Monday Morning Fly By: Another Week of Nothing
by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 26, 2010 11:01 AM EDT
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- Remembering Dmitri Tertyshny: [EuroFlyers]
- Interesting free agents that are still available: [From the RInk]
- Including Paul Kariya: [From The Rink]
- SanFilippo says we should trust Paul Holmgren. Probably the best "But the team is better!" argument, even if that isn't the criticism: [DelcoTimes]
- Looking at the league's best even-strength scorers: [Hockey or Die]
- Judging Steve Yzerman's first two months means Paul Holmgren figures in prominently: [Hockey or Die]
- Lastly, Lindberg 31 has an interesting idea regarding salaries and cap hits. Definitely worth a read: [FanPost]
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Bleh
Team is better, sure, it’s also not as good as it could have been. I’m not ready for optimism until it cools down a little more. More negativity please.
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Puck Daddy linked earlier to an article on the Versus website listing Richie as the #6 (I think?) best center in the NHL.
Malkin was 6 … Richard is 5 … And I find the entire list suspect when Cindy is listed at #1 and Mikko Koivu is #7
Not sure how you could have a major problem with Crosby at #1, other than you just hate him. Guy is legit whether you like him or not. If you want to say it’s debatable, sure that’s fine, but to say him being at #1 takes credibility away from the list seems far fetched.
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My major problem with giving him #1 is the fact that he isn’t #1. And honestly I think Malkin is a much better player than Crosby. Although I will admit that Malkin can become invisible at times, but over all he is a much better player.
I’d put Toews ahead of him, I’d put Malkin ahead of him, I’d put Datsyuk ahead of him … I would put Parise ahead of him but apparently he is a left wing (learned something new). I wish I payed attention to more teams out West apparently this Pavelski, Kopitar, and Kesler are all pretty good too … and I still think I am missing someone big that I would put ahead of Crosby in a heart beat.
There are other players out there … giving someone the top spot on a list because the thing to be on the bandwagon is just bad. It would be the equivalent of saying Mass Effect is the best video game ever or Twilight is the best vampire movie ever because of some kool-aide drinking cult thinking. He is good … he is very good, he isn’t the best so don’t put him at #1.
Wow…really…the dude isn’t #1 b/c it’s a bandwagon. The kid can flat out play. Look at his numbers, and not just the basic stats, but his advanced stats too (Malkin did have a better 08-09). I will say his GAON/60 wasn’t great, but it was still 2nd best on the team after Staal, and he played against tougher competition. He also had a better +/-ON/60 than Datsyuk. I would say you could argue Datsyuk above him, depending on what you focus on you have a 1A and 1B in my mind, but outside of that it be tough.
Please tell me you aren’t making the argument that Pavelski, Kopitar, and Kessler are above Crosby? I don’t even know how to respond tot hat. Sure I like them all more than Crosby, b/c Crosby annoys the crap out of me. But he annoys the crap out of me b/c he is really damn good, and out of their class right now.
There definitely aren’t people head and shoulders above Crosby at the center position, that IMO, is ridiculous to say. I’m just going to chalk this up to you being on the Crosby sucks bandwagon. Just b/c you want to say people like him/say he’s great b/c it’s bandwagon, doesn’t mean you aren’t ignoring his talent and productivity b/c you are on the anit-Crosby bandwagon. Look, the kid drives me nuts, but he is the real deal. There was nothing in the article that suggested bandwagon, the kid is just good, and in the top 2 at his current position in the league. I mean forget the season he just had, you’re right, he sucks, what was I thinking, boo Crosby.
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I didn’t say Pavelski, Kopitar, and Kessler are better … I said they are good and I don’t pay attention to the west. And I’ll quote myself: “He is good … he is very good, he isn’t the best”
Okay, I’ll quote this from you:
My major problem with giving him #1 is the fact that he isn’t #1. And honestly I think Malkin is a much better player than Crosby. Although I will admit that Malkin can become invisible at times, but over all he is a much better player.
I’d put Toews ahead of him, I’d put Malkin ahead of him, I’d put Datsyuk ahead of him … I would put Parise ahead of him but apparently he is a left wing (learned something new). I wish I payed attention to more teams out West apparently this Pavelski, Kopitar, and Kesler are all pretty good too … and I still think I am missing someone big that I would put ahead of Crosby in a heart beat.
I’d argue he is the best player in the NHL, as Snevik points out below, take the center position out of it. He’s in the Top 5 (all positions included) if you are going to debate, and Toews doesn’t make that list, nor does Malkin.
I’ll tell you what, look up Tom Awad’s GVT from 09-10 season, tell me the players at the top of the list. Malkin and Toews don’t even tough it. I’m not saying GVT is the the end all be all, but come on, be reasonable here.
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Honestly I can’t use non-official statistics to try and prove or disprove a point. Especially when — if I am remembering when I looked it up last — the author states that the equations is flawed to begin with. But if you want to throw numbers around feel free
Okay don’t use GVT (that’s why I said, just use it as a starting point, and you could also use any of Gabe’s stats). Honestly you could make this point by either looking at stats (much easier), or I could see if anyone wants to lend us some tape of the elite centers in the league, and we can sit down and break it all down.
No need to consider the 51 goals, or 58 assists this year either since they are just numbers. I won’t bring up the advanced stats again, b/c they make Malkin look even worse defensively, which you know, is important for centermen.
Look anything I point you to can be flawed in some way, even if the math behind the number is not flawed, I may still try to use a number to make a point which the number was not intended to do, therefore making it flawed. But everything I point you to is also a better reason than “trust me”.
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I’ll break down tape … sounds fun :) … plus who knows maybe I have only seen the best of the best from Malkin and that is what I am basing my position on. I have seen him will more plays than I have Crosby which is just one of those intangibles that you will never see in a stat sheet. I do not doubt you will have your own experiences to derive from at well. I do not doubt that you have every kind of number to back up every argument.
Humor me … lets take Crosby out of the equation for a second. Who do you think is the top 10 players in the NHL? (or maybe just take your top 2-11 in the NHL?) Snevik play along too … Don’t use any odd equations and don’t just use base stats for an argument. I’m curious to see how far off I am in judging players
I guess I see Crosby will more plays than Malkin, where I see Malkin get crushed by Richards, half ass his way back up the ice, find a puck end up on his stick at the far blue line giving him a breakaway (granted I also see him win a face off take it behind the net and throw a disgusting backhand in the goal). But I see Crosby make/will just as many plays as Malkin (splliting two dmen, going down on his knees, still scoring). I think what you notice is based on your preferences.
I always notice Ovie and Kovie more than any other players when I go to games. But that doesn’t mean they are the best, they just stand out the most b/c of the style of game they play.
Best players? Forwards? Forwards & Dmen? Centers? What’s the list.
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I was going to go with “Top 10 players not named Crosby” so all could be included.
And you missed the “and then takes a slapshot 18 inches from the goal line” in your story :-p. And yeah … perception is everything … I typically see the diving and the taking baseball bat swings and peoples ankles from Crosby which really dilutes the goodness of the incredible moves he can make
I try to ignore it. I hate him, and when I talk to Pens fans, I bring up all the things I hate about him (which are the same things you do); but when I talk about hockey in general, I have to be honest, and honestly he is an amazing players.
On a side note…Malkin drives me nuts with his after the whistle play too. He has grown to piss me off more than Crosby over the past two years with that nonsense. I have to run to a meeting…afterwards, you will have a list (I’m excluding goaltenders to make it easier for me haha).
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And just in the light of full disclosure … the person I react to on the level you think I react to Crosby is Martin St Louis … Him I hate for no other reason other than I hate him. No rational reason what so freaking ever …
Why would anyone hate Marty? O.o
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I’m guessing it might have something to do with 2004, although he didn’t do that much against us in our ECF loss. There was still a lot of hype and rubbing it in about how good he was that year because he got a lot of individual awards that season… But it’s just a guess, I don’t really know if that’s why.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 27, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmm, that could make sense. But damn… I always thought my little Marty was un-hate-able (<- so not a word).
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I got 8
But I honestly can’t give out my last 2 spots…I came up with the 8 in the meeting I was in…the last 2, I’m just throwing out 2 on the list of 10 possibles I have in my head.
Ovie, Datsyuk, Marleau, Parise, Pronger, Keith, H. Sedin, Backstrom, Hossa, Kovie (I know he doesn’t play defense, but he doesn’t get paid to and I love to watch him play).
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I got the following … and it was actually kinda hard for me. I’m a little shocked I have my hole where I would put Cindy as low as I did. I actually feel like he should be higher … but I can’t think of who I would bump down to move him up … You should be able to figure out where he would be on my list …
Ovechkin, Nash, Iginla, Datsyuk, Toews, Parise, Malkin, Kovalchuk, Zetterberg, Thornton
Is the idea that the players on this list are better than Crosby?
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This started from ic0n67 not thinking Crosby was the #1 center, then I through out some stats, then he said make a list, not using stats, of the top 10 players in the NHL not named Crosby off the top of your head.
If I was using Crosby, he would be #1 on my list. On ic0n’s he would be towards the bottom of the 10 he listed.
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i agree with you. no matter how you put it, crosby is top in the league. probably number 1. as for your list, goalies??
We kept out goalies b/c I didn’t want to go nuts. I had a hard enough time getting a top 10 without considering them. Plus ic0n didn’t allow me to use advanced stats to be able to break ties in my head, so I had a cluster of 6 players for spots 9 & 10, and I just picked two. Goalies would have made it far more difficult
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Malkin is not better than Crosby. There’s almost no argument for that position.
Crosby is not just the popular pick, he’s the correct pick. He’s the best player in the NHL.
He is not the best in the NHL … but if you are going to take that stance there is not sense in even arguing that one … just trust me when I say there are better players in the NHL … probably be in the top 10, but I’d need to take a long look at the players in the NHL to not make a knee jerk list.
Ok, I’ll ignore what I watch, I’ll ignore the stats, and the advanced stats, and just trust you. That makes total sense. It must be the Crosby flavored Kool-Aid I’ve been drinking.
Look you can always argue who is at the top, but to say Crosby is not in the debate for best player in the NHL (top 10 is an insult) is like walking outside this past Saturday and saying you were cold (assuming you live in the Philadelphia area, or some other place where the sidewalks were melting).
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I didn’t mean it as a insult and I would drop him down to 9, 10 or lower just because. I was going to put Top 5 … but then I was thinking I might be able to think of 5 people who I’d rate higher … it was a err on the side of caution
Well you named Malkin, Toews, Datsyuk, and Parise to start. And that’s who you just thought were centers that were better than him. Look if you hate Crosby, that’s fine, you certainly aren’t in the minority here, but to use him being ranked #1 as your reason for why the list of centermen is not credible and to bring up his high ranking as a result of band wagon-ism, that’s where I take exception.
I really not rather get into an argument about Crosby (I do realize I started it). It just hits a nerve when I see people try to diminish his talent and productivity b/c most of the time, that comes from people letting their hatred of him cloud their judgment. My entire hockey team bashes Crosby all the time, and those guys know hockey (there’s over 200 years of playing experience in that room, and we aren’t dressing anything close to 20 guys)…but they also all let their obvious hatred of the guy cloud their opinion of him as a hockey player. They just see him as the enemy instead of a talented hockey player (I’ve heard the Toews thing before from them, I’m starting to wonder if you migth actually be on my hockey team and I don’t know it).
Maybe in 5 years, you are right, all those players become better than Crosby; but right now, I mean he is up at the top of that list based on your preference of style of game.
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Take a psychology course on group psychology and mob mentality and philosophy course on perception and the definition of self … they might warp your thinking a bit on things.
Again he is a very good player … I don’t think he is the best though
But then again, that’s the beauty of stats. Stats aren’t subjected to the mob mentality. They are numbers spared from the worlds of the conscious and subconscious.
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ah yes … empirical stats are objective … but put them into an equation and you get something conjectural that you can or can’t trust and it all becomes a mater of perception (see: GTVT argument).
Don’t use GVT, use any of Gabe Stats. I rely on Gabe stats, but for the sake of quickness for a quick start to the debate, I used GVT as a spring board b/c it allowed me to not have to expend the effort of listing 6 plus categories.
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GVT is solid for offense.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 26, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Whether it’s good, bad, or indifferent, I was just saying for the purposes of starting the debate on where Crosby should be on that list on Centers, look at GVT as the starting point, then try to disprove from there why he doesn’t belong at #1, other than “trust me”. Then it became, well since GVT is an equation, it introduces “conjecture”, so then at that point I am basically saying use any stat you want, there isn’t many of them where Corsby doesn’t look like one of the elite on that list on the top 10 centers.
Basically it’s a Monday Geoff, and I need a drink.
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haha
I completely understand. I was simply replying to “don’t use GVT”. I have no problem with OGVT, but I do when it’s used to compare two-way players or defensemen.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 26, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I didn’t mean for it to come off as never to use the stat or that it isn’t useful. Just more so to get rid of the whole argument that the stats I’m using have inherent bias in them. I’m fine with using GVT, and for this purpose wanted to avoid having to pull a bunch of different stats from Gabe’s site. Unfortunately, trying to take that shortcut led to a back and forth, that has eventually ended up here. So if I had just pulled Gabe’s stats, made them in to a table for those 10 guys, or maybe 5 of them, I probably could have saved myself 20 minutes of aggravation today by doing 5 minutes worth of work.
That’ll teach me to be lazy.
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psychology is mostly bullshit
groupthink studies are inherently flawed because they almost never study a demographic representative of actual groups.
there’s some good psychology, yes, but a lot of it is utter horseshit. just like most social science. “trust me,” i’m a budding social scientist and am also extremely intimate with the pros and cons of psychology (some of the leaders in the field are family friends)
Agreed.
I heap plenty of sports-hate on Crosby, believe me. But he is a damn good hockey player, so I can understand putting him as #1 among centers. I’ve gotta give him that.
Expanding on that thought, I don’t hate him because he’s good, or because he plays for the Penguins (whom I actually respect aside from Crosby), it’s his attitude. That’s what gets me. The diving and “did you see what he did to me?” looks to the refs because he’s a superstar and he should be treated better than everyone else in the league. IMO, Gretsky was kind of similar in that regard, he was always put on a line with two bodyguards so nobody would hit him. I never respected him as much as, for example, Mario Lemieux. Maybe I’m wrong, but hey, that’s just how I saw it at the time.
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I never liked his attitude when he entered the league. He seemed to play with a sense of entitlement, and it always pissed me off. But there are also players with far less skill that handle themselves with far less class on the ice than Crosby as well (see Carcillo). But yeah I never liked his attitude on the ice, but he is also one of the best in the game right now, if not the best.
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Absolutely. In contrast, it shows why I like guys like Ovechkin. He just seems to exude pure love of hockey. His attitude has even gotten my wife interested in hockey, and that’s not an easy task.
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Yep Ovechkin >>> Crosby
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 28, 2010 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d argue that depending on what you mean by >>>. If you are saying likable, sure, but in terms of value or being the best in the NHL, I’d argue it.
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Likability, definitely >>>.
Marketing value for bringing new fans to the game, maybe >, Crosby has drawn a fair amount of attention too. As I said before, Ovechkin has so much outward passion and excitement for the sport that you can’t help but think “damn, I should check this thing out.”
Actual skill brought to the game, I’ll call it a draw, they’re both damn good in their own ways.
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And what a carp off season it has been .. the BREAKING NEWS on yahoo is: “Canucks sign Mason Raymond” … i mean they normally use that for people dying or being fired or getting implicated in steroids or some crap like that … not the re-signing of a second line player
This is actually big news, because Raymond is very important to the Canucks and if he wasn’t signed then another team would have been right on him
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It’s news that was recently broken? What qualifies as “breaking news”?
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not saying it isn’t news or isn’t important … but they used their breaking news spot for things that are more important … would you say the NHLPA filing grievance over Kovalchuk more important news than or Salo tearing Achilles’ tendon? Yahoo doesn’t … in fact I think this is the only player movement to make this breaking new area this off season.
Asham still says Philadelphia is his first choice for where he wants to play this year. No visible way for that to work out at the moment, but if there’s a way, Homer will find it (note: way to fit in Asham may include trading Mike Richards and JVR for a seventh round pick and Wade Redden).
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Do it! JVR and Richards are soft, Asham brings the size, toughness, and grit this team so desperately needs!
NHLPA just filed grievance on Kovalchuk contract rejection.
Not a surprise. Should be an interesting few days.
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It’s about time. I’m really excited to see how an arbitrator reads the CBA, and if the NHL is able to use the fact that the contract loses it’s NMC after 8 years (?) as evidence that the team and player have no intent of Kovie playing out his contract.
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Yeah, the thing about the attached clauses is incredibly weird. He has a NMC from 2010-11 through 2016-17, and a NTC for 2018-19 through 2026-27. I bet you’re right that the NHL will argue that the Devils plan on trading Kovalchuk in 2017-18 or he plans on retiring then or moving to the KHL or something.
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Rick Nash has a similar thing though … No movement for the next 4 years and then no trade for 3 after that …
Rick Nash also doesn’t have a year in between his NMC and NTC where he has neither. His salary also goes up over time, not down — in fact, his highest paid year is his last (2017-18, when he’ll be 34).
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oh I didn’t see the year in between. I though you were just commenting on going from NMC to NTC which seems kinda backwards to me
I guess it’s just so that a player can’t be waived during his prime; afterward they’d still able to control a trade later if it just drops to an NTC, but they could then be waived. It still sounds crazy, I know.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 27, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Many days – there’s no system arbitrator in place. According to Article 45, the NHL and NHLPA now must each appoint the Dean of a law school or business school. The two Deans then have 60 days to appoint an arbitrator. That arbitrator then has 48 hours to make a decision. Thus, we have the potential for this thing to go on until around the end of September (given that they’ll probably need a day or two for the Deans to be notified of this dubious honor).
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I hope the Islanders offer him a 10 year max contract and Kovie can continue to play only a handful of meaningful games each year.
WHAT?
Academics? Now, I’m not quite as cynical as Alon about social science. I actually have used a number of group principles in work-related contexts.
Having said that, the idea that a b-school dean would help decide this….wow.
/tries to stop thinking about some former deans who would be in this position.
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Looks like the Flyers aren’t affiliated with the Kalamazoo Wings anymore. Which actually kind of hurts because I doubt the Flyers will send Stewart and/or Riopel to Illinois to play with the Mallards of the CHL.
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Hm…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 26, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
a problem of having too many goalies?
by historywillbemade on Jul 26, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, they need an ECHL affiliate, I just have no idea who it will be.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 26, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ve switched it a lot recently – it was the Tritons until 06-07, then the Nailers in 07-08, the Sea Wolves in 08-09, the Wings in 09-10…Bakersfield doesn’t have an NHL affiliation at the moment, but they’re not really convenient.
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I don’t think convenience matters for the ECHL really. The Phantoms generally have a ton of scratches, so they won’t need a quick call-up. But they will need somewhere to play whichever two of Stewart, Bobrovsky, and Riopel don’t make the Phantoms.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 26, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
so somewhere to send Stewart and Riopel?
by historywillbemade on Jul 26, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t count Riopel out yet.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 26, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
In that case, it would also be nice to get Bakersfield because they’re hosting the ECHL All-Star Game this season. They get good attendance, too – #5 in the ECHL, #14 overall among the AHL, ECHL, CHL, IHL and SPHL. Anaheim only dropped their affiliation because they wanted an East Coast team to be able to send people to their AHL club.
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Well, at that point, you’re no longer talking convenience so much as expense. Those cross-country flights must get expensive.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 26, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but apparently Anaheim stated either in a release or interviews that it was for speedy recalls from the ECHL to the AHL, which doesn’t really make sense to me.
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yeah. But they’re Disney…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 26, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Not any more. Now they’re Broadcom (well, owned by Henry Samueli, but he’s the CTO and founder of Broadcom). Broadcom (among other things) makes the WiFi chips for Wii controllers and the video processors for most iPhones.
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Ah. The things you learn.
Is there a joke in there about Wii and WiFi? Maybe…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 27, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Couldn’t we loan one or both of them to another ahl team?
by tmurder on Jul 26, 2010 5:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sure, but what AHL team doesn’t already have young-ish goalies that their affiliates are trying to develop? It’s one thing to try and loan a forward who you need to get playing time, but a whole different thing with goalies.
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Oh, are you sure the Flyers aren’t affiliated any more? There are a handful of ECHL clubs that are affiliated with two different NHL clubs – including Kalamazoo this past year – so maybe the Flyers are just in joint affiliation?
Either way, that doesn’t really solve the “we have two goalies who need to play in the ECHL” problem.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 26, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, and Kalamazoo was affiliated with both the Flyers and Sharks last year. But on their website they’ve replaced the Flyers logo with the Islanders logo on the affiliations graphic.
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Ah. So they’re still affiliated with the Sharks, but now they have the Islanders too. That quashes that theory.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 26, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but they could still jump into a joint affiliation for this year, though. 2 years ago didn’t we share the Wheeling Nailers with Pittsburgh?
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 27, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Wheeling Nailers...
…still makes me laugh every time.
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Well hey, he already out “severely overpay for enforcer” the Flyers.
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I mean put a real name to my username… you know what I mean.
Also with the trusting Holmgren story, that’s what I want to try to do right now, and everything hopefully will make sense when it’s all done. No way we have 8 defensemen, and I hope we don’t carry walker as #7 with that cap hit. If that makes sense, plus certain people being waived and maybe signing a goaltender, I will get rid of any doubts about Holmgren’s moves. I always like his moves, just cap management can be a little better.
Is it training camp yet?
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jul 26, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
haha that may be, but if I had a name like The Dark I’d go by that. But I wasn’t creative when I made my screen name and picked my favorite goalie so I have nothing cool to go by lol.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jul 27, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
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