate. He can be a guy that other players fear to fight IF they are within his weight class, again like Carcillo.
Harnell is a very under-rated fighter. He is capable of giving big beatings to people who push him over the edge. Hartnell can stand up to big guys and also protects teammates. He too struggles against fight big heavyweights, but can hammer people within/or under his weight class. Hartnell's size helps him a great deal, but his balance can be his downfall during a scrap.
Sean O'Donnell
O'Donnell is a very fisty player. He is not afraid to stand up to you or drop the gloves from time to time. He can match up against mid-level guys but has no chance against big heavyweights. His age has also slowed him down and his lack of speed and agility proves costly in scraps (among other thing).
Don't kid yourself, the Flyers' captain can stand up for himself and for his teammates. Although he is usually protected by his comrades, Richards can hold his own in a fight against other guys who are lightweights. If Richards catches a guys of a smaller statured he can provide a good beating.
The reason I did not mention Riley Cote is because I doubt he will be playing for the Flyers this year. He may make an apperance if they're are injuries and/or we are playing a big team, although I doubt it very much.
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You forgot Chris Pronger, he got into a couple of fights iirc (but is too important to the team to be wasting time and risking injury in a fight). But anyway, any discussion of Flyers toughness without mentioning Chris Pronger is incomplete.
Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger;
Our team is so much stronger
We've got Briere, Betts and Pronger...
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 15, 2010 12:43 AM EDT reply actions
Or Coburn pre last season. And remember that time Giroux fought that guy? Svatos? Yeah X is tough.
Backing Backlund for 2010-2011
We can’t forget how G dropped Tyler Kennedy in the playoffs, either. He’s got a pretty mean right cross.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 15, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Just to be in the NHL you need to be a tough person from the wimpiest russian forward to Colton Orr. But being a tough mean player is mutually exclusive to serve the role of physically policing the ice. Pronger, Hartnell and Richards should not even be expected to add that dimension to the team. Can they, yes, will they, yes, should they, NO. By getting a couple fighters they eliminate the need for any one of those three to send the messages. Sometimes they will have to but that would be messages to their own team not the opposition.
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Agree with you.
Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger;
Our team is so much stronger
We've got Briere, Betts and Pronger...
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 15, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Just for the heck of it, HockeyFights listing of fights per Flyer last season:
Ian Laperriere 25
Dan Carcillo 17
Arron Asham 14
Scott Hartnell 7
Riley Cote 4
Mike Richards 4
Daniel Briere 1
Simon Gagne 1
Claude Giroux 1
Darroll Powe 1
Chris Pronger 1
Ole-Christian Tollefson 1
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Sorry, posted before I was done with my thought:
We’ve lost Asham (14) and Tollefson (1) for certain, so that’s 15 fights. O’Donnell had 4 last year, and Shelley had 13. We’re pretty much at “replacement level” as far as fighting goes. That said, O’Donnell adds defensive skill to the blueline, so I like him as a grit upgrade. Still not sold on Shelley, just because I don’t see where he fits other than as an enforcer, and I prefer more versatile grinders, but I’ll give him a shot.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Haha I completely forgot Powe’s. That Briere/Pickles fight was so classic though.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 15, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Powe’s was hilarious. He pinballs a pair of Penguins with borderline hits, Letang mashes him into the boards, Powe lands four or five punches, and Letang wrestles him to the ground. I think we need a shirt that says “One Powe Wrecking Crew”
Honor is no substitute for victory.
That would be a cool shirt, because even without the fights, he does lay out some serious hits.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 15, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
do we have any stats on zherdev fighting? I’ve seen a couple videos with him getting into it. He looks feisty
by historywillbemade on Jul 16, 2010 1:56 PM EDT reply actions
One career fight with (of all people) Stamkos, after Stamkos levelled a dirty hit on him. The one thing demonstrated in that fight is that Zherdev will stand up for himself, but he’s not a fighter.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
i thought i saw a video of him trading punches in the KHL.
by historywillbemade on Jul 16, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
speaking of Zherdev and fights. Here’s classic Mike Richards destroying Zherdev and then Girardi fighting Richards
by historywillbemade on Jul 16, 2010 1:57 PM EDT reply actions
Hope Zherdev doesn’t hold a grudge. :P
That clip so clearly shows that enforcers are being “ruled” out of the game. Girardi is standing up for his guy, clean hit or not, and gets the instigator. The league is trying to get the “thuggery” out of the league. Fighting is part of the sport, toughness is needed for long runs in the playoffs. But pure enforcers are no longer part of the game. I hope the front office realizes this and use Shelley in a steady 4th line role.
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by Mike B on D on Jul 19, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
i completely agree
i don’t know why we added a goon, shelley can’t even score, let’s get some tough guys with a scoring ability
...yay
by naf snihplod on Jul 20, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions

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