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A plea for Sam Carchidi to become a better hockey writer

We don't make it our business to routinely rip on other writers. After all, we're not perfect. We make mistakes, and we understand when others who write about this team make them too.

But we also understand that in running this site, part of our role is to hold people accountable for how they do their very public jobs, whether it's a general manager, a player, a coach or another writer.

And when a writer covers this team for the largest daily publication in Philadelphia, effectively making him the most-read Flyers voice in the media, it becomes almost necessary for certain issues to be pointed out. Consider it peer review, if you will (although many of the mainstream types wouldn't consider us their peers, that's a topic for another day).

We're talking about Philadelphia Inquirer Flyers beat writer Sam Carchidi, of course. He's been the Flyers writer at that paper for the last two seasons after taking over for Tim Panaccio, who left the paper for CSN Philly.

Over the course of the last year or so, we've obviously read just about all of Carchidi's work. From a simply reporting the facts standpoint, he does his job and he does it pretty well. He's able to do what a reporter does -- report news surrounding the Flyers. Quite honestly, if you have a journalism degree, it's pretty hard to mess that up.

But there have been several instances when Carchidi has displayed unprofessional conduct and, perhaps even worse, flat out ignorance about the game of hockey. For a beat writer covering an NHL team at one of the largest papers in the country, some of Carchidi's conduct is absolutely unacceptable.

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The easy criticism dates back to the whole Mike Richards versus the media mess that flared up back in January.

There's no doubt that a rift between the captain and the media is an issue that should be hashed out between these two parties. Carchidi, in my opinion, was right to have brought up Richards' comments in a Hockey News article that called out the local media.

But when Richards was asked, and when he subsequently gave his reasoning for why he made those comments, Carchidi didn't like his response. He acted like a child, interrupting Richards in mid-sentence, saying things like "you're making that up." It was all very junior high. Very personal. Very inappropriate.

It became even worse when Carchidi, acting like a child once again, titled a blog post "Captain whine rips the media." His editors later changed that title, but the damage was already done. In it, he outlined how Richards "went on the offensive" during the media scrum in question, despite the fact that one glimpse at the transcript shows the Flyers captain clearly on the defensive.

The next day, Carchidi would inexplicably bring the episode up again, calling it "Captaingate" in a completely unrelated story about Ray Emery. More immaturity and more bias from a supposedly-objective news man.

Our own Geoff Detweiler criticized Carchidi's handling of that feud, pointing out how obvious it was that Carchidi has a bit of a personal vendetta against the Flyers captain.

Carchidi's article was written very defensively, mostly sounding like a ten-year old explaining to their mom why the new pair of jeans they just got were already ripped and stained - something out of his control happened and he just had to step in to defend a young maid's honor.

He injected himself into the story, essentially making himself part of the topic at hand. If there's one cardinal sin in journalism besides plagiarism, it's that you should never make yourself the story. Carchidi did just that back in January.

This sort of behavior is expected of immature writers who don't understand journalism, like those at Bleacher Report, for example. Then again, with Philly.com's new-found partnership with that site, blurring the lines between supposed real journalists and childish, irresponsible ones doesn't seem like such a big deal.

But we don't bring this subject up in the dog days of summer because we feel like hashing up a six month old issue. Instead, we've been set off by more recent issues we've had with Carchidi that have boiled over.

I'm going on vacation next week. Actually, starting tomorrow I'll be gone for seven days, effectively putting myself as far off the grid as a Blackberry owner can be. My point in mentioning this is that it's fine for someone who makes their living writing about hockey to go on vacation. It's fine for anybody to go on vacation, of course, for that matter. Panaccio has been on vacation lately, Bob McKenzie is taking a month off last I read, etc. 

But I, nor any of these writers, would think of taking a day off on one of the biggest hockey news days of the year. Carchidi did just that this July 1, spending the height of free agency on the beach in Ocean City.

Just getting back from long walk on OC beach and see Jody Shelley has signed 3-yr deal w #Flyers.3:18 PM, Jul 1 via UberTwitter

 

Carchidi was on Twitter throughout the day and he did write a story for the July 2 paper, so it's not as if he was actually on vacation. But I'll tell you this, as a guy who does this for a living and gets paid a hell of a lot less than the beat writer from the Inquirer: I didn't leave my desk from about 11 AM to about 8 PM on July 1. I don't say that for self-congratulations, either, because it should be expected that every hockey writer on the continent is bogged down to a desk on July 1.

It was non-stop mayhem that day, as it is every year. And Sam Carchidi spent it strolling the sand at the Jersey Shore. How that's possibly acceptable is beyond understanding.

But ultimately, I guess, if his editors are fine with it and he gets his story written, it doesn't matter where he writes it. It doesn't matter if he put himself seriously behind the news cycle because of his mini-vacation, and it doesn't matter if as a result, his sense of the way the story broke and went down is clouded.

The most egregious error a hockey writer can make, though, is simply not understanding the sport. I don't admit to being an expert on every advanced hockey statistic on the planet, but I do try my hardest to understand them all and incorporate them into my writing. When it comes to basic stats, though, I do understand those, as does every hockey writer worth his or her salt. 

Carchidi, however, doesn't understand the basic flaws around the overused plus/minus stat. Timo Seppa at Puck Prospectus outlined them well in a February 2009 article. It's a lengthy piece that isn't done justice by block quoting, so I'd urge you to click over and read it if you haven't in the past.

But if you don't want to, all you have to do is look at the Flyers stat sheet from this past season to show that plus/minus is a pretty bad stat. First off, as a team, the Flyers had a negative 5-on-5 goal differential this year. They went to the Cup Finals, if you recall. Also: Jeff Carter? A plus-two. Dan Carcillo? A plus-five. You get the point.

Despite these numbers and the "six reasons plus/minus is fatally flawed" that Seppa outlines, Carchidi still insists on making blanket claims like this:

Zherdev said today he is a better defensive player now than in his earlier NHL stint. The proof will be in his plus/minus numbers. #Flyers4:11 PM, Jul 14 via UberTwitter

 

We're not talking about an average hockey fan being deceived by the overuse of the plus/minus stat here. We're talking about the beat writer who covers the team at the largest paper in the city. It's his journalistic responsibility to at least attempt to understand the flaws in the statistics he's citing, as other writers covering this team have done.

It gets worse, though, and Carchidi inadvertently wound up bringing this whole thing full circle. Dustin Leed, a writer over at The Hockey Guys, tried subtly pointing out to Carchidi the flaws in plus/minus by citing Mike Richards' numbers from last season. Richards, of course, is regarded as one of the best defensive forwards in the league and was a finalist for the Selke Trophy just a year ago.

Carchidi's response framed his hardheadedness on this topic, and it also reared the ugly head of his apparent disdain for the Flyers captain.

@HockeyGuy_DLEED Richards didn't exactly have an all-star season.4:34 PM, Jul 14 via UberTwitter

 

And there they are: all the reasons why Sam Carchidi needs to improve as a hockey writer summed up into one, simple tweet.

We try to be as fair as possible in what we write around here, and we also try to give people -- whether it be a player, an executive, a fan or a member of the media -- the benefit of the doubt when warranted. We've certainly criticized writers before and we'll probably wind up doing it again in the future, but we always want to give those criticized a chance to respond. 

Ask Anthony SanFilippo or Sarah Baicker how fair we are in our interactions with members of the mainstream media who cover this team (granted, we've never harshly criticized either of them, but nevertheless). If Carchidi feels he was treated unfairly in this article, he knows where to reach us and we'll be sure to give him a forum to voice his own defense.

Our writing this isn't because we personally dislike Sam Carchidi. He's probably a great guy and a real pleasure to go out and have a beer with, or something. We're writing this because as the beat writer at the largest paper in the city, he simply needs to be better.

He needs to understand that when he cites a stat like plus/minus, he's automatically leading people to the wrong information. He needs to be able to let go of personal issues he may have with a player, because otherwise his judgment becomes a lot less than objective. He needs to know that July 1 is a day that his readers need him in front of a computer screen and a cell phone, not the counter at Mack & Manco's.

If Carchidi can improve, then the 300,000 people who read the Inquirer in print and the thousands more who read it online every day will be sufficiently served when it comes to hockey coverage.

Until then, that just isn't happening.

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richards didn’t have an all-star season?

next thing you know, he’ll claim chase utley isn’t handsome. and then we’ll get the pitchforks and torches.

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by psudrozz on Jul 16, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Funny

you say that.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 18, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Opinion:
Carchidi or Larry Brooks

by ic0n67 on Jul 16, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Gee thanks

I’ll take neither and just go to BSH instead!!!!!

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by boknows71 on Jul 16, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh. Fuck you, Travis, for making me think about Mack and Manco’s when I’m one thousand miles away.

by Snevik on Jul 16, 2010 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

As someone who lives relatively close to the shore, I can name probably four places in OC alone with better pizza than Mack & Manco’s. Overrated. But it’s well-known, so I used it.

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by Travis Hughes on Jul 16, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s my childhood. Whether it is the best or not, I will always regard it as the best. Although, last time I went back, they had slipped a bit.

by Snevik on Jul 16, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed it is reputation pizza. I doesn’t have to be good. Just going makes me feel like an energetic younger version of myself.

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by MJDII on Jul 16, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mack n Manco’s: Pizza :: Genos/Pats: Cheesesteak

Both edible, but there are way better all over the area

by orangeandblack20 on Jul 16, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup.

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by JasonB on Jul 16, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, well written. Pretty level-headed, for the most part. I think, as a community, we have a bit of a sore spot for Carchidi’s sore spot for Richards’ sore spot with the media. Thankfully, this didn’t read as bitchy as our comments do.

by Snevik on Jul 16, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Atleast he isn’t John Gonzalez.

by njh3293 on Jul 16, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Is there anyone in the Philadelphia media we like?

by ic0n67 on Jul 16, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Rich Hofman, but he doesn’t cover the Flyers.

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by doubleh on Jul 16, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, like Jim Salisbury and Ray Didinger, but they only do Phillies and Eagles.

"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko

by doubleh on Jul 16, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tim Panacchio seems good to me

by historywillbemade on Jul 16, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he’s OK but so crotchety, like someone’s always on the guy’s lawn.

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by doubleh on Jul 16, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

And honestly Didinger isn’t even good writing about the current Eagles.

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by JasonB on Jul 16, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

anthoney sanfillipo

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by JpH89 on Jul 16, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Chuck Gormley, but he doesn’t get much attention (although he’s finally on twitter, but tweets pretty rarely). He’s a nice guy, knows the team well, and I appreciate the fact that he routinely gives us long quotes and full transcripts of conversations, so I never really feel like he’s withholding information. Sometimes there isn’t a lot of comment and it’s pretty much straight facts, but I’m okay with that.

by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 16, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

*Note that I didn’t mean that in an exclusive way as if he’s the only one I like, it was just that no one had brought him up yet.

by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 16, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

good piece. Kudos.

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by PhillyPhan85 on Jul 16, 2010 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

“Richards didn’t exactly have an all-star season”

He looked pretty good winning gold for Canuckistan though.

In Carchidi’s defense, or rather, in questioning your article, you only cite his tweets for the recent stuff and Captaingate article from 6 months ago. So while I agree with you he could be a better journo and was off base in the Richards saga mid-season, I’d say your article would be strengthened if there were more recent (and egregious) examples of his failings. I’m not buying his 140 character missives on Twatter as journalism, it’s BS.

by scottymac on Jul 16, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Twitter is a medium just like the newspaper, a blog, a TV camera, etc. It’s a different medium, but it’s still a medium. What’s said on there matters (more and more every day).

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by Travis Hughes on Jul 16, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Travis,

I slept through my Communications degree, so get the McLuhan-essence of where you are going. I do not agree that Twitter has weight. Others below also take it to task.

This could be it’s own thread on JournalistBNation – “If a journalist writes something on his blackberry, is it reporting?”
A better question is whether or not they should cross the streams if you will. Should a print journalist use twitter in an official capacity when the nature of the medium is conversational. Well, more like “shout-out” than conversational.

My point – Are we taking a journalist to task for his attempt to connect with the sports fans (and others who “follow” him) who may occasionally through brevity say something that is not 100% agreeable? I’m down with ripping him for an unprofessional article in my paid for Inky, but a one off citing +/- on Twitter doesn’t seem to rise to that standard.

by scottymac on Jul 16, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the response as always, Anthony. You get this stuff and I think we all appreciate that.

We need to be more willing to blur the rules of journalism without losing our integrity.

I’m not sure what exactly you mean by this, though. What exactly do you mean by the rules of journalism? Surely not objectivity? Or do you just mean the arcane, old-fashioned way of doing things?

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by Travis Hughes on Jul 16, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah Trav,

I meant the old-fashioned rules that have been in existence for a century….. not objectivity…. that would cause us to lose the integrity.

by Anthony SanFilippo on Jul 16, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool, that’s what I figured.

I’d argue that you can be subjective and still have integrity (like what we try to do)… but obviously for someone in your shoes, it’s a different situation. That’s the biggest difference between what we do and what you do, and it’s also why your job and our job can co-exist rather easily.

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by Travis Hughes on Jul 16, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I see that as saying is that blogs/twitter/etc can serve a role that is different than the purpose of a newspaper/their websites/etc. You’re right when you say that Twitter is still a medium, but it has limitations just as newspapers do. (For example, Twitter functionally forces you to compress and, often, informalize your text, especially when it comes to commentary.) Beat writers seem to view this divide as column vs. commentary. I like this idea. Certainly, there is overlap, but I think the Montreal reporter that called us Nazi supporters (I was going to research his name, but then I got lazy, just like his reporting) made a valid point when he wasn’t being stupid. He will report the objective facts in his column: stats, quotes, and the like. He also has a blog, where he is free to talk about the team and hockey in general more subjectively. The two spheres are separate, and I think that’s where Carchidi gets in trouble. His opinion gets frenetically woven into his reports on the team, and his opinion is—by the large—hockey-ignorant. It taints his reporting by appearing in the same space, and, frankly, it abuses the purpose of his job, and the access he is given.

by Snevik on Jul 16, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Twitter functionally forces you to compress and, often, informalize your text, especially when it comes to commentary.

Often that is all we want. Ninety-Nine percent of articles read today aren’t finished past the first paragraph. One-hundred-and-forty characters is more than enough to say Gagne is traded to the Panthers or Mike Modano signed a 2 year deal with the Devils. (neither being true … at this point … )

Where journalism in general is failing is battling the dichotomy of the news. Where on one side you have the want to express your opinion and on the other side you have the want to express the facts. In journalism you are taught to report on the fact and keep your opinions to yourself less it being an opinion piece. At this point in time we are having that demilitarized zone between the two sides quickly dissolving away. The writer feels that because they believe something or feel a certain way that it is the only correct opinion. Today with your twitters and blogs you are seeing an increase people giving their opinions on things and the trend is expecting everyone to hold on their every word. The opinion is becoming to blended with the news.

It all in all is a product of Generation Me and this social networking kick where someone opinion (particularly ones own) is over valued when compared to the unalienable truths that the situation is based off of. Rarely anymore am I seeing people talking a broad look at facts and formulating an educated opinion of a situation. This of course can lead to many many bad things happening where a group of people might rally around a notion or an idea that would be detrimental to the whole of society because a small group of people have a very selfish view of the world. Not saying something like Nazi Germany can creep back up into the world because some hockey beat writer is making the news about him and not the hockey, but in general it is very scary what one skewed opinion can lead to.

Carchidi is a beat writer his job is to report on the news. Not report on him. Just for instance. Should any of us know he was walking the beach on July 1? No. Is he allowed to be on the beach? Of course. Is he allowed to mention he is on the beach? Yes. Should he be mixing work and play? No. And that is where there is a problem with that post. And again it comes back to the Me Generation and it does a circle back with the whole Richards thing. He isn’t being a professional journalist during that scene because he was making it all about him and not about the news. Richards also handled ti wrong and should have singled out the problem and maybe even released a statement through the team instead of boycotting like he did. Frankly if it were me in Richards shoes I would have pulled a Tortorella/Brooks thing just to let the rest of the world know if it something personal so I didn’t come off as being a potential villain … but that is just me.

And as far as the +/- thing … It is the only official tangible way of measuring importance to a team on the ice and when we live in a society where we feel the need to numerate every aspect to make us feel better or worse about a situation (“Dude that chick is Tom is hitting on is a 6 tops” type thing). Any fan made numbers I have seen have been flawed (some even the creator admits there are problems), or grossly inaccurate when used in a broad picture.

You can’t prove a negative; It is a known fact. So you will never be able to accurately quantify that which doesn’t happen .. at least when the amount of scenarios are not finite. You can’t accurately say Richards had a good defensive shift because he wasn’t on the ice for a goal scored because in theory the Flyers could have been putting on a passing clinic in the other zone and no defense was played for 2 minutes.

The only way to quantify someone having a good defensive shift would be to obverse and opine that is was a good defensive shift … but then the question comes what qualified a good defensive shift. Well in theory the goal of a shift is to try and score so if you score it should be a positive shift, if you give up a goal then it would be a negative shift , and if you didn’t do either it is kinda of a wash and would be a neutral shift. And considering in theory you should be working as a cohesive 5 man unit at all times then everyone should be rewards/punished for everyone else’s successes/mistakes. Bob’s your uncle you have a +/- stat.

Terrible stat, but it is what it is. You can’t really blame him for using it as a basis for comparison, but as far as saying Richards isn’t good defensively because he has a low +/- isn’t correct. It makes it look like he is just looking at the box scores and a highlight or two to form his opinion and then write an article about it. Which is something that is pretty sad if it were true.

Until we comes to the day when we can all say Roy Halliday is the best pitcher in baseball without the need for a string of numbers to back up the claim there will always be talk about quantifying statistics and no one will be happy unless they find the perfect formula to hit their argument.

by ic0n67 on Jul 16, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

But, but, but…Ubaldo Jimenez and all those winz!!!

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by doubleh on Jul 16, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ma name my first-born Ubald. His brothers will by Tybalt and Mercutio. If he has sisters, they will be Cordelia and Goneril.

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by mikefive on Jul 16, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah … that will go over well … look at your baby and call it Ubald … sounds like you are just mocking it for having no hair. Plus Shakespeare and sports should never mix >.>

by ic0n67 on Jul 16, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m joking.

My last name is Italian and cumbersome, and would not go well with names like “Goneril” and “Tybalt,” though “Mercutio” and “Cordelia” would work nicely.

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by mikefive on Jul 16, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

There have been five players with the first name Romeo in the minor leagues – Barry, Cadena, DelGrosso, Hidalgo, and Michelucci.

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by The Dark on Jul 16, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aaand I’m not on TGP, so I should clarify that those were all baseball players.

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Jul 16, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh my God.

Please tell me that Romeo Michelucci hails from Brooklyn.

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by mikefive on Jul 16, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

San Francisco. My mind has just been boggled.

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by The Dark on Jul 16, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s too bad. I’m imagining swarthy Italo-American Brookylnites in velour tracksuits sitting on stoops saying things like, “Ey, d’jiz heah? Dat Mikkaloochi kid’z gittin’ awl da breaks!”

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by mikefive on Jul 16, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, for a post praising Twitter, that was laboriously long.

Twitter can be a journalistic medium, but the fact it, it’s a personal tool. If you follow Carchidi on Twitter because he’s a reporter, you can expect Flyers news but you won’t necessarily get it. Like it or not, he’s not being paid for that space; he can use it however he pleases.

I agree it’s a great tool for the simple reporting of facts. I think Twitter is less useful as a vehicle for commentary, which is where you DO need space to explain opinions like “Mike Richards didn’t have an all-star season.”

by Snevik on Jul 16, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, for a post praising Twitter, that was obnoxiously long.

fixed that for you

… … … wait >.>

by ic0n67 on Jul 16, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only thing I really liked on Twitter – oddly enough – was music critic Christopher R. Weingarten’s @1000TimesYes page, where he reviewed 1000 records over the course of 2009 – all within the confines of Twitter’s 140 characters.

Okay, sometimes I look at Joffrey Lupul’s and Scottie Upshall’s respective Twitter pages if I ever need to feel better about myself.

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by mikefive on Jul 16, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

How can you speak ill of a man with a wrist shot an beautify as that?

by ic0n67 on Jul 16, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

He should have a personal twitter account and a professional twitter account. It kinda goes to my reporting news over reporting opinion. One goes to one account the other goes to the other and only when you mix them is there problems. And I’ll bet anything that he HAS to have a twitter account and it is now a stipulation of his job.

by ic0n67 on Jul 16, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

An important and thoughtful dialog

This is a very good discussion. I just wish that we were having it with a whole lot of others. And beyond a hockey blog. My students and I have had this type of discussion on occasion. Journalism is changing rapidly and we need to understand some of the parameters as a society.

Thanks to Mr. SanFillippo for (courageously) contributing.

Back on-topic: I’m not a stats freak (I was very much in my younger days!!!) I’m about Sam’s age so I don’t know as much as I might about the most trendy of stats. But Sam Carchidi’s tweets from the Shore were just intolerable for me as a reader. I can only imagine what the Dean would say if I chose to be on vacation during the first week of classes. But Sam, it’s your job. Like I have to be aware of how ipad apps are going to change education, Sam needs to understand what the parameters are and where the technology is going.

San Fillippo’s post has some irony in it. Sam’s reputation is that he is a family man and I’m guessing this is when his family wanted to go on vacation. Commendable in that way, but if you insist on this then you need another job than one as a beat writer for a hockey team.

And happy news for BSH, not so happy for the creditors of Philadelphia Newspapers LLC, I’ve stopped going to philly.com for daily hockey news.

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by Bud in TN on Jul 16, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great post!

Now all we need is Carchidi himself to join the discussion.

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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 16, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice job, Travis, although any media outlet that has the snarky John Gonzalez on their staff is obviously not concerned with journalistic responsibility. Now, for your next assignment, please call out the idiot at CSN Philly who needs to go back to school and learn the meaning of words. In a piece yesterday about the potential trade value for Gagne, which referenced a post by Adam Gretz at Fanhouse.com. Whoever concocted the article for CSN Philly then came up with this doozy:

Gretz expunges on his thoughts as to the rewards of receiving Gagne in a trade. “When healthy, he’s a legitimate first-line winger and first-line wingers aren’t exactly growing on trees.”

The word expunge, when used as a verb means to erase or scratch out. I suspect they meant to use the word espouse, which means to give support for, but neither the writer nor whoever edits things for their website seems to have bothered to check the meaning. I’ll expect a full expose from you within the week, calling for the head of whoever is responsible :D

by Pocono Flyers Fan on Jul 16, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

He might have meant “expounds on” too.

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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 16, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha! Sounds like it could have come from the Metro.

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by Mike B on D on Jul 16, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gonzalez writes a column...it is supposed to be opinion.

And SanFilippo shows, more than anything, that he cares about hockey…enough to read BSH while on vacation. As to Carchidi, you are certainly correct to point out his Richards obsession. Carchidi’s opinion belongs in a blog, not in his role as reporter. His decision to take a vacation on July 1st is only a reflection of the (possible) fact that you care more about the NHL and Flyers’ goings on than Carchidi…there are other reporters at the Inquirer to report on free agent signings. The plus/minus argument is, imho, getting picky. It is a pretty well known stat which most casual fans consider. I totally agree that using it without context can be both unfair and misleading, as Carchidi was undoubtedly using it. The most interesting thing to me is that a beat reporter would risk his access to a team for entirely personal reasons. Pretty unprofessional.

by paolipress1 on Jul 16, 2010 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

What impresses me is that I wasn’t the one to jump on Carchidi for using plus/minus.

We all know what I think of Carchidi and my penchant for advanced metrics. If you ask me, it wasn’t nitpicking at all. When the Flyers as a team have a negative 5-on-5 goal differential, pointing out that Richards is negative doesn’t tell me anything about his season.

The irony, of course, is that I jumped down Seravalli’s throat for misusing advanced stats – and Frank, if you’re reading, I do apologize for that – and here is Carchidi standing behind seriously flawed stats. The divide between Seravalli and Carchidi is large, and they work for the same company.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 16, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

what is everyone’s penchant for using the work penchant? One blogger used it a few years back and now everyone does … the word is like the damned plague.

Curious how you view Seravalli …. I only ask because during the playoffs I couldn’t stand to hear him talk because he was coming off kinda homerish when he was on DNL (which I found annoying at best). Was wondering if it was just me ….

by ic0n67 on Jul 16, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, a few years back. I tend to pull a word out of nowhere, then use it extensively for a few weeks, and pick up on another. It’s weird.

Anyway, I didn’t like Seravalli at first, but it wasn’t because of his writing. I’ve never had a problem with his writing. I actually saw his first ever appearance on DNL – which is strange, because I don’t watch that as often as I used to – and was put off. Obviously, he just got the job at the DN and I’m sure he was never on TV before (or at least in front of that large an audience) but I wasn’t impressed.

Then came his post trying to use GFON/60 and GAON/60 which failed miserably (all the players he cited had about 20-40 minutes of ice time) and I ripped into him for it. But, I did it as a fanpost rather than as a frontpage story because a) it was me being a stats nerd; and b) I didn’t want to represent BSH that way. I’m not saying I’m wrong, but I shouldn’t have used the tone and approach I did. He was trying, which was the first time I saw those stats in a mainstream media article published by a Philly writer. (SanFilippo has since used them.)

In general, he does his job well. He doesn’t have the best sources since he’s new, but I have no complaints with him. I don’t watch him on TV often, but hopefully he keeps getting better. If Philly can have a big four of Panaccio, SanFilippo, Baicker, and Seravalli, the reporting will be pretty decent. None of that takes away Chuck Gormley’s work, but if you can have two solid writers online and two in print, I don’t think there will be much to complain about. Currently though, both Baicker and Seravalli have room for improvement (as we all do here at BSH).

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 16, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apropos of nothing else...

I like the new-look BSH icon/avatar/logo.

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by mikefive on Jul 16, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Seconded. :)

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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 16, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I may be guilty of holding a grudge

But after the Richards incident in January I was sent over edge. I have felt Carchidi has done poor work from the get-go, but after a)blatantly provoking a person into something for your article, b) titling the article “captain whine” and c) allowing personal feelings to get in the way of journalistic integrity I had enough with his garbage. He is a transported writer and does not know the ins and outs of the game well in addition to allowing personal biases to get in the way of his reporting. SanFilippo is by far the best reporter on the Flyers in the region, and I feel he should be writing for the largest medium, not Carchidi. That he takes the time to even respond to this article says something, as Carchidi probably feels anything published exclusively on the internet is beneath him.

by krice1989 on Jul 16, 2010 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I feel you, I’m still a little disgusted with his resorting to ten year old type behavior in his verbal disagreement with Brett Myers several years ago (I think 3 years ago?). While Myers was definitely angry and I’m pretty sure he started the altercation, Carchidi sure dropped to his level pretty fast.

by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 16, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Much easier to work with now. here’s my prediction:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Jeff Carter ($5.000m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Daniel Carcillo ($1.075m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($0.800m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($0.821m) / Nikolai Zherdev ($2.000m)
Ian Laperriere ($1.166m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Darryl Powe ($0.700m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m)

DEFENSEMEN
Matt Carle ($3.437m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Sean O’Donnell ($1.300m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Marty Turco ($2.500m) /Michael Leighton ($1.550m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,309,763; BONUSES: $937,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,027,737

by historywillbemade on Jul 17, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is what I want (well … maybe finding a replacement for Hartnell … but for now that is what I want)

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Simon Gagne ($5.250m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Nikolai Zherdev ($2.000m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($0.800m)
Claude Giroux ($0.821m) / Mike Modano ($3.450m) / Guillaume Latendresse ($2.500m)
Ian Laperriere ($1.166m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Daniel Carcillo ($1.075m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m)

DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Sean O’Donnell ($1.300m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Michael Leighton ($1.550m) /Josh Harding ($1.200m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $57,855,596; BONUSES: $300,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $1,844,404

by ic0n67 on Jul 17, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

not going to happen. Too many moving parts. I don’t think i’d want to essentially trade Carter for Latendresse and Harding and definitely have no interest in Mike Modano whatsoever

by historywillbemade on Jul 17, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy Christ on a popsicle stick, can Kovy just get this over with so we can trade Gags, get some picks/AHLers/cap space and sign Turdco or Jose “ole” Theodore and I don’t have to read Ek again until the trade deadline?
This is preventing me from enjoying the sweltering heat.

by scottymac on Jul 18, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well i’ve gotten the impression that Kovy’s deal should be done either Monday or Tuesday and then it’s just a matter of trading Gags

by historywillbemade on Jul 18, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve gotten that impression too, but WTF. If this is just media positioning under the “we don’t want to get lost in the wake of the Home Run Derby news crunch” shite I’ll be even more pissed.

And they wouldn’t like me when I’m angry.

by scottymac on Jul 18, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, I meant to congratulate you on the new blog. I was wondering when you’d finally have your own spot at CSNPhilly, so good luck with that!

Thanks for stopping by.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 18, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what, kudos to you guys for making this mainstream lite (nearstream? crossed streams?) enough that the local beats pop in to say Howdy.

I get that the economic model has shifted and you’re picking up the slack for free to carry on the conversation, but it’s good to have a site to talk about this stuff. We don’t actually have a water cooler at work, so I just hang in the hallway with a cup talking to anyone who passes about the FLyers. This is more efficient.

by scottymac on Jul 18, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks Geoff! I really do read this site regularly (as I think most of the Flyers beat guys do), so know that your stuff is taken seriously and certainly appreciated.

(Actually, there was this one time Anthony got totally jealous when you guys were linking to me more than him, I think he may have cried a little — but we won’t go into that :) )

I’m super psyched to have the blog for next season. I have gazillions of ideas, and I think the space will really work well to fill a gap in the current Flyers coverage. At least, that’s the hope!

by sbaicker on Jul 18, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Famous people, eeeep.

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by ToddtheFox on Jul 18, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was really happy when you told me, over Twitter, that your blog would be covering the exact question I had about Leighton. That’s quality coverage if I’ve ever seen it before.

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by Scott Kessler on Jul 18, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Currently, Sam is sitting in an old city bar waiting for Richards to show up so he can write his next "hockey " story. That is why he hasn’t responded.

by save a whale eat penguins on Jul 19, 2010 8:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Time to move on here...

Sorry, but I’ve grown weary of this topic. I guess I just don’t like a whole weekend dedicated to bustin’ on a guy. Is there no Flyers news to report today?

by Buckwsr on Jul 19, 2010 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Although I just recently posted above ( I do have a sick sarcasm streak); I am in agreement with you. Unfortunately, until a certain player can find a profitable home, I dont think we will have much news to hear on the Flyers front. Obviously, the team is going to need to move some major salary and that will be the next thing we are going to hear…Unless, Homlgren decides to trade Gags for Orr and sign him for a multi million dollar deal……(sarcasm again….damn me)

by save a whale eat penguins on Jul 19, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair, we did the majority of flogging before the weekend, and it was a mild whipping at most. And, no, there is no Flyers news to report.

by Snevik on Jul 19, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

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