Wednesday Morning Fly By: Brunch Time
by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 25, 2010 11:11 AM EDT
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- NIC RIOPEL IS SIGNED! Oh, and three others: [AnthonySan37]
- The NHL did their 30 in 30 on the Flyers a few days ago, but the site was down when I remembered to link to it. Here it is: [NHL.com]
- New favorite of mine Andrew Rowe is on Twitter. I'm pretty excited. Oh, Mike Testwuide is too. [RoweAndrew]
- Jakub Kovar gave up 2 goals in 60 minutes to get the win: [euroflyers]
- Former Flyer Jonathan Matsumoto got an early start on his Carolina career: [NewsObserver]
- The Phantoms announced four hirings, including broadcaster: [PostStar.com]
- Peter Laviolette spoke at the World Hockey Summit: [NHL VideoCenter]
- Bobby Ryan said he is not seeking a trade, will not hold out, but something still doesn't make sense: [Orange County Register]
- Steve Downie has re-signed with Tampa: [TSNBobMcKenzie]
- The Predators re-signed Patric Hornqvist: [On the Forecheck]
- Speaking with Gabe Desjardins about advanced stats in hockey. Good read for even those who aren't familiar/comfortable yet: [From The Rink]
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Sorry so late today, class and video from Howard last night got me distracted.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 25, 2010 11:12 AM EDT reply actions
I’m still incensed by his ejection from the game. That’s the second All-Star that AAA umpire call-up has tossed in a week. He’s got a Napolean Complex and is a disgrace to the game. I want his ass canned.
Roy Oswalt is the man, despite making the last out.
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His hands on hips look at Howard alone should be enough to suspend/fire him. I mean that’s ridiculous. Just make the calls and don’t be a dick. Absolutely terrible. I’m glad we left before that happened, I would have been pissed off!
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by KreiderDesigns on Aug 25, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I was so angry last night it took me three hours to calm down. (full disclosure: I’m on prednisone for poison ivy, could be the “juice”)
There was a small, tiny little irrational part of me that wanted Howard to clock the guy. Might have been the hockey fan talking.
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Some people say Howard deserved to be ejected, but my problem is that:
a) Even if you think Howard “showed him up” by putting his hands on his hips, the reaction of the ump was unprofessional;
b) That reaction informed you that he was personally offended and would let that interfere with his job;
c) Four pitches later, Howard checked his swing, but the ump wanted to get revenge;
d) When Howard rightfully gets pissed off at an intentionally blown call, the ump gets his wish and ejects him.
Was the first checked-swing a strike? Probably. Should Howard have put his hands on his hips? Probably not. Could he have been ejected right there? Yes. In that game situation? No. Everything after that was the ump’s fault, so I don’t care what the people who think Howard “deserved” to be tossed think.
Since when is tossing your helmet enough to get ejected? Look what you could do in 1955 without getting ejected.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 25, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He didn’t check his swing though. He did on one of his earlier at bats and was called, but I wouldn’t have wanted the make up call. I hate make up calls. But yes, to eject some in a game like that because he threw his bat in the air, that was pretty weak.
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The third strike, you don’t think he checked?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 25, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
He went around, not as clear as the earlier one in the at bat, but his bat was over the plate. I wouldn’t have called it a strike, but some imps do.
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I think you and doubleh are bringing something up worth noting:
A swing isn’t when the bat is over the plate. It’s when he crosses the plane. To me – and I may be misinterpreting/blindly ignoring the actual MLB definition – a swing is when the bad is flush with the front of the plate. In other words, you can draw a straight line from the edge of the plate up to the head of the bat. I didn’t see Howard do that on “strike 3”.
Even still,
They are very close calls and because of that, no one should be rung up on 2 straight.
Especially when it’s clear that he gets rung up and tossed out of spite.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 25, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The Fightins just posted a video of the same jack-ass ump tossing Ryan Zimmerman for being pissed he foul-tip’d strike 3. It’s just as terrible, if not more terrible.
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by KreiderDesigns on Aug 25, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry…forgot to link.
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by KreiderDesigns on Aug 25, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s more terrible in my opinion. Guys’ got a HO for guys named Ryan, apparently.
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You’re right, that one is even more egregious.
Is there any rule that says throwing a bat equal ejection? I understand warning/tossing a batter who turns around to the home plate ump and starts arguing. I don’t get ejecting for a helmet slam.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 25, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s up to the umpire’s discretion and is based on “flagrant” behavior, which again, is giving them too much power IMO.
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My, have umpires’ definitions of “flagrant” changed.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 25, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, to be fair, baseball players are a lot bigger and stronger than they used to be…just kidding.
It’s just an ego thing trying to keep another ego thing in check, but the bottom line is fans pay to watch the stars play, not the umpires. Baseball players are allowed to have egos, nay, in fact, encouraged to have them. Umpires need to be seen and not heard.
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I absolutely don’t think Howard deserved to be ejected, because Barry’s actions goaded Howard—
a) Howard was mad at himself for 1st check swing, where he clearly crossed plane, he put his hands on his hips in frustration
b) Barry saw this as an affront to him b/c he must have the tiniest penis in the universe and it’s all about him
c) Barry openly mocks Howard by also putting his hands on his hips like a henpecking fishwife
d) He hurries Howard back into the batter’s box when he steps out during an at bat just to be a d**khead
e) When Howard checks 2nd time, where he did NOT cross the plane, Barry calls him out without so much as a thought and immediately tosses him as soon as his bat leaves his hands
It was completely unprofessional and left the Phillies without a position player. What if Oswalt had been hurt in the OF? It would be an uglier scene in Philadelphia today.
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I was going to reply to Geoff’s with basically all of this so I’ll just say ditto.
You can see on the replay that Howard tells the home plate ump “I’m mad at me!” and…let’s face it he should have been…a platinum sombrero? Ouch!
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by KreiderDesigns on Aug 25, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
That’s something else too: Howard was pissed at himself, the home plate umpire probably told him to calm down, be careful, etc. Howard explained he wasn’t upset at the 3rd base, or the home plate, but the 3rd base feels insulted. But the 3rd base doesn’t hear Howard’s explanation (or think, maybe, just maybe this guy is pissed he has 5 strikeouts already) and gets offended for the reason doubleh said. From there, he losses it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 25, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, I’m still more upset that a team who built on being an offensive powerhouse can’t score more then 2 runs in 16 damn innings. Kind of like how the flyers would only score 1 or less goals a game for that long stretch, just frustrating. Hopefully Howard and outlay will start to find some rhythm, and werth needs to start hitting too. Those three spots have been killer for us, which is bad because they are supposed to be our three biggest hitters.
Ohh well, I’ll be there again tonight, so hopefully it goes another 16 haha
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I didn’t say the umpire cost us the game, and obviously, you need to score more than 2 runs against the lowly Astros (who have, by all accounts, been playing much better as of late); however, umpires who insert themselves into the game and influence the outcome, however minute, are a disgrace to the sport. That this same umpire tossed Ryan Zimmerman just a week or so ago for an even lesser offense should be reason enough to give him his walking papers.
Utley and Howard haven’t gotten their timing down yet since coming back from the DL and honestly, this team’s offense has been off/on all season long. Never in my lifetime did I think we’d see a Phillies team being driven by one of the best rotations in the league, if not the best in the NL. We’s a hittin’ team, son…that isn’t hittin’.
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I’ll be there too. Should be a good time.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
And by “good,” you mean “angry bloodthirsty sharks” should the umps make another questionable call, right?
These guys do know they are in Philadelphia, right?
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Part of me expects things to be calmer on the officiating front tonight.
The other part of me expects that each member of the crew will insert himself into a game this series. Not because they hate the Phils or anything, but because the Phils seem to have That Kind Of Luck against the Astros.
Why must the Astros always be a thorn in the Phillies’ side? (That’s a rhetorical question, unless you have an answer.)
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Because the universe hates the Phillies? /removes tin foil hat
I think every team has “that team” that they just struggle against for whatever reason. Even the Nats are someone’s enemy.
But, God, do I loathe the Astros, especially Captain Underpants. Sorry, Happ: you’re one of them now.
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Here’s my question, since I couldn’t see the game: how obvious was it that Howard’s initial frustration was clearly about swinging, or about being tagged with the first strike?
I thought it was pretty clear, since when the situ escalated he was pointing at himself, saying “It’s me.” It really doesn’t matter in the long run, since umpires really shouldn’t be taking that stuff personally even if Howard was annoyed with him. Be a professional and shake it off. If you’re working with someone who’s having a bad work day, do you try to goad them?
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I wouldn’t say it was obvious, but like doubleh said: the umpire shouldn’t take it personally because it was at worst an interpretation. Howard didn’t point at him, yell at him, slam his bat, kick, etc. It would be very easy for the umpire – even if he thought Howard was frustrated at him – to brush it off. The guy had 5 strikeouts already at that point. Rather than a) assume Howard is frustrated at himself; b) give the benefit of the doubt that Howard is frustrated with himself; or c) ignore what he is thinking and just pretend like Howard is frustrated at himself, the umpire chose to get offended and act unprofessionally.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 25, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t see what Howard did, but I guess this is my point: Barry’s “mocking” of Howard definitely seems thin-skinned, but I’d say he was eyeing down Howard and warning him not to show him up, especially on a call he got correct.
An umpire can brush off something like that, but he certainly has no obligation to. It’s the onus of the athlete to control his emotions; he, too, is supposed to be a professional. Obviously, this shouldn’t effect the objective calling of the game—I haven’t seen the second checked swing, so it would be tough for me to say whether the call is blown or not—but that’s not really the point. You don’t show up the ref, whose job is difficult and thankless and, in this case, he was actually doing it well, just because your salary is 100x his and you have the sympathy and adoration of 43k+.
Yes, but…fans don’t pay to see umps call games. They pay to see Ryan Howards of the world. He has no history of being petulant or throwing tantrums (like a Milton Bradley); you need to consider the situation (he was 0-7 and frustrated with himself) before making a toss.
This guy is also a minor league fill-in umpire trying to make a name for himself, so keep that in mind.
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I know everyone is laboring over that—people didn’t come to see him ump—but the sport collapses without refereeing. (I played ultimate through college; it’s a wonderful sport that’s painful to watch because it’s self-officiated). The talent of the athlete accounts for the pay differential, but I wasn’t really relying on that to make my point: don’t show him up. You’re both paid professionals, doing the best you can to do your jobs well. I don’t know if Howard’s hip maneuver was frustration at self or at the ump, but the ump essentially signaled him to knock off the guff—hell, Rasheed been T’d for less.
Here’s what should really matter: the ump got the call right, the ump showed a distaste for RyHo’s gesturing, the ump made a decision on a questionable call, RyHo repeated his public show of frustration. I’m not sure what else needs to be referenced; if you’re arguing Howard shouldn’t have been tossed, the nature of the call and the history of the ump are immaterial.
But I don’t think he was showing up the ump—I think his frustration was with himself. The umpire chose to interpret the events on the field through his own lenses and take personal offense. Umpires can’t do that. Howard should have restrained himself more, but the umpire cannot mock a player and further goad him into giving him a reason to toss him, which is what Barry wanted to do all along. He was itching to toss him, which affected the outcome of the game.
Apparently, this umpiring crew has tossed a Phillie 6 of their total 9 times this season; this is something which should be investigated if you ask me. Cholly gets tossed for arguing a call the other night that the SAME CREW tossed him for earlier in the season for the completely opposite reason. (shane ran out of the baseline on a tag) Ridiculous.
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I’m fine with him being investigated, but I think he’ll walk. There’s no proof who Howard was targeting with his frustration, but it doesn’t matter: an umpire showed him that he felt targeted, and that it wouldn’t be tolerated. Of course umpires can’t operate without taking personal offense; it only matters when that effects decision making, and here: a) it’s not clear, at any point, he made an incorrect call on the field, and b) petulant or not, his gestures back to Howard were a warning that were not heeded.
Just as you say Howard’s intentions were unclear, I see a message in Barry’s behavior that isn’t mockery, it’s cautionary. “Don’t fucking show me up when I make a call.” It’s a legitimate complaint when your only tool is your judgment. Whether he was “itching to” or not, the ejection is warranted by these actions.
All that is fine and good, but the offense that Howard committed that actually got him tossed was tossing his bat. Since when did that become “showing up the ump”?
My point is that, if the hands on the hips was an inappropriate humiliation of the umpire and an ejection is warranted from that – which I disagree with – why wasn’t he tossed there? Instead, a flip of the bat – after a blown call, possibly in retribution – is showing him up more than the supposed hands on hips glare?
It doesn’t add up.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 25, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I watched it!
It was awesome! :D Didn’t understand much what’s happening, naturally, but hey… that umpire looks like a #1 asshole if you ask me. I wanted to slap my laptop screen. Oh… and I recognized Chase Utley! I’m learning… slowly… but need to start somewhere, eh? :D
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OMG… I just noticed that the umpire wears #87. AHAHAHA. That explains a lot.
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“Investigations” into Pronger, Hossa, Savard, Luongo deals are only to allow for possibility of incriminating evidence popping up in future.
This is good news, no? We kind of get to have our cake and eat it too. Pronger’s contract won’t be voided and the NHL is actively working to stop these kind of long term contracts.
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by Mitchell Green on Aug 25, 2010 11:50 AM EDT reply actions
Not necessarily. “Incriminating evidence popping up in the future” could apply to those contracts, thus allowing the NHL to void the contracts in 5, 6, 8, 10 years. If the NHL decides “incriminating evidence” is a phantom injury or a well-timed Huet-to-Switzerland deal, that could void the contract, apply penalties to the teams, etc.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 25, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahhh, good call. Thanks for the clarification.
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by Mitchell Green on Aug 25, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
This whole baseball talk...
I have no idea what the hell are you guys talking about. I feel stupid :(
Anyway… very happy to see Downz back with the Lightning for the upcoming season.
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We really shouldn’t be talking about it, but there isn’t much to say about hockey right now and last night’s Phillies game was infuriating in the midst of a tight pennant race. Two games affected by umpiring that could eventually mean the difference in the division.
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Ohh… that sucks. Whenever ref/umpire affects the game I go all crazayyy.
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Just imagine it was Simon Gagne goal that was waived off b/c the refs “lost” the conclusive evidence video review—or didn’t have it—and instead of what actually happened, here’s what transpired:
- ref mocks Simon’s disappointed look, waits for him to throw his stick down or something and then tosses him from the game
- Simon goes batshit after said ejection and takes a run at the ref
Sounds ludicrous, right? It was.
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O_o Oh my goodness. That is unbelievable.
Oh and btw,
Just imagine it was Simon Gagne goal that was waived off
… not that hard to imagine. Haha.
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Well, the Fly Bys are an “open discussion thread”, and I started the convo, so… talk away. I’m still pissed
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by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 25, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I didn’t mean to sound like you should stop talking about baseball. It was just me kinda whining over the fact that I don’t understand it and feel kinda left out… that’s all.
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haha, that was to doubleh saying “we really shouldn’t be talking about it”. But like we agreed upon, it doesn’t help anybody to continually bitch about what happened last night in a baseball game. It’s just that I can’t help it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 25, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Dont worry your not missing anything, and never feel stupid for being happily oblivious to baseball.
by Prometheus74 on Aug 25, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish I could quit it; I’d probably be a lot less stressed out since the seasons are so long.
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Its a year round dilemma.
Flyers, Eagles, Phillies, all cause stress, and are highly addictive.
by Prometheus74 on Aug 25, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Not like I was oblivious on purpose… I mean, I’d love to understand baseball and talk about it too but since I’ve never seen a whole baseball game and there is practically no interest in it over here… I kinda struggle with finding something where I could learn about it.
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That’s a shame. If you ever have a chance to access a Phillies game—or any game for that matter—we could hook up a chat somehow. I’ll walk you through it; it would be a lot of fun. You don’t want to jump into The Good Phight without some knowledge; they roast noobs over there pretty good.
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I’d love that! And saying I am noob is an understatement. All I know is home run – that’s probably the only thing they show over here on TV in the sport section of the news. They only show some baseball footage if it includes home run. Sigh.. that’s lame.
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Also, apparently like 6 of us were at the game last night but only two knew one of the other people was there. We should have all met up!
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by KreiderDesigns on Aug 25, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t gonna miss Ruiz bobble head night no matter what, that man is my baseball god haha.
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He is a god, that is for sure. My bobblehead is chipped on the right sleeve. Lame. Still, it’s pretty damn awesome.
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by KreiderDesigns on Aug 25, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Ruiz is to me for the phillies as what kimmo is to me for the flyers. The one guy on the team that always seems to do everything right. Like what dawkins was to the eagles. Iid cry like a baby if/when those two guys go.
Side note: why are the flyers so cheap that they can’t do bobble heads anymore? What was the last time they had an in game promotion like that, I’m thinking the brasher bobble arm figure. I’m sick of tee shirts that the only give out in one size that’s too damn big.
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Danny Briere about three years ago.
I have Gags, Williams and JR but two of those were from Phantoms games. I know what you mean. The giveaways from the Flyers are terrible. To my knowledge they don’t even do anything. It’s already so expensive to go to the games, and now this year they say tickets are going to be hard as hell to get anyway, why can’t they give back on any night other than Fan Appreciation?
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by KreiderDesigns on Aug 25, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I got the power play plan where I get the home opener, the Tampa game, and 9 others. It’s a litte pricy but it’s worth it IMO. But yeah, they really are the cheapest team. The phillies have like 20 promotions every year, the eagles give out a lot of free junk, but they only play 8 home games anyway, and even the sixes have at least 2 decent giveaways every year.
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#lightning announce the signing of defenceman Randy Jones to a one-year deal.
Well then.
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Let’s just call them the “Baby Flyers,” why don’t we?
They’re the hockey version of the Astros and do give the Flyers fits. It works.
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Okay, so now we have Flyers West in LA, Flyers West 2 in Nashville and the Baby Flyers in Tampa (where Ed Wade has just purchased season tickets).
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Yuh happy? :D
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Gags is going to have to score a lot of goals this season to make up for the Lightning’s shoddy defense. Jones was pretty much hated by everyone over at JFTC.
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Not cool :(
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I’d rather have crappy singing (I can’t sing myself) than crappy signing like… how much do we pay Shelly? And Meszaros? Coburn? Leighton? Ya-da-da …
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Let’s be honest. Beyond Hedman, there isn’t much going on back there
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Kubina and Ohlund aren’t bad. Brett Clark’s not awful, either (at least not for a $1.5 million cap hit).
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“Aren’t bad”, “not awful”. Sure they’ll be serviceable, but Hedman is the only one I would want on my NHL team.
$1 million for Jones too.
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Jones signed for $1 million? Hell, give me Randy Jones at that price over Matt Walker at his price.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 25, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably true. Even Jones at $1 million over Meszaros at $4 million.
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Seems like Stevie-Yoda wins again then? Eh?
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Definitely
Jones was a decent 3rd pairing defender being paid 2nd pairing money. Hence why he was hurting this team more than he was helping and why he should’ve gone before Upshall/Metropolit etc. etc.
At 1 million, sign Randy Jones for the 3rd pairing, keep your 2nd rounder, don’t sign Shelley/Carcillo, keep Simon Gagne.
Gagne-Richards-Carter
Hartnell-Briere-Leino
JVR-Giroux-Zherdev
Laperriere-Betts-Powe
Pronger-Carle
Timonen-Coburn
Jones-O’Donnell
Unbelievably loaded up front. Incredibly strong in defense. Question mark in goals.
Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Aug 26, 2010 5:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 26, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Even if you sign Carcillo, you have $1.4 mil in cap space.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 26, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
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