Nikolai Zherdev's agent says deal is "close" with Flyers, despite Russian reports saying he's already signed
by Travis Hughes on Jul 7, 2010 1:36 PM EDT
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PrintUPDATE 2:53 PM ET: I just spoke with Zherdev's agent, who confirmed that the Flyers are in talks with the Russian forward. Nothing is done just yet, according to him, but he said things are "close" and that "due to the time difference, we might have something done tomorrow." They've talked with four or five other teams.
UPDATE, 2:31 PM ET: Frank Seravalli of the Daily News just passed on the following news. "One league source says the Flyers and Zherdev have talked and an offer is pending. Bruins and Sabres are also interested."
ORIGINAL POST, 1:36 PM ET: According to the ever-reliable Dimitri Chesnokov over at Puck Daddy, a Russian outlet is reporting that free agent winger Nikolai Zherdev has signed with the Philadelphia Flyers. At this point, we don't know the financial terms or any details of the contract. Philadelphia media, including CSN Philly and the Daily News, have been unable to confirm the news as of now
Zherdev played in the KHL back in Mother Russia a year ago after the Rangers let him walk following arbitration. The arbitrator settled at just under $4 million last offseason, but after a year overseas, that shouldn't necessarily be an indication of what the Flyers could be paying him here.
So what are we getting if these reports are true? Zherdev is a gifted offensive talent and would immediately be the top ranked right wing on the Flyers depth chart. It makes a trade of Simon Gagne make a bit more sense, and it also makes the chances of Dan Carcillo walking after his own arbitration hearing more and more likely, should the arbitrator rule in his favor and give him a high price tag that the Flyers are able to back away from.
The Flyers would have six wingers under contract after Zherdev, excluding Riley Cote and including Darroll Powe, who didn't file for arbitration but has yet to sign a new deal as a RFA. With the overload at center, the Flyers would be set at the forward positions even after a possible trade of Gagne.
Zherdev is a hot-and-cold player, though. He seemingly gives up a lot of the time on the ice, he's unreliable defensively and he's very inconsistent. He can put points on the board though, and all it would take is a little chemistry and a little hard work from him in Philadelphia to fulfill his potential as a very gifted offensive star.
More on this as info come in.
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wikipedia works fast, i just looked this dude up and it already says he’s currently playing for the flyers.
I always get a chuckle when I hear/read “Mother Russia”. It makes me think of that awesome End of the World Flash Video.
As for this signing, if it’s true, I’m down with it.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
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AHHHHH MOTHERLAND!!!!!!!
Bought that time, eh chaps? Right-o.
But, I am le tired
by Phalange on Jul 7, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I saw this in the Fly By thread, and I was wondering how well he will do. I feel the most important thing is the contract terms, if it’s low I’m fine, if it’s high I don’t think we will be very happy.
As for his hot/cold streaks, I don’t know, the whole team had that last year. Maybe Lavi can light a fire under his ass and get him to go and maybe it may be the signing of the year for us.
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Hey a dedicated thread
Now I have the proper place to put my roller coaster of emotions which goes up and down depending on what my current opinion of what kind of offer they gave him.
hmmm, I like the deal, but I’d rather him play with JVR and Giroux then replace Gagne on the top line. I see it as we should put Powe on the top line with Richie and Carter, and have Zherdev play third line, so we can run three even lines.
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Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you using the royal we here?
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by KreiderDesigns on Jul 7, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not so sure about that. If they sign him, he’ll need to play with some decent defensive forwards (like Gags & Richie) to cover his ass in his own zone. G is ok that way, but JVR … not so sure.
Besides, I’m still convinced Giroux will be playing wing next season, not Carter. If they dump Gagne’s salary, they’ll be keeping Carter. If they keep them both, I don’t know how they fit under the cap – especially signing Zherdev.
I’m so confused!!!
you are right about JVR’s defense. it is lacking so maybe the dream jvr-giroux-zherdev line is a defense liability
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
That would make the most sense. It will be interesting to see if his work ethic is any better now after a year in the KHL. This could be a big gamble depending on the contract terms.
by Mario's Mullet on Jul 7, 2010 4:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Zherdev is a hot-and-cold player, though. He seemingly gives up a lot of the time on the ice, he’s unreliable defensively and he’s very inconsistent. He can put points on the board though, and all it would take is a little chemistry and a little hard work from him in Philadelphia to fulfill his potential as a very gifted offensive star.
Lupuls back?
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
well his goal scoring was missed even if we got prongs out of the deal and lupul did nothing in anaheim except get hurt
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
So you are saying this guy is a massive douchetool?
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
do you read Lupuls twitter too, its painful, yet funny. Not haha funny, like, sad funny.
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
Yeah he should stop twittering. But at the end of the day, it’s easy to ignore that type of stuff if they can produce on the ice.
Which he did not, last year anyway.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
I think Zherdev has greater offensive potential than Lupul. Plus he is currently a year younger than Lupul.
Chris Pronger stole my last signature.
And not a douche…let’s not forget that key part.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
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Are we sure he’s not a douche? Maybe we just can’t tell because he’s Russian.
by ohnickels on Jul 7, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He’s not Russian, he’s Ukrainian. There is a difference. I’m not 100% sure what it is, but there is one.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Ukrainians DO NOT like to be confused for Russians, either. My Russian professor in college was from the Ukraine and emphatic about it.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
I had a friend in college from just north of Kyev. She could read Russian, but it was definitely a third language to her (Ukrainian, English, Russian).
Honor is no substitute for victory.
my family came from the Ukraine
as far as i can tell its a good place in your rear view mirror!!!! i hope this guy can play…
by Elmo the faithful fan on Jul 7, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s currently a year younger? Why, how much younger will he be next year?
by BroadStreetBully on Jul 7, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
well i looked at his stats and they went down in KHL last year so maybe his price went down as well. $2million range sounds reasonable, especially if we are still in the market for Turco at $2 million or less once Gagne is traded
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 1:49 PM EDT reply actions
Did you take in to consideration that he only played 52 games.
Best Season: 0.36 goals per game in 05/06 with CBJ, 0.74 points per game in 07/08 with NYR
Last NHL Season: 0.25 goals per game, 0.71 poits per game
Last Season in KHL: 0.25 goals per game, 0.75 points per game
He looks like he performed to his usual standard, except maybe you could argue his numbers should improve against lesser competition.
Stats in the KHL are always misleadig. Like Emery, whos KHL stats were amazing over there, but were relatively average compared to NHL goalies. but yeah, 2 mill is what i expect.
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
gives us just enough to sign Powe, with 1-2 mill in cap if we trade Gagne
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
is that enough for Turco? we could waive boosh and cote
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Turco has a better track record and had worse defense in front of him. Turco is also going to sign for relatively cheap
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont think we’ll sign Turco, Im pretty sure that Leighton is our starter next year.
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
Yeah. Signed with KHL’s SKA. Four years, $6 million per.
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Thats $6 million per untaxed. Hard to turn that down obviously.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 7, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve wondered how the salaries from the KHL are untaxed? If anybody knows I’d like to know how or why it is tax free.
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Usually the team pays the income taxes for the player, and the stated contract value is the post-tax amount.
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Ok thanks that makes sense. I guess that was one of the things they do to try to lure players from the NHL.
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The various European leagues do the same thing in basketball. It makes it a bit easier for the players to know how much they’ll actually get. Comparing two players signing for Tampa or for Philadelphia for the same amount, the player signing in Philadelphia will get about 1.5% less money – Pennsylvania has a 3.07% income tax; Florida has none, but if it’s still the same as it was, both players will have to count salary for away games as being earned in those states, and pay the applicable taxes there. It gets very complicated.
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I bet it does get complicated. I get a headache whenever I do my taxes, and they are pretty simple. (As good as I am at complicated math I just hate reading Law). Having to do them in separate states, I am sure it’s hard for them, but I’m sure the players hire accountants for that.
Thanks for all the explanation.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jul 8, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
so does Zherdev wear #13?
i have to admit i had a real soft spot for carbomb and hope he ends up out west if not on the flyers.
He is a much cheaper "same mold" type player as Kovalchuk.
He won’t put up Kovy’s points but he is the same “me first” type sniper….for a lot less. I think this could help Philly.
Ya, maybe. If Zherdev is always looking to shoot he might be a good option on a line with Giroux.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 7, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
does anyone get the impression from this signing that the rumors were true and the Flyers really did make an offer on Kovy
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 2:05 PM EDT reply actions
that’s what I read but didn’t believe it but now i do
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank God that didn’t happen. I woulda killed someone if we got stuck with Kovy on our books for $7 mil for 5+ years.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 7, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
We have scoring. Kovy is not worth what he is asking for. Not to mention how badly he would fuck up our cap situation (which is already pretty fucked up as it is).
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 7, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Carter is likely staying put, Gagne (LW) gone, and Zherdev (RW) in, so where does Carter play LW or RW? Zherdev on top line or 3rd line?
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions
carters prob going right wing. we have way too many centers and briere and giroux clearly are better where they are. so zherdev third line…powe first lw?
And now we still have a hole on our 3rd line scoring depth if we truly want to roll out 3 scoring lines…it’s just on the left side instead of the right.
powe or carcillo will probably fill that hole
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends..they either don’t address it (meaning Powe/Carcillo/Asham), they try to get the piece via a trade, or they use the cap space on a free agent winger as opposed to goaltending.
ughhh….i am not at all happy with goalie situation
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
someone should sit homer down with the replays of the Chicago goals from the finals and say to him, this is how you lose championships
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Homer hasn’t watched a single replay of Kane’s overtime goal, remember? He thinks it’s unfair to have an opinion of Leighton that’s based on that goal.
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by Ben Feldman on Jul 7, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just watched a clip of the OT goal again, and it was over the shoulder on a really ridiculous angle. Not saying Leighton is blameless (far from it), but I don’t think it was as soft as I originally thought.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7KyP6cRi18
Overhead view begins about a minute in. Turn the sound off and grit your teeth.
actually it’s under the pad. When I say it on game nite I thought like you did that it was fluke goal that had no business getting in, and then I saw it from another angle and saw it clearly went under leights
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It was five-hole, not over the shoulder. Plus, if it was over the shoulder, that it went in the net would have been much more apparent to the players and referee/s.
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yeah the puck getting stuck under the padding underneath the net is a painful image in my head. a painful memory i have is our starting goalie admit he was cheating on the play and let it slip underneath his pad through his massive five hole.
and yet we resigned him and signed shelley for overpriced contracts while better goalies were still on the market
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much my feeling as well, but doesn’t matter how many times it’s brought up here, nobody will believe it until next year when he’s on wing.
I don’t think people won’t believe it, I just think some people would prefer Carter on the wing, and Giroux at center; I’m one of those people. However, I think the Flyers will play Carter at center, and Giroux at wing. So I believe it, I just disagree with it.
I don’t have a perference, but how long can the Flyers have Richards, Briere, and Giroux up the middle? The first two are signed long-term; for Giroux to get the minutes he should be getting with the talent he should be playing with, he needs to move to the wing.
My feelings on the matter are that Zherdev missed the NHL. Stammer about it or not, the Flyers were 2 games from winning the cup, and didn’t pull a Blackhawks in the off-season.
I know human tendencies. Coming back to the NHL, you know you’re going to make less money, but you’ve got the chance to play for Lord Stanley’s Cup. That’s his motiviation. Not money, but prestige. He’ll sign for cheap, bringing a bit of irony to Nabby’s leaving.
by BroadStreetBully on Jul 7, 2010 2:10 PM EDT reply actions
exactly
if this kid was looking for money, he wouldnt even bother fishing himself around to NHL teams. he obviously appreciated what the NHL and playing in the US has to offer in terms of freedom and prestige. I also get the feeling Z wouldnt have been happy signing with a team that rebuilding like florida or the NYI. the flyers need a cheap sniper, and Zherdev wanted a chance to play for a contender. its the perfect fit. not only do the flyers have guys the keep Z honest, they have guys like hartnell, richards, and carter to show him its not all a grind, and have a few beers with him. they can show him how to get properly S-faced, yet still recover in time for the game. in all seriousness, this is a guy I have coveted for a while, and I am really excited about this move.
by Champ Anderson on Jul 7, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
We now have room for a case of Tastykakes (reposted from other thread)
Just as an exercise: with Zherdev at the original rumored price, without Gagne, but nothing else.
This seems even more stupid.
FYI: the Carcillo amount below assumes we would be "forced" to sign him (see discussion yesterday). Of course in the real world Cote is waived.
We would be ultra-messed up in this scenario not signing the versatile (if somewhat limited talented) and cheap Powe.
FORWARDS
/ Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Jeff Carter ($5.000m)/ * Zherdev ($4.000m)
)Daniel Briere ($6.500m)/Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) /Ville Leino ($0.800m)
Claude Giroux ($0.822m) / / James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / * Daniel Carcillo ($1.200m
* Darroll Powe ($0.572m) Ian Laperriere ($1.167m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m)
/Jody Shelley ($1.100m)/ Riley Cote ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.438m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Sean O’Donnell ($1.300m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
GOALTENDERS
Michael Leighton ($1.550m) / Brian Boucher ($0.925m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 23; CAP: $59.4m; PAYROLL: $60.282m; BONUSES: $0.938m; CAP ROOM: $0.056m
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
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by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Turco but still problems
Even with Zherdev at $4 M, if you waive Cote, Carcillo and Boosh you have cap room to sign Turco. But you still have the problems of Carter and/or Richards and/or Giroux on the wing. You still have Powe with Giroux and JVR. And you have to play Shelley on the 4th line then. You’ve swapped Gagne for Zherdev.
We have to hope that Zherdev comes in at $2 million or less. Or it’s a problem.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
i hope they will still have room for some combination of Turco/Powe/Carbomb after they trade gagne and sign zherdev, waive cote and boosh
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Only if Zherdev comes in at $2M or less (see above; in that case you are using the $2M to sign Powe and Carbomb).
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
and then you’d have to consider if they will get a wing or another player back in the gagne trade
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. The cap scenario above was meant for discussion of “if we just take Gagne off the cap….”.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
I’m hoping that the Gagne saga works itself out soon and all subsequent moves. I just want to know team will look like but it’s too crazy right now
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
russians only follow their cold black hearts for a better check. that’s their only motivator.
that, and i ahve it from good sources this guy is a spy.
Eat what the monkey eats, then eat the monkey. -U.S. Navy survival guidance
its still about winning
but its 50/50, some Players, like Datsuke, play to win the cup, while others play for the world championship and olympics.
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
USSR
but yeah, thats true
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
Yea he was born in Ukraine but I think he has Russian citizenship now.
Much like Nabakov, who was actually born in greatest country in world Kazakhstan.
he was born under the old regime, yes?
he’s a bolshevik if i ever saw one.
Eat what the monkey eats, then eat the monkey. -U.S. Navy survival guidance
he’s a bolshevik if i ever saw one.
Not sure what a bolshie looks like. Would be good to know. Got any pictures of bolshies? ;)
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by psudrozz on Jul 7, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Holy scary movies Batman!
Zherdev is bald and has blue skin and no feet??!!!?
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 7, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
One league source says the Flyers and Zherdev have talked and an offer is pending. Bruins and Sabres are also interested. Working on it.
Honestly, Seravalli doesn’t have the best sources, but perhaps this is not a done deal. Seems strange how nothing else has come out, if a deal has really been reached.
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is it me or does this just get messier and messier as we go along. atleast we can cross nabby possibility off the list
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions
A chess match while Homer plays checkers
No question that it is getting messier. Homer has to think 3 moves ahead. Well, maybe 9 moves ahead and Homer is at 2 or 3.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
yeh but when their ahl team wins the calder cup two years running it’s a good bet for the caps and also saves them money
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think either eric or mark are in shape to make amy kind of comeback at this point.
by bfrank27 on Jul 7, 2010 3:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Alright, World Cup time. No Russians to be seen there.
Someone get me when we have cap numbers to complain about.
by Snevik on Jul 7, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The Daily News just tweeted that the offer is still pending and the Bruins and Sabres are after him too.
so we might be going crazy over something that hasn’t happened yet?
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, that’s nothing new.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
well we still haven’t gagne yet. if we are going to do that, we need to get it done.
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed. but i dont see how its possible given the cap situation
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 7, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe we can go back in time and not sign shelley or leights and signed foster instead of trading for meszaros
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
meszo better be solid for 4 mil a year when we could have signed a guy like foster.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 7, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
this is typical holmgren. We finally assume he’s putting Carter on the first line RW and then he goes out and gets a RW’er. Now we’re looking at a hole on the LW with the rumored Gagne trade. So now we make Carter play LW?
Nice work as usual.
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Brilliant!
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Just talked with Zherdev’s agent. A deal is “close” with the Flyers, but it’s not done yet. He said something could be finalized tomorrow due to the time difference.
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Wow, Cool
Go talk to the TGP people and ask how many times they talked to, say, even Russ Gload’s agent before he signed. :-))
Nice work.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Some Flyers writers do their best to confirm stories at the source. Others spend FA weekend on a beach in Ocean City.
Agreed. My TGP slap was misplaced.
Carchidi, are you still drawing a salary?
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Awesome job, go straight to the source.
I hope the deal isn’t for a whole lot of money. With Buffalo and Boston interested, I am afraid the price may be driven too high, but Homer may still go for it. I’ll just be waiting for the terms before I either think Homer is a genius or start passing out the pitchforks.
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From the Net lists Backlund as a FA. Is that right?
Still some decent players on that list
Backing Backlund for 2010-2011
backlund is signed. 2 years 900k per year
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
so we might have to wait yet another day for this offseason saga to play out. ugh this has the longest and most anxiety inducing free agency that i can remember (minus the lockout)
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 3:16 PM EDT reply actions
well now with Carter on the left, we can start praying he’s the next John Leclair.
or maybe they really are going to have Zerdev play with Giroux and JVR. Id prefer that.
A) Lets see what Giroux can do armed with a sniper on the wing.
B) You make the opposition’s choice to defend way harder – do you stop Carter and Richards? or do you stop the “redemption line”? or do you stop Giroux from wheelin’ and dealin’ to JVR and The Russian?
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 7, 2010 3:18 PM EDT reply actions
by the way i declare if we sign Zerdev, we refer to him as “The Russian”
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 7, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
He was the guy who played for the leafs and gave jagr the salute right?
by bfrank27 on Jul 7, 2010 3:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Absolutely. I was pissed to see him leave. He was psychotic during that huge brawl against the Senators in 2004
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 7, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I was disappointed that his stay he was so short. I would have loved to see him here longer. He was extremely likable, both on and off the ice.
funny, markov was actually my favorite flyer for a short time there. I was pretty pissed we didn’t resign him.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 7, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya especially considering we gave up Justin Williams for him. They didn’t resign him because of the cap and had to dump Markov.
Oh and fun fact about Markov:
Scored the 10,000th goal in Flyers history against Patrick Lalime and the Ottawa Senators during a 5–3 win at the Wachovia Center on March 5, 2004.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 7, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow I didn’t know he is the scorer of the 10,000th goal. Very cool. And that was during the big brawl game. I watch that whole brawl on youtube and it never gets old!
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I know! A night for records! That game set the record for most PIM in an NHL game . . . Typical Flyers’ fashion ;)
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 7, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
If we do sign him, and he plays with Giroux and Van Riemsdyk, we can have the XYZ line
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See above cap scenario. In that case you would have to get SImmonds on someone for Gagne, or Powe or Carcillo are playing with Carter and Richards.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
well when you get two guys like Richards and Carter, having Powe there isnt the worst thing. I mean having Carter and Richards on the same line is pretty ridiculous in it of itself. Having Powe’s speed and grit with Richards and Carter… there’s much worse ways to go… like if Carcillo played with them.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 7, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
C) Just shoot the puck from anywhere on the rink at Leighton and see what happens.
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i hope zherdev comes cheap enough to fit in turco after trading gagne
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
that we could have upgraded had our gm not blown his wad on shelley and leighton.
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember our last Ukranian player?
None other than Ruslan Fedotenko, who has since gone on to win two Stanley Cups.
Therefore, if we sign Zherdev, we will Win It All. Twice.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
better than the bootleg version:
2 Russians, 1 mouth
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Or my HBO Series which never got off the ground…
Seven Hextalls.
One House.
Seventy-Two Ways To Die in Twenty-Seven Days.
An HBO Original Series…
HEXTALLS.
The show would be somewhere between Clue and Ten Little Indians, except with seven Ron Hextalls living together in one house (Hershey Bears Hextall, Young Flyers Hextall, Nordiques Hextall, Islanders Hextall, Old Flyers Hextall, Hockey Executive Hextall, and Regular Soccer-Dad Hextall). Each would die a different way over the course of a month, until there was only one left.
Only one left.
Only one left.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Jul 7, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or my personal favorite:
Club Bangers:
it’s a show modelled after hard knocks and entourage, where Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, Claude Giroux and JVR hit the town by night, and play during the day. The show centers on Mike Richards’ ascension to the top of the NHL, while his less successful and lesser talented friend (Jeff Carter, playing the role of Johnny Drama). Club Bangers is filled out by a young naive JVR, who is new to the world, and a Claude Giroux, who has the skills to make it big, but needs to develop the confidence in himself. Overseeing them will be the witty Peter Lavioliette, with his catchphrases and overall energetic personality
Preaching the Inglewood Jack
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeff Carter struggles to find his mojo on the3 team, forcing management to wonder if they should end his contract, or trade him
Preaching the Inglewood Jack
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Getting Zherdev AND Carter and Meszaros for Brown
Could be sweet as a combo. In this scenario, we would only want Brown. Period. It’s overpaying, but I’m pretty sure LA would do it. If this was not enough, we could always throw in any or all of the following: Carcillo, Leighton, minor D-man, draft choice, etc.And we would actually have cap space to get another D-man (assumes Boosh and Cote are waived and Turco is signed; I’d actually prefer Boosh as a backup to Turco, but that’s another story).
You might need a higher Zherdev salary, of course.
FORWARDS
/ Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Simon Gagne ($5.250m)/* Brown ($3.175m)
Daniel Briere ($6.500m) Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Ville Leino ($0.800m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / * Zherdev ($2.500m) Claude Giroux ($0.822m)
Ian Laperriere ($1.167m)Blair Betts ($0.700m) / * Darroll Powe ($0.572m)
- Daniel Carcillo ($1.200m) /Jody Shelley ($1.100m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m)/Matt Carle ($3.438m) /
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) /
Sean O’Donnell ($1.300m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
GOALTENDERS
- Turco ($1.800m) / Michael Leighton ($1.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 22; CAP: $59.4m; PAYROLL: $58.532m; BONUSES: $0.938m; CAP ROOM: $1.806m
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Yeah, I know. Sigh.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
i still hope that the possible Turco signing happens.
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Note: above bogus trade takes $5.8 million off the cap. Very difficult to sign Turco if Zherdev, etc. is signed.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
how about taking off gagne (trade), boosh and cote (waive) from the cap and then add in zherdev, turco, powe or carcillo
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
See above cap scenario
We (you and I) have been through this. Without Gagne (assuming just a salary dump) without Cote, without Carcillo, without Boosh, with Turco at $1.8, With Powe, with Zherdev at $3M it is about $1M left. And we still have messed up lines. Etc.
You have to get Simmonds or similar back for Gagne for this to make any sense. And I’m not sure that works, unless Homer does an Upshallian deal with LA. (Gagne, a draft choice and extra stuff for Simmonds. Etc.)
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
And we’re “assuming” Carcillo won’t be forced by the arbtirator on the Flyers (see yesterday’s discussion thread).
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
gagne for simmonds straight up, that would straighten things out but we still have the powe/ carcillo problem. All of this could have been avoided had homer not signed shelley.
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
We actually discussed this and throwing Leighton in the minors. Technically, it would work (waive and then assume no one picks them up), but not probably realistic.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
the leighton and shelley signings are dumber by the minute
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Amen. In Homer we Trust, right? Fuckin’ A :(
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 7, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe keep carcillo and cut down zherdev salary. maybe something like 2.5 for zherdev.
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d believe this one, not the Russian stuff.
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 7, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
ok looks like should be done deal then..i just want the details
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
There we go . . .
According to Zherdev’s KHL team (Atlant) the deal with Philadelphia is complete… I have not heard that on this side of the pond just yet.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 7, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm… So it’s done. I guess we have to wait until tomorrow for the announcement and the details.
Please be cheap… please so we can fill the holes when Gagne or Carter are traded.
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and have enough cash to sign Turco crosses fingers
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless this is a bargain signing, I just don’t like it. I’d rather have a hard worker like Asham that overachieves for 24 points than Zherdev who underachieves for 58 points. However, when my opinion greatly differs from Homer’s, his is usually correct. Maybe he can work this out somehow.
No, I agree with you. Signing Zherdev better come at a bargain. If he gets anything more than $3 mil. I am going to be royally pissed. Also, I sure as hell don’t want Zherdev to be our first line winger. He may have the “potential” but he has never really shown he was what it takes. Adding Zherdev and losing Gagne makes this team worse defensively.
I honestly don’t think he is worth the money. I don’t really want Asham back but, good lord, this Zherdev gamble makes me nervous as hell.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 7, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Even at $3 million, that puts the Flyers $2.6 million over the cap, and no Powe or Carcillo. Certainly no Asham. And DEFINITELY NO GOALIE.
Good-bye Gagne . . .
/weeps softly
. . . then . . .
/turns into the Hulk and wants Homer’s head of a stake
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 7, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I will take 60 points over 24 points if that also means 20 more points for Giroux and JVR because they are playing with some skilled guys.
But you also have to factor in giveaways, because Zherdev isn’t known for his defense and he’s known for taking shifts off.
by memphisbrando on Jul 7, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Carter does the same thing and factoring in those giveaways, im assuming you’d still have him right?
We have the defense to cover it. I dont mind this move as long as its not expensive. I’d like to see this team with a few more snipers.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 7, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Carter is actually defensively responsible. Zherdev is not . . . at all.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 7, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
FORWARDS
Simon Gagne ($5.250m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Jeff Carter ($5.000m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($0.800m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($0.822m) / * nikolai zherdev ($2.500m)
Ian Laperriere ($1.167m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.850m)
DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Matt Carle ($3.438m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Sean O[[COMMENT_CHILDREN_TOKEN]]#8217;Donnell ($1.300m)
GOALTENDERS
Michael Leighton ($1.550m) / Brian Boucher ($0.925m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 20; CAP:$59.4m; PAYROLL: $60.860m; CAP ROOM: $-0.407m; BONUSES: $1.052m
SO CLOSE…
In this scenario, you’d want Powe instead of Nodl (cheaper anyway, friendlier to cap). It leaves no margin for injuries of a “short-term” nature (not a good idea).
Besides its unlikeliness, this still leaves us with the many problems we have been discussing. And you do see the dicey area Homer has led us in.
And historywillbemade’s head is exploding with your goalie choices. :-))
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
i just don’t want to admit that we have no options in goal and are stuck with leighton. the market was so favorable and a better goalie (Turco) could be had for cheap and wants to come here and help us win the cup
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah id rather powe i just figured because he didnt sign yet that it was going to be more than nodl. and we really aren’t getting a goalie unless gagne goes. so it’s really whatever balance one thinks is more necessary. more scoring or better goaltending. i know my team isn’t realistic either haha. it would be good to clear some space and get turco. historywillbemade is right, the goalie market was ours and we messed it up. and then we signed an overpriced dman. and then shelley.
Huh.
We’ve all been assuming Powe is an easy, ready-to-be-made $572K sign.
We better be right. If you are right, we are even more messed up than we thought.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Powe probably wants ~$750k, Flyers probably want closer to $650k.
They’ll probably settle around Blair Betts money ($700k).
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
This is exactly what I want. We keep Gagne and add Zherdev.
Damn, Meszaros’ contract FUCKING SUCKS! $4 mil.! Really? It is also what is standing in the way of the Flyers getting a better option than Leighton.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 7, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It is ridiculous, but he has a decent upside. Probably unnecessary considering who else we have, but he scored 36 points as a rookie playing with Redden. Only one plus season though
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Only one plus season though
Exactly. This is my concern. I don’t care if he scores. That’s why we have Briere, Carter, Giroux, Hartnell, etc. (i.e. rolling 3 scoring lines). This mofo needs to be able to defend.
Not to mention that he scored 39 pts. his rookie year, 5 years ago :(
Although, his numbers aren’t bad when he plays on a decent team. Obviously, playing in TB has hurt. Coming to the Flyers will hopefully release that “upside” you mention.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 7, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
how do you not care if he scores
you want us to put fewer points up? Mesz has excellent D and can also score — what on earth do you dislike about that?!
@$4m is a teeeeny bit expensive (by perhaps $500k), but I can swallow that in exchange for one of the best defensive units in the league — a unit capable of shutting down every opposing line and also uniquely capable of putting up a fair chunk of points.
I agree. It is a bit much (I’d be annoyed if I was Carle or Coburn), but for what it gets the team depth wise it is excellent
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I am not saying I don’t want him to score, I just think that defense is the priority. If he scores, then great. He just better be air tight on defense first.
@$4m is a teeeeny bit expensive
He is not worth $4 mil. Not yet at least. He is about a million dollars too expensive which makes a big deal when we are so tight on the cap as is. Nothing about Mezaros says that his defense is “excellent.” He is a pretty average player that is getting paid above what he deserves. You are right, I think he gives the Flyers’ defense good depth and has plenty of potential, but he also has a shit ton to prove . . .
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 7, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Only one plus season though
On crappy teams, though. He was +34 on a +74 Ottawa team, 15 on a +55 Ottawa team, +5 on a +26 Ottawa team, -4 on a -41 Tampa team, and -14 on a -39 Tampa team. Except for his sophomore year, his +/ has reflected his team as much as anything else.
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exactly what i was trying to show with that. meszaro’s contract is really the problem. WHY IS IT SO BIG? what the hell happened to bartulis??
Meszaros is a top-four D; Barty is only a sixth or seventh at this point. But for all the speculation about Gagne, and Carter, and just about everyone else on the team … I am starting to think that Kimmo Timonen is the name that might be moved. Does anyone know if he has a NMC? Look at our defense – there’s five top-four defensemen. And since acquiring Pronger, and with the increased dependability of Carle, I think Kimmo becomes expendable. Damn shame, but true.
maybe sign a goalie who is better than I am (note I actually do play goalie)
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
2010-11 PHILADELPHIA FLYERS
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($0.800m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Jeff Carter ($5.000m) / Claude Giroux ($0.822m)
Simon Gagne ($5.250m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / * Nikolai Zherdev ($3.200m)
Ian Laperriere ($1.167m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Jody Shelley ($1.100m)
- Darroll Powe ($0.520m)
DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Matt Carle ($3.438m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Sean O[[COMMENT_CHILDREN_TOKEN]]#8217;Donnell ($1.300m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
GOALTENDERS - Marty Turco ($3.000m) / Michael Leighton ($1.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 21; CAP:$59.4m; PAYROLL: $58.671m; CAP ROOM: $1.666m; BONUSES: $0.938m
Timonen has either an NTC or NMC.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Kimmo has not become expendable. The reason we only have to worry about the third pairing is that Kimmo agreed to become the best second pairing anchor in the league. You get rid of Kimmo, this goes from the best defense in the league to middle of the room.
Admittedly – but it sure gives you room to improve two other positions – RW and goal. That said, I am a big fan of Kimmo, and a big fan of strong defense – so consider my comments idle speculation. I think with the D on the roster now, we could go into next season with a trained poodle in goal and do just fine.
Bartulis is incompetent and completely unreliable at this point. But, there were plenty of competent defensemen that would have been cheap and would have been fine as a third line defensemen with O’Donnell.
Nice, Homer, you effing idiot…
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 7, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed. we overspent on defense. nothing against meszaros but he’s not worth $4 million to be playing as a #4 or #5 defensemen
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. Note that you might now feel that my Carter/Mesakos for Brown doesn’t look so crazy now (at least for the Flyers).
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
That should be Carter AND Meszakos (see earlier posts).
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
it doesn’t but it’s playing in fantasy land and something homer wouldn’t do. we should stay in the realm of possibility
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
NOT fantasy land. Sadly, it is indeed something Homer would not do.
But note that the Flyers are now signing someone from the former Soviet Union, so……
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
and did make an offer to kovy for $7 million a year. Who knows what homer would or wouldn’t do at this point?
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
what do we do with Cote and Boosh in the scenario we sign Zherdev, Turco, powe/ carcillo? can we waive them and get them completely off the books or bury them in the minors and have it not effect the cap. i’m not an expert on the cba/ cap
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 4:52 PM EDT reply actions
Waiving them and put them in the minors. But don’t bring them up or you have a Randy Jones (“we are paying on our cap for you to have this guy”) situation.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
ugh. this is a quagmire and needs to be sorted out soon
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
What Flyer fan can resist this lineup
Simply waive Gagne, Carter, Hartnell and all your goalies, sign Kovulchuk and Zherdev, resign your RFAs and UFAs to no-movement clause deals and you can bank on the Flyers winning the Stanley Cup, right? Anyone?
2010-11 PHILADELPHIA FLYERS
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
- Ilya Kovulchuk ($7.000m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / * Nikolai Zherdev ($4.000m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($0.800m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($0.822m) / * Arron Asham ($1.750m) - Darroll Powe ($1.750m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Ian Laperriere ($1.167m)
- Daniel Carcillo ($1.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Matt Carle ($3.438m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Sean O\’Donnell ($1.300m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
GOALTENDERS
Johan Backlund ($0.800m) / Brian Stewart ($0.600m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 22; CAP:$59.4m; PAYROLL: $59.935m; CAP ROOM: $0.403m; BONUSES: $0.938m
I know this is supposed to be funny, but it just makes me nervous. It’s not too late, if Homer sees this.
last thing we need is for homer to see this and spend even less on goaltending. luckily hartnell is stuck here and Kovie wants more than that
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Can he please get more back up time in the NHL for him? If he really is “good enough” to be an NHL starter, he could make our’s and Homer’s lives much simpler . . .
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 7, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Who says he’s good enough to be an NHL starter?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
if the flyers end up rolling the dice on backlund as a starter it likely means that leights experiment failed
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
. . . which I’d say has good shot of happening
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 7, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I should rephrase that. He has the potential to be an NHL starter. He was the only real bright spot for the Phantoms last year and, despite that, has never really gotten a shot to prove himself at the big level.
Honestly, I’d be just as comfortable having Backlund in the goalie rotation along with Leighton and/or Boucher.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 7, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
here’s to hoping Backlund can be the flyer’s savior in net, bc it looks like Homer has no problem with Leighton
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok. That I agree with entirely. Which sucks, since the Flyers have 3 goalies with skill levels so close you can barely roll a puck through. Why sign both Leighton and Backlund? Granted, it’s great that our 3rd best goalie is that good, but it’s terrible that our first two are just as good.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
are they even Corollas? I thought they were more like Volkswagen Foxes
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I own 3 Corollas. No joke. They are very good transportation, reliable.
Mercedes are generally NOT reliable (see Consumer Reports April editions, or any Nabokov playoff performance).
If this analogy actually would hold, and I think it might, why are we obsessed over getting another goalie?
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
I hadn’t noticed Asham and Powe at $1.75 before. NIce! Subtle.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
LOL. However this would not work.
Hartnell has an NMC.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Nikolai Zherdev is a scumbag. Any “Ukranian” who plays for Team Russia is a villainous traitor. It would be like an Irishman playing for the British, times 1000%
I’m hoping David Booth decides to take out his revenge on this piece of garbage.
sad thing is that i’d gladly take booth on the flyers. that man earned my respect by sticking up for himself later
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep. Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom.
#1 Flyers fan in England (originally from Southeastern PA)
by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 7, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, and Ukraine was part of the USSR. Then they split and became separate countries, likewise Northern Ireland has absolutely no business being part of the UK. Heck their rugby team is compromised of players from the entire island, but in other sports they compete for the British flag. Spin it any way you want, Irishmen are playing for the Brits.
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
Spare me. Ireland being conquered by Britain and enduring crimes against humanity for decades if not centuries does not make it a part of Britain any more than India or Iraq is a part of Britain, Poland is a part of Germany or Ukraine is a part of Russia.
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
I said Ireland WAS a part of Britain, just as Ukraine WAS part of the USSR. I don’t care what moral stand you’re trying to take, the analogy only works when they are the same. As Northern Ireland is still a part of the UK, it doesn’t line up the same.
But I’d rather not get into this argument, I’m just explaining my prior comments.
I understand the point DTrain was trying to make (reminiscent of Braveheart even), but Ed also had a good point.
Those from the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland are both Irish – citizens of both countries call themselves Irish.
Those from Northern Ireland can also be called “British”, and it would not be traitorous to use the label – it’s more a political one than a racial one, but it is also a correct one.
The source of the problem is that many people, esp. in the US, use the term Irish, Irishman, etc. to mean from Republic of Ireland exclusively, when it accurately applies to anyone from the island, north or south.
#1 Flyers fan in England (originally from Southeastern PA)
by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 7, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
If gags gets traded and zherdev gets signed this Is what I think the roster looks like:
carts-Richie-zherdev
harts-Danny-leino
simmons (traded gags to la for simmons)-giroux-jvr
powe-betts-lappy
Jody rotated in for powe as needed
current d
Turco
leights
by flyersfangiroux on Jul 7, 2010 6:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
no way we’d have room in the cap for zherdev, simmonds, and turco. i also doubt that the kings give up simmonds anyway
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
so i guess we go back to the waiting game to see how this all shakes out. maybe tmrw we will get our questions answered and can end the speculation. I feel like we now have more questions than we did yesterday and we still have plenty from yesterday (gagne trade situation, goalie position, wings, lineup, cap situation)
by historywillbemade on Jul 7, 2010 7:50 PM EDT reply actions
I think there's a contract now worse than Shelley's
D BRETT LEBDA (TOR)
LENGTH: 2 YEARS VALUE: $2,900,000
Huh?
It's the exact opposite, it's pretty darn good.
Lebda is a very underrated defensemen in my mind. He has played in the biggest stages, and he is a significant improvement over Finger who makes $3.5mil per year. For $1.45 per for Lebda, the Leafs can waive Finger and his horrible contract, and save $2mil per year while dressing a better defensemen.
I hope you realize it’s only a $1.45 mil cap hit per year (and the $2.9 in the total). And that’s not a bad price to pay your 3rd pairing guy at all. The Leafs are building one of the better D’s in the league if Schenn finds his game again.
If this allows the Leafs to get rid of Finger, it might be one of the best signings this off season.
I got it (not a pipe-dream)
Here is an realistic option for the Zherdev Gagne issue.
Zherdev at say 3 million (hopefully an over estimate)
Gagne and Carcillo to Tampa Bay for Downie and our 2nd rounder back from the Mezaros trade.
Carter might fit better with the LW wing with his right handed shot. He comes of that wall all the time on the PP.
Turco at 2 million.
Boucher gets fucked anyway you swing it.
Sign Downie at 2million hoepfully another over-estimation as well, we can forward the bonus money if we need to next year to move guys around in case of injury.
FORWARDS
Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Jeff Carter ($5.000m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / * Nicholia Zherdev ($3.000m) / * Steve Downie ($2.000m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Ian Laperriere ($1.167m) / Jody Shelley ($1.100m)
Claude Giroux ($0.822m) / Ville Leino ($0.800m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.438m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Sean O’Donnell ($1.300m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
GOALTENDERS
- Marty Turco ($2.000m) / Michael Leighton ($1.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 21; CAP: $59.4m; PAYROLL: $60.035m; BONUSES: $0.938m; CAP ROOM: $0.303m
What do you guys think?
Lines
Carter-Richards-Zherdev
Hartnell-Briere-Leino
JVR-Giroux-Downie
Shelly-Betts-Lappy
Im fine with leights starting if that means gagne stays, also i doubt they would bring downie back but G definitely needs a more capable right winger.
by samuelbarber on Jul 8, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Downie
Try and also remember that Richie and Carter…hate Downie. And by hate I mean HATE. Richie never took well to his antics. Though I do like you idea. Gagne isnt getting Simmonds from LA either sadly…maybe a 2nd rounder. Just my thoughts.
fuck steve downie. do not want him back ever. Ill gladly take my chances with Powe on the third line
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 8, 2010 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Carle for Donie Syndrome was such a great move
Id hate to have that pud back on the team
bread. butter. cheese. VICTORY!
by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
why would we want Downie back? that guy is downright dangerous player and takes terrible penalties but I guess if we trade Carbomb we need someone to be the resident idiot (b/c Hartnell obviously doesn’t have that covered already)…/s
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Pro's and Con's
1. Carter on the wing. No problem with Carter playing either wing. To me, that is what his game is suited for (other than his success in the face off circle last year). I just don’t know what the Flyers think right now. Also, I wouldn’t equate to him coming off the half wall on the PP to him being an effective winger, but that’s his issue whether he plays right or left, so it doesn’t really matter, but to me, that’s where he has to get better (creating space for himself with out the puck) if he is going to be successful on the wing. But I agree, the wing is where I want him.
2. Downie. Frankly we could do worse, but we could also do better. If they are getting rid of Carbomb, why replace him with another mentally unstable player. I’d really rather not have an assistant coach dedicated to calming players down on the bench any more. I just think this is our chance to get away from crazy players. But again, we could do worse. I just don’t think he’ll be as productive here on a 3rd line as he was in Tampa last year. I also don’t see him getting PP time here, and there goes his 7 goals he got last year in Tampa on the PP.
3. Cap room to carry a 13th forward. I’m hoping the over estimates for Zherdev and Downie would cover enough cap space to carry a 13th forward (Powe or Nodl) with the team in order to inject into the roster for matchup purposes. Against teams without tough guys, I’d rather be playing a guy like Powe in the lineup, who can step up on the PK if needed (in game injuries, tired forwards, etc). However, as the numbers are now, if any Flyer gets injured, it requires a call to the Phantoms. I’d like the luxury of carrying that 13th forward, especially when our fourth line currently has, well, a fighting specialist. I’m not saying Shelley can’t play, just be nice to have the luxury to have Powe in there when the other team does not have a big line up/tough guy on their roster.
4. Line adjustment. I don’t think Carter and Zherdev should play together. But this is just tinkering with lines based on my opinion of their games. I just don’t see their games being well matched to combine on one line. That’s a lot of shots being taken on one line, not a lot of distributing the puck. But again, just my opinion.
Downie is a dirty player I know but I think he is a guy you have to have especially going up against Pittsburg. They got Cooke and Kunitz who cross the line quite a bit and you have to have a guy who is willing to do that.
I followed Downie pretty closely once we drafted him and he has a ton of talent and flat out hates to lose. He was a stud at the WJC shutting down the the top US line winning two gold medals. A major complaint we had with this team was they took losing too lightly Downie doesn’t. Of course he goes overboard but so did Clarkie when it came to losing and I like that kind of attitude. As he gets older I imagine he would calm down and he is still very young. This move couple with Meszaros makes our team very young and formidable for a longer run. I also think Lavvy might be able to work with Downie more where Stevens had trouble discipling anyone.
Here is a great example of Downie hating to losing. He carried his Kitchener Rangers team in the Playoffs with an amazing 22 PTS in 9 GMS for a first round sweep. In the second round they ran into Plymouth the eventual champions. In game 5 down 3-1 in the series with the game out of hand Plymouth up 4-0 the series was over, Downie just lost it. If I am going down I going down with a fight and that is exactly what Downie did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ4RkHbMeqk
I think he is very impactful on the game much more so than Carcillo because he is more skilled offensively and slightly more crazy. Here is Downie fighting Big Buff after Buff ran at Stamkos. Downie is giving away tons of size to Buff and doesn’t back down he goes right after him. I really loved this kid and was sad to see him go. I think he defines hard to play against.
ugh. no steve downie. if richards and carter dont want him here, they’re not bring him here. and thank goodness for that.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 8, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Like I said, he isn't the worst option, but..
That first video is exactly the reason why I don’t want him here. Look, I know you like to talk about how hockey is a game for warriors etc, but some guys just lose control too often. I’m more sensitive to this b/c I was jumped in a pee wee game as a kid. It was a game the ref’s let get out of hand. I got jumped from behind, the kid popped my helmet off, then proceeded to smash my head in to the boards and ice. The ref’s were too busy with the other fights going on on the ice and trying to restrain the coaches and parents who had hopped on the ice to notice what had happened to me. A parent finally pulled the kid off of me. But when I see cheap shots like what Downie did in the first video, it makes me want to have nothing to do with a player. It isn’t part of the game, and it isn’t being a warrior, it’s being a scum bag.
All that aside, Downie is definitely an upgrade over Carcillo, I agree. I just rather not have a guy like him on the team. I think he has skills offensively for sure, but he won’t get to utilize them here on the PP like he did in Tampa. Again, I wouldn’t think it was a abd edition to the team at all, I’d just rather not have players like him on the Flyers. I understand why you like him, I just happen to not like him for the same reasons you like him.
This is a Colin Campbell policed league … The second Downie would pick up a pen to sign a contract with the Flyers he’d be suspended for 2 seasons and the Flyers would probably half to forfeit all the games before the All-Star break. I was shocked when the same thing didn’t happen when the Flyers traded for the skating elbow machine … i mean Pronger
Yup, throwing a temper tantrum and jumping a guy in a game that’s completely out of reach. That’s leadership!!!!!
If he hates losing so much, why didn’t he score any goals in that game? Cuz you know, scoring goals usually prevents you from losing. I’m not quite sure that you’re aware of that.
22 PTs in 9 GMs is nothing to shack a stick at, considering he was a mid season acquisition by Kitchener. I get why some people hate him but Clarkie, Tocchett and many other beloved Flyers of the past were the same way.
22 points in 9 games in juniors...
Is impressive, if he was still a prospect. But he isn’t a prospect anymore. I think it’s more important to view what he has done in the NHL thus far. And I think the biggest knock on his potential production coming here would be his minutes relative to what he had in Tampa last season when he was productive.
Again this is just me trying to project his success here on a 3rd line and limited to no ice time on the PP.
Zherdev
I don’t know too much about him beside what I read but he has a lot more assists than goals if you slot him as a 25 goals 40 assists guy I think he can play with Carter plus Carter and Richie will certainly 1) inspire him to backcheck, 2) help make up for his lack of defensive ability.
He is another guy that will shoot the puck over 200 times. His last to full season in the NHL he had 254 and 219 shots respectively. You can’t tell where assist come from unfortunately, I have a feeling a good chunk of those are off of rebounds. Just b/c you have more assist than goals doesn’t always make you a play maker. He definitely has passing abilities, but he’s more of a goal scorer to me. He just doesn’t seem like a good fit with Carter to me from watching them both play, but again, that’s just my opinion.
Just the thought of Carter and Zherdev being on the same line made that Lil Jon “Shots” song get stuck in my head.
SHOTS SHOTS, SHOTS SHOTS SHOTS, SHOTS SHOTS, SHOTS SHOTS SHOTS
EVERRRRRYBODY
Damnit.
hey you could always add JVR to that mix and have a JVR-Carter-Zherdev line and they just shot (and miss) or hit the goalie all day long and then fail at defense yay. I hope I never see those 3 on a line together. I’m fine with Zherdev if he is on a wing with any Center other than Carter
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Did he play alongside Nash if not he it wasn’t like he had much help on Columbus or the Rangers two teams with little skill up front. Playing alongside guys like Carter and Richie he might be willing to pass the puck then playing next to whoever he was with in NYR and CLB. Maybe…. anyway just a thought.
or we could just have Giroux pass to him and hopefully get JVR to channel his inner John LeClair. would work great
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
via Sarah Baicker
" the Flyers are close to signing Zherdev, reportedly for less than $3m a year. 2 minutes ago
(gagne on his nmc) looks like he’s saying he didn’t waive it, but will see what happens over the coming days. "
so Zherdev at less than $3 million is good and gagne actually didn’t waive his no trade clause yet
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 12:23 PM EDT reply actions
well Hamhuis at $5 million per would be a bad rumor to come true and would’ve screwed us up even more.
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 12:36 PM EDT reply actions
Carter
I just wanna trade Carter. He doesn’t play with enough heart and I’d much rather keep Gagne then him
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