Gagne not heading to Los Angeles

Gange to the Ducks for rights to Bobby Ryan? i know its a bit lopsided, considering ryan is rfa and a good, young prospect, and gange is older and injury prone…any thoughts?

Maybe they will trade Carle instead. That would make financial sense—Mezsaros could move up and play with Pronger and the team could find a cheap #6 defenseman for the third pairing. There might be enough to sign Turco, too.

i hope we dump Carcillo now that we got Shelley, just dont see the point in having both of them. Shelley will intimidate much better than Carcillo on the fourth line with Lappy and Betts.

Powe needs to be resigned because we’re already short on wings even with Gagne. We need Powe on the third line with JVR and Giroux. That’s a nice trio.

No need for Carcillo.

I honestly dont see the reason to move Gagne unless we’re upgrading the goaltending. To move Gagne for just another winger seems kind of dumb. I know he’s been injury proned, but look at what he did in the playoffs and considering his tenure here.

I was okay with moving Gagne if it meant upgrading from Leighton. But we’re not going to do that than why swap a winger for a winger, especially a Flyer for all his career.

The smarter move is to move Carter who right now would have to be a converted winger.

I dont know what we’d get in return for Gagne that would be a good winger fo the top line. Carter seems like he would net something much better.

If all they want is a right winger. Just move Carter for Bobby Ryan straight up. Or move Carter for a winger that is still first line caliber (but is only in the 3 mil range) and still get a goalie and re-sign Powe.

Just dont see what moving Gagne by himself (especially if not to the Kings where I thought we might be able to get Simmonds for Gagne) is going to get us.

I understand that Carter is younger and a better value to the team (scoring wise), and maybe worth more at the deadline, but then I dont see why you move either Gagne or Carter?

Just hold onto the top line as Gagne-Richards-Carter.

And at the deadline if you want to move Carter for something big then do it.

But if all this is, is about cap space for finding a winger to replace Gagne, then I dont get it. Do we have enough cap space to just resign Powe. I dont care about resigning Carcillo, waive his ass if thats the solution.

Just not seeing the point in moving Gagne right now.

Now we’re told the Kings may still possibly have some interest in Simon Gagne… confusing. Like this day has been.

lol, I think anything these teams leak to the media are just smoke screens. They have to serve some purpose other than just announcing pure intent. Regardless, I think (and hope) Gagne will be around until at least the trade deadline. I don’t know if it would make sense to move him then, as it largely depends on how the season is going and so forth, but that could be a way to coup some value for him if they don’t plan to re-sign him after this season.

Nabokov and the KHL’s SKA couldn’t come to an agreement, according to his Russian agent. The Flyers really might be able to swoop in and get him for a good price, should they clear the cap space.

the fact that resigning Carcillo is more of a priority over a goalie is absurd.

whatever we trade Gagne before, we better get a winger in return, and a good one, thats all i have to say.

otherwise we should just waive Shelley’s ass and resign Powe and Carcillo. and let Carbomb play the 4th line, like i thought he would before the shelley move.

still think we should do the Carter for Ryan swap and lock down Ryan long term. Having him and Ritchie on the first line together – you cant go wrong there. Bobby Ryan is right there, and for as much a headache as he’s causing right now. I would find it hard to believe that if you offer them Jeff Carter they would turn it down.

of course that doesnt solve the cap room problem. Still say Gagne for Wayne Simmonds is your best bet if they want to move Gagne.

Unless you do Carter for Dustin Brown. Or Carter for Simmonds and Quick.

31 NHL players, including the #Flyers’ Dan Carcillo, have requested salary arbitration.

Here’s hoping the Flyers simply walk away from whatever the judge decides his salary should be, making Carcillo a free agent.

Look i agree with the sentiment that you dont want to pay a guy just to be an “enforcer”, especially in today’s nhl.

So if you’re not going to do that. You need to find a really tough guy that can still act as an enforcer and protect your guys but still has skill. That’s tougher than you think to find.

And I dont think the Flyers had anyone like that, including Asham and Carcillo.

So while Jodi Shelley as strictly an enforcer isnt the best option, we still needed someone to be able to go out and make a statement from time to time and protect guys.

Even with our improved defense, you cant leave that up to a guy like Pronger. And I dont want Lappy or Hartnell doing that either, especially not Hartnell. That just leads down a bad path for him of more penalty taking.

If the Flyers had a more heavyweight/intimidator with skill, than yeh thats what you would rather have, then Jodi Shelley. But we didnt have that.

If Carcillo was more of an intimidator and heavyweight than what he is, along with his skill level, than I would rather keep him over Shelley. But Carcillo just want doing that job.

Enforcers dont really work that well in the NHL, but you still need someone to keep teams from going after your guys without fear of retribution.

If the Flyers had a heavyweight guy with any level of skill (Like what we had with Brashear) than that’s obviously better than just paying a guy like Shelley to be a straight up enforcer.

But you still need that enforcer presence in some form. We saw the need for it in the playoffs. It was quite weird to see the Flyers actually getting pushed around for once. And annoying. Watching guys like JVR and Leino get cheap-shotted and knowing the team couldnt do anything did not sit well with me.

Unfortunately the FLyers didnt have a Brashear anymore, we had two choices. Carcillo who is Brasher minus the enforcer or Shelley who is Brasher minus the skill.

With the skill level this team already has, im taking the “Brasher minus the skill” in Shelley, to protect the skill guys that you’re really relying on.

Wouldn’t LA jump at this? Doesn’t this solve everything?

Yes, in this scenario we’ll have cap problems next year. But happy cap problems and a position of strength (people to trade). Only possible impediment is LA’s increased cap, but they were going for Kovie (!) and this would be less. You even sign Turco. Carcillo assumes an arbitrator award, but maybe he goes away too if you want Nabokov (but I’m not sure why you would in this scenario).

Maybe throw in Laliberte or a draft choice.

Here is the cap geek. I assume Carle goes and Bernier comes. But I prefer Meszakos to go, obviously. In that case, maybe Parse comes back. Note that Bernier/Boosh/Backlund are nearly interchangeable salary-wise.

I’ve been harping for Carter for Ryan, but this makes way more sense. Of course, in this scenario without Turco or Carcillo we would still have space to sign him (though no one to trade him for, other than Brown).

FORWARDS

• Brown ($3.125m) / / Simon Gagne ($5.250m)Mike Richards ($5.750m
  Daniel Briere ($6.500m) Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / /Ville Leino ($0.800m)
  Claude Giroux ($0.822m) / / James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m)/ Simmonds ($0.525m)
• Darroll Powe ($0.572m))Blair Betts ($0.700m) Ian Laperriere ($1.167m) /
• Daniel Carcillo ($1.200m) / Jody Shelley ($1.100m) (NO COTE!)

DEFENSEMEN
 Chris Pronger ($4.921m)/Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) // Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Sean O’Donnell ($1.300m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS

• Turco ($1.800m) / Brian Boucher ($0.925m) / * Bernier ($0.900m)
  CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
  (these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
  ROSTER: 23; CAP: $59.4m; PAYROLL: $57.344m; BONUSES: $0.938m; CAP ROOM: $2.993m