Overlooked Acquisition?
by letsgoflyers21 on Aug 11, 2010 12:45 AM EDT
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PrintThroughout the summer so far in FA, many of us (including myself) have had all our attention in the goaltending spot, and wondering why we have so many defense men. I believe the acquisition of Zherdev was greatly overlooked, and after watching this video I have become extremely anxious to see this guy in the orange and black. He is extremely skilled and has one of the better wrist shots I have seen in a while. If we put this guy on a line with Richards and Carter on the other side, they could do some serious damage. I know that he has had previous problems with being lazy, but if this guy has his head on straight he could easily become a 30 goal scorer playing with skilled line mates. Am I getting my hopes up or is there a reason there hasn't been much hype around Zherdev? (example: laziness and lack of defense?)
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this guy has his head on straight
That’s the problem. Kovalev, Semin, Zherdev, heck, even Malkin. Malkin would be up there with 87 and 8 if he were consistent. Semin would be the best in the game, Kovalev at some point as well. But they’re not, and it’d take a real special coach to change that.
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in 2009 Malkin should have won the MVP he might have had a down year but the guy still scored 28 G and had 77 pts. Kovalev might finish his career with 500G and 1000pts and Semin is a 40 goal guy. Not a bad group of players to be mentioning Zherdev with.
Can they carry a team to the promised land, probably not. But Semin has Ovi, Malkin has Crosby, and Zherdev is not going to be asked to carry anything with our roster. Just help our offense do what you do score goals and at least try to play some D.
2009 Malkin won the Ross. I think you mean 2008, when Sid had around 70 points and Geno was around 110, but that was the season the Caps went from worst to first and AO had 65 goals.
The point was these guys could be a lot more if they had their consistency and mental games in order, at least on the ice.
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by red army line on Aug 11, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Plenty of talk on here for Zherdev
Simply enter his name in the search, you will see a few stories and a ton of comments about him. The consensus is most people are on board with him for 1 year at $2mil, tons of skill, not a lot of D, low risk high reward type thing.
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I would have to agree with you. Zherdev strikes me based on what I have seen, and what I have read, as being what has become the norm for young players from russia (eastern europe). Offensively skilled but not overly concerned with the defensive aspect of the game. Great to have on your team IF you can keep them motivated. I think for a year @ $2M, Zherdev is an acceptable risk that potentially could pay off in a bevy of goals.
Also, I think that Laviolette IS the type of coach that will be able to keep Zherdev’s head on straight. Matched with the right players(skilled offensively but responsible defensively (to cover any defensive lapses Zherdev might have), Zherdev could thrive in Philly. He has the skill to easily top 30 goals. Truly I don’t think anyone would have even batted an eye at this signing had we not had so many cap issues this off-season, that were compounded by some of the more ‘questionable’ moves…
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I think Lavvy will either be the best or worst thing that has happened to Zherdev. I could see him flourishing this year, or quitting on the team b/c he is sick of how hard Lavvy is pushing him.
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I Hope he does well he has a wicked wrist shot it seems in the video…..Not a fan of the dark visor though
I never get tired of you posting this. Seriously.
I also feel like you should post more Auk related pictures.
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The only reason Zherdev was over looked was becuase it was in the midst of the Gagne saga. I’m just a bit angree because I find he’s not an upgrade from Gagne. But Zherdev does have a lot of talent and I hope he proves me wrong.
Age is an upgrade, Offense could be an upgrade, but DEFENSE isn’t even a dropoff, it’s more like plummeting into the Grand Canyon…
Still…I think (again somewhat diminished because of the more ‘questionable’ moves) Zherdev is a more than acceptable risk for a year at $2M…
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Fezzy
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Yeah you’re right he is a good risk, the sad thing is Holmgren could have had both if he would’ve played his cards right. By not signing Shelley and taking a cheap defenseman like Foster or Sutton instead of Meszaros we could’ve possobly have both and have three lines capable of being first lines.
I was taking a look at it, and we would still be short.
Let’s turn back the clock…No Mesz, No Walker, No Shelley = $6.8M in cap space + $877K (that we currently have).
We go inexpensive and sign O’Donnell ($1M), Foster ($1.8M), and re-sign Asham instead of signing Shelley ($800K) = $3.6M
$7.677M – $3.6M only leaves $4.077M, we would still have our 2nd and 4th round picks, BUT would be approx $1M over the cap…
So, who do we let go to clear the $1M we need to clear to keep Gagne and allow some space in case of injury call-ups?
I absolutely agree that we could (and should) have been more…let’s say frugal…with our cap space, but ultimately we would still have had a difficult time in pulling this off…
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Fezzy
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Correction
So get rid of Meszaros, Shelley, and Walker as you said, plus the available cap space would leave $7.677mil of space left.
Losing Shelley Drops you to 12 forwards, bringing back in Gagne, brings you back to 13, so there is no need to really sign Asham. Gagne back leaves you with $2.427mil in cap Space
Losing Meszaros and Walker, drops you to 6 Dmen, adding Foster at $1.8mil bring you back to to 7 Dmen, and leaves your cap at $0.627
The roster is now at 22 players as opposed to 23, but you also have Zherdev and Gagne in the lineup, leaving Carcillo/Powe as your potential scratch for Offense and Bartulis as your 7th Dman with $0.627mil to spare.
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Not quite…
My example, remember, would be without the Walker deal, therefore Gagne would still be on the active roster. So, his $5M would still be counting against our cap.
I just ran the numbers on the capgeek fantasy calculator.
With Meszaros, Walker and Shelley removed from the roster and retaining Gags.
Signing O’Donnell & Foster to the defense would have us at $59,709,762
but that would be 13 forwards and 7 defensemen, Leights & Boosh.
Still would need to fill that 23rd spot on the roster, regardless of how we do it, we are already $310K over the cap, so even a call-up wouldn’t work, someone would have to go (and these figures already have Cote off the roster).
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Fezzy
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You missed it...
Yes, I know, I brought back Gagne (and his $5.25 cap hit) and dropped Walker.
bringing back in Gagne, brings you back to 13, so there is no need to really sign Asham. Gagne back leaves you with $2.427mil in cap Space
And there is no rule of having to carry exactly 23 men on the roster. My numbers are correct, they are the same as yours, just remove Asham, and stick with 22men
So we remove Asham and you have 13 forwards, 7 Dmen, and 2 goalies, which results in a 22man roster, with $627,737 left in Cap Space. This is also according to CapGeek. Like I said the key difference is I’m signing Asham, and I’m going with a 22 man roster as opposed to a 23 man roster. If I need a 23 man roster (which is not required), I’ll go run out and sign peanuts for $500K. I believe you may be counting bonuses against the cap.
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Forgot a word in a sentence
Like I said the key difference is I’m NOT signing Asham
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Ok, we are missing something here. Here is the roster I ran through capgeek’s calculator…
Forwards: Briere, Richards, Carter, Hartnell, Zherdev, JVR, Lappy, Carcillo, Giroux, Leino, Powe, Betts, & Gagne.
Defense: Timonen, Pronger, Carle, Coburn, O’Donnell, Foster, & Bartulis (No matter how I spelled O’Donnell, Capgeek’s calculator would not add his $1.3M cap hit, I had to add that manually)
Goalies: Leighton, Boosh
I came out with a total cap figure of $59,709,762 (without Asham)…
Cheers,
Fezzy
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You are including bonuses
You are using bonuses against the cap. For instance, O’Donnels actual cap hit is $1mil, he has an additional $300K that does not count against the cap. Remove the $937,500 in bonuses from JVR and Walker’s contract and you will get the Cap number.
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Well bonuses technically don’t count against the cap, if a player meets the thresholds for the bonus, the Flyers choose to apply the cap hit to this year or next years cap. So they could push those bonuses out to next years cap, which is why it’s not applied against the cap hit and separated out on capgeek.
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Well, whatever part of the bonuses awarded that fits under this year’s cap at the end count’s against this year’s cap, and I think its actually the overage rolls over as a penalty to next year’s cap. We can’t afford any penalties, though. We need to just act like they’re always there. Remember, if it’s JVR or O’Donnell who gets injured and we need a call up or to sign a free agent, we don’t get that bonus cushion back as actual money to pay another player while they’re on IR.
by DragonGirl0583 on Aug 12, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes I’m aware. This was all a hypothetical of being able to have both Gagne and Zherdev and still an upgraded 3rd pairing. I don’t actually think it would be good to be at a 22 man roster within $600K of the cap, but rather a possibility. And this scenario is possible even if JVR or O’DOnnel get injured as you could replace JVR with Laliberte and O’Donnel with really just about any of the Phantoms D as an emergency 7th man call up if needed and still be under the cap. I’m not advocating this being a comfortable situation, but rather possible. It would only cost them an extra $250K of Cap space they currently have ($877K current versus $627K hypothetical) and a roster player; which, granted, are things I don’t really want to mess with, but none the less, this is possible.
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Ok, then I am confused. I didn’t count or discount anything. All I did was type in the names and capgeek filled in the figures. Are you saying that capgeek will automatically include bonuses? If that is the case, I know where we are crossing wires…Also, I didn’t even include Walker in my roster (or did you mean Foster?)
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Fezzy
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Ok, REALLY confused because neither Foster, nor Walker’s deal indicate any bonuses on them when I went to each individual contract on capgeek…
Cheers,
Fezzy
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O’Donnel and JVR’s contracts have the bonuses. You shouldn’t have to ever add O’Donnell back on to the roster, b/c capgeek should have him there by default. Simply remove Walker, Meszaros, and Shelley, and add $1.8 for Foster, and $5.25 for Gagne. Done
Also make sure you have the Bonus Cushion button checked on Capgeek so it separates out the bonus as separate.
Not sure where you are getting lost unless I’m being very unclear and don’t recognize it.
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Ok, I went to the fantasy calculator, I had to add all of the players by name. I do not see a ‘cap cushion button’.
After I added all the names to be on the roster, I clicked ‘generate roster’…cap geek filled in the rest (i did have ‘cap hit’ checked off rather than ‘salary’)…when doing this if the player is not spelled correctly it will not add his cap hit. No matter how I chose to spell O’Donnell, it would not add his cap hit. I therefore added it to the total the calculator gave me.
Cheers,
Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!
Ok try this link, which is the cap calculator and already has the current team loaded, and select the Flyers team. Then at the top, to the right of where you select team, make sure the Bonus Cushion is selected. Then click the “x” next to Shelley, Meszaros, and Walker to remove them. Then click the “+” to the right of Left Wing and manually add Simon Gagne at a $5,250,000 cap hit. The click the “+” next to Left Defense and manually add in Kurtis Foster at $1,800,000 cap hit.
At the top it will give you the cap payroll, which includes bonuses, the bonuses amount, the roster size, and the cap space (which is the cap ceiling – cap payroll – the bonuses). Hope this solves the issue.
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You can also, drag and drop players (Gagne and Foster), but I figured manually loading them will save you time.
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Ok, now we are on same page…it is the Bonus Cushion (when unchecked I am right where I said $310K OVER)…the ‘Fantasy Calculator’ does not allow you to use the cushion…
You have ‘Exercised the demons, this brain is clear’
Cheers,
Fezzy
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Haha, glad we are there, I was beginning to confuse myself rereading ym posts to make sure I got all the names right.
Yeah the bonus cushion is separated out b/c a team can transfer that cap hit to the next season. Since I am not sure what the bonuses are in JVR’s and O’DOnnell’s contract, I can’t really speculate as to the likelihood of them being met. It is interesting though, that, even with their current roster, if you include the bonuses of JVR and O’Donnell the Flyers would be over the cap by $59,763.
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I have to agree that Zherdev has an awesome upside. If the rumors/stories that he has his head on straight (due to his recent marriage and time in the KHL) are true, then this is a great signing. He is a pure scorer, and has some raw play making ability. Early line combinations show him on a line with Richards and JVR, which if JVR improves and does not regress, could be dominant. Not only do you make up for the possible lack of defensive accountability on the wings with Richards at center, you also have Richards’ puck patience and occasional outstanding vision. Which gives goal scoring wingers like JVR and Zherdev more opportunities to put the puck in the net. Zherdev is also awesome in the shootout. He has a slick no look five-hole shot and a couple of other great dekes that will hopefully lead to more shootout victories for the O&B.
I am extremely excited to watch the Flyers this season. Especially on the new LED HDTV I am saving up for…hehehe.
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