Gagne says on French TV that he hasn't waived his no-trade clause
Click the image above to jump to video of Gagne's interview at RDS.ca.
According to the French-language, sometimes journalistically inaccurate RDS, Simon Gagne has not waived his no trade clause, as previously reported by local Philadelphia media. I don't speak much French, so I don't understand what Gagne is saying in the video above. I can, however, translate what's said on that graphic, and it says that Gagne hasn't waived any type of no trade clause.
Despite the reputation RDS has of reporting information that can be less than true, this is coming straight from Gagne himself. It doesn't get any more direct than that. At the same time, this doesn't necessarily mean that Gagne won't waive his no-trade. It just means he's yet to do so, potentially because the Flyers haven't come to him with a potential destination yet (although, that's just speculation on my part).
Who the hell knows what to think anymore?
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so again we are left clueless as to what Homer’s masterplan is
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 12:57 PM EDT reply actions
At least we are not the only ones
NYR haven’t herd the word “Master Plan” in Years
The Kings fans have it worse off with the flip flopping
Boston has far worse cap troubles
And so will NJ is they end up getting their wish
The penguins really need a winger but cant trade anyone
Montreal traded Halak who ended up signing for only 3.75 while Price hasnt signed re signed
Toronto makes 2 mistakes for every good one but they are so behind the 8 ball it dosent matter
The Sabers….well if they get Gagne, that could spell trouble
bread. butter. cheese. VICTORY!
Actually I think they have had a killer off season and i’m starting to just whistle in the dark hoping that their previous blunders or soon to be made blunder will keep them from becoming a real threat
bread. butter. cheese. VICTORY!
As much as I hate Toronto, I love Burke…so I would like him to be successful there (just not against the Flyers). After Burke responded to a question about the Pens rebuilding, with basically, they didn’t rebuild, they picked a ping bong ball out of a bucket (referring to Crosby), he has entered the stage of infallible to me.
Haha there’s also something about the aggressive way he builds teams with toughness and grit that makes me think he’s got a lot of Flyer inside him.
Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger;
Our team is so much stronger
We've got Briere, Betts and Pronger...
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 8, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
He did play a year with the Maine Mariners when they were still affiliated with the Flyers. Won a Calder Cup with them, actually.
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Kings should just trade for Gagne and give Kovie the finger (oh and give us Bernier or Simmonds) in the process
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
We sure he has a “master plan”?
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room."
by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Jul 8, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
you’d hope so. I am not even sure he is in control. From what I’ve read there are two separate factions with different ideas in the Flyer’s management
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Je ne comprends pas. Qu’est-ce qui se passe avec Homer et Le Flyers? Je suis si confuse.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
(Spoken in a Northeast Philly accent:)
Jay muppel Seemone Ganyay. Jay nai pah rehnawnsay la clawzay de nawn ishanj.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
little corrections: les Flyers (it’s plurial) and it’s confus if you’re a guy and confuse if you’re a girl.
Well, I’m a girl. Sorry about forgetting the les. It’s been a while and Spanish was my major, not French, so I’m rusty.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
Nope, I had to look up some words in my dictionary, because I was getting them confused for Spanish (too similar), but I know basic sentence construct. Verb conjugation gets me still. I only had one year of French.
Russian was my minor in college and if you want to talk about a bear of a language…I mean, it’s not Chinese…but whoo, boy.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
All french speaking people are girls.
by bfrank27 on Jul 8, 2010 2:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Might be a question of semantics. He may have just given the team a list of teams he’d be willing to waive his NTC for if a trade was set up.
I agree with this. Pending a legitimate deal to a city he would agree to move to is a far cry from having the clause completely removed from the contract legally. Gagne has been and seems like a stand up guy, so if Holmgren asked him about it I am sure he said he would do whatever would be best for the team.
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I would love to see Gagne stay.
Homer is performing the ultimate mind-f*ck.
Philadelphia Flyers/Columbus Blue Jackets...don't ask me how.
If it was up to me, I'd free Charles Manson... -MRH
I’m starting to think the same thing.
It’s pretty simple: either Gagne hasn’t waived his clause, or he has and is engaging in subterfuge. Since I can’t see any real sense in the second option, it’s more likely the first.
I guess we’ll find out soon.
#1 Flyers fan in England (originally from Southeastern PA)
by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 8, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
translation
asking my girlfriend for an accurate English transcription of the interview… he uses a lot of and this and that and seems awkward or uncomfortable about the subject… translation coming up
I could do it if I have a transcript of the interview … those francophone bastards speak too damn fast and mumble. >.>
I love you bastards, I miss traveling to Quebec. I used to be up there once a month for about 2 year stretch
Seconded. I’m practically counting the minutes until my next trip to Montreal in 6 weeks.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 8, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
then don’t mumble :(
I had dinner last night with my friend and her husband who is Parisiens … his English is even hard to understand because he mumbles so badly. … although I did learn that if you write in all capital letters you never have to worry about accents on your letters … where was this information in French class …
He said that he didn’t remove his no-trade clause. He said the Flyers don’t have much spaces and we’ll see what happen with him in a couple of days.
This is the translation from a Bill Meltzer thread:
Gagné says he still has a NTC and hasn’t lifted it. He knows the Flyers have problems getting under the cap and he may be targeted as he will play his last contract year. He ended saying the next days will determine what will happen.
so Im translating that as
“Homer I told you I would lift my NTC but id you think you can dump me to the Islanders you in for a big surprise. Im either going to a contender or Im staying here!”
bread. butter. cheese. VICTORY!
I’m translating it as “If a trade happens, it happens. That’s out of my control. But in the meantime, I’m here, and I won’t voice any displeasure about the situation publicly.”
Sooo…this is just another piece of the puzzle that tells us nothing.
i ended up watching all the other french videos about the flyers. about ten minutes later i realized what i was doing and that i couldn’t speak french
It’s an elaborate diversion to cover Homer’s real intention of going after Kovie for $10mil/yr and sending us into cap hell.
by Giroux-ling for Cheese on Jul 8, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions
i wouldn’t put it past homer at this point. my question is what is taking him so long to pull the trigger. Are we stuck waiting until the Kovie saga ends?
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Sending us into cap hell? Frack, we have permanent residence there.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
Does Cap Hell have anything similar to Hilton reward program, HHonors, that the Flyers can take advantage of?
So, once we have x number of points, we can use them for trade or to get an additional draft pick? What’s the theoretical points system?
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
The Saga of the Simon Gagne No-Movement-Clause-Waiving (reposted from other thread)
(Sorry, you started this thread after I was already constructing this; I’m pointing that post to this thread).
Homer to Gagne: Simon, I don’t really plan on doing this, but considering our cap position and all the guys you know on that team’s management, would you ever consider waiving your NMC to go to the Kings?
Simon: Homer, ees deeficult. But sure, I would consider.
Homer: Thanks. (Goes into meeting with all Flyers office employees).
Homer: Well, I just talked to Gagne. I’m nervous about the cap, but Simon says he might waive his NMC if we needed him to.
(Alternate universe conspiracy theorist version: Homer goes into meeting, calls aside an intern and orders the intern to do the following).
After meeting, intern calls reporter: Yo, Tim, Simon has agreed to waive his NMC.
Reporter tweets: It’s official, Flyers brass say Gagne has waived his NMC.
BSH reaction: Angst, sturm, drang, suicidal thoughts mixed in with capgeek
RDS calls Simon and asks if NMC is waived, Simon says: NON!
Reporter tweets (misinterpreting "non" in French for "non" in English): Gagne never had NMC
Press conference where Carter trade is announced, Homer answers question whether trade rumor about Gagne was ever true: I have no idea how that started, such a thing never started with someone in the Flyers office
(Alternate universe conspiracy theorist version, Homer crosses fingers behind self as he says the previous sentence, and thinks: Of course it didn’t start with anyone here, I fired that intern last week).
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
by Bud in TN on Jul 8, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
(Sigh)
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Apparently Gagne’s a leap year baby. You learn the weirdest things from Twitter. So that makes Gagne the youngest player on the team by a lot haha
i don’t think I ever played hockey before I was 7
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s so strange to realize Gagne is only 30. He has been playing on the Flyers for 11 years.
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m older than most of the team, and that includes Chris Pronger. And the new old guy we just picked up, O’Donnell.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
you guys are making me feel young. I am 6 months younger than Mike Richards. I always feel old when I see guys my age doing incredible things in the NHL, but then I realize that man those guys are young
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
What upsets me is when I realize that I am much, much closer in age to Peter Laviolette than I am to (most of the) players. Only Pronger, Briere, Lappy, O’Donnell are really within my range.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
I am a couple of years behind you. The closest player to me age-wise is Timonen. I am one year and one month younger than he.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I thought I was one of the older folks on here, well I guess I still am compared to many. I’m about the same age is Bouch. Which makes most of the team much younger than me.
Well, I’m younger than….
Er, can we re-sign Homer? Clarke? maybe Gordie Howe?
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
I’m between Krajicek and Leino for age, and once I get back in shape (messed my knee up, and the enforced rest has made my weight go up), I’ll be about Briere’s size.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
I’m Gionta size and play goalie. even if I was good enough, I doubt i’d ever make nhl
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I am exactly 6 months younger than jeff carter.
by bfrank27 on Jul 8, 2010 2:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No but he plays on the same team as one
by bfrank27 on Jul 8, 2010 2:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So we’re looking at trading away a seven year old top line winger….great.
Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger;
Our team is so much stronger
We've got Briere, Betts and Pronger...
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 8, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
you know what the sad part of this article is? the lack of Simon’s playoff beard. Man that thing was awesome
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 2:45 PM EDT reply actions
Feche la vache
*cow comes flying over the ramparts burying the poor intern that Holmgren had banging his coconuts together
Managing Editor - HockeyOutsiders.com
Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.
I think I figured out this being a GM thing … just go up to Kovalchuk and keep saying NI NI! Until he signs for league minimum … BRILLIANT!
there is only one small problem...
We are now no longer the GMs who say ni. We are now the GMs who say ecky ecky ecky pikang zoom poing.
by bfrank27 on Jul 8, 2010 3:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also were not a guinness commercial.
by bfrank27 on Jul 8, 2010 3:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Now, Lancelot, Galahad and I wait until nightfall and then jump out of the rabbit, taking them completely by surprise!
Who jumps out of the rabbit?
Lancelot, Galahad and I….jump…out..of..the..rabbit…
"Chris Pronger sneaked in the back door...banged it home."
Flyers Television Play-by-Play Man: Jim Jackson
Article about Zherdev and the Flyers. Won’t make you happy to see him in Orange and Black.
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 2:59 PM EDT reply actions
The guys over at Blueshirt Banter make good points on both sides of the argument, but I think they are right that he could be really good for us
bread. butter. cheese. VICTORY!
I have to respectfully disagree with this whole article. He/she mentions the Gagne trade, which may not even be happening. (I still see Carter going, IMO)
Also, I can not see in any way how the MULTIPLE “old” players on this roster would let him screw around. Names like Pronger, O’Donnell, Lappy and so on will not put up with it and if he continues to be a fool, he will be run out of town regardless of how many goals he is scoring. IMO the whole reason those players were brought in was to control the “kids” on this team and not let the things of the past come up again. Although the things of the past were partying, I will bet everything in my life that Prongs or Lappy or someone would give him an ear full if he isn’t working at his full potential.
"Chris Pronger sneaked in the back door...banged it home."
Flyers Television Play-by-Play Man: Jim Jackson
I see it as a high risk/ high reward gamble that hopefully won’t cost more than $3 million a year. We need a winger to play with Giroux and JVR and this solves that problem, but it still leaves us with another huge problem…you know the one that cost us game 6 of scf
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Update time via Pierre Lebrun:
" But Gagne hinted that because of Flyers’ cap issues, he may still be on the way out at some point 44 minutes ago via web
" In other Flyers news, Simon Gagne on French sports network RDS told media that he has, in fact, NOT waived his no-trade clause… about 1 hour ago via web
“Once paperwork is finalized either today or tomorrow, Zherdev will sign a one-year deal with the Flyers about 1 hour ago via web
“Holdup on Zherdev deal in Philly we’re told is that paperwork still being processed as NHL rubber-stamps player transfer from KHL… "
So we have a term one-year and rumored cost less than $3 million
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 3:28 PM EDT reply actions
I hope he can be less than 3 million…. fingers crossed it may even be closer to 2 million. And a 1 year deal is good, so if he does well we can re-sign him and if he doesn’t he’s out.
#1 Flyers Fan in New York
so this looks like an Emery type deal…low risk/high reward, if not he’s gone in a year. ok gamble
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It will be tricky to re sign Zherdev
We have too many to re sign at the end of next season.
Thats why Gagne is on the block. He is a UFA and we wont be able to afford him
Carter becomes an RFA
Leino becomes a UFA
And Cote becomes a ….why the hell is he still on the team, UFA
O’Donnel becomes a UFA
Boosh becomes a UFA
But having him for a year could be fantastic and you never know what the team will look like in 3 weeks much less 11 months from now
bread. butter. cheese. VICTORY!
Losing him isn’t even a choice though ;-)
Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger;
Our team is so much stronger
We've got Briere, Betts and Pronger...
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 8, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I am not saying we have to resign him, I’m just saying that if he does well we have that option, but you’re right, who knows what the team will look like come next offseason.
I am kind of already dreading next offseason due to players coming up on ends of contracts and people needing raises (Giroux and Leino). Gagne may take a discount. Carter will be too pricey if we keep him, but who knows maybe the cap will go up a lot? But next offseason is the time to worry about it. Maybe Homer can sign some great cap-friendly extensions for some during the season.
Just I’m wondering how this team will look when preseason starts… I don’t want to wait any longer!
#1 Flyers Fan in New York
The most important question...
What the hell is a “No-Trade Clause” anyway? I’ve never heard of anything like that in my life. Do the Flyers have any of those?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Sources told CSNPhilly.com last week that Gagne had agreed to waive his no-trade clause only for certain teams
Its poor reporting when all the writers decided to omit the cretin teams when they 1st reported this story!
bread. butter. cheese. VICTORY!
That is what I figured was true when he said he didn’t waive it yet. Makes sense since if he just waived it he would be subject to move anywhere. So probably when they met last week Gagne was asked which teams if any he’d like to be traded to and the Flyers have since tried to work out a deal with those teams.
omit the cretin teams
What do you have against cretins? 1, 2, 3, 4, cretins wanna hop some more.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
What about a goalie?
From the sounds of things, the Kings aren’t willing to give up either of their young goalies. Why not give Theodore a try for a season? He had great stats last year, and got pulled from the playoffs unfairly early in my opinion. He had nobody playing defense in front of him. I think he’d really excel with our top 6 in front of him and I’d rather have him than Turco. Plus, he’d probably come cheap.
no theodore. dont like him at all. much prefer turco
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 8, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t like either, but Turco is marginally less bad.
#1 Flyers fan in England (originally from Southeastern PA)
by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 9, 2010 5:38 AM EDT up reply actions
turco will come just as cheap, he has no other options
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 8, 2010 5:23 PM EDT reply actions
but do we have the cap space for him? We really need to see Zherdev’s cap hit to see if it’s possible. The only way we have money for a goalie after making the necessary moves (trading gagne, waiving boosh & cote) is to walk away from Powe/ Carcillo. Can we even do that? Could we rescind an offer made to a RFA or maybe we can package one of them with Gagne
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
from what I heard, the Zherdev contract is going to be less than $2 mil. Right now, the Flyers are only over the cap by about $800k-$1.1 mil. If we trade Gagne or Carter, that frees up between $5-$5.25 million right there. Powe will resign for less than a mil, and Carcillo is looking for around 1.5. That still leaves about $2 million and I think Theodore could be had for that price or less with an incentive laden contract.
2010-11 Philadelphia Flyers
PLAYER BONUS CAP HIT
FORWARDS
Daniel Briere — $6,500,000
Mike Richards — $5,750,000
Jeff Carter — $5,000,000
Scott Hartnell — $4,200,000
- Nikalai Zherdev — $3,000,000
James Van Riemsdyk ($637,500) $1,654,167 - Daniel Carcillo — $1,200,000
Ian Laperriere — $1,166,667
Jody Shelley — $1,100,000
Claude Giroux — $821,667
Ville Leino — $800,000 - Darroll Powe — $700,000
Blair Betts — $700,000
Riley Cote — $550,000
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen — $6,333,333
Chris Pronger — $4,921,429
Andrej Meszaros — $4,000,000
Matt Carle — $3,437,500
Braydon Coburn — $3,200,000
Sean O’Donnell ($300,000) $1,300,000
Oskars Bartulis — $600,000
GOALTENDERS
Michael Leighton — $1,550,000 - Marty Turco — $1,500,000
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER SIZE 23
SALARY CAP $59,400,000
PAYROLL $59,984,762
BONUSES $937,500
CAP SPACE $352,738
In this scenario I have flyers waiving Boosh & Cote, trading Gagne, giving Carcillo 1.2 million, Zherdev $3, Turco/Theodore 1.5 million, and Powe 700k. close to the cap but under
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 5:39 PM EDT reply actions
whoops i missed taking Cote out so add another 550 in cap space or replace it with another small contract
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like Flyers are waiting to announce Zherdev until Gagne gets moved…
Chris Pronger stole my last signature.
And the confusion continues . . .
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 8, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like a Gags trade could be imminent (well, relatively anyways) – Darren Dreger just tweeted that Flyers may be waiting on announcing Zherdev signing until Gags is moved – guess it depends on how much money Zherdev would make and whether that would put them over the 10% overage on the cap – hope that they don’t completely undersell Gags (a la Roenick when everyone knew they needed to get under the cap)
but everyone has to know by now that we are signing Zherdev so what is the point in waiting to announce it. other gms probably know what flyers are looking to do so just announce the deal
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
All true, but I’m hoping there will be a better market such that they could play some teams off of each other. They’ll never get full value – i wholly agree – but they can hopefully do better than a 4th or whatever it was for JR
you could add at least 6M in contracts before truly worrying about getting close to the 10% over limit.
bread. butter. cheese. VICTORY!
do they have $6 million in contracts lined up and ready to sign?
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
This would officially make it a Gagne for Zherdev trade. OK, hands raised…how many of you would have made that trade six days ago?
/crickets
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Would someone please explain to me why the Flyers want Zherdev so bad? I get why trading Gagne might make sense for now and the future given Flyers cap issues over the next xeveral years, but you are essentially trading one guy for the other and that is a poor trade.
"You ever use smelling salts, every time you type a bad blog?" Brooks Laich
I look at this as another Emery move. You’ll get a player who is accused of being a head case for a year somewhat below market value whom you know can play at the NHL level, and assuming his mind is in the right place and he produces (and doesn’t have a career ending injury/disease), you can add to your core for the next several years. I don’t think going after Zherdev is a terrible move, since the Flyers do have top-6 depth on the left going forward (JVR and Hartnell) but no natural top-6 right wingers. Trading or waiving Gagne at this point is stupid, but let’s not kid ourselves — unless Gagne would take a new contract at or below Hartnell’s cap hit ($4.2 million), he was likely gone after ‘10-11 anyway, because JVR won’t be a third line winger forever.
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it’s not just gagne for zherdev (rumored less than 3 million, one year deal). it’s gagne for zherdev, carcillo, and powe. I’d hope that they trade (not waive) gagne and get picks and/or prospects in return as well and maybe,…just maybe get another goalie
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Given my disdain for Zherdev & Carcillo, I wouldn’t be in any hurry to sign either. If its to make space for a decent goalie then it makes more sense to me.
Speaking of Powe, any thoughts on his development? I haven’t followed him like I did JVR.
"You ever use smelling salts, every time you type a bad blog?" Brooks Laich
He is what he is, and that’s a rugged fourth liner who has brick hands and can be a significant contributor to your penalty kill. Maybe if you shake up your lines you try him on a top-line for a little bit to see if he can provide a physical presence.
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Ok, then I really don’t get these moves from a hockey standpoint. You are freeing up room to sign 3 guys who aren’t difference makers at all.
"You ever use smelling salts, every time you type a bad blog?" Brooks Laich
Basically.
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yes, and they are going to need Gagne’s money to resign Carter
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 9, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
So we trade
Gagne for Powe, Carcillo and Zherdev.
We lose the best player. Not much potential coming back the other way. We lose the trade.
Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger;
Our team is so much stronger
We've got Briere, Betts and Pronger...
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 8, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
what if we get a goalie out of it? send gagne to La for Quick or Bernier (not gonna happen) or sign Turco/ Theo with left over cash if we have any
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t personally rate Turco or Theo that highly. That is, I don’t rate them highly enough to justify losing Gagne. I don’t really want Leighton to be our starter and have expressed that. But I’m not entirely happy with either of those two either, knowing that we don’t have many options left. But that’s just me. If we can get Quick or Bernier in return I would be satisfied and just hope whichever one we get pans out into a perennial all star.
Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger;
Our team is so much stronger
We've got Briere, Betts and Pronger...
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 8, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
And the bombshell du jour......
Some NHL execs think Philly will place Gagne on waivers, if a trade isn’t found very soon.
Chris Pronger stole my last signature.
Well in the first tweet above, Dreger did use the word “move” and not “trade,” perhaps hinting at this before spouting this out minutes later.
Simon Gagne has a NTC, not an NMC. The Flyers can do this, if they can’t find a trading partner.
Chris Pronger stole my last signature.
there’s gotta be somebody out there that would give us something for gagne
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
any NHL exec thinking we are going to put Gagne on wavers right now is dreaming
possibly at training camp but we would definitely find draft pics before then
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If he goes to waivers anyone can get him,
So the teams that really want him will pony up something soon
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maybe a smoke screen to get gms to pony up now
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
WHY would you waive him? This is mindless dribble and/or ignorant hoping by those “NHL execs”.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 8, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe the Flyers are that desperate to clear cap space?
I’m not saying I agree, I am just suggesting that as a possible reason to why they would waive him.
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only 1 situation I can think of
If Gagne said he would ONLY be traded to the kings
The Kings feel they have total control of the situation
Then we call both their bluffs at the same time
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Ignoring the fact that the team can go over the cap and they shouldn’t be desperate to clear cap space any time soon, why would you waive HIM? You don’t waive a guy you’re supposedly shopping actively.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 8, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
unless flyers will announce two contracts instead of one (think Turco) but that still doesn’t make sense as they could make someone like Turco wait longer to give him a deal as it will further drive down his price
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
unless those NHL execs are Flyers execs trying to drive up last minute trade negotiations. waivers makes no sense for Gagne b/c you can still get something for him and aren’t required to dump him. the only way gagne goes of waivers is if they don’t have a trade ready by camp
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Threatening to take nothing in return doesn’t drive up negotiations. It kills them.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 8, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I want a press conference. I want Carchidi asking Homer to confirm reports that Gagne will be waived. I want fireballs to shoot out Homer’s eyes.
Man, it was so hard for me to avoid typing a Carchidi joke here…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 8, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
how does waiver claim process work again? doesn’t it go by draft order or something like that? there’d definitely be multiple teams that might try to claim him and if a team really wants him, they might do something to try to get him before that happens
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure how it works in the off-season, actually.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 8, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Poor guy would end up in Edmonton.
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that’s a terrible way to say goodbye to some one like Gagne, who has given so much for this team and organization
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
For who? Are we trying to convince Gagne that he should waive his NTC? I thought we were trying to find a trading partner…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 8, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Should this remarkable thing happen, I guess it would mean the Flyers weren’t able find a trading partner Gagne would go to, since obviously with a NTC you don’t need a player’s permission to put him on waivers…
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that’s still a shitty idea. I’m sure if the Kings really want a LW and Kovy continues dicking around that they’d go after gagne
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
That the Philadelphia front office is so in love with Jeff Carter that they may be considering waiving Simon Gagne over trading him is…unbelievable.
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if Homer waives Gagne, I’m going to kill him. atleast get something in return and find a team that Gagne might want to play on
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
If we also waive Richards, Hartnell and Briere we can get other players to replace them for real cheep.
Then we can get Turco and still be under the cap!
Problem solved
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i am really hoping that these reports are wrong, if not then Homer lost it
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Briere has a NMC. I believe you need his permission to waive him. So they’ll simply have to waive Pronger and JVR instead.
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so if Briere has a NMC and need permission to waive him, wouldn’t you need Gagne to do the same and if so no way Gagne does it, unless gagne’s ntc is different then briere’s nmc
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Teams don’t need to get permission to place a player with a NTC on waivers (nor do they need permission to send that player to the minors should they clear waivers). With a NMC, a team needs permission to do anything with regard to the player with the exception of buying them out. That you can do with any player with a NTC or NMC.
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ah ok that explains difference b/w ntc and nmc. still I think this is stupid, unless they are signing Zherdev to a ridiculous amount there is no need to act so rashly as to put gagne on waivers. I am sure that by training camp they could find a suitor. hell once kovie signs somewhere it would be rather simple
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
unless they sign another UFA winger and a goalie like right away,
Gagne waived Flyers signed Turco, Zherdev and Ponikarovsky for example that is a lot in return for waiving Gagne.
even then they need to waive boosh, cote, and some how found a way out of resigning powe and carcillo
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you actually saying that Gagne being waived is an OK idea?
I seriously hope not.
Roster player + prospect: good.
Package of picks and prospects: OK, maybe good if we manage to get a bit more than par
Nothing: bad. Very bad.
Seriously, I, and most people here, love the Flyers with a passion. But if they waived their no. 1 winger to sign free agents. Who are free for a reason, because on July 1 when you have 10 million dollars in cap space you can sign them. That would be inexcusably, unbelievably, stupidly, stupid beyond stupid. And would make it seriously hard for me to avoid being a bit disgusted by the way this team is run.
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 8, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Gagne being waived is a totally bogus idea and I think that’s classless to do. First he’s been with us for 11 years and is a fan favorite. You waive him and you piss off the fan base, you also pretty much give him the finger getting rid of him that way. Send him somewhere he wants to go and give him the respect he deserves.
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I agree that is classless but if you can’t trade him you have to waive him because if you can get 2 wingers and a goalie to fit under the cap with his number gone the teams is better much better and that is what matters in the end, making the team better. In a salary cap world you have to be cold and not so loyal and make hard decisions, like in the NFL.
but someone has to want gagne. there’s gotta be a trade partner out there and you have to get something for him, even if it turns out to be a bad trade. maybe homer’s trade demands are too high?
by historywillbemade on Jul 9, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
The difference between the NHL and NFL is the fact that the NFL doesn’t guarantee contracts. If you are dropped in the NFL you are cut off cold. In the NHL you would still have to pay the person their contract and have it count against the cap to boot.
There is also the possibility that he won’t be moved, but there should be someone out there who would take him. It is just a matter of if he would waive the no trade to that team
End of training camp.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 8, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
not that I believe any of this crap but here’s what eklund has heard rumorwise about the flyers:
“* All this while a few rumors are surfacing that Kovalchuk may indeed take a one year deal in Detroit or Philly.
- If no Kovalchuk, the Flyers do indeed appear very close to signing Nik Zherdev. It is an interesting choice on quite a few levels. Do the Flyers need another young, skilled forward? Especially one who has a track record of not being a good team guy? And is this player really why they asked Gagne to waive his NTC? Today there are reports Gagne may not waive his NTC. I would expect Simon to only agree to go to a few places. The Flyers asking an icon to waive his NTC to take a chance on Zherdev….not so sure how you Flyers fans feel about this… It’s one thing if you are bringing in a proven Bobby Ryan or a Vezina winning goalie in Tim Thomas. There must be more to this story…I will reserve judgement…
- Don’t count Jose Theodore out of the running for Philadelphia.
- I still feel strongly that Paul Kariya is destined to be a Penguin, while I can see Billy Guerin going to NJ or Philadelphia. Yes Philadelphia…"
So according to Eklund Flyers wanted Kovie to pull a Hossa, are after Theodore, and might go for Guerin
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 6:19 PM EDT reply actions
doubtful, more years on his contract than gagne, less of a cap hit (not enough to cover w/e they do with extra cash), might be harder to trade, was great in playoffs with briere & leino, and provides something no other flyer provides (net presence). hartnell is staying put
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Gagne better than Hartnell… YES
Does Hartnell provide a net presence…. in theory we all keep saying it but NO
I keep the better player.
Gagne comes off the books next year helping next years cap situation. Hartnell might be easier to trade because he is younger and more durable.
His net presence is diving into the net and taking the goalie out with him
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And going to the box for 2 minutes and 2 minute unsportsmanlike falls coming out of the box then falls in the corner than back into the box for a 2 min slash.
My play by play of the Hartnell ISO Cam.
My favorite Hartnell ISO Cam moment
is when he is tired and back checks well behind the play
He gets angry ,out of breath and then always elbows a guy out of frustration.
Thank god he never gets call for it. He then glides over to the bench to rest.
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The #Flyers today disagreed with a Quebec TV station that said Gagne did not agree to waive no-trade clause.
What, did the Flyers send out a press release, Carchidi? It was an interview with the man himself, not just some report. How hard is it to figure that out?
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He’s gone rouge? Or rogue? Rouge sounds funnier. Sorry, it’s the little things that amuse me.
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gagne isn’t getting traded to the blanc-bleu-rouge??? but he was a nordiques fan. he’d never approve of playing for the habs
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Lest anyone forget, Gagne was a VERY valuable player in playoffs against Boston and Montreal. #Flyers
So which side is Carchidi on? The side where he believes Gagne was asked to waive his NTC, or the side where he believes the Flyers won’t trade him because he’s too valuable to the team?
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Carchidi’s next article. Richards to blame for the Flyers Cap Troubles Demands Gagne Traded.
by chrislanci on Jul 8, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
haha, very nice. +1
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 8, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
How close are these reporters to the Flyers? Should they know exactly what is going on, or do they report from sources close to the organisation?
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Carchidi was in Ocean City on July 1st walking on the beach. He gets his Flyers info from Aquaman.
by chrislanci on Jul 8, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
does any one but homer know wtf is going on right now? this is madness…think about it the Flyers supposedly offered Kovy a $7 million one year deal and now might put gagne on waivers and sign Zherdev
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
does any onebut, including homer know wtf is going on right now?
Fixed.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 8, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Panotch knows people inside and outside the organization. When he quotes sources, I consider it to be fact. SanFilippo isn’t always first to get scoops or anything, but when he quotes sources, I trust them to be legitimate sources. Seravalli seems to only have sources on the periphery of the organization, because what he quotes from sources generally has the right idea, but not the right details — or are just wrong altogether (see the Marty Turco situation; Turco himself said the Flyers made him an offer, Seravalli vehemently denied based on his sources). I’m pretty sure Chris is right that Carchidi has that manatee tank from South Park filled with “idea balls,” and whichever “idea balls” the manatees pick up, Carchidi runs with.
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so until we hear from Panotch about waiving gagne, we should consider it useless speculation
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s about how I’m looking at this.
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from Panotch
Another 4th july shot to hell. Gagne agrees to waive NTC. Kings r target.
4:30 AM Jul 3rd via web
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Right, he says Gagne will agree to waive his NTC, but as we know has said nothing about the Flyers considering waiving him.
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Yup
the only one I herd bring up Gagne going on waivers was DarrenDreger from TSN
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and even dreger said that was he said that some nhl execs think flyers will do that
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps they are NHL executives trying to drive down the price of Gagne by getting it into people’s minds that the Flyers are considering waiving Gagne…
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They’re probably Oiler execs.
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 8, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
And like a good hockey reporter the week after July 1st is a good time for a vacation that is exactly were Tpanotch is right now I believe far away from all this crazy talk.
Is Bob McKenzie on vacation too? Haven’t heard anything from him recently.
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 8, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
He is, yeah.
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Ok that helps. Who have we heard from about Gags waiving his NTC then? Just Carchidi?
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Panotch and SanFilippo, among others, confirmed that Gagne was asked to waive his NTC and agreed or said he would agree. I think Gagne said what he said because he hasn’t officially waived it, since there was no deal to waive it for. Either that, or he’s just being polite. I could believe either one, honestly. Gagne’s a good guy — if the organization asked him not to discuss it publicly, he won’t discuss it publicly.
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sad part is that we are likely left to speculate aimlessly for another few days
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Curiously, my comedy scenario above took all this into consideration (including the Panotch twitter) .
It is hopefully all comedy and not tragedy (= Gagne on waivers).
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maybe the flyers are trying to telling teams that gagne will waive it and that he is available?
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
@allthingsphilly The Flyers say he is misinformed.
How in the world could Gagne be misinformed? And where do the Flyers say this? I’m pretty sure the only thing the Flyers (meaning Homer) have officially said about Gagne is “no comment”.
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Errr…..
Isn’t there some sort of legal action he could take if the Flyers subverted him into waiving his NTC without his knowledge?
Homer: “err, Simon, if you could just sign this letter here”
Gags: “what ees thees?”
Homer: “oh…it’s just about (mumbles)…the usual…(mumbles)…cap hell…”
Gags: “err…whatever you say”
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 8, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m assuming it goes into contract law and would classify as either a breach or an unenforceable waiver of the NTC.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 8, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Gagne for Jon Quick is the current rumor. Also heard simon gagne for kaberle…staying on this.
HAHA. HAHAHA.
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Wow, I think he’s more of an idiot than Carchidi.
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Eklund is stupid. kabarle makes no sense whatsoever as he is defense, makes $4.2 million next year, which wouldn’t fit in with zherdev signing. the only way kabarle is involved in gagne trade is if it is a 3 team trade in which between la (rumored to be after kabarle)- philly- and toronto
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
so maybe kabarle to kings, gagne to toronto, quick to philly…lol
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
via sbaicker "@BroadStBull is it possible this whole “did he/didn’t he” waive mess is purely an issue of semantics? "
finally some sense on twitter
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 7:23 PM EDT reply actions
One way it could make sense is if he agreed to waive it for certain teams. So, yes, he did waive it (for those teams), but no, he didn’t waive it (in general).
Honor is no substitute for victory.
he agreed that he will waive it but hasn’t waived it bc no deal is in place
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
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Yes, I was being serious. “Serena is the best in the world and to go up against her is truly an honour,” Hartnell said.
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Serena Williams is a more physical presence at the net than Hartnell, so maybe it’s cross-training for Harts
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by ToddtheFox on Jul 8, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha this made me laugh.
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 8, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, the only thing we need now is for the eklund rumor to come true and find out that the flyers traded gagne for kabarle. we finally get kabarle…10 years later when we don’t want him
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
How does this work?
I apologize for not understanding this but maybe someone can help?
If the Flyers place Gagne on waivers, does that mean they get cap relief for his salary?
I think I read somewhere that being on waivers lasts two days and after that that your team can send you down to the minors. Is that right?
This seems so nuts to me and so unfair.
What is the advantage here? What am I missing?
I was glad earlier today hearing about Gagne’s interview because I figured that at least if he did wind up waiving his NTC it would be on his terms to a place he wanted to go to. But this is just such an insult.
I was reading up on Bill Guerin, because I heard him mentioned in connection with something and WIkipedia says: “After much vocal encouragement for his return from the crowd and teammates at Pittsburgh’s Stanley Cup parade on June 15, as well as expressing his own affection for the city and team, Guerin signed a one-year contract extension with the Penguins on June 29 at a greatly reduced salary, to play through the 2009–10 season.”
Now that would be a great next year for us, wouldn’t it? A cup with honor.
If the Flyers place Gagne on waivers, does that mean they get cap relief for his salary?
Yes.
I think I read somewhere that being on waivers lasts two days and after that that your team can send you down to the minors. Is that right?
Depends on the day of the week, I think, but it’s 24 or 48 hours, yes (like if you waive someone on Saturday, he’s available until that Monday, but otherwise I think it’s from noon on the day you waive him until the noon the following day).
This seems so nuts to me and so unfair.
Yes.
What is the advantage here?
If the Flyers are truly considering this — and we don’t know that yet — it means the Flyers can’t find a trading partner who Gagne will waive his NTC for. This way the Flyers can get his salary off the cap without his approval, but they obviously won’t get anything in return.
What am I missing?
Nothing, unfortunately.
Now [Guerin] would be a great next year for us, wouldn’t it?
Zherdev is likely taking the spot that Guerin would.
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Depends on the day of the week, I think, but it’s 24 or 48 hours, yes (like if you waive someone on Saturday, he’s available until that Monday, but otherwise I think it’s from noon on the day you waive him until the noon the following day).
You’re correct. To give just a bit more detail, waivers are processed at noon each day. If it’s processed during a weekday, they’re valid for 24 hours (i.e. the player clears waivers noon the next day). If the waiver is processed on Saturday or Sunday, it’s valid for 48 hours (a player who hits waivers on Saturday will clear on Monday, and one on Sunday will clear Tuesday). This matters because if you make your decision at 1 PM on Friday, it isn’t processed until Saturday, and doesn’t clear until Monday. If you make the decision 2 hours earlier, it’s processed that day and clears on Saturday.
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Thank you!
I didn’t mean we should trade for Guerin. I meant that if we DIDN’T wind up trading or waiving Gagne AND we won the Stanley Cup next year with Gagne, -wouldn’t that be a great end of the story - and a Cup with honor. I would love to see him cheered and offered another year extension.
Thanks to you both for answering. I never thought I’d be hoping for a team to trade for him — but I’d rather that, than for him to be placed on waivers, or sent to the AHL.
can he put on the pads and play in net? did he demand that homer trade gagne b/c gagne made him look bad (you know b/c gagne came up in the clutch and lebron not so much? lol
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Homer: To save cap room, we’ve decided to sign LeBron to an entry-level contract. LeBron believes that playing 2 sports in 2 different cities will help his endorsements.
Reporter: How will that work? And what position will LeBron play?
Homer: Well, in order to sign Carcillo and Powe after we traded Gagne for Kaberle (don’t we have a fine defense now! all 8 of them,including Bartulis) we had to waive a few people, including all of our goaltenders. LeBron will be our backup goalie, and since we’ll only need him when our full-time goalie Brian Stewart is injured, he’ll be playing basketball on the nights we don’t need him.
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Don’t think that’s feasible. I think seeing as the Sixers play in the same building, he should be a skater and just play basketball while he’s off after a line change and before his line comes on again. Hopefully he’s efficient at getting his skates and hockey equipment on and off.
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 8, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
how about Lebron just does home games that way he doesn’t have to travel. he can play net for flyers when they are at home and then play for sixers when they are at home. and instead of a hotel, we build lebron a shrine at the spectrum site
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
For LA. RT @doug_panzer: @tpanotch’s report said (gagne) AGREED to waive. Semantics!
So Gagne agreed to waive for LA, but he hasn’t been approached (or won’t agree to waive) for anyone else.
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so then doesn’t the whole gagne trade situation depend on kovy talks. the kings are done with kovy talks (supposedly) again, so maybe we will get something moving soon
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. But Homer doesn’t have the patience/time to wait for the Kovalchuk situation to settle itself, since he’s apparently announcing the Zherdev signing tomorrow. Or maybe he knows/expects Kovalchuk to somehow sign somewhere tonight or tomorrow.
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well he probably has been in on again, off-again trade talks with the kings. I still think that the zherdev signing won’t put them over the overage and they wouldn’t have to put gagne on waivers but good luck trying to get anything worthwhile out of la once zherdev figures become official
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
So we’re hoping the Kings sign Kovalchuk, and Gagne has no where else he would be traded to. Sounds good to me
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i thought we were rooting for Kovalchuk to sign anywhere but the kings so we have clear suitor for gagne and maybe we can get something awesome in return (BERNIER!!!)
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Ideally I still want gags but I understand why he might have to be traded (i.e. Homer is a moron who overpaid for jodi shelley, leighton, and got a #4 or 5 defensemen that makes $4million) and if trading gags and get the pieces needed to win the cup then I’m sure all of us would make the trade.
by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do you still want Bernier? The Flyers have prospects who are basically just as unproven at the NHL level.
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want something in return for gagne. might as well be the goalie of the future
by historywillbemade on Jul 9, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Chuck Berry on Kovalchuk, Gagne, Zherdev, Nabokov et al
Rockin’ and Reelin’
London, 1972
You're living in a parallel universe. Do not attempt angle parking.
January 11, 1976
crap.
i feel maybe a little bit better? i have no idea, but you know how rumors are, they make you pissed off or nervous then BAM none of its true. even if gagne leaves (which im REALLY hoping he doesn’t), i’ll follow him but I will still be a flyers fan, not whatever team he’s on. god this is stressful.
I may vomit
This is becoming awfully similar to the way the Lightning got rid off Dan Boyle. They threatened him that they would put him on the waivers if he didn’t agree with waiving his NTC. So what was his choice? Of course he rather waived his NTC and more than willingly left to San Jose. Naturally, he was disgusted with the way the Tampa organization treated him so he was glad to be gone.
Is this is really the way we’re going to handle Gagne situation? I realize those were all just rumors and speculations but with all that has been going on so far, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were true. And that is pretty disgusting and makes me sick. If Simon is gone and the deal is done THIS way, I honestly don’t care who we get from the deal. Yes, my opinions are driven by my emotions but the worst thing that could ever happen to me would be seeing Flyers win the Cup without Simon on the roster. So if he’s gone, they better suck. I’m sorry, I know I’ll get lots of bashing for saying this but I don’t really care anymore.
If this is the way Holmgren handles the situation, if he pushes Simon to leave the Flyers, I’m done. I will follow the team and somewhat cheer on them, but no way I am going to want them to win the Cup. Oh yeah, bitter feelings. Preach me for that…ban me from the BSH…
I love the Lightning AND the Flyers... go ahead, preach me!
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
American Cheese, B!tch!
i seriously doubt that they need to force gagne to waive it. all indications suggest he would do it
by historywillbemade on Jul 9, 2010 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions
There have to be some exceptions though. I mean, the usual: Edmonton, Montreal (for a former Nordiques fan), the Isles, maybe Atlanta and Florida.
Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger;
Our team is so much stronger
We've got Briere, Betts and Pronger...
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 9, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
All of which are teams that would willingly trade for him
by SanDiegoScraps on Jul 10, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions

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