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Thursday Morning Fly By: The Truth Comes Out

Name that Former Flyer!

Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...

  • A chart depicting the Kovalchuk contract in comparison to the other four being investigated: [James Mirtle]
  • Mike Richards is conducting his fifth annual hockey camp: [Kenora Daily]
  • Chris Pronger won't be 100% by training camp: [Flyer & Ice]
  • Remember the Prince of Wales engraving? The photographer defends himself: [Chibdm's Blog]
  • Then the Hockey Hall of Fame admits its mistake, proving him honest: [Puck Daddy]
  • Lastly, at the Phillies game last night I saw Jim Jackson.  He changed his look: [BroadStHockey]

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Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.

by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 12, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

McFly!

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Aug 12, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very nice. Kudos.

Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.

by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 12, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re my…density.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Aug 12, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

that was George >.>

by ic0n67 on Aug 12, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know, but I love the quote.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Aug 12, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Marty Murray. Super nice guy.

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by DLJr on Aug 12, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

But I think It has to go to Michael4L anyway.

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Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.

by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 12, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough. I just meant beating me with the last name.

by DragonGirl0583 on Aug 12, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Truth.

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Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.

by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 12, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah it definitely goes to Michael. I just figured I throw it out there.

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by DLJr on Aug 12, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, didn’t really know the rules of this name that Flyer game. Just thought it was super cool to see Marty Murray on the front page. Always was a huge fan of his for his two years or so in Philly with the Flyers and Phantoms.

Great hockey player and a super nice guy. Not a guy who is going to go down in the books as an NHL star by any means, but he’s still a pro in his late 30s and is a very very solid guy for the AHL. Props to him for living the dream and making a living off the sport despite not being an NHL regular. Not everyone can be.

by Michael4L on Aug 12, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think there are official rules, but we always like to keep track of these trivial things.

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by DLJr on Aug 12, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, yeah, there are no rules. Just wanted to make sure you knew who it was.

Murray was always a favorite of mine too.

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Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.

by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 12, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

So was George McFly…

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Fezzy
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Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Phillies are rubbing off on JJ

Sporting the goat.

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by doubleh on Aug 12, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

It’s definitely better than clean shaven.

by DragonGirl0583 on Aug 12, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

My husband has the same kind of face, so he has the goat, too. It just makes them look less youthful (and fat in the face).

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Aug 12, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I don’t like it.

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Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.

by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 12, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I always thought the mustache alone looked a little…weak. Clean shaven was worse. I think the goat gives him a ‘Flyer’ edge. Now he looks like he will hip check you into the boards while calling the play LOL!

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Richards – Bad Ass Nice Guy

"As long as there's sex and drugs, I can do without the Rock N Roll"
Mick Shrimpton

by stubborne on Aug 12, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

A Google search for “The Garrett Klotz Argument” with quotes came up empty.

The name is there for the taking. Anyone wanna form a band? I’m primarily a guitarist but I can also play bass and keyboards. I can do drums if need be, but I’m pretty rusty.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Aug 12, 2010 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Play guitar and a little bass and keys, primarily a singer…We may need some WD-40…LOL!

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can play the cowbell.

by Phalange on Aug 12, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Without a doubt, we NEED MORE COWBELL!!!

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who needs drums when you have cowbell?

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Aug 12, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hold on, I hate to stop you but…I NEED MORE COWBELL!!!

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I Said...

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

who can slap some bass?

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Champion of the Sun.

by Daym4n on Aug 12, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

How come everything I do always sounds like a leprechaun?

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Aug 12, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

slappa da bass?

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Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.

by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 12, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Aug 12, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

You start slapping fish and we will have PETA all over us

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then we can slap PETA with fish. It’s a win-win situation

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Aug 12, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

We should use…BOOMERANG FISH!!!

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well played. Oh, Lew Zealand, you crazy, crazy muppet…

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Aug 12, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Fish-Slapping Dance!

I’m having too much fun with Google image search today…

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Aug 12, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

LMFAO!

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

DROP THAT FISH!

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mine?

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Aug 12, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

OMG ROFPMSL!…Sir please stop the blog I need to get off…

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can slap some bass, but not any caught bass.

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Good bye #12, you will always bleed Orange and Black.

by Lindbergh 31 on Aug 12, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once the band is together, let me know and you can tour with Electric Dream Machine and Chemical Toilet.

Fighter of the Nightman.
Champion of the Sun.

by Daym4n on Aug 12, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I play trombone.

But it is most definitely NOT rusty.

If you know what I mean.

(Kids, go ask your parents.)

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Aug 12, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually play bass primarily, and not rusty at all, very musical person. The Garrett Klotz Argument… sounds cool.

What style are we looking?

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Good bye #12, you will always bleed Orange and Black.

by Lindbergh 31 on Aug 12, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a good question.

We should be like The Postal Service and send each other tracks in the mail. Like maybe I’ll come up with a guitar riff and a beat and I’ll send that to you. You can lay down a bass line and send it to Hintzy for trombone lines. Then Hintzy can send it to Fezz for vocals.

Did I miss anyone?

Anyway we should debut with an EP titled There’s No Winning… so that people read it as There’s No Winning The Garrett Klotz Argument. Then we can let loose with the more ambitious Through The Wickets of Kuo.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Aug 13, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can play a mean triangle…just saying.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Aug 13, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

We will DEFINITELY need triangle, trombone and other instruments for the over-the-top Through The Wickets of Kuo. Trust me on this.

Travis, can you play zither? If not, can you learn?

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Aug 13, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

You need to find someone to play electric sitar. Criss Oliva used one on a track for Edge of Thorns, and it has an awesome sound.

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Aug 13, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have a pedal that does that with my guitar, but it won’t be “authentic”.

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by DLJr on Aug 13, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Someone can get a Coral / Danelectro sitar guitar.

I used to own a sitar but I never mastered it. It’s very different from playing guitar.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Aug 13, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

We will most definaitely need some pan-flute for The Wickets of Kuo

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 13, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are a few other EPs that need to be done:
Making
The Return Of
Lines From
What The Hell Is

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by The Dark on Aug 13, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lines From will be the double-live album.
What The Hell Is will be the greatest hits record (re-mastered with bonus tracks).
Making will be the boxed set.
The Return Of will be a failed experiment of us trying to be a psychobilly band.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Aug 13, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok…count me in for the psychobilly band…there really aren’t enough of them around.

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by DLJr on Aug 13, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

This all sounds perfect

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 13, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha I like the idea. You are coming up with names and stuff, I can’t ever name music, to me it’s “riff 1” or “bass diddy 4”.

I like the idea with all of these obscure instruments. I didn’t mention that I also play sax but I’d have to refresh. I used to play the bassoon in HS, that’s an out there instrument, but unfortunately they are very expensive and after I graduated I had to give mine back to the school.

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Good bye #12, you will always bleed Orange and Black.

by Lindbergh 31 on Aug 13, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Man, if you still played bassoon we could be another Henry Cow!

Instead of “Tell of the birth / Tell how war appeared on Earth” we could be all “Just for a laugh / Let’s select Klotz in the draft.”

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Aug 13, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK, weirdness…I was also a bassoonist (as well as a mallet percussionist) in HS. I started on percussion and transitioned to bassoon because all of our bassoonists either graduated or moved in one summer.

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Aug 13, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

We will definitely need your services on Through The Wickets of Kuo.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Aug 13, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m presuming mostly for vibes, since that’s appropriately psychedlic ;)

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Aug 13, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Weirdness indeed. The odds of two bassoon players on this board are crazy. I thin in my entire life with all the bands I’ve been in I’ve met a total of 5 bassoonists. The guy who I succeeded because he graduated and I wanted to learn it. Another kid in the county that was in symphony. One on a band trip with an all state band. And the kid who I taught who replaced me. Finally one band director in the area played bassoon. So yeah, 5, now 6. Us bassoonists are few and far between, but I really love the instrument and want to get one of my own someday.

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Good bye #12, you will always bleed Orange and Black.

by Lindbergh 31 on Aug 13, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you’re the fifth one I’ve known – there was another guy who learned at the same time I did, as the replacements to the ones that left. My junior year, we got two new bassoonists. In my senior year we had another freshman bassoonist come into the band. I will note that we were a huge school for music – there were three upperclassman bands (Wind Ensemble, Symphonic Band, and Concert Band) and two freshman bands, plus jazz and percussion ensembles. My senior year I was playing bassoon for two upperclassman bands and percussion for the third, as well as playing in the percussion ensemble.

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Aug 13, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, I can’t imagine a band with three bassoonists.

I went to a school where music was big but not as huge as yours. We had a Stage Band (Jazz band), concert band, and Marching Band. The area had a youth symphony which I was a part of for only two years.

I was on a band trip to Europe, big thing but I was the only Bassoonist surprisingly, where there was a choir and everything going all around. For the lions club all state band trip I did the one bassoonist had been playing his entire music life, so that was cool to play with him.

I forgot one, in my senior year the principal musicians in the youth symphony were invited to play with the regular symphony for one concert, and the principal bassoonist I never met until then. Where I went to high school the area a lot of the musicians knew each other and knew the good high school musicians (and everybody knows my sax teacher lol). All the area band directors were in the symphony, so the other bassoonist in the symphony is the one director I mentioned before.

But I had to self teach myself the instrument over a summer between my Freshman year and Sophomore year since there was going to be no bassoon in concert band. I unfortunately never made district band or any further (but made county band all 3 years). Cool thing is that the kid I taught to replace me made District Band, Region band, and All-State band in PA, so that was good.

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Good bye #12, you will always bleed Orange and Black.

by Lindbergh 31 on Aug 13, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I went to a huge school down here – we had almost 5,000 students my senior year. About 350 were in band at various levels. I did All-County for percussion, but never for bassoon, since I started doing mallets when I was 8. My senior year, I sat first chair mallet, while my protege for percussion was second chair drums/auxiliary. Our symphony had actually ceased performing while I was in middle school; a lot of the musicians in the area ended up performing for Disney.

Bassoon is an instrument that’s good to learn for educational reasons. I was actually offered two different scholarships without auditioning based on tapes that college directors had gotten of judged concerts I played in. I ended up turning them both down, since I had burned out from playing too much my senior year.

By the end of that year, I was playing bassoon for the Wind Ensemble, Concert Band, one of the freshman bands (they were performing a piece that needed a bassoon, and our freshman bassoonist was in the other freshman band), and an outside concert group, and playing percussion for the Symphonic Band, the percussion ensemble, and our Winter Drumline. It ended up just being too much. I taught percussion for a year in college, and played two more concerts on bassoon, but haven’t done anything organized muscally for at least five years.

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Aug 13, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

This list of credentials doesn’t fit your name as well as I would have liked it to have.

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by DLJr on Aug 13, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m a walking contradiction – my MP3 playlist has Metal Church, Santana, Pink Floyd, and Barenaked Ladies featuring prominently. I’m in Florida and I like hockey. I’m a percussionist who can’t play drum set, and a mallet player that doesn’t play keyboard. Heck, I played catcher in Little League and goalie in soccer. That alone should be enough to warn anyone that I’m a bit unique ;)

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Aug 13, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

(this is replying to both your posts)

That is crazy a large school. Mine had 1200 and is the largest in the area. I never got any scholarships for bassoon but that is mostly because I didn’t persue music in college. But that’s a lot of bands. My senior year I did Marching, Concert, Jazz, Symphony, and a community band as well as taking sax lessons every week (funny because I only did sax in marching band, but they were great lessons).

And that’s a nice mix of music. haha nothing wrong with beign a walking contradiction.

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Good bye #12, you will always bleed Orange and Black.

by Lindbergh 31 on Aug 13, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool I have all those bands in my collection too…
Nothing wrong with unique, thats what The Garrett Klotz Argument is all about LOL!

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 13, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you play drums standing up, like Mo Tucker from The Velvet Underground?

If so, we’re going to have us a primal, rockin’ good time.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Aug 13, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

And of course we all know that Bassoon players get all the chicks

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 13, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am also fairly adept at writing lyrics, but we definitely need to decide on a style so I know what to write lol

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 13, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Side 1, Track 1 of: There’s No Winning?

“My Photosynthesizing Friends”

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 13, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Track 2:

“Size Matters”

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Aug 13, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Track 3:

“Don’t Provoke Zombie Geoff!”

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 13, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Garrett Klotz Argument?

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 13, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

YOU saw JJ? More like you blindly walked by JJ only to turn around and snap a pic after I pointed him out. Credit where credit is due Deeetwheeler, credit where credit is due!

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Aug 12, 2010 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Don’t provoke Zombie Geoff!

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Aug 12, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which coincidentally would also be a great band name…

Appearing tonight: Zombie Geoff with special guest The Garrett Klotz Argument

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

And when the fish slappin starts, Zombie Geoff always brings his own weapon…

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, yes. I blindly walked past, but you could only muster an identification. I promptly shouted “Bring back the ’Stache!” as soon as I was aware it was him. Yes, he heard me. At which point, it was I who decided we were going to turn around, take pictures, and wait for him to get off the air. At which point I spoke to him again.

And yes, during the entire time you stood there, silent, like a 12-year old girl who just saw Justin Bieber order a Pepsi.

Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.

by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 12, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

lawyered

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by DLJr on Aug 12, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sheesh, I’d hate to see what happened if you guys ever ran into him somewhere random, like the way I’ve seen these guys at the grocery store around here.

by DragonGirl0583 on Aug 12, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Off topic, but I always see Wanda Sykes all the time, and it’s always awkward, particularly in line at the grocery store. She wants so little to do with being bothered that if you even look at her, she will immediately look down and pull out her Blackberry. Though I guess living in a small town is tough for any celebrity.

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by DLJr on Aug 12, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just shake a drink at her and smile from across the room.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Aug 12, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I ever saw Wanda Sykes in a line at a store I would love to try to renact her scene from Clerks 2. That was so funny when Earthquake says “you can’t taste racism baby”.

by chrislanci on Aug 12, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, they don’t exactly want people fawning over them in the grocery store asking for their autograph. They’re all different, some don’t care if you toss out a brief comment, or give them a compliment about something that happened recently, and some want to be left alone. But that’s across the board, because we get Phillies, Flyers, and sometimes even Eagles in our grocery stores. If you ran into Roenick back in the day at what used to be a Super G and you threw out a “Hey, nice goal last night” as you went by, he’d grin make a remark in response. Other guys would not be happy, even if you didn’t try to stop them and talk to them. Bobby Abreu used to joke around with the regular employees at the same store. It’s a mix, but they’re normal people too, so some like attention more than others.

It’s harder trying to restrain yourself from talking to them, though, when you’re are the next table over at the pub or the pizza places they hang out in.

by DragonGirl0583 on Aug 12, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I frequently she her walking the main street and in one restaurant/bar in particular. People who don’t live in the town always make a big deal, and I can see it getting annoying (for instance the group of kids who followed her in to the pharmacy, or the 50 people that stop her when she has her kids in a stroller). The people that live in the town are either her friend or know her preference to be left alone.

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by DLJr on Aug 12, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, pretty much the same thing as around here. The people who go to those places are much more blasé about it. One person looks at their companion and goes “Oh hey look, Hartnell and Cote are at the table in the corner”, and the conversation moves on. No approaching and harassing the players or anything.

by DragonGirl0583 on Aug 12, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I’d imagine it’s a lot easier for regulars too. If I walked in there, I’d probably be like “Oh shit, there’s Hartnell and Cote.” Talk about it for awhile, debate what to do, etc. But if that’s the 5th time that month I ran into them (like I’m sure you do), I’d just be like, “Wonder what they got today.”

Works both ways, I’m sure.

Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.

by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 12, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, seeing them that often would require me to go out to eat/drink a lot more. By a lot of people I know work in said grocery stores, so they have players and their wives come through their line all the time.

by DragonGirl0583 on Aug 12, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Used to be in the Svc Dept of a rather well-known Philly Car Dealer (whose name I will omit for various reasons), We would get the occasional Philly, Flyer or Phantom (when they were in Philly) come through, but we got a TON of Eagles players. Over my 2 years there I found that if you don’t make a fuss and just treat them like a regular customer (ok maybe a little better then a regular customer) they were very cool. Hugh Douglas was very cool, he would hang at the write up desk and talk football while his car was in, other guys the like Asante Samuel would go to the owners office and hang there while they waited.
They are all different. Main thing is, they may be in the limelight, but they do have families and are entitled to some modicum of privacy. So don’t bother them if they are in a restaurant with their wife and children, don’t ask for an autograph at the urinal…Its best to try and put yourself in their shoes and honestly think, would you want to be bothered in that situation? If the answer is no, LEAVE THEM ALONE!

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by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a couple of ways I handle encounters with athletes/musicians:

1- Just say thanks
2- Pick the most obscure thing about them and put it out there (goal is a smile or a nod of acknowledgment)
3- Purposely confuse them with someone of their era etc (best example was seeing Elway outside his house (I know his neighbors in Denver) and asking "how ya doing Mr. Marino).

"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."

by boknows71 on Aug 12, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once before a Barenaked Ladies concert, the band was out mingling with the audience in the lobby and I got into a good conversation with them about hockey. :-p

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by hintzy64 on Aug 12, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is too weird, this one time I before a hockey game, the players were outside and we got into a good conversation about Barenaked Ladies…

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by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha, awesome.

Yeah, it was good fun, and I enjoyed giving them a break from “can I have your autograph?” and “omigod I love your music!”. At least I hope they viewed it as a break…

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by hintzy64 on Aug 12, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, depends who it is. Boucher? Train-wreck. Leighton? Smooth Operator.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 12, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve suddenly got this vision in my head of a group of us all sitting at lunch in a restaurant in this area and Boosh and his wife and kids are at a table in the same room, and you’re fidgeting and trying to keep yourself from walking over there. Haha

by DragonGirl0583 on Aug 12, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that’s accurate. Also if I was there you’d hear a very massive two-person “OH MY GOD!” as soon as he walked in the door.

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by KreiderDesigns on Aug 12, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol, then a loud crash as I immediately knock something over.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 12, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, I just got the same image. It wouldn’t be pretty.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 12, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Objection on the grounds that I don’t think you could ever pull off Smooth Operator.

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by KreiderDesigns on Aug 12, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, oh, I definitely could.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 12, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to have to go to the judge, TotallyWerthIt, on this one.

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by KreiderDesigns on Aug 12, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Get the bat signal out. She doesn’t read the comments.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 12, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would she really answer the bat signal? I think she’s just be like “what the…”

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by KreiderDesigns on Aug 12, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you texted her, maybe

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by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 12, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

No i meant the literal bat signal…twas a joke.

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by KreiderDesigns on Aug 12, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

We still need the DG Signal…

just sayin’

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by The Dark on Aug 12, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still don’t get why we need that… I never leave, how hard can I be to summon?

by DragonGirl0583 on Aug 12, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally, I just look in the mirror and say your name three times. Pretty simple.

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by hintzy64 on Aug 12, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

You two really do make an adorable couple

Is this the right room for an argument?

by DLJr on Aug 12, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa whoa whoa. You have a vivid imagination sir. You want to take over Slap Schtick with that writing prowess you just displayed?

I, like polite fan, admired from a far. You as a loud-mouthed d-bag shouted at a man doing a radio broadcast. Just poor form. You said “I kinda want to go take a picture.” At which point I agreed and we both ditched our girlfriends to do so. When we went back you got a pic b/c my camera phone sucks and when he was done he ACKNOWLEDGED you. You didn’t hold a conversation or anything. You are misrepresenting the situation.

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by KreiderDesigns on Aug 12, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s accurate too.

But my depiction is a LOT cooler.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 12, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Justin Bieber has Lego-man hair.

John Darnielle FTW.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Aug 12, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’d listen to Justin Bieber cover Up The Wolves, don’t lie.

by ohnickels on Aug 12, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t imagine him saying “It’s gonna take you people years to recover from all the damage!”

It would be fantastic and horrible.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Aug 12, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you. I would have yelled exactly the same thing if I had the chance.

by tmurder on Aug 12, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

So can we all agree sbaicker is a douchebag?

by BroadStreetBully on Aug 12, 2010 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

You’ve come to this conclusion how?

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by KreiderDesigns on Aug 12, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reading Millhouser’s post. Baicker decided to ignore the first rule of journalism.

by BroadStreetBully on Aug 12, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is just because no one who considers themselves journalist follow any rules of journalism

by ic0n67 on Aug 12, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sorry, I’m confused. What is your argument? Also, what, praytell, is the 1st rule of journalism?

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by KreiderDesigns on Aug 12, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

My guess is something along the lines of not trying to corroborate a source. You should try to find at least two independent sources to confirm a fact. From the sounds of the article posting that the source even tried to speak to the author, which is something the author should have done. A quick phone call to check the source would have been nice and probably should have been done. Just dismissing something like that isn’t good journalism …

OR I’m totally off on what BroadStreetBully is talking about …

by ic0n67 on Aug 12, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Having a bad source doesn’t make you a bad journalist and it certainly doesn’t make you a douchebag. Can women even be douchebags? I feel like that’s offensive.

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by KreiderDesigns on Aug 12, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

The bad source wasn’t her fault
The not talking to the original picture taker when he wanted to talk is her fault
and technically no.

by ic0n67 on Aug 12, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

True.

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by KreiderDesigns on Aug 12, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s my way. I don’t actually feel she’s a bag of douche. She’s probably a pretty nice person that I’d get along with and have a few beers together. I’m just pissed that she called someone a liar and didn’t have the balls to tell them to their face, all under the auspices of “journalism”

by BroadStreetBully on Aug 12, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone can be a douchebag. Hell, an object can be a douchebag. If a tree runs into your shoulder without apologizing, that tree is a douchebag.

by Snevik on Aug 12, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still, feels kind of wrong to call a woman a douchebag.

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by KreiderDesigns on Aug 12, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Considering they are the ones who actually use them, it’s probably more apt.

Douche just literally means shower, though, so it’s not really all that insulting to me. That four-letter one is the one I don’t like.

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by doubleh on Aug 12, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can see that. However, to me, it seems like calling a woman that implies some sort of uncleanliness. Whereas calling a guy a douchebag just means he’s…well a douchebag. I guess that doesn’t make any sense.

I also agree about the four letter one…regardless of which one you mean.

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by KreiderDesigns on Aug 12, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The one that starts with the “c”. I consider it the “n” word for women. Women can call other women that, though it’s low-class, but if a man uses it…he should be swiftly kicked in the twig and berries.

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by doubleh on Aug 12, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree douchebag is a legitimate and acceptable derogatory comment to insult men and women alike.

by Prometheus74 on Aug 12, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

calling anyone, man or woman, the “c” word is the worst thing to call someone IMO

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by JpH89 on Aug 12, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are mostly used by gay guys now a day, according Demigod of Sex Knowledge, Dan Savage.

by Snevik on Aug 12, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, they are completely unhealthy, not to mention unecessary.

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by doubleh on Aug 12, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to start using the term “shower bag” and see what happens.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Aug 12, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to vehemently disagree. She called the Hockey Hall of Fame and they told her the trophy wasn’t engraved yet. The Hockey Hall of Fame messed up twice.

Did she have a bad source? Yeah. But she’s the only one who actually called the HHOF

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by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 12, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much what I was going to say – bad information from a source doesn’t mean the journalist is bad. Wysh’s post even explains what may have happened – the source got confused on which PoW trophy (the secondary one in the HoF or the traveler) was being discussed; one had been engraved, the other hadn’t.

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by The Dark on Aug 12, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will forever fear the wrath of Baicker.

Though I’m disappointed, she sent me her Shelley theory, and I didn’t disagree with it but posed some stuff to her back with some advanced stats (basically why Shelley and Lappy aren’t good comparisons), and I got nothing in return. However, I’m sure she’s actually busy working at her job, while I’m here slacking and posting on this site.

Is this the right room for an argument?

by DLJr on Aug 12, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or your argument made sense and she was cutting her loses instead of having you one up her in private.

by ic0n67 on Aug 12, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn’t an argument, just a discussion and very polite. I was just a little disappointed not to even get an ‘interesting’, or an ‘agree to disagree’.

Is this the right room for an argument?

by DLJr on Aug 12, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I use “argument” very loosely … she was more than willing to come here and comment on a negative comment, but when you threw the facts of your argument out there she disappears …

… I mean hey I take crap about not thinking Cindy is awesome (and prolly rightfully so) but you don’t see me blowing someone off when they throw the argument back.

by ic0n67 on Aug 12, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha true, but I have to respect the fact that she probably has better things to do than to have that discussion with me. I don’t want to bad mouth her for it, just stating my disappointment in it.

I’m doing my best to be more polite hahaha.

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by DLJr on Aug 12, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at all the interesting / important stuff the other hockey writers around here are doing. She should have plenty of time to deal with DLJr.

by chrislanci on Aug 12, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

she had plenty of time to come to these boards and call him (her?) out before

by ic0n67 on Aug 12, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha I’m a him (D = Don)…and I appreciate the support.

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by DLJr on Aug 13, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the comparison is way off, but maybe she meant off-ice. Either way, it’s not like Shelley is a defensive sieve.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 12, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was just a contract thing really, not the players necessarily. I don’t really want to bring up the specifics b/c I don’t want to misrepresent any of her points, just more so disappointed that the conversation ended after she gave me her theory on Shelley.

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by DLJr on Aug 12, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah. Very fair and diplomatic.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 12, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m working on it ;)

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by DLJr on Aug 12, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds to me like just a shitty job by the HOF to spin a mistake instead of just saying “crap yeah we muffed that one” Yeah she did what she should have and called the HoF. From the sounds of it though it seems like the guy who took the picture wanted to give his side of the story which she also should have looked into.

by ic0n67 on Aug 12, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s go over the facts.

So, we had to wonder: Are these photos truly an engraving error, or just a great example of Photoshop tomfoolery?

To get the answer, we went straight to the source

Wait… what? The source was Millhouser. Instead of tracking him down and e-mailing/calling, she looked at the business card hanging in her office and called the HHOF instead. She’s not getting points for being lazy.

And as it turns out, just like we thought, they’re fake."

Always great when a journalist goes into a story with predisposition. Another mark against.

The spokesman said both trophies will be engraved later this summer, but a date hasn’t yet been determined.

The HHOF came out and said they made a mistake. They said

“The person that was speaking with the media thought they meant the trophy at the Hall of Fame at that day,” said Masse. “When the Prince of Wales Trophy is traveling, there’s a secondary trophy here for the fans to see at the Hall. That one has not been engraved yet. The one that was in Chicago was engraved.”

So they realized they made a mistake, and said as much. Their mistake was confusing one trophy for the other. That’s fine. Baicker suggests that the spokesman said both trophies weren’t engraved. Going with her run of bad journalism, I’m going to go ahead and assume she made that part up too.

Piss poor journalism.

by BroadStreetBully on Aug 12, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you know exactly what the HHoF spokesman said and know that it’s wrong of Baicker to suggest they said both. Even if they did tell her that?

I also find it funny that in your post chastising predisposition you say:

I’m going to go ahead and assume she made that part up too.

Very amusing. Once again, writing one bad article or getting a bad quote from someone does not make someone a douchebag.

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by KreiderDesigns on Aug 12, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Big difference : I’m not a journalist.

And I never said I knew what the spokesman said. I said that given her article’s lack of fact checking and bias, I’d assume she made the rest of it up as well.

Please try and do a better job of reading the post next time before criticizing it blindly.

by BroadStreetBully on Aug 12, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know you aren’t a journalist, and I’m not holding you to any standard. I just said it was amusing.

Baicker suggests that the spokesman said both trophies weren’t engraved.

If that’s what he told her, then her “suggesting” it isn’t a mistake and to assume it’s wrong puts the onus on the spokesman and not on the journalist.

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by KreiderDesigns on Aug 12, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

The “both trophies” in her article refers to the Prince of Wales and the Stanley Cup, not the Prince of Wales and the Secret Alternate Prince of Wales. At the time she (and most of us?) didn’t realize there was a secondary trophy for the HOF when the real thing goes traveling. Should she have talked to the guy who took the pictures? Yeah, probably, but not doing so doesn’t immediately make her a hack. She did more investigating on the subject than any other beat writer out there.

by ohnickels on Aug 12, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have doubles for a lot of the trophies so when they are travelling (the Cup is with going around with the team members, for example) the tourists have something to stare at.

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by hintzy64 on Aug 12, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully Jodey Shelley can beat up the next person who lies or misinforms Sarah Baicker. From reporting on Flyers arbitration, to the Flyers Trophies, everyone goes pinocchio on her.

Personally the newest excuse from the HOF spokesman is some of the best BS I have herd in a while.

I read comments when this 1st occurred about how people who at the HOF in Toronto and could not see any of the trophies because they went to the Hawks Convention.
However, if it is true……..Did Richards chose to pick up wrong trophy your not supposed to touch?

by Prometheus74 on Aug 12, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting hypothesis Holmes, so you think Moriarty may have placed the back-up trophy in place of the actual trophy. Thus setting off an entirely different chain of events when Mr. Richards lifted the trophy. Brilliant Homes, but how do we prove it?

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by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dust both trophies for fingerprints, and see if any match Richards?

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Aug 12, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’ll be the only set on there…

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Aug 12, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you suggesting Richards has an identical twin running around?

by Prometheus74 on Aug 12, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, no, I was getting to the point that most players refuse to touch it. (And the handlers wear gloves.) :-p

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Aug 12, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus not to mention identical twins do not have the same fingerprints. They will give the same DNA profile though. (I’m finishing up a Master’s in Forensic Science so I should know these things).

Your joke was funny, nobody wants to touch the trophy. But yeah, the fact that they have their gloves on when they touch it (at least on the ice, I don’t know when they got to the locker room) may make it hard for fingerprints. Plus we do have to worry about contamination from Sidney Crosby lol

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by Lindbergh 31 on Aug 12, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is the most common genetic marker used for DNA profiling?

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by ToddtheFox on Aug 12, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

My thesis is on DNA so I know quite a lot about it.

All human DNA is filled with things called “Short Tandem Repeats” (STR’s) which are short DNA sequences in areas of your DNA that aren’t used for your normal coding (i.e. genes that make up your eye color, height, hair color, etc.). Forensic labs measure the length of these repeats on 15 different chromosomes. They pick ones that are widely spread to give a lot of variation which makes individualizing the profile to a single individual easier.

When the DNA is analyzed the length of these STR’s are shown as peaks (kind of like a graph) and a number is assigned to that peak. From that they just do statistics using all the numbers comparing to all possible profile results are possible and determine that this DNA profile is as unique as 1 in 1 trillion. If you get a perfect result you can get it that unique, in other words you will need about 150 times the total population of Earth to possibly find the same combination, which is why DNA is a “Gold Standard”.

Interesting thing is that from a Forensic DNA profile, the only thing you can determine about somebody by looking at is if they are Male or Female. You can’t tell skin color, eye color, height, or any other identifying characteristics.

I hope that helped and wasn’t confusing. I’ll clarify whatever is fuzzy.

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by Lindbergh 31 on Aug 12, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, I was just curious to know what marker was used. When I learnt about forensics they were talking about using RFLP and AFLP, but I was wondering if they had adopted something better.

My thesis is using microsatellites to determine genetic structure in endangered plant populations, which is basically forensics.

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by ToddtheFox on Aug 12, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh sorry I didn’t know you were a scientist so I tried to generalize what I posted. I wasn’t sure what audience I needed to cater to, so sorry for insulting your intelligence.

I’ll be more specific then, I believe the lab I intern at uses the RFLP marker (I actually don’t know about the AFLP one, my major is specifically Forensic Science so they teach us a lot of everything in science and how it’s applied. A lot of theory stuff especially now with my writing I have had to read to understand). All of the primers we use are primate specific, both for quanting the DNA as well as doing the PCR to get the profile.

Glad to have a fellow scientist on here, then we can say crazy stuff to confuse everybody. And you’re doing DNA, awesome!!! And it is basically what we do in forensics, so it’s fun.

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by Lindbergh 31 on Aug 12, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is a convo that a business major shouldnt even read. woo mama, lots of big words

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by JpH89 on Aug 12, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Science is all about taking long words or processes and then making clever anagrams about them that don’t actually fit.

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by ToddtheFox on Aug 12, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, well, by some miracle, I got an A in all my science classes. Also, I took an environmental science class my senior year in HS and we learned how the same type of plant has a diffrent structure depending on its environment.

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by JpH89 on Aug 12, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Phenotype = Genotype + Environment!!!

Did plants then become your favourite thing in the world? Yeah me too.

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by ToddtheFox on Aug 12, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was so happy when Olimar was a playable character on Smash Bros.

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by ToddtheFox on Aug 12, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome getting A’s. Me being a science major didn’t get straight A’s in science (had a few B’s, one bad class had a C) but awesome getting that.

And I’d get totally lost with business terms, especially when it’s business legal terms or taxes (I did bookkeeping before and I hated calculating the tax for some reason).

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by Lindbergh 31 on Aug 12, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anything accounting is evil. Especially since I did my bachelor’s pre-Sarbanes-Oxley and my master’s post-SO, so I had to go back and do tax accounting again. I somehow got an A in financial accounting, but it was by sheer memorization of what to do, not actually understanding the underlying principles.

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by The Dark on Aug 13, 2010 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Accounting can be evil. Some things I’m like “duh” and others I just get confused and don’t understand it. I was fine with doing sales and calculating stuff, but when it came to Balance Sheets I just got lost. Maybe because I was using Quickbooks and I never was taught the software.

And I have no clue what Sarbanes-Oxley even means lol.

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by Lindbergh 31 on Aug 13, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Translation for hockey fans

“I took an accounting course…I’ve never heard of Sarbanes-Oxley”

In hockey-speak,

“I’ve a big hockey fan….Bobby Orr, who’s that?”

(S-O changes acctg like #4 changed D).

But Lindbergh, this isn’t on you, this is on your prof.

Raul Ibanez: since Moyer is on the DL, he is fast becoming our favorite old guy.

Rooting against a certain LW for the Tampa Bay Lightning will be impossible.

by Bud in TN on Aug 13, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well my only accounting class I ever took was Principles of Accounting in high school, never took any in college so I think that Sarbanes-Oxley wasn’t important in high school.

I looked it up and to me it makes sense what The Dark said about pre Sarbanes-Oxley, since I read about it and it is a huge reform with larger corporations and their regulations, so it looks like a great thing, just something I never studied in High School and was never mentioned at the bookkeeping job I did (for a small business so maybe that’s why)

And who is Bobby Orr? Never heard of him.
/joking

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Good bye #12, you will always bleed Orange and Black.

by Lindbergh 31 on Aug 14, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heck, depending on your age, it may not have been in effect when you took Principles of Accounting. SOX took effect between when I took accounting for my BA and when I started my MBA, which was only about a 3 year gap.

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Aug 16, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh no problem. It’s never bad to have a refresher!

Only primate specific? Just in case a gang of gorillas robs a bank? Why not fully human specific?

Hah, molecular biology FTW.

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Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Aug 12, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, yeah we need to have that online in case we have a band of damn dirty apes committing crimes in NYC.

But seriously, I really don’t know why they are primate specific primers. I guess they are easier or cheaper to make than just a human specific one, and the chances of finding a primate at a crime scene are so low that it won’t matter.

But again the primate specific primers I was talking are for the DNA quantitation only. We use a real time PCR system to quant (what do you use). The primers for the amping are human specific (I think, not sure, but again what I said about finding gorillas or chimps at a crime scene are so low).

lol, I think we lost the rest of the community with this, lol molecular biology FTW indeed!

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by Lindbergh 31 on Aug 12, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It really seems weird that human specific aren’t used. Typcially we would start with a less specific primer to amplify a sequence we don’t know much about and then increase specificity from there.

For quantifying DNA we just use spectrophotometry, but for genotyping microsat length we use fluroescence and capillary sequencing, like normal Sanger sequencing.

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Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Aug 13, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I see what you mean about the primer.

At the lab I intern at they use mass produced kits by Applied Biosystems or Qiagen. The procedures we follow are in a manual that was formulated by many people over the years and the methods validated and such and the lab is accredited and all that jazz, so I don’t know why it’s a primate specific. I used to think it was human specific until somebody informed me otherwise. I should ask somebody in the training group why it’s primate specific.

And for genotyping stuff we do the PCR and that attaches fluorescent tags to the DNA and we use Capillary Electrophoresis to determine it (we probably do a similar thing).

I’ll let you know if I find out why it’s a primate specific and not human specific.

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Good bye #12, you will always bleed Orange and Black.

by Lindbergh 31 on Aug 13, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is however…

an Evil Monkey that lives in my closet…

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 13, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Evil Monkey FTW!!

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Good bye #12, you will always bleed Orange and Black.

by Lindbergh 31 on Aug 13, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice avatar.

Praise Bob!

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Aug 12, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moses parted the Red Sea, Oppenheimer split the atom, but “Bob” cut the crap.

by Prometheus74 on Aug 12, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok…

Eric you check both trophies for any prints, specifically those not belonging to Mr. Richards, employees of the HOF, or the Flyers…

Speed, I want you to take this fiber I found near the trophy table over to trace, it look like the cheap polyester used for a suit a commissioner would wear, I want to know for sure…

(Puts sunglasses on, places hands on hips)

I am going to have a little chat with a certain engraver…

(que music – “Won’t Get Fooled Again”)

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Meet the new boss……..same as the old boss

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Aug 12, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are WAY too many The Who references around here >.>

by ic0n67 on Aug 12, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

its only fanblog wasteland…? stretching it? yeah.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Aug 12, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry been watching the first 2 seasons of CSI:Miami on DVD last 2 weeks…LOL!
Couldn’t resist the Horatio Caine crime scene breakdown…

Cheers,

Fezzy
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Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

When we start hitting references to Boris the Spider we need to rethink our perceptive of life.

by ic0n67 on Aug 12, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Creepy, crawly, creepy, crawly, creepy creepy crawly crawly…

Not Entwistle’s best songwriting, that one.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Aug 12, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh, CSI Miami??

Terrible.

Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.

by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 12, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

It serves a purpose.

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Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Aug 12, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed, we all know how to put sunglasses on, place hands on hips and furrow our brows in a dramatic fashion

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s an important life skill.

You could even say, more important than life itself.

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Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Aug 12, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Second only to checking the balance on the toilet seat lid before letting it go…though that is usually learned after only one crash down lol!

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is no such thing as too many Who references.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlXjIg4fH74

This, however is the greatest one.

You ain't a has-been, if you never was.

by jello44 on Aug 12, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Awesome…totally awesome!

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Aug 12, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope … not doing it … I have been Rick Roll’d WAY too many times … I won’t get fooled again … … … … … … Aww !&(! #(!)! ….

by ic0n67 on Aug 12, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

ANIMANIACS…The Greatest (Non-Offensive/Daytime) Cartoon ever not made for children…I am proud to say I have the first 2 seasons (which includes this very episode) on DVD…

Had to Rec this just for finding an appropriate Animaniacs clip!

KUDOS!

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have the first, I need to get the other two.

That and Freekazoid.

You ain't a has-been, if you never was.

by jello44 on Aug 12, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just don’t say Candle Jack. I forget why th…

Backing Backlund for 2010-2011
Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Aug 12, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now he’s going to need more rope.

You ain't a has-been, if you never was.

by jello44 on Aug 12, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

another Classic!!!

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh man, Animaniacs and Freakazoid were both amazing…

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Aug 12, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

But who’s on first?

Who is on first!

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by ToddtheFox on Aug 12, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well If the guy bunts and I pick it up and throw to first who gets it…
Naturally.
So I am gonna say Naturally is on first…

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

By Jove I’ve got it, I have solved the mystery…

Gary Bettman, in the Ladies Room, with the Prince of Wales Trophy!

I never could have done it without these meddling kids…and their dog.

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I have never seen a reference to the game of Clue used with a Scooby-Doo line before…kinda surreal. :)

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by Orange and Black Forever on Aug 12, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I screwed it up it should have gone like this…

Fezzy: By Jove I’ve got it, Gary Bettman, in the Ladies Room, with the Prince of Wales Trophy

Bettman: Gosh darn it, you never would have caught me if not for those meddling kids…and their dog!

Scooby: Rooby Dooby Doo!

(The surrealism can be blamed on the posting of a roger dean painting earlier by ‘mikefive’ in the SlapSchtick 2 thread…it’s had me screwed up all day…lol!)

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s OK – Roger Dean is awesome! :)

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by Orange and Black Forever on Aug 14, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I cannot agree more, as a teenager, I had all my YES album covers tacked up on the wall and have ‘borrowed’ from his surrealistic style for more than 1 ‘alien’ landscape sketch/painting over the years…

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
...The fans are standing up to them! The security guards are standing up to them! The peanut vendors are standing up to them! And by golly, if I could get down there, I'd be standing up to them!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 15, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Being relatively new here...

I must say, I am SO at the next game…this group is too twisted for color TV (so I know I will fit right in), gotta meet this bunch in person LOL!

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Join us, we have punch and pie.

You ain't a has-been, if you never was.

by jello44 on Aug 12, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just make sure that when they say punch, they mean a drink

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Aug 12, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahhhh…Come to the darkside…We Have Cookies!

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have unlimited juice? This party is going to be off the hook!

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Aug 12, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here we go back on the fish again…lol

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh no, completely different direction here. I’m wondering if anyone will get this reference. Somebody HAS to…

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Aug 12, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Took a minute, boy am I glad it’s the memory that goes first lol…

Arrested Development…

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

saying "F**k Homer" since 7-19-10

by JpH89 on Aug 12, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’d be surprised.

It usually takes a good 20 minutes of gaming, but afterwords, we’re all huffing and puffing, pretending we’re gonna finally start working out and exercising regularly after this, wishing to god we had more water, while occasionally mocking MarioD, and other times nodding like we know what someone is talking about when they reference a post we made 5 months ago.

That, and it’s fun. Most folks are more lively on the boards then they are in person, but in person there’s beer, so…

by BroadStreetBully on Aug 12, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't it Ben Franklin who said...

Beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy…

So…if there’s beer, do the passes tend to be less crisp as the game goes on? lol!

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dont think we’ve drinked during the game. Dehydration is killer. After is much more fun, replacing precious body fluids with poisonous alcohol.

by BroadStreetBully on Aug 12, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

What poison?

Beer = Water, Sugar, Wheat, Barley, Hops

Sounds like a health food extravaganza! :)

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why, it’s practically good for you!

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Aug 12, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are right, I think I’m gonna drink some tonight…
I will report on the “Is beer really good for you” experiment tomorrow…

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

What a Long, Strange Trip its been...

Well gang, ’Ol Fezz made it through the work day.

Thank you one and all for your contributions to my continued (in)sanity, it has certainly been a departure from the bitching and complaining we have all been doing the last few days.

Always nice to decompress once and again. My most heartfelt thanks to all those whose blood runs as black and orange as my own. See you all here in Flyerland tomorrow…

Good Night, and Good Hockey! GO FLYERS!!!

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
Jesus Saves...He Passes, He Shoots...HE SCORES!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 12, 2010 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

get the frick outta here my photosynthesizing friends

OMG!!!!!!! WTF!!!!!!!!!! CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCH!!!!!!!!

saying "F**k Homer" since 7-19-10

by JpH89 on Aug 12, 2010 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

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