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NHL's tiebreaker tweak doesn't change much, but it's a positive step

PHILADELPHIA - APRIL 11:  Daniel Briere #48 of the Philadelphia Flyers scores a shootout goal past Henrik Lundqvist #30 of the New York Rangers on April 11, 2010 at Wachovia Center in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The Flyers defeated the Rangers 2-1 after a shootout. The victory clinched a playoff berth for Philadelphia.  (Photo by Jim McIsaac/Getty Images)

Step 1, eliminating shootouts in tiebreaker situations.

Step 2, extending overtime in one way or another to make shootouts less likely?

Step 3, eliminating shootouts all together?

Check off number one on that list, as according to ESPN's E.J. Hradek, the NHL next year will go to a convoluted system where the first tiebreaker will go to the team with the most regulation and overtime wins. Shootout wins are pushed aside. In previous years, of course, that first tiebreaker was simply the greater number of wins, whether via shootout, in regulation or in overtime.

So what difference would this rule have made on the NHL standings last season? There were three ties at the end of the season -- CGY-STL, CAR-TBL and the Flyers and Canadiens. Obviously, only one of those impacted the postseason. Montreal had seven shootout wins last season while the Flyers had four.

So, besides a few potential changes in draft order (what's a draft?), there wouldn't be much consequence. The Flyers still would've taken seventh place in the East over the Canadiens.

The bigger news here is that it certainly seems like the NHL is on a path to either marginalize shootouts to the point where they're almost never needed or perhaps even get rid of them altogether.

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This slight tweak to the tiebreak system comes a few days after the NHL's RDO camp, where a plethora of rules were tested. Several of those rules involved overtime, and each OT change was proposed with the hopes that it would make shootouts less likely.

One possible alteration would have teams switch ends after the third period and before overtime, thus forcing teams to make the long line change, which they hope would lead to more scoring chances. The other more extreme change would see overtime last nine minutes. After three minutes of four-on-four, they'd switch to three-on-three and if the score is still not decided after six minutes, they'd switch to two-on-two.

Two-on-two seems ridiculous, if you ask me. I mean, do we want to just get rid of the goalies and put trash cans in the net, too? But James Mirtle had a story earlier this week about a Junior league in Canada that already uses three-on-three OT in some situations.

On Friday, I had a great conversation on the subject with Shawn Mullin, who calls play-by-play for the Trail Smoke Eaters in the BCHL (Junior A). In that league, they've already adopted some 3-on-3 play in overtime, playing 4-on-4 for five minutes and then 3-on-3 for another five if the game is still scoreless.

As a result of dropping down to only six skaters on the ice, Mullin said it creates a high number off odd-man chances and scoring opportunities. Almost every single game is settled after 70 minutes of play.

So much so that there were only seven ties in 510 games played in the BCHL last season. (The league has yet to adopt the shootout.)

This sounds smart to me. Three-on-three is a lot less gimmicky than the shootout, as, you know, it actually involves playing the game of hockey. And if the NHL went to the BCHL model, it would only happen after five minutes of four-on-four OT. In other words, it would only happen if the game gets to a point where they'd go to a shootout now.

It's possible that there would be a higher percentage of ties after the three-on-three OT in the NHL, as Mirtle mentions later in his article that the BCHL is a pretty high-scoring league. But if the NHL were to go to the BCHL system, it's possible that we could go back to a game that includes ties. They'd be limited, but I think most diehard hockey fans can agree that some games just deserve to be tied.

This system would allow for a smart mixture of both. Three-on-three creates exciting hockey that would replace the gimmicky shootout, and those people who believe that ties should still exist in the NHL would be placated as well.

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The biggest change they need to make is to the overtime system. The points for a tie should not be given out until they make it to the shoot out. I hate to watch two teams take no chances in the 5 min overtime (mayby longer now) to get to the shootout for the extra point. Don’t take out the shootout, it is at least entertaining.

by SkookFlyerfan on Aug 22, 2010 6:47 PM EDT reply actions  

You just contradicted yourself, unless I read something wrong.

The points for a tie should not be given out until they make it to the shoot out. I hate to watch two teams take no chances in the 5 min overtime (mayby (sic) longer now) to get to the shootout for the extra point.

So, you don’t want to have points issued unless teams make the shootout, but you also don’t want teams to hang back, take no chances, and play for the shootout.

If points were not given until the shootout were reached, then the 4-on-4 OT would be pointless because EVERY team would play for the shootout. Every team would rather walk away with one guaranteed point instead of none.

I’m not trying to pick on you here – over the years I’ve read several people here on the internets who feel the same way that you do. I’ve seen a number of people who have said that points should not be given out in OT unless teams make it to the shootout. And I, in turn, have always thought that such a system would make the 4-on-4 worthless because it would become 5 minutes of two teams trying not to be scored upon.

Am I missing something here? Again, I’m not trying to MarioD you here, I’m just legitimately trying to understand this point of view because I’ve come across it several times.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Aug 22, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, ok. Thorough critic there. What i should have said is that teams don’t play in regulation the last five minutes so they don’t make a stupid play to give up a goal and a sure one point. The overtime should be extended to 10 min so more games will be decided. Then if no one scores in the OT, each team should get one point. That would help teams (Flyers) who suck in the shootout and stop some teams that play for the shootout because they are so good

by SkookFlyerfan on Aug 23, 2010 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

the shootout just doesn’t encompass the game of hockey fairly. hope its gone or minimized a lot. its entertaining for espn

by phinally on Aug 22, 2010 7:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with 4-on-4, then 3-on-3 OTs. And if you can’t settle the score after that, then let the teams have a tie.

This I ESPECIALLY agree with:

I think most diehard hockey fans can agree that some games just deserve to be tied.

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. This is especially true of low-scoring goalie duels, where neither goalie deserves to lose.

And the league should make some concessions to the diehard hockey fans after all. Wouldn’t that be nice? It sure would, and it would also be good business sense. When I was in legal marketing years ago, conventional marketing wisdom was changing, at least as far as service marketing was concerned. The idea was that the law firm should focus most of its marketing efforts catering to the firm’s top 300 clients, since they were the ones who were going to give you the most business.

Granted, the NHL (and all sports) are engaged in product marketing as opposed to service marketing, but I’m sure some of the same rules apply. It would make sense, therefore, if they focus some of their energies on making the game palatable to the hardcore fans – those who proved the game to be marketable in the first place.

Anyone here who is in the marketing world, please elaborate / berate / laugh at / clarify / make sense of my points, if you please.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Aug 22, 2010 10:41 PM EDT reply actions  

You are correct. Speaking as a marketing professional, it is much more cost effective to pour your marketing monies into customer retention rather than acquisition. It requires less money and yields a much higher return (ROI) in the long run.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Aug 23, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not to attack your marketing because its solid in a competition world, but the NHL has no hockey competition in the states. Have you stopped watching because of the shootout? No, so from an NHL point of view they have little to gain from appeasing you. They have our business pretty much regardless of ot rules. However, with the new/casual fan its another story. Until we stop watching the rules won’t change to meet our preferences. The only power we have would be to abstain from watching NHL games and purchasing licensed gear. We’re the league’s addicts until we go cold turkey we’re powerless.

by tmurder on Aug 23, 2010 1:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I dont care how they adjust the standings or the points – THE SHOOTOUT IS NOT HOCKEY and does not belong in the game!

Phigment

by Phigment on Aug 22, 2010 11:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Soccer uses the shootout and it is even more disturbingly different from soccer. Yet soccer imploys it at the highest levels. Kind of funny how the shootout is only used in reg season games in the NHL but it’s used in the World Cup for soccer.

by tmurder on Aug 23, 2010 1:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Association football (soccer) pretty much only uses it in tournaments, where one team must be eliminated. Most leagues still utilize ties (I believe it’s all leagues, but there may be one or two European or Asian leagues still using shootouts).

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Aug 23, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah thats my point. We freak out when its used in regular season games, but in Soccer its used to decide the biggest games.

by tmurder on Aug 23, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

But in soccer they almost don’t have a choice. If they didn’t resort to penalty kicks then the games would go on forever.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Aug 23, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, there aren’t shifts and there are limited substitutions. By the time you get to the shootout, most of the players have been on the field for 90+ minutes. Even though play slows when the ball leaves your zone, it’s still constant movement for a long period of time. Adding on additional time to that would increase injury risks for players, due to the mounting fatigue. Yes, fatigue is still a concern for hockey, but the cycling of lines allows for shorter burn time, which reduces the risk.

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Aug 23, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s actually 120 minutes because before you got to the shootout you have 15+15 OT.

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by Katchis on Aug 23, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I forgot about that. I’m still used to the old golden goal experiment, since that was in effect when I stopped playing.

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Aug 24, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love shootouts! Leave my shootouts alone! (sniffs and sobs)

Anyway… I’m still slightly confused with this rule change. I mean… if we win in the SO during the season, should I be even happy about it? ‘Cause like… they won’t matter in the end, will they? Punch me… I’m the stupid one here now.

I love the Lightning AND the Flyers... go ahead, preach me!
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
American Cheese, B!tch! ... #1 mission? Kill Holmgren.

by Katchis on Aug 23, 2010 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

They will matter, because it gives you an additional point. It’s just that at the end of the year, if the Flyers have 93 points and the Sabres have 93 points, both with 43 wins, tied for 4th place, the team with the most non-shootout wins gets the spot.

So say the Flyers have 4 SO wins but the Sabres have 5 SO wins. The Flyers get 4th place because they had 39 regulation and OT wins, while the Sabres had 38.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 23, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahhhh! Thank you, thank you, thank you! Finally someone who was able to really explain it to me. Katie appreciates that a lot!

I love the Lightning AND the Flyers... go ahead, preach me!
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
American Cheese, B!tch! ... #1 mission? Kill Holmgren.

by Katchis on Aug 23, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are very welcome :)

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Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.

by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 23, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

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