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Is that Garry Galley?

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Aug 16, 2010 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Very well done, sir.

Are these too easy, or is everybody awesome?

Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.

by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 16, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s the trivia champ, pretty sure he’s just awesome. That is the hardest one yet I think, no clues, no numbers and the jersey doesn’t really help place time period.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Aug 16, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Easton Air gloves he was wearing helped me with the time period. But Mike was just too good for me today.

Is this the right room for an argument?

by DLJr on Aug 16, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mikael Renberg in the background didn’t help either?

Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.

by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 16, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just recognized his squinty/squishy smile.

Now that the cat’s out of the bag, someone should put a caption like “We, who are about to be traded for Petr Svoboda, salute you.”

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Aug 16, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

GG was Da MAN when he was here!

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
...The fans are standing up to them! The security guards are standing up to them! The peanut vendors are standing up to them! And by golly, if I could get down there, I'd be standing up to them!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 16, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was a pretty big fan of his too.

Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.

by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 16, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was 1 of my 6 defensive picks in my All-Time Team poll…

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
...The fans are standing up to them! The security guards are standing up to them! The peanut vendors are standing up to them! And by golly, if I could get down there, I'd be standing up to them!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 16, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now you just went off the reservation. GG??

Just Call Me "M"!

by MJDII on Aug 16, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now you just went off the reservation. GG??

Just Call Me "M"!

by MJDII on Aug 16, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn, he’s good.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Aug 16, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fedyk?

"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."

by boknows71 on Aug 16, 2010 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Pretty cool seeing Zherdev in the Flyers kit.

by ryan1 on Aug 16, 2010 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Somehow I doubt the Leafs fans will stop wanting to trade Kaberle though… I don’t think they’ll drop it even if it’s over for now.

(Off topic, but prompted by the Flyer of the Day pictures – I have a Flyers related conundrum, and I wanted to know if you guys would be willing to help…. We found a bag of signed pucks from about 15 years ago. While we can ID most of the signatures, there are some we can’t figure out. If I made a Fanpost, would you guys be willing to take a crack at some of the harder ones? Feel free to say no, you aren’t obligated, but you all seemed like the best people to ask. Or Geoff could post them instead of the photographs as his Morning Fly By challenge, except in this case I wouldn’t know what the right answer is to tell you if you’re right or not. )

by DragonGirl0583 on Aug 16, 2010 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

I’d totally help, not sure how much help I’d be but I’ll help…..help. Interesting sentence from me there. Sorry.

off-off-topic, did you take any pics from the last pick-up “game”?

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Aug 16, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn’t… at the the only angles that I could get the camera to focus around the fence, I couldn’t zoom in enough to take a real picture. I had to stand too far away to get an angle where I could focus at all.

by DragonGirl0583 on Aug 16, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s pretty much what I thought. Stupid fence.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Aug 16, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I can help, it be fun for the days when I don’t have much to do around here.

Is this the right room for an argument?

by DLJr on Aug 16, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Feel free to email me them if you want, I’m looking for two more pictures for this week’s Fly By challenge (I like the name, by the way).

They can be the ones you do know, or the one’s you don’t, but I’d imagine a fanpost is better for the ones you don’t know. Not like it matters though.

Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.

by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 16, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go Flyers!

by tmurder on Aug 16, 2010 12:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I miss those red-orange jerseys going black was such a bad move. Fuck the black. Thank god it is done this year full time. Hopefully.

by chrislanci on Aug 16, 2010 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

does the majority feel this way?? cause i love the black

by phinally on Aug 16, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the dislike for the black jerseys stems from the Flyers losing record last season when they were wearing them. It may go back further though.

Backing Backlund for 2010-2011
Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Aug 16, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I prefer black to white. The Flyers are called the orange and black so I prefer both jerseys to prominently feature each color. Then again I’m not a fan of any generic white jersey. White is a weak plain jersey choice. Nothing about white exites me. I don’t think teams should wear white unless its one of the teams primary colors(like the leafs) or its absolutely necessary. That said the sleeves on the latest black jerseys look horrible.

by tmurder on Aug 16, 2010 6:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yeah, that’s how i feel. whenever i play nhl 10, i always pick black jerseys/closest to black

by phinally on Aug 16, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ehh, both the black and the white jerseys from last year/the year before just kind of bore me.

by ww2b on Aug 16, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zherdev still hasn’t announced his number yet. I am hoping for 31 somebody needs to wear it or flat out retire Pelle’s number. I think that might be our jinx.

by chrislanci on Aug 16, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Zherdev will wear #9.

by Teemu H on Aug 16, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

number nine
number nine
number nine
number nine

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Aug 16, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Following in the grand tradition of Miroslav Dvorak

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Aug 16, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cookie!

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Aug 16, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nine is Pelle Eklunds number, right or did he wear 8.

by chrislanci on Aug 16, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eklund wore 9 as well. So did Patrick Sharp, Scottie Upshall, Stefan Ruzicka, and Dainius Zubrus.

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Aug 16, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paul is dead.
Paul is dead.
Paul is dead.

You ain't a has-been, if you never was.

by jello44 on Aug 16, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Walrus was Paul

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
...The fans are standing up to them! The security guards are standing up to them! The peanut vendors are standing up to them! And by golly, if I could get down there, I'd be standing up to them!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 17, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Teemu. You just forced me into getting another jersey! Anytime a player for my favorite teams wears number 9 I have to get it.

"Chris Pronger sneaked in the back door...banged it home."

Flyers Television Play-by-Play Man: Jim Jackson

by Psy09 on Aug 16, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you dont have a Labamba jersey then your a big fat phony

saying "F**k Homer" since 7-19-10

by JpH89 on Aug 16, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kind of worthless as I’m sure few here have insider.

by tmurder on Aug 16, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joacim Eriksson is the Flyers top ranked prospect on Hockey’s Future, 7.5C. I had no idea!

For comparison, the incomparable Garret Klotz is a 5.0C.

Backing Backlund for 2010-2011
Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Aug 16, 2010 5:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Jeeze, having no idea what that rating system means that’s disheartening.

by tmurder on Aug 16, 2010 6:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Here is the breakdown.

Eriksson’s ranking of 7.5C means,

7 – Second line forward / No. 3-4 defenseman / journeyman No. 1 goaltender — players not quite good enough to play on the top line or pairing on a regular basis, but still possessing enough talent to contribute offensively, defend with some authority, or competently play the goaltender’s position for long stretches. Think Andrew Cassels, Jason Arnott, Darryl Sydor, Keith Carney, Dwayne Roloson, Jeff Hackett.

C – May reach potential, could drop 2 ratings – has shown some flashes, but may ultimately not have what it takes to reach his potential. The potential rating is multiplied by 80 percent for depth chart purposes to show the uncertainty of a player reaching his potential.

For the whole list of prospects go here. It’s all pretty interesting.

Backing Backlund for 2010-2011
Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Aug 16, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

They also tend to be down on prospects – wasn’t Crosby something like an 8.5B?

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Aug 17, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

But you need to remember that a 10 is a “generational talent” and an A is “100 percent metaphysical certitude” the guy will reach potential.

So if Crosby was an 8.5B, that means he was between a “first-line forward” and an “elite forward” who is “likely to reach” that potential. Is he a 10A? Yeah, at this point, but Lindros and Daigle were considered 10As by a lot of people, so surely they were being careful.

The top prospect according to them right now is Alex Pietrangelo, a #4 overall defenseman for St. Louis who is an 8.5C. Just for reference sake. I wouldn’t say it’s “down” on prospects, more like “cautious”

Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.

by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 17, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

True. I should have phrased that as “more pessimistic” – they seem to rate somewhere between the guy’s floor and his “average” expected position, where most people would look for his ceiling.

And the funny thing is, they have Pietrangelo at #1 with an 8.5C, but Varlamov is #2 with an 8.5B.

7.5C is the same rating as Jonathan Quick and Michal Neuvirth. Bernier is an 8.0C, to give a goalie comparison for Eriksson.

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Aug 17, 2010 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very good points. I personally don’t put too much into the rankings across players, but rather of that player in particular.

Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.

by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 17, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I just have to keep reminding myself that 8 and 7 are good numbers in their system, and 6.5 is OK. It’s when you get down to 6.0 or lower that they’re marginal guys. Likewise, B is good, C is OK, D worries me. I’d rather have a 6.5C than a 7.0D, all other things being the same. I mentally split our prospects from their list into three groups:

Probably OK (>6.0, >D):
Wellwood
Maroon
Nodl
Marshall
Bourdon
Lehtivuori
Bertilsson
Eriksson
Morrison

High risk (>6.0, <C):
Labrecque
Pither
Popov
Legein
Harper
Bodrov
Riopel

Low Ceiling (<6.5)
Rinaldo
Klotz
Kalinski
Lauridsen
Hostetter
Kovar
Phillips

The “Probably OK” group should contribute at some level in the NHL. The “High Risk” may contribute or may be a total bust. The “Low Potential” guys will probably bounce between the AHL and NHL, with permanent third line/third pairing/back-up goalie being an “exceeds expectations” result for them.

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Aug 17, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you hit that perfectly. I’m pretty excited for Pither, Labrecque, Harper, Legein, and Riopel this year. Not because they’re going to break out, but because this year is crucial for each and every one of them.

This is probably Legein’s make-or-break year. Labrecque needs a solid year in the Q, in which case he might move up into the top tier. Pither needs a solid year in the AHL to set up a make-or-break year next year. Same with Harper. Riopel needs to first get a contract, but he needs to make his excellent preparation, attitude, and willingness to learn become results.

Needless to say, I love underdogs, the less popular players, and the fringe guys like Bruno St. Jacques. Just something about their story, their desire, and their low expectations makes me want to watch.

But yeah, really round about way of saying I think your 3-tier system is perfectly accurate.

Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.

by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 17, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lindros did reach 10A.

by Snevik on Aug 17, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but I keep hearing that Crosby sucks.

Backing Backlund for 2010-2011
Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Aug 17, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah…cox

Cheers,

Fezzy
http://fezzysworld.blogspot.com
...The fans are standing up to them! The security guards are standing up to them! The peanut vendors are standing up to them! And by golly, if I could get down there, I'd be standing up to them!

by Fezzlekway on Aug 17, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

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