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Gagne says on French TV that he hasn't waived his no-trade clause

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Click the image above to jump to video of Gagne's interview at RDS.ca.

According to the French-language, sometimes journalistically inaccurate RDS, Simon Gagne has not waived his no trade clause, as previously reported by local Philadelphia media. I don't speak much French, so I don't understand what Gagne is saying in the video above. I can, however, translate what's said on that graphic, and it says that Gagne hasn't waived any type of no trade clause.

Despite the reputation RDS has of reporting information that can be less than true, this is coming straight from Gagne himself. It doesn't get any more direct than that. At the same time, this doesn't necessarily mean that Gagne won't waive his no-trade. It just means he's yet to do so, potentially because the Flyers haven't come to him with a potential destination yet (although, that's just speculation on my part).

Who the hell knows what to think anymore?

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Sa Clause de Non-Echange is a beautiful way of referring to Hartnell’s contract.

by Snevik on Jul 8, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Start up the Trade Carter Express again haha.

by DLJr on Jul 8, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

so again we are left clueless as to what Homer’s masterplan is

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

At least we are not the only ones

NYR haven’t herd the word “Master Plan” in Years
The Kings fans have it worse off with the flip flopping
Boston has far worse cap troubles
And so will NJ is they end up getting their wish
The penguins really need a winger but cant trade anyone
Montreal traded Halak who ended up signing for only 3.75 while Price hasnt signed re signed
Toronto makes 2 mistakes for every good one but they are so behind the 8 ball it dosent matter
The Sabers….well if they get Gagne, that could spell trouble

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m curious with Toronto…what do you think they’ve done wrong this off season so far?

by DLJr on Jul 8, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually I think they have had a killer off season and i’m starting to just whistle in the dark hoping that their previous blunders or soon to be made blunder will keep them from becoming a real threat

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

As much as I hate Toronto, I love Burke…so I would like him to be successful there (just not against the Flyers). After Burke responded to a question about the Pens rebuilding, with basically, they didn’t rebuild, they picked a ping bong ball out of a bucket (referring to Crosby), he has entered the stage of infallible to me.

by DLJr on Jul 8, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha there’s also something about the aggressive way he builds teams with toughness and grit that makes me think he’s got a lot of Flyer inside him.

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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 8, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did play a year with the Maine Mariners when they were still affiliated with the Flyers. Won a Calder Cup with them, actually.

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by Ben Feldman on Jul 8, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kings should just trade for Gagne and give Kovie the finger (oh and give us Bernier or Simmonds) in the process

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

We sure he has a “master plan”?

"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room."

by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Jul 8, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

you’d hope so. I am not even sure he is in control. From what I’ve read there are two separate factions with different ideas in the Flyer’s management

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of people in the organization we get Lebron

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holmgren sits in his office with a d20 and a purple wizard hat. His master plan is completely reliable.

I can read the future, while lesser men read comic books.

by Sakurafire on Jul 8, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Je ne comprends pas. Qu’est-ce qui se passe avec Homer et Le Flyers? Je suis si confuse.

"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko

by doubleh on Jul 8, 2010 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

(Spoken in a Northeast Philly accent:)

Jay muppel Seemone Ganyay. Jay nai pah rehnawnsay la clawzay de nawn ishanj.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Jul 8, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

little corrections: les Flyers (it’s plurial) and it’s confus if you’re a guy and confuse if you’re a girl.

by MathB on Jul 8, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I’m a girl. Sorry about forgetting the les. It’s been a while and Spanish was my major, not French, so I’m rusty.

"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko

by doubleh on Jul 8, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

well you’re pretty good, I thought you did it with Google translate

by MathB on Jul 8, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Travis should hand out a prize for the first fully correct translation. haha. jk.

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by PhillyPhan85 on Jul 8, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope, I had to look up some words in my dictionary, because I was getting them confused for Spanish (too similar), but I know basic sentence construct. Verb conjugation gets me still. I only had one year of French.

Russian was my minor in college and if you want to talk about a bear of a language…I mean, it’s not Chinese…but whoo, boy.

"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko

by doubleh on Jul 8, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

All french speaking people are girls.

by bfrank27 on Jul 8, 2010 2:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think Lappy might have something to say about that.

"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko

by doubleh on Jul 8, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats one seriously ugly girl, even before the two pucks to the face.

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

ughh. i just want to know which direction my orange and black blood should flow

by phinally on Jul 8, 2010 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

….Okay, this is just inane now. I give up on trying to figure out what the hell Homer is doing.

by StarbladeMKIII on Jul 8, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Might be a question of semantics. He may have just given the team a list of teams he’d be willing to waive his NTC for if a trade was set up.

by SJPhillyVT on Jul 8, 2010 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with this. Pending a legitimate deal to a city he would agree to move to is a far cry from having the clause completely removed from the contract legally. Gagne has been and seems like a stand up guy, so if Holmgren asked him about it I am sure he said he would do whatever would be best for the team.

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by MJDII on Jul 8, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

He definitely said something about the Flyers. That was the only word I understood…

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by LVHokejs on Jul 8, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I would love to see Gagne stay.

Homer is performing the ultimate mind-f*ck.

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by PhillyPhan85 on Jul 8, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m starting to think the same thing.

It’s pretty simple: either Gagne hasn’t waived his clause, or he has and is engaging in subterfuge. Since I can’t see any real sense in the second option, it’s more likely the first.

I guess we’ll find out soon.

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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 8, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

translation

asking my girlfriend for an accurate English transcription of the interview… he uses a lot of and this and that and seems awkward or uncomfortable about the subject… translation coming up

by fitzy first on Jul 8, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I could do it if I have a transcript of the interview … those francophone bastards speak too damn fast and mumble. >.>

by ic0n67 on Jul 8, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

she is having the same problem

by fitzy first on Jul 8, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention their crazy Quebecois accents. Speak like I was taught in high school, dammnit. >:(

by ohnickels on Jul 8, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

watch your mouth, we bastards are a big part of this team success. Past and present.

by MathB on Jul 8, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love you bastards, I miss traveling to Quebec. I used to be up there once a month for about 2 year stretch

by DLJr on Jul 8, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seconded. I’m practically counting the minutes until my next trip to Montreal in 6 weeks.

by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 8, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

then don’t mumble :(

I had dinner last night with my friend and her husband who is Parisiens … his English is even hard to understand because he mumbles so badly. … although I did learn that if you write in all capital letters you never have to worry about accents on your letters … where was this information in French class …

by ic0n67 on Jul 8, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

He said that he didn’t remove his no-trade clause. He said the Flyers don’t have much spaces and we’ll see what happen with him in a couple of days.

by MathB on Jul 8, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the translation, can you hook me up with some Poutine too…I miss that stuff.

by DLJr on Jul 8, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It isn’t the same without the cheese curd though :(

by DLJr on Jul 8, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

well I don’t think I’m gonna find cheese on ebay

by MathB on Jul 8, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha I know. I just get frustrated. I’ll go up to Ontario for the occasional weekend tournie, and prey they have real poutine…but they never have the curd, it’s frustrating.

by DLJr on Jul 8, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was the interview done 2 weeks ago?
Was the interview done Yesterday?

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

The interview was done July 7.

by deisel on Jul 8, 2010 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks!

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the translation from a Bill Meltzer thread:

Gagné says he still has a NTC and hasn’t lifted it. He knows the Flyers have problems getting under the cap and he may be targeted as he will play his last contract year. He ended saying the next days will determine what will happen.

by deisel on Jul 8, 2010 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

so Im translating that as
“Homer I told you I would lift my NTC but id you think you can dump me to the Islanders you in for a big surprise. Im either going to a contender or Im staying here!”

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m translating it as “If a trade happens, it happens. That’s out of my control. But in the meantime, I’m here, and I won’t voice any displeasure about the situation publicly.”

Sooo…this is just another piece of the puzzle that tells us nothing.

by Snevik on Jul 8, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gagnes class comes through a lot better in your translation

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

in other news… giroux, briere and gagne are super awesome!

by fitzy first on Jul 8, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

i ended up watching all the other french videos about the flyers. about ten minutes later i realized what i was doing and that i couldn’t speak french

by phinally on Jul 8, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same; it was quite a bizarre moment.

by ww2b on Jul 8, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

well french isn’t too much different from english honestly … you can get the gist of what someone is saying pretty easy

by ic0n67 on Jul 8, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

stick a Flyers logo on it and i’ll be mesmerized for a while

by fitzy first on Jul 8, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

SWEET NEW CURSE!!!

by ic0n67 on Jul 8, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s an olde but a goode

by fitzy first on Jul 8, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great news, i never wanted to see Gagne go! Does this mean that Carter is on the block? I hope so!

by Flyers67 on Jul 8, 2010 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s an elaborate diversion to cover Homer’s real intention of going after Kovie for $10mil/yr and sending us into cap hell.

by Giroux-ling for Cheese on Jul 8, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

i wouldn’t put it past homer at this point. my question is what is taking him so long to pull the trigger. Are we stuck waiting until the Kovie saga ends?

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sending us into cap hell? Frack, we have permanent residence there.

"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko

by doubleh on Jul 8, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does Cap Hell have anything similar to Hilton reward program, HHonors, that the Flyers can take advantage of?

by DLJr on Jul 8, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, once we have x number of points, we can use them for trade or to get an additional draft pick? What’s the theoretical points system?

"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko

by doubleh on Jul 8, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like an additional draft pick works, or the ability to have one player, for one year that doesn’t count against the team’s cap. Seems fair haha.

by DLJr on Jul 8, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Saga of the Simon Gagne No-Movement-Clause-Waiving (reposted from other thread)

(Sorry, you started this thread after I was already constructing this; I’m pointing that post to this thread).

Homer to Gagne: Simon, I don’t really plan on doing this, but considering our cap position and all the guys you know on that team’s management, would you ever consider waiving your NMC to go to the Kings?

Simon: Homer, ees deeficult. But sure, I would consider.

Homer: Thanks. (Goes into meeting with all Flyers office employees).

Homer: Well, I just talked to Gagne. I’m nervous about the cap, but Simon says he might waive his NMC if we needed him to.

(Alternate universe conspiracy theorist version: Homer goes into meeting, calls aside an intern and orders the intern to do the following).

After meeting, intern calls reporter: Yo, Tim, Simon has agreed to waive his NMC.
Reporter tweets: It’s official, Flyers brass say Gagne has waived his NMC.

BSH reaction: Angst, sturm, drang, suicidal thoughts mixed in with capgeek

RDS calls Simon and asks if NMC is waived, Simon says: NON!

Reporter tweets (misinterpreting "non" in French for "non" in English): Gagne never had NMC

Press conference where Carter trade is announced, Homer answers question whether trade rumor about Gagne was ever true: I have no idea how that started, such a thing never started with someone in the Flyers office

(Alternate universe conspiracy theorist version, Homer crosses fingers behind self as he says the previous sentence, and thinks: Of course it didn’t start with anyone here, I fired that intern last week).

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One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.

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by Bud in TN on Jul 8, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

At least you got the BSH right in there this time

by DLJr on Jul 8, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

(Sigh)

Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.

I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.

by Bud in TN on Jul 8, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently Gagne’s a leap year baby. You learn the weirdest things from Twitter. So that makes Gagne the youngest player on the team by a lot haha

by ww2b on Jul 8, 2010 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Don’t you wish you could score 250 goals in the NHL before you are 7

by ic0n67 on Jul 8, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don’t think I ever played hockey before I was 7

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is never signing a +35 contract

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s so strange to realize Gagne is only 30. He has been playing on the Flyers for 11 years.

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I agree. He seems like he’s been around forever, but he’s only 30 and still has a lot of years in front of him. Here’s to hoping he’s in the Orange and Black for 10 more years.

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by Lindbergh 31 on Jul 8, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

… wow i’m 2 days older than Riley Cote …

by ic0n67 on Jul 8, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m older than most of the team, and that includes Chris Pronger. And the new old guy we just picked up, O’Donnell.

"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko

by doubleh on Jul 8, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

you guys are making me feel young. I am 6 months younger than Mike Richards. I always feel old when I see guys my age doing incredible things in the NHL, but then I realize that man those guys are young

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

makes me feel poor

by ic0n67 on Jul 8, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

What upsets me is when I realize that I am much, much closer in age to Peter Laviolette than I am to (most of the) players. Only Pronger, Briere, Lappy, O’Donnell are really within my range.

"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko

by doubleh on Jul 8, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am a couple of years behind you. The closest player to me age-wise is Timonen. I am one year and one month younger than he.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Jul 8, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought I was one of the older folks on here, well I guess I still am compared to many. I’m about the same age is Bouch. Which makes most of the team much younger than me.

by zot22 on Jul 8, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I’m younger than….

Er, can we re-sign Homer? Clarke? maybe Gordie Howe?

Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.

I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.

by Bud in TN on Jul 8, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m between Krajicek and Leino for age, and once I get back in shape (messed my knee up, and the enforced rest has made my weight go up), I’ll be about Briere’s size.

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by The Dark on Jul 8, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m Gionta size and play goalie. even if I was good enough, I doubt i’d ever make nhl

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was assuming he was an inch shorter, since most athletes I’ve encountered in street clothes are about an inch shorter than their “official” height.

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by The Dark on Jul 8, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am exactly 6 months younger than jeff carter.

by bfrank27 on Jul 8, 2010 2:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Was he also raised by pirates?

by ohnickels on Jul 8, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

No but he plays on the same team as one

by bfrank27 on Jul 8, 2010 2:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

So we’re looking at trading away a seven year old top line winger….great.

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Our team is so much stronger
We've got Briere, Betts and Pronger...

by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 8, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know what the sad part of this article is? the lack of Simon’s playoff beard. Man that thing was awesome

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Feche la vache

*cow comes flying over the ramparts burying the poor intern that Holmgren had banging his coconuts together

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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 8, 2010 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.

I think I figured out this being a GM thing … just go up to Kovalchuk and keep saying NI NI! Until he signs for league minimum … BRILLIANT!

by ic0n67 on Jul 8, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

there is only one small problem...

We are now no longer the GMs who say ni. We are now the GMs who say ecky ecky ecky pikang zoom poing.

by bfrank27 on Jul 8, 2010 3:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

We the GM’s demand another sacrafice!! You shall go to the forest and find mightiest hockey player and give him a contract with…….. a HERRING!!!!! doomish musical chord plays

Get a player with a herring clause? It can’t be done.

Ahhh he said the word!!!

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by Lindbergh 31 on Jul 8, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also were not a guinness commercial.

by bfrank27 on Jul 8, 2010 3:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

how did he get couconuts in a temperate zone?

by fitzy first on Jul 8, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

the penguin may fly south to cheesy beaches and Nascar events yet these are not strangers to our land?

by fitzy first on Jul 8, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now, Lancelot, Galahad and I wait until nightfall and then jump out of the rabbit, taking them completely by surprise!

Who jumps out of the rabbit?

Lancelot, Galahad and I….jump…out..of..the..rabbit…

"Chris Pronger sneaked in the back door...banged it home."

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by Psy09 on Jul 8, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do have this idea for a wooden badger….

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by Lindbergh 31 on Jul 8, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The guys over at Blueshirt Banter make good points on both sides of the argument, but I think they are right that he could be really good for us

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to respectfully disagree with this whole article. He/she mentions the Gagne trade, which may not even be happening. (I still see Carter going, IMO)

Also, I can not see in any way how the MULTIPLE “old” players on this roster would let him screw around. Names like Pronger, O’Donnell, Lappy and so on will not put up with it and if he continues to be a fool, he will be run out of town regardless of how many goals he is scoring. IMO the whole reason those players were brought in was to control the “kids” on this team and not let the things of the past come up again. Although the things of the past were partying, I will bet everything in my life that Prongs or Lappy or someone would give him an ear full if he isn’t working at his full potential.

"Chris Pronger sneaked in the back door...banged it home."

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by Psy09 on Jul 8, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see it as a high risk/ high reward gamble that hopefully won’t cost more than $3 million a year. We need a winger to play with Giroux and JVR and this solves that problem, but it still leaves us with another huge problem…you know the one that cost us game 6 of scf

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Update time via Pierre Lebrun:
" But Gagne hinted that because of Flyers’ cap issues, he may still be on the way out at some point 44 minutes ago via web

" In other Flyers news, Simon Gagne on French sports network RDS told media that he has, in fact, NOT waived his no-trade clause… about 1 hour ago via web

“Once paperwork is finalized either today or tomorrow, Zherdev will sign a one-year deal with the Flyers about 1 hour ago via web

“Holdup on Zherdev deal in Philly we’re told is that paperwork still being processed as NHL rubber-stamps player transfer from KHL… "

So we have a term one-year and rumored cost less than $3 million

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Looks like a good day

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope he can be less than 3 million…. fingers crossed it may even be closer to 2 million. And a 1 year deal is good, so if he does well we can re-sign him and if he doesn’t he’s out.

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by Lindbergh 31 on Jul 8, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

so this looks like an Emery type deal…low risk/high reward, if not he’s gone in a year. ok gamble

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It will be tricky to re sign Zherdev
We have too many to re sign at the end of next season.
Thats why Gagne is on the block. He is a UFA and we wont be able to afford him
Carter becomes an RFA
Leino becomes a UFA
And Cote becomes a ….why the hell is he still on the team, UFA
O’Donnel becomes a UFA
Boosh becomes a UFA

But having him for a year could be fantastic and you never know what the team will look like in 3 weeks much less 11 months from now

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

you forgot Giroux is RFA next year

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Losing him isn’t even a choice though ;-)

Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger;
Our team is so much stronger
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 8, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I am not saying we have to resign him, I’m just saying that if he does well we have that option, but you’re right, who knows what the team will look like come next offseason.

I am kind of already dreading next offseason due to players coming up on ends of contracts and people needing raises (Giroux and Leino). Gagne may take a discount. Carter will be too pricey if we keep him, but who knows maybe the cap will go up a lot? But next offseason is the time to worry about it. Maybe Homer can sign some great cap-friendly extensions for some during the season.

Just I’m wondering how this team will look when preseason starts… I don’t want to wait any longer!

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by Lindbergh 31 on Jul 8, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The most important question...

What the hell is a “No-Trade Clause” anyway? I’ve never heard of anything like that in my life. Do the Flyers have any of those?

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by mikefive on Jul 8, 2010 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Sources told CSNPhilly.com last week that Gagne had agreed to waive his no-trade clause only for certain teams

Its poor reporting when all the writers decided to omit the cretin teams when they 1st reported this story!

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 4:47 PM EDT reply actions  

That is what I figured was true when he said he didn’t waive it yet. Makes sense since if he just waived it he would be subject to move anywhere. So probably when they met last week Gagne was asked which teams if any he’d like to be traded to and the Flyers have since tried to work out a deal with those teams.

by ic0n67 on Jul 8, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

omit the cretin teams

What do you have against cretins? 1, 2, 3, 4, cretins wanna hop some more.

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by mikefive on Jul 8, 2010 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

nicely done

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about a goalie?

From the sounds of things, the Kings aren’t willing to give up either of their young goalies. Why not give Theodore a try for a season? He had great stats last year, and got pulled from the playoffs unfairly early in my opinion. He had nobody playing defense in front of him. I think he’d really excel with our top 6 in front of him and I’d rather have him than Turco. Plus, he’d probably come cheap.

by DharmaShark on Jul 8, 2010 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

no theodore. dont like him at all. much prefer turco

by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 8, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t like either, but Turco is marginally less bad.

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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 9, 2010 5:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

turco will come just as cheap, he has no other options

by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jul 8, 2010 5:23 PM EDT reply actions  

but do we have the cap space for him? We really need to see Zherdev’s cap hit to see if it’s possible. The only way we have money for a goalie after making the necessary moves (trading gagne, waiving boosh & cote) is to walk away from Powe/ Carcillo. Can we even do that? Could we rescind an offer made to a RFA or maybe we can package one of them with Gagne

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

from what I heard, the Zherdev contract is going to be less than $2 mil. Right now, the Flyers are only over the cap by about $800k-$1.1 mil. If we trade Gagne or Carter, that frees up between $5-$5.25 million right there. Powe will resign for less than a mil, and Carcillo is looking for around 1.5. That still leaves about $2 million and I think Theodore could be had for that price or less with an incentive laden contract.

by DharmaShark on Jul 8, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

2010-11 Philadelphia Flyers
PLAYER BONUS CAP HIT
FORWARDS
Daniel Briere — $6,500,000
Mike Richards — $5,750,000
Jeff Carter — $5,000,000
Scott Hartnell — $4,200,000

  • Nikalai Zherdev — $3,000,000
    James Van Riemsdyk ($637,500) $1,654,167
  • Daniel Carcillo — $1,200,000
    Ian Laperriere — $1,166,667
    Jody Shelley — $1,100,000
    Claude Giroux — $821,667
    Ville Leino — $800,000
  • Darroll Powe — $700,000
    Blair Betts — $700,000
    Riley Cote — $550,000
    DEFENSEMEN
    Kimmo Timonen — $6,333,333
    Chris Pronger — $4,921,429
    Andrej Meszaros — $4,000,000
    Matt Carle — $3,437,500
    Braydon Coburn — $3,200,000
    Sean O’Donnell ($300,000) $1,300,000
    Oskars Bartulis — $600,000
    GOALTENDERS
    Michael Leighton — $1,550,000
  • Marty Turco — $1,500,000

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER SIZE 23
SALARY CAP $59,400,000
PAYROLL $59,984,762
BONUSES $937,500
CAP SPACE $352,738

In this scenario I have flyers waiving Boosh & Cote, trading Gagne, giving Carcillo 1.2 million, Zherdev $3, Turco/Theodore 1.5 million, and Powe 700k. close to the cap but under

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 5:39 PM EDT reply actions  

whoops i missed taking Cote out so add another 550 in cap space or replace it with another small contract

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great job breaking that down!

by DharmaShark on Jul 8, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

so more endless waiting?

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the confusion continues . . .

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by Mitchell Green on Jul 8, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

/facepalm

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like Darren Dreger knows about as much as we do.

by Snevik on Jul 8, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a Gags trade could be imminent (well, relatively anyways) – Darren Dreger just tweeted that Flyers may be waiting on announcing Zherdev signing until Gags is moved – guess it depends on how much money Zherdev would make and whether that would put them over the 10% overage on the cap – hope that they don’t completely undersell Gags (a la Roenick when everyone knew they needed to get under the cap)

by dpalmer94122 on Jul 8, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

but everyone has to know by now that we are signing Zherdev so what is the point in waiting to announce it. other gms probably know what flyers are looking to do so just announce the deal

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

All true, but I’m hoping there will be a better market such that they could play some teams off of each other. They’ll never get full value – i wholly agree – but they can hopefully do better than a 4th or whatever it was for JR

by dpalmer94122 on Jul 8, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

you could add at least 6M in contracts before truly worrying about getting close to the 10% over limit.

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

do they have $6 million in contracts lined up and ready to sign?

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

we are waiting for the penguins to waive Crosby

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

This would officially make it a Gagne for Zherdev trade. OK, hands raised…how many of you would have made that trade six days ago?

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by Bud in TN on Jul 8, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would someone please explain to me why the Flyers want Zherdev so bad? I get why trading Gagne might make sense for now and the future given Flyers cap issues over the next xeveral years, but you are essentially trading one guy for the other and that is a poor trade.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 8, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I look at this as another Emery move. You’ll get a player who is accused of being a head case for a year somewhat below market value whom you know can play at the NHL level, and assuming his mind is in the right place and he produces (and doesn’t have a career ending injury/disease), you can add to your core for the next several years. I don’t think going after Zherdev is a terrible move, since the Flyers do have top-6 depth on the left going forward (JVR and Hartnell) but no natural top-6 right wingers. Trading or waiving Gagne at this point is stupid, but let’s not kid ourselves — unless Gagne would take a new contract at or below Hartnell’s cap hit ($4.2 million), he was likely gone after ‘10-11 anyway, because JVR won’t be a third line winger forever.

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by Ben Feldman on Jul 8, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s not just gagne for zherdev (rumored less than 3 million, one year deal). it’s gagne for zherdev, carcillo, and powe. I’d hope that they trade (not waive) gagne and get picks and/or prospects in return as well and maybe,…just maybe get another goalie

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Given my disdain for Zherdev & Carcillo, I wouldn’t be in any hurry to sign either. If its to make space for a decent goalie then it makes more sense to me.

Speaking of Powe, any thoughts on his development? I haven’t followed him like I did JVR.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 8, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is what he is, and that’s a rugged fourth liner who has brick hands and can be a significant contributor to your penalty kill. Maybe if you shake up your lines you try him on a top-line for a little bit to see if he can provide a physical presence.

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by Ben Feldman on Jul 8, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, then I really don’t get these moves from a hockey standpoint. You are freeing up room to sign 3 guys who aren’t difference makers at all.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 8, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Basically.

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by Ben Feldman on Jul 8, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, and they are going to need Gagne’s money to resign Carter

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by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 9, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

So we trade

Gagne for Powe, Carcillo and Zherdev.

We lose the best player. Not much potential coming back the other way. We lose the trade.

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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 8, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

what if we get a goalie out of it? send gagne to La for Quick or Bernier (not gonna happen) or sign Turco/ Theo with left over cash if we have any

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t personally rate Turco or Theo that highly. That is, I don’t rate them highly enough to justify losing Gagne. I don’t really want Leighton to be our starter and have expressed that. But I’m not entirely happy with either of those two either, knowing that we don’t have many options left. But that’s just me. If we can get Quick or Bernier in return I would be satisfied and just hope whichever one we get pans out into a perennial all star.

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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 8, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

:O

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by ToddtheFox on Jul 8, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well in the first tweet above, Dreger did use the word “move” and not “trade,” perhaps hinting at this before spouting this out minutes later.

Simon Gagne has a NTC, not an NMC. The Flyers can do this, if they can’t find a trading partner.

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by Justin F. on Jul 8, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

there’s gotta be somebody out there that would give us something for gagne

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh – think i just threw up in my mouth

by dpalmer94122 on Jul 8, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

any NHL exec thinking we are going to put Gagne on wavers right now is dreaming
possibly at training camp but we would definitely find draft pics before then

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

This. Dreger is just spinning our wheels.

by Snevik on Jul 8, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he goes to waivers anyone can get him,
So the teams that really want him will pony up something soon

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe a smoke screen to get gms to pony up now

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

stupid report from any angle

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously, Homer wouldn’t do that

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHY would you waive him? This is mindless dribble and/or ignorant hoping by those “NHL execs”.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 8, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe the Flyers are that desperate to clear cap space?

I’m not saying I agree, I am just suggesting that as a possible reason to why they would waive him.

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by Justin F. on Jul 8, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

only 1 situation I can think of

If Gagne said he would ONLY be traded to the kings
The Kings feel they have total control of the situation
Then we call both their bluffs at the same time

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ignoring the fact that the team can go over the cap and they shouldn’t be desperate to clear cap space any time soon, why would you waive HIM? You don’t waive a guy you’re supposedly shopping actively.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 8, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

unless flyers will announce two contracts instead of one (think Turco) but that still doesn’t make sense as they could make someone like Turco wait longer to give him a deal as it will further drive down his price

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

unless those NHL execs are Flyers execs trying to drive up last minute trade negotiations. waivers makes no sense for Gagne b/c you can still get something for him and aren’t required to dump him. the only way gagne goes of waivers is if they don’t have a trade ready by camp

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Threatening to take nothing in return doesn’t drive up negotiations. It kills them.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 8, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want a press conference. I want Carchidi asking Homer to confirm reports that Gagne will be waived. I want fireballs to shoot out Homer’s eyes.

by Snevik on Jul 8, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, it was so hard for me to avoid typing a Carchidi joke here…

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 8, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

how does waiver claim process work again? doesn’t it go by draft order or something like that? there’d definitely be multiple teams that might try to claim him and if a team really wants him, they might do something to try to get him before that happens

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure how it works in the off-season, actually.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 8, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Poor guy would end up in Edmonton.

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by Ben Feldman on Jul 8, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s a terrible way to say goodbye to some one like Gagne, who has given so much for this team and organization

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

one reason why threatening such a drastic action could work

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

For who? Are we trying to convince Gagne that he should waive his NTC? I thought we were trying to find a trading partner…

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 8, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should this remarkable thing happen, I guess it would mean the Flyers weren’t able find a trading partner Gagne would go to, since obviously with a NTC you don’t need a player’s permission to put him on waivers…

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by Ben Feldman on Jul 8, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s still a shitty idea. I’m sure if the Kings really want a LW and Kovy continues dicking around that they’d go after gagne

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

That the Philadelphia front office is so in love with Jeff Carter that they may be considering waiving Simon Gagne over trading him is…unbelievable.

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by Ben Feldman on Jul 8, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

if Homer waives Gagne, I’m going to kill him. atleast get something in return and find a team that Gagne might want to play on

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we also waive Richards, Hartnell and Briere we can get other players to replace them for real cheep.
Then we can get Turco and still be under the cap!
Problem solved

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

i am really hoping that these reports are wrong, if not then Homer lost it

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Briere has a NMC. I believe you need his permission to waive him. So they’ll simply have to waive Pronger and JVR instead.

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by Ben Feldman on Jul 8, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

so if Briere has a NMC and need permission to waive him, wouldn’t you need Gagne to do the same and if so no way Gagne does it, unless gagne’s ntc is different then briere’s nmc

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK we shoot Briere and we waive the rest.
Homer ends up looks like a genius

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teams don’t need to get permission to place a player with a NTC on waivers (nor do they need permission to send that player to the minors should they clear waivers). With a NMC, a team needs permission to do anything with regard to the player with the exception of buying them out. That you can do with any player with a NTC or NMC.

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by Ben Feldman on Jul 8, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah ok that explains difference b/w ntc and nmc. still I think this is stupid, unless they are signing Zherdev to a ridiculous amount there is no need to act so rashly as to put gagne on waivers. I am sure that by training camp they could find a suitor. hell once kovie signs somewhere it would be rather simple

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

unless they sign another UFA winger and a goalie like right away,

Gagne waived Flyers signed Turco, Zherdev and Ponikarovsky for example that is a lot in return for waiving Gagne.

by chrislanci on Jul 8, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

too many Europeans but you get the idea. Gagne’s cap spaces can yield 2 wingers and a goalie, whether they come from trader or are just from signings that is a good move.

by chrislanci on Jul 8, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

even then they need to waive boosh, cote, and some how found a way out of resigning powe and carcillo

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

how long are those qualifying offers still valid there should be a time table before that the player would have to accept the offer or try to move on

by chrislanci on Jul 8, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you actually saying that Gagne being waived is an OK idea?

I seriously hope not.

Roster player + prospect: good.
Package of picks and prospects: OK, maybe good if we manage to get a bit more than par
Nothing: bad. Very bad.

Seriously, I, and most people here, love the Flyers with a passion. But if they waived their no. 1 winger to sign free agents. Who are free for a reason, because on July 1 when you have 10 million dollars in cap space you can sign them. That would be inexcusably, unbelievably, stupidly, stupid beyond stupid. And would make it seriously hard for me to avoid being a bit disgusted by the way this team is run.

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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 8, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gagne being waived is a totally bogus idea and I think that’s classless to do. First he’s been with us for 11 years and is a fan favorite. You waive him and you piss off the fan base, you also pretty much give him the finger getting rid of him that way. Send him somewhere he wants to go and give him the respect he deserves.

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by Lindbergh 31 on Jul 9, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that is classless but if you can’t trade him you have to waive him because if you can get 2 wingers and a goalie to fit under the cap with his number gone the teams is better much better and that is what matters in the end, making the team better. In a salary cap world you have to be cold and not so loyal and make hard decisions, like in the NFL.

by chrislanci on Jul 9, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

but someone has to want gagne. there’s gotta be a trade partner out there and you have to get something for him, even if it turns out to be a bad trade. maybe homer’s trade demands are too high?

by historywillbemade on Jul 9, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

The difference between the NHL and NFL is the fact that the NFL doesn’t guarantee contracts. If you are dropped in the NFL you are cut off cold. In the NHL you would still have to pay the person their contract and have it count against the cap to boot.

There is also the possibility that he won’t be moved, but there should be someone out there who would take him. It is just a matter of if he would waive the no trade to that team

by ic0n67 on Jul 9, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

How long can the flyers carry the extra 10% on the cap for?

by dpalmer94122 on Jul 8, 2010 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

End of training camp.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 8, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

not that I believe any of this crap but here’s what eklund has heard rumorwise about the flyers:
“* All this while a few rumors are surfacing that Kovalchuk may indeed take a one year deal in Detroit or Philly.

  • If no Kovalchuk, the Flyers do indeed appear very close to signing Nik Zherdev. It is an interesting choice on quite a few levels. Do the Flyers need another young, skilled forward? Especially one who has a track record of not being a good team guy? And is this player really why they asked Gagne to waive his NTC? Today there are reports Gagne may not waive his NTC. I would expect Simon to only agree to go to a few places. The Flyers asking an icon to waive his NTC to take a chance on Zherdev….not so sure how you Flyers fans feel about this… It’s one thing if you are bringing in a proven Bobby Ryan or a Vezina winning goalie in Tim Thomas. There must be more to this story…I will reserve judgement…
  • Don’t count Jose Theodore out of the running for Philadelphia.
  • I still feel strongly that Paul Kariya is destined to be a Penguin, while I can see Billy Guerin going to NJ or Philadelphia. Yes Philadelphia…"

So according to Eklund Flyers wanted Kovie to pull a Hossa, are after Theodore, and might go for Guerin

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 6:19 PM EDT reply actions  

my translation

Here’s hoping Hartnell will get waived or asked to be traded before Gagne.

by chrislanci on Jul 8, 2010 6:44 PM EDT reply actions  

doubtful, more years on his contract than gagne, less of a cap hit (not enough to cover w/e they do with extra cash), might be harder to trade, was great in playoffs with briere & leino, and provides something no other flyer provides (net presence). hartnell is staying put

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Gagne better than Hartnell… YES

Does Hartnell provide a net presence…. in theory we all keep saying it but NO

I keep the better player.

Gagne comes off the books next year helping next years cap situation. Hartnell might be easier to trade because he is younger and more durable.

by chrislanci on Jul 8, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

His net presence is diving into the net and taking the goalie out with him

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

And going to the box for 2 minutes and 2 minute unsportsmanlike falls coming out of the box then falls in the corner than back into the box for a 2 min slash.

My play by play of the Hartnell ISO Cam.

by chrislanci on Jul 8, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

My favorite Hartnell ISO Cam moment
is when he is tired and back checks well behind the play
He gets angry ,out of breath and then always elbows a guy out of frustration.
Thank god he never gets call for it. He then glides over to the bench to rest.

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hartnell is the anti Pronger in terms of economy of motion and conservation of energy.

by chrislanci on Jul 8, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Birer, Leibo and Zherdev would be sick!
The thought of Hartnell waiving his NTC has crossed my mind.
I think Gagne goes 1st then Hartnell would go next
Carter 3rd

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The #Flyers today disagreed with a Quebec TV station that said Gagne did not agree to waive no-trade clause.

What, did the Flyers send out a press release, Carchidi? It was an interview with the man himself, not just some report. How hard is it to figure that out?

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by Ben Feldman on Jul 8, 2010 6:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Gagne has a stunt double who has gone rouge

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s gone rouge? Or rogue? Rouge sounds funnier. Sorry, it’s the little things that amuse me.

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by doubleh on Jul 8, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

gagne isn’t getting traded to the blanc-bleu-rouge??? but he was a nordiques fan. he’d never approve of playing for the habs

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lest anyone forget, Gagne was a VERY valuable player in playoffs against Boston and Montreal. #Flyers

So which side is Carchidi on? The side where he believes Gagne was asked to waive his NTC, or the side where he believes the Flyers won’t trade him because he’s too valuable to the team?

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by Ben Feldman on Jul 8, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carchidi’s next article. Richards to blame for the Flyers Cap Troubles Demands Gagne Traded.

by chrislanci on Jul 8, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

haha, very nice. +1

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 8, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

How close are these reporters to the Flyers? Should they know exactly what is going on, or do they report from sources close to the organisation?

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by ToddtheFox on Jul 8, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carchidi was in Ocean City on July 1st walking on the beach. He gets his Flyers info from Aquaman.

by chrislanci on Jul 8, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

does any one but homer know wtf is going on right now? this is madness…think about it the Flyers supposedly offered Kovy a $7 million one year deal and now might put gagne on waivers and sign Zherdev

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

does any one but, including homer know wtf is going on right now?

Fixed.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 8, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Panotch knows people inside and outside the organization. When he quotes sources, I consider it to be fact. SanFilippo isn’t always first to get scoops or anything, but when he quotes sources, I trust them to be legitimate sources. Seravalli seems to only have sources on the periphery of the organization, because what he quotes from sources generally has the right idea, but not the right details — or are just wrong altogether (see the Marty Turco situation; Turco himself said the Flyers made him an offer, Seravalli vehemently denied based on his sources). I’m pretty sure Chris is right that Carchidi has that manatee tank from South Park filled with “idea balls,” and whichever “idea balls” the manatees pick up, Carchidi runs with.

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by Ben Feldman on Jul 8, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

so until we hear from Panotch about waiving gagne, we should consider it useless speculation

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s about how I’m looking at this.

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by Ben Feldman on Jul 8, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

from Panotch
Another 4th july shot to hell. Gagne agrees to waive NTC. Kings r target.
4:30 AM Jul 3rd via web

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, he says Gagne will agree to waive his NTC, but as we know has said nothing about the Flyers considering waiving him.

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by Ben Feldman on Jul 8, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup
the only one I herd bring up Gagne going on waivers was DarrenDreger from TSN

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

and even dreger said that was he said that some nhl execs think flyers will do that

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where do the NHL execs get these ideas from?

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wishful thinking

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by The Dark on Jul 8, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps they are NHL executives trying to drive down the price of Gagne by getting it into people’s minds that the Flyers are considering waiving Gagne…

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by Ben Feldman on Jul 8, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’re probably Oiler execs.

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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 8, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

And like a good hockey reporter the week after July 1st is a good time for a vacation that is exactly were Tpanotch is right now I believe far away from all this crazy talk.

by chrislanci on Jul 8, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Bob McKenzie on vacation too? Haven’t heard anything from him recently.

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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 8, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is, yeah.

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by Ben Feldman on Jul 8, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok that helps. Who have we heard from about Gags waiving his NTC then? Just Carchidi?

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by ToddtheFox on Jul 8, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Panotch and SanFilippo, among others, confirmed that Gagne was asked to waive his NTC and agreed or said he would agree. I think Gagne said what he said because he hasn’t officially waived it, since there was no deal to waive it for. Either that, or he’s just being polite. I could believe either one, honestly. Gagne’s a good guy — if the organization asked him not to discuss it publicly, he won’t discuss it publicly.

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by Ben Feldman on Jul 8, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok. This is all extremely confusing

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by ToddtheFox on Jul 8, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

sad part is that we are likely left to speculate aimlessly for another few days

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Curiously, my comedy scenario above took all this into consideration (including the Panotch twitter) .

It is hopefully all comedy and not tragedy (= Gagne on waivers).

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by Bud in TN on Jul 8, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe the flyers are trying to telling teams that gagne will waive it and that he is available?

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

@allthingsphilly The Flyers say he is misinformed.

How in the world could Gagne be misinformed? And where do the Flyers say this? I’m pretty sure the only thing the Flyers (meaning Homer) have officially said about Gagne is “no comment”.

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by Ben Feldman on Jul 8, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha. I love this.

by Snevik on Jul 8, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Errr…..

Isn’t there some sort of legal action he could take if the Flyers subverted him into waiving his NTC without his knowledge?

Homer: “err, Simon, if you could just sign this letter here”
Gags: “what ees thees?”
Homer: “oh…it’s just about (mumbles)…the usual…(mumbles)…cap hell…”
Gags: “err…whatever you say”

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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 8, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m assuming it goes into contract law and would classify as either a breach or an unenforceable waiver of the NTC.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 8, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

To lighen things up….

Chris Drury has an NMC holy fuck that is a waste of a lot of money. Worst contract ever.

by chrislanci on Jul 8, 2010 6:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow, I think he’s more of an idiot than Carchidi.

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by kmblue on Jul 8, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quick…yes!!! kaberle…wtf?

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eklund is stupid. kabarle makes no sense whatsoever as he is defense, makes $4.2 million next year, which wouldn’t fit in with zherdev signing. the only way kabarle is involved in gagne trade is if it is a 3 team trade in which between la (rumored to be after kabarle)- philly- and toronto

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

so maybe kabarle to kings, gagne to toronto, quick to philly…lol

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s the “staying on this” that sells it.

by Snevik on Jul 8, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

via sbaicker "@BroadStBull is it possible this whole “did he/didn’t he” waive mess is purely an issue of semantics? "
finally some sense on twitter

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

One way it could make sense is if he agreed to waive it for certain teams. So, yes, he did waive it (for those teams), but no, he didn’t waive it (in general).

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by The Dark on Jul 8, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

he agreed that he will waive it but hasn’t waived it bc no deal is in place

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

She is the dullest knife in the entire drawr

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scott Hartnell will take on Serena Williams in a charity tennis match at Villanova July 13.

I cannot even imagine what that will look like.

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by Ben Feldman on Jul 8, 2010 7:27 PM EDT reply actions  

can hartnell run w/o falling?

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Serena Williams is a more physical presence at the net than Hartnell, so maybe it’s cross-training for Harts

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by ToddtheFox on Jul 8, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

hope it a clay court. Hartnell falls a lot

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha this made me laugh.

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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 8, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fuck is happening? This world has gone crazy.

by Snevik on Jul 8, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol, the only thing we need now is for the eklund rumor to come true and find out that the flyers traded gagne for kabarle. we finally get kabarle…10 years later when we don’t want him

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a lot of hair.

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by doubleh on Jul 8, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I get out of class, I’ll take a listen at the video and see if I can decipher it. I’ve learned French from some Quebecois, though that was years ago, so the accent is somewhat familiar.

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by The Dark on Jul 8, 2010 7:38 PM EDT reply actions  

How does this work?

I apologize for not understanding this but maybe someone can help?
If the Flyers place Gagne on waivers, does that mean they get cap relief for his salary?
I think I read somewhere that being on waivers lasts two days and after that that your team can send you down to the minors. Is that right?
This seems so nuts to me and so unfair.
What is the advantage here? What am I missing?

I was glad earlier today hearing about Gagne’s interview because I figured that at least if he did wind up waiving his NTC it would be on his terms to a place he wanted to go to. But this is just such an insult.

I was reading up on Bill Guerin, because I heard him mentioned in connection with something and WIkipedia says: “After much vocal encouragement for his return from the crowd and teammates at Pittsburgh’s Stanley Cup parade on June 15, as well as expressing his own affection for the city and team, Guerin signed a one-year contract extension with the Penguins on June 29 at a greatly reduced salary, to play through the 2009–10 season.”

Now that would be a great next year for us, wouldn’t it? A cup with honor.

by deisel on Jul 8, 2010 7:41 PM EDT reply actions  

If the Flyers place Gagne on waivers, does that mean they get cap relief for his salary?

Yes.

I think I read somewhere that being on waivers lasts two days and after that that your team can send you down to the minors. Is that right?

Depends on the day of the week, I think, but it’s 24 or 48 hours, yes (like if you waive someone on Saturday, he’s available until that Monday, but otherwise I think it’s from noon on the day you waive him until the noon the following day).

This seems so nuts to me and so unfair.

Yes.

What is the advantage here?

If the Flyers are truly considering this — and we don’t know that yet — it means the Flyers can’t find a trading partner who Gagne will waive his NTC for. This way the Flyers can get his salary off the cap without his approval, but they obviously won’t get anything in return.

What am I missing?

Nothing, unfortunately.

Now [Guerin] would be a great next year for us, wouldn’t it?

Zherdev is likely taking the spot that Guerin would.

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by Ben Feldman on Jul 8, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on the day of the week, I think, but it’s 24 or 48 hours, yes (like if you waive someone on Saturday, he’s available until that Monday, but otherwise I think it’s from noon on the day you waive him until the noon the following day).

You’re correct. To give just a bit more detail, waivers are processed at noon each day. If it’s processed during a weekday, they’re valid for 24 hours (i.e. the player clears waivers noon the next day). If the waiver is processed on Saturday or Sunday, it’s valid for 48 hours (a player who hits waivers on Saturday will clear on Monday, and one on Sunday will clear Tuesday). This matters because if you make your decision at 1 PM on Friday, it isn’t processed until Saturday, and doesn’t clear until Monday. If you make the decision 2 hours earlier, it’s processed that day and clears on Saturday.

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by The Dark on Jul 8, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you!

I didn’t mean we should trade for Guerin. I meant that if we DIDN’T wind up trading or waiving Gagne AND we won the Stanley Cup next year with Gagne, -wouldn’t that be a great end of the story - and a Cup with honor. I would love to see him cheered and offered another year extension.

Thanks to you both for answering. I never thought I’d be hoping for a team to trade for him — but I’d rather that, than for him to be placed on waivers, or sent to the AHL.

by deisel on Jul 8, 2010 7:56 PM EDT reply actions  

No Cup we win will have honor as long as that asshole Mike Richards is captain.

3….2…1…

by Snevik on Jul 8, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Devils fans to back you up sorry

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by ToddtheFox on Jul 8, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sources tell Carchidi that LeBron will annouce that he will be playing for the Flyers next year.

by Snevik on Jul 8, 2010 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

can he put on the pads and play in net? did he demand that homer trade gagne b/c gagne made him look bad (you know b/c gagne came up in the clutch and lebron not so much? lol

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he chokes when facing boston

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by Prometheus74 on Jul 8, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Homer: To save cap room, we’ve decided to sign LeBron to an entry-level contract. LeBron believes that playing 2 sports in 2 different cities will help his endorsements.

Reporter: How will that work? And what position will LeBron play?

Homer: Well, in order to sign Carcillo and Powe after we traded Gagne for Kaberle (don’t we have a fine defense now! all 8 of them,including Bartulis) we had to waive a few people, including all of our goaltenders. LeBron will be our backup goalie, and since we’ll only need him when our full-time goalie Brian Stewart is injured, he’ll be playing basketball on the nights we don’t need him.

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by Bud in TN on Jul 8, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t think that’s feasible. I think seeing as the Sixers play in the same building, he should be a skater and just play basketball while he’s off after a line change and before his line comes on again. Hopefully he’s efficient at getting his skates and hockey equipment on and off.

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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 8, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

how about Lebron just does home games that way he doesn’t have to travel. he can play net for flyers when they are at home and then play for sixers when they are at home. and instead of a hotel, we build lebron a shrine at the spectrum site

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

For LA. RT @doug_panzer: @tpanotch’s report said (gagne) AGREED to waive. Semantics!

So Gagne agreed to waive for LA, but he hasn’t been approached (or won’t agree to waive) for anyone else.

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by Ben Feldman on Jul 8, 2010 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

so then doesn’t the whole gagne trade situation depend on kovy talks. the kings are done with kovy talks (supposedly) again, so maybe we will get something moving soon

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. But Homer doesn’t have the patience/time to wait for the Kovalchuk situation to settle itself, since he’s apparently announcing the Zherdev signing tomorrow. Or maybe he knows/expects Kovalchuk to somehow sign somewhere tonight or tomorrow.

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by Ben Feldman on Jul 8, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

well he probably has been in on again, off-again trade talks with the kings. I still think that the zherdev signing won’t put them over the overage and they wouldn’t have to put gagne on waivers but good luck trying to get anything worthwhile out of la once zherdev figures become official

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

So we’re hoping the Kings sign Kovalchuk, and Gagne has no where else he would be traded to. Sounds good to me

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by ToddtheFox on Jul 8, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought we were rooting for Kovalchuk to sign anywhere but the kings so we have clear suitor for gagne and maybe we can get something awesome in return (BERNIER!!!)

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess that depends on whether you still want Gags

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by ToddtheFox on Jul 8, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ideally I still want gags but I understand why he might have to be traded (i.e. Homer is a moron who overpaid for jodi shelley, leighton, and got a #4 or 5 defensemen that makes $4million) and if trading gags and get the pieces needed to win the cup then I’m sure all of us would make the trade.

by historywillbemade on Jul 8, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why do you still want Bernier? The Flyers have prospects who are basically just as unproven at the NHL level.

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by Ben Feldman on Jul 8, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I would be happy waiting on them for another year. Bernier isn’t NHL ready so what is the point?

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by ToddtheFox on Jul 8, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

want something in return for gagne. might as well be the goalie of the future

by historywillbemade on Jul 9, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

crap.

i feel maybe a little bit better? i have no idea, but you know how rumors are, they make you pissed off or nervous then BAM none of its true. even if gagne leaves (which im REALLY hoping he doesn’t), i’ll follow him but I will still be a flyers fan, not whatever team he’s on. god this is stressful.

by BriereFan321 on Jul 8, 2010 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep I think we’re just gonna have to wait this one out, le sigh. I’ll be a Gagne fan and a Flyers fan.

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by ToddtheFox on Jul 8, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I may vomit

This is becoming awfully similar to the way the Lightning got rid off Dan Boyle. They threatened him that they would put him on the waivers if he didn’t agree with waiving his NTC. So what was his choice? Of course he rather waived his NTC and more than willingly left to San Jose. Naturally, he was disgusted with the way the Tampa organization treated him so he was glad to be gone.

Is this is really the way we’re going to handle Gagne situation? I realize those were all just rumors and speculations but with all that has been going on so far, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were true. And that is pretty disgusting and makes me sick. If Simon is gone and the deal is done THIS way, I honestly don’t care who we get from the deal. Yes, my opinions are driven by my emotions but the worst thing that could ever happen to me would be seeing Flyers win the Cup without Simon on the roster. So if he’s gone, they better suck. I’m sorry, I know I’ll get lots of bashing for saying this but I don’t really care anymore.

If this is the way Holmgren handles the situation, if he pushes Simon to leave the Flyers, I’m done. I will follow the team and somewhat cheer on them, but no way I am going to want them to win the Cup. Oh yeah, bitter feelings. Preach me for that…ban me from the BSH…

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by Katchis on Jul 9, 2010 4:30 AM EDT reply actions  

i seriously doubt that they need to force gagne to waive it. all indications suggest he would do it

by historywillbemade on Jul 9, 2010 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

There have to be some exceptions though. I mean, the usual: Edmonton, Montreal (for a former Nordiques fan), the Isles, maybe Atlanta and Florida.

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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 9, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

All of which are teams that would willingly trade for him

by SanDiegoScraps on Jul 10, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

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