The Pros And Cons Of Signing Bill Guerin
by Travis Hughes on Sep 1, 2010 1:02 PM EDT
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PrintUPDATE: Craig Custance of The Sporting News says he got a text from Guerin that says he's "just in town" and "not hoping for a tryout, just skating." According to his agent in the same article, "he simply needed needed a place to skate" and that they've "had discussions with a couple of teams." Still, you have to assume the Flyers are one of those teams, given that they've let him train in Flyers orange at their practice facility.
Bill Guerin is interested in playing for your Philadelphia Flyers. This is both a good thing and a bad thing, for many different reasons. Let's stop messing around and get into them, because that's what Bill Guerin would do. (See, one good reason to sign him already.)
It should be noted, of course, that the Tim Panaccio article linked above says that Guerin simply wants a tryout contract with the Flyers. He was officially, publicly cut loose by the Penguins a few days ago, and now he's skating and working out at the Skate Zone in Flyers gear. I'm sure he needed team permission to do that anyhow, so it's clear the Flyers are looking at him hard as we speak.
Let's set one thing straight: there are literally no cons to bringing a guy like Guerin in on a tryout contract. Try to find one. They aren't there. He's been around, he's won the Cup, he'll push other guys hard. It'll be like having another coach in the room, except this coach can steal your job.
When it comes to actually signing Bill Guerin, though, there are certainly pros and cons. Let's get to the list.
- Pro: He's old. Yes, this is a good thing. Guerin is almost 40 years old, has said that he wants to play one more season in the NHL, and he's beenaround the block. He has a lot of knowledge to pass on to the young guys on this team -- looking at you, James van Riemsdyk, etc. -- and he's proven he can win, even at an older age. And when you score 45 points at age 39, you're doing something right.
- Con: He's old. No, this is a bad thing. He's old. Those 45 points were only scored because he mostly played with Sidney Crosby.
- Pro: He doesn't have many options left, meaning he'll likely take a low salary (perhaps close to the league minimum?) to be here. He might even take a spot off of the top 12 just to have another shot. He's old, he knows he doesn't have much hockey left and he wants to win.
- Con: Where's he going to fit? There's no space on the top 12 -- already, the Flyers have 13 NHL forwards -- and without bumping a younger player who's already under contract out of a job, there's simply no room for Guerin on this Flyers team.
- Pro: There's no room for him, meaning he's going to create a serious position battle in training camp. Position battles make everybody better. He'll push a guy like Dan Carcillo or Jody Shelley or Darroll Powe to really turn it up this season. They want their jobs? They need to work.
Let's break this one down a little more. Guerin's a winger, and if he earned a spot on the team in camp, he'd be pushing one of those guys out of a job. That's all but guaranteed. Would he be a better option than Carcillo, Shelley or Powe?
Guerin plays a different game than Shelley. He has (a lot) more offensive touch and he can realistically play on any line, while Shelley is certain to be relegated to fourth line duty. Guerin would certainly be an upgrade on the fourth line -- Guerin, Betts, Lappy anyone? -- but then you lose the one guy on the team who can really hold his own in a fight in Shelley. And since they just signed him in July, it doesn't seem likely that the Flyers would let him go that easily.
If you're looking for a guy to replace, Shelley probably doesn't fit in that mold.
Then there's Darroll Powe, and theoretically, I could see this one a little better than Shelley. Guerin can play on the third line and probably squeak in there pretty easily, but then you likely have Carcillo and Guerin playing on the same line. First off, they both wear 13, so that's not going to work. Secondly, you're wasting whoever you have at center with those two on the same line together. Something just doesn't add up.
The most likely swap seems to be Carcillo for Guerin. First off, the number 13 problem goes away. That's clearly the most important thing here. Other than that, these guys kind of fit the same mold. They're gritty wingers who like to mix it up after the whistles, but they also have some scoring touch. Carcillo played with the top line a lot last season, but also dropped down to the third line at times. Guerin mostly played on Pittsburgh's top line last season, but he also dropped down to the third line at times.
The only differences: Guerin's been around the block, has won the Cup, has a cooler head on his shoulders and has more offensive touch than Carcillo, despite the difference in age. He brings more in the locker room, doesn't take as many dumb penalties (although he's not a saint, most of his penalties are simply because he's not as fast as he once was) and even throws in a lot of power play minutes.
I've grown to like Dan Carcillo quite a bit since uh, writing this when he was acquired, but the reality is the reality. If Bill Guerin comes into camp and earns his way onto the team, it's probably going to happen because he was better than Carcillo. In all honesty, that's something I can live with.
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Nothing wrong with being an old player...
…bad players don’t get to stick around and become old players.
He kinda looks like a bad guy from a Superman movie in the shot there, doesn’t he?
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by Scott Kessler on Sep 1, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Taking Penalties:
Using Gabe Desjardins’ phenomenal site, here’s how the penalties drawn and taken shook out last year:
Carcillo: 17 Taken, 42 Drawn = 1.2 T/60, 3.0 D/60
Guerin: 11 Taken, 6 Drawn = 0.7 T/60, 0.4 D/60
Yes, you cut down on penalties taken, but you severely cut down on power play opportunities as well. Unless, of course, Carcillo’s playoff numbers (10 taken, 7 drawn) are a more accurate depiction of his future performance.
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Does anyone really think Carcillo is going to draw penalties anymore after flopping and diving showing up the refs as he did last year? Not to mention none of these stats take into effect the idiot quotient.
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They watch tape during the year, too. I think most of the refs in the league know about Dan Carcillo. But if it looks like he’s getting punched in the face when you’re on the ice, it doesn’t matter.
Guys: refereeing is hard to do.
And how many of those 42 drawn penalties were legit, I’m not diving, calls?
It’s true that Carcillo exaggerated during the playoffs and everyone saw it. But that doesn’t mean Colton Orr won’t punch him in the face 3 times, giving Carcillo 2 drawn penalties. Or that Derek Boogard won’t throw an elbow at him for not fighting.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 1, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Just saw this via Ryan Bright on Twitter:Bill Guerin per @Craigcustance “I was just in town. Not hoping for a tryout. Just skating.”
Well that sounds like a load of crap to me. Why, then, would he be (a) wearing Flyers gear and (b) why would the Flyers just let him come in for a skate? I am sure there are plenty of other rinks that Guerin could skate at. Oh, it just so happens that Guerin is in Voorhees and just so happens that he wants to skate at the Flyer’s Skate Zone?
I’d say ol’ Bill is certainly looking for a try-out and would gladly take him on the third line with Giroux over Carcillo.
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Also . . .
This is what Guerin’s agent said:"He simply needed a place to skate," said Bob Murray, his agent. "We’ve had discussions with a couple of teams."
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by Mitchell Green on Sep 1, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
He probably wants to stop teams from thinking he’ll accept a tryout. No point in telling teams he’s going to Philly on a tryout when he can have Panotch do it, then hope the Rangers throw $1.25 mil at him.
It’s good business.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 1, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. Someone pointed out on Twitter that he doesn’t want to seem desperate. That would kill his ability to bargain.
But, realistically, he is desperate.The Flyers have one huge advantage over most teams; they went to the Cup finals last season and are probably Stanley Cup favorites again this year. If Guerin’s got one year left, that $1.25 mil. won’t really be too enticing seeing as the Rangers suck. Guerin is a guy who certainly wants to win and will take close to the league minimum to play for a winning team. If this is something the Flyers want, it shouldn’t be too hard to make it happen.
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by Mitchell Green on Sep 1, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm ...
Guerin for Asham? Interesting, since that’s what it would amount to without actual trades.
But Guerin reportedly was, from philly.com :
“I was down in the area visiting my father-in-law who lives in Medford [N.J.],” Guerin said. "I was going to be in the area anyway and I wanted to get on the ice. My agent talked to Paul [Holmgren] about possibly having me come here and skate around with the guys. It was nice. It was good to finally get back on the ice and skate."
That doesn’t sound like anything more than extending a courtesy to an old honorable player to me.
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Ahh, sorry didn’t see you posted this until I posted the same thing haha.
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by Mitchell Green on Sep 1, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting stuff from Chuck Gormley of the Courier Post:
"Bill’s wife is from around here (Medford) and his agent (Bob Murray) called to see if it was OK for him to skate here a few days and I told him he could. But don’t read anything into it. We’re happy with our team."Also interesting is that former Flyer, Todd “Fridge” Fedoruk has been staying in shape at the Skate Zone and “and would be willing to accept the NHL minimum to play somewhere.”
Former Flyer Justin Williams, who owns a home at the Jersey Shore, has also skated with the Flyers in recent days. Holmgren said opposing players are welcome to practice at the Skate Zone until Labor Day. After that, the rink will be used only for Flyers players and prospects.
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I’d do it in a heart beat. Honestly, I’d take a bag of pucks for Shelly at this point.
This is wrong to say, but it would be a lot easier if he got injured and had to go on LTIR (read: full season), that way he doesn’t affect the cap and signing Guerin would be easy.
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by Mitchell Green on Sep 1, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Also something worth mentioning is that Guerin’s ability to muck it up in front of the net makes him versatile on any line. He could even be a fourth forward on a PP line, whereby you just throw him in front of the net, swing another forward to the point with the dman and let them fire shots on net. The Penguins didn’t do this enough when he was with them, but to kind of add to your line about how he can coach/teach players along the way, the Pens will likely start to use Staal in that role now that Billy’s gone. So his impression is a lasting one.
So yeah, he would be a solid addition and go for 20-20, but the added bonus is his on-ice coaching.
And no, I’m not saying this to rub it in or anything, but if you watch the Penguins Stanley Cup DVD he takes on the role of the jokester, the veteran leader and just all-around good guy. If the Pens offered him minimum (which is just about all they can offer right now) I would’ve been happy to see him in Pittsburgh again. But there are plenty of younger guys on their way up the system who are getting paid just as much. In the end, I think the Pens front office decided it’d be best to start working in some of the younger guys than to hang on to the older ones.
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In the end, I think the Pens front office decided it’d be best to start working in some of the younger guys than to hang on to the older ones.
What is this “working in some of the younger guys” you speak of? You mean you get players from somewhere other than free agency and trades? Blasphemy!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 1, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Clarkie used to know about this secret art, that’s actually how we got some guys called Richards, Carter and Giroux.
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Sep 2, 2010 5:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh, I don’t think he was too great at it either. Then again, he didnt’ have a cap, so he didn’t have to worry about maximizing return for the dollar.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 2, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
In all truthfulness Frank, I am really envious of your possession of The Big Dog. Treat him well, and don’t take away the Broad Street Bully that he was born with away from him!
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 1, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re all kind of hoping he doesn’t lose that part of him, to be honest. Possessing the ability to score and all is nice, but like the grit he brings. Pens have been needing that for a while now.
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I’m glad you and your people are finally realizing that you have to get your hands dirty. It’s time to realize that the days of Ulf Samuellson should not be frowned upon, but recognized as a necessary part of the game. Can’t wait for the series to be competitive again!
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 1, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Well it’s always been competitive. Now it’s just going to get uglier.
Ulf was…a character. I enjoyed watching him play, along with Kaspar, but that Cam Neely hit will always leave a bad impression. For those who watched him over the years, he was always a good teammate. You just had to hope you were on his bench and not against him.
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in other words, how hockey should and always be?
I’m looking forward to seeing Crosby and company trying to wade through the Flyers defense. Despite Meszaros’ inability to use his size effectively, he will still be a tough guy to skate around, especially because he can skate rather well. Add in O’Donnel on that 3rd line, and the games will surely be intriguing. I’m also anticipating how Martin and Martinek will work. I think the front office invested too much in them, but the upgrade of the defense was needed
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 1, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean Michalek?
The upgrade was definitely needed. And given what was available, those guys obscenely over valued. So ultimately I, you, and many other hockey fans feel the Pens paid too much, but they addressed the needs and worked with what was available. The game plan is to potentially see the Pens rely on Letang to fill Gonchar’s shoes and for Martin/Michalek to kind of fill in on the PK and second/third pairings. I’m not entirely sure where the Pens are going to work them in, but I do think Martin will post career highs, if only because he’s in a system that uses the defense in an offensive sense. I mean, his best season in the goal scoring category was six with the Devils in 03/04. I think he’ll surpass 10, easily.
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Yeah, apologies, Michalek. Sometimes you must overpay for a certain player, and the upgrade on defense was a necessity. I never liked Gonchar as the QB, but Malkin/Crosby working from the boards as the QB. That’s what I would do, anyway
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 1, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Martin Is far and away better than Letang. Martin is a very good defense. Not quite a number 1 but he definitely a first pairing guy.
you must take into account that he was part of a team that makes defensemen look better than what they really are. It’s a risk you needed to take
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 1, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats true. But the Devil’s aren’t nearly as good as the were in the recent past. Even still I prefer him to Letang.
I do too, unless you’re cooking with Geno
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 1, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Letang has a lot to prove this year. He shot a mile over or wide of the net more times than I can count last season. Him and Goligoski need to find the net.
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Now, I don’t see it as all that competitive. Competitive to me means both teams—in any given game—can win. Flyers-Pens has always been one team essentially dominating the other over time. I’d love for them to become more competitive and really duke it out. It makes both teams better in the long run. Just IMO.
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Like I said, competitive again, implying that it hasn’t been competitive recently
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 1, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you—FrankD said it was competitive, disagreeing with you. I was supporting your point.
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You don’t think it was competitive for the past, say, two or three years? I mean, I know one can argue that Pittsburgh has had Philly’s number, but it hasn’t exactly been an easy rout for the Pens in that sense. That’s why I can admire the competition end of things, but can also see why you’d disagree with me.
Alls I know is that every time the Flyers play the Pens, they’re the one team I’ve never, ever been comfortable with just saying, “Well, this’ll be easy.” And to me, I guess that’s what I perceive as healthy competition.
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I think that’s because you remember the past, probably moreso than some of the contemporary Pen fans. I usually get “we’re gonna kick your *ss because we pwn you” from my Crosby-loving friends. Interestingly enough, none of them have ever lived in Pittsburgh, so make of that what you will. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, mind you, but I believe a big part of being a fan is knowing where your team came from in addition to where it’s going.
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i’m really gonna miss his “intangibles.” it’ll be weird not seeing him wait at the bench high-fiving everyone after games as they go in the locker room. and his whole “we’re a family and we’re starting to play like it” quotes. he was awesome.
and the days of no shave November because of the winning of the shootout?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 1, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Line Speculation
Ok, although Chuck Gormley has pretty much killed the rumor, I have spent the last little bit thinking of line combinations and Guerin really gives the Flyers some versatile options.
Giroux / Richards / Zherdev
Hartnell / Briere / Leino
JvR / Carter / Guerin
Lappy / Betts / Powe
OR
Giroux / Richards / Guerin
Hartnell / Briere / Leino
JvR / Carter / Zherdev
Lappy / Betts / Powe
Ultimately, the Flyers have the problem of having too many centers. Assuming that all 5 are going to make the team (which I anticipate to be the case), one will have to switch to wing. Obviously, its not Richards. Carter doesn’t want to and refuses to adjust. So basically, that means Giroux will have to play wing. However, having Guerin is nice because, he can play on any of the top 3 lines and brings a dimension that, otherwise, the Flyers are without (as FrankD said above). Seeing as the Hartnell / Carter / Leino did so well in the playoffs, I left them untouched. Also, I really like our 4th line as the defensive specialists so I left them. So, that means Guerin can jump up and play on the first line with Richards (which I love the thought of), as he did with Crosby last season or can play wing for Carter and JvR. He would bring a good grinding/mucking dimension for those two.
Basically, Guerin’s addition would make Carcillo completely irrelevant, as Travis pointed out. I left Shelly as the 13th forward, which makes me mad seeing as how much money he is making for sitting in the Press Box.
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i think you get more balance splitting Giroux and Richards up considering they’re both good facilitators.
Actually, that is what I wanted but the fact that Carter is a little bitch about playing wing means that he has to center the third line. Assuming that you don’t touch the Hartnell / Briere / Leino line, the only other option is this:
Guerin / Richards / Zherdev
Hartnell / Briere / Leino
JvR / Carter / Giroux
Lappy / Betts / Powe
Its not terrible either. That is a pretty awesome third line. It reminds me of the 08-09 Flyers team that had 3 legitimate scoring lines.
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by Mitchell Green on Sep 1, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
i dnt like putting both carts and g on the third line, g has especially proven he deserves and needs top line minutes to suceed even more, and although harts-briere-leino was fantastic in playoffs, i do not think that they can maintain that production level through a season
by flyersfangiroux on Sep 1, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because its third in the rankings or is called the third line doesnt mean they wont get their fair share of minutes.
Agreed. Hopefully, those 3 scoring lines would get somewhat even time, depending on who is hot at that point. That way, you can preserve some of these guys during a long season. Keeping JvR and Guerin to less minutes might be a good idea seeing as Guerin is old and JvR is still adjusting to the gruelling nature of the NHL season.
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by Mitchell Green on Sep 1, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd rather see...
Giroux-Richie-Zherdev
JVR-Carts-Briere
Harts-Leino-Guiren
Lappy-Betts-Powe
I know pple dont wanna split up the best playoff line we had, but reality is carter needs to be center and giroux needs to get top 6 minutes. Plus i think giroux+richie would make a dirty pair. Plus i believe that Leino’s natural position is center and the third line could be a good mix between skill and hard work. Briere and G have proven that they can swing to a wing and be relatively sucessful, plus with such stellar linemates, they’ll have an excellent chance of succeeding
by flyersfangiroux on Sep 1, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
And not to seem like a tool, but I’m all for following the Pittsburgh playbook. Lose 1st of 2 Stanley Cup Appearance, bring in veteran presence, win 2nd Stanley Cup Appearance. I don’t like saying this, but I truly do believe that adding a guy like Guerin makes us 1 of the 2 best teams in the East, and the 2nd best team in Pennsylvania
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 1, 2010 2:55 PM EDT reply actions
I’d be really surprised if Carcillo was sent packing because he wears Guerin’s jersey number. That just doesn’t seem plausible. It’s not like people don’t take different numbers when this happens.
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it was a joke, bud
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 1, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
It didn’t translate well.
/Sarcasm tags would have been helpful.
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by ronnybrook.blog on Sep 1, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
i’m usually slow on the uptake with the hidden sarcasm but in this case i thought it was hilarious. nice work travis
The most likely swap seems to be Carcillo for Guerin. First off, the number 13 problem goes away. That’s clearly the most important thing here.
Agreed.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 1, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Malone actually just did the same for Gagne in TB. Gagne wanted 12, and Malone gave it up in favor of 6 (?!).
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I like to think I’m a relatively intelligent guy (feel free to debate that), so I mean… if I think a guy can be sent packing because of a jersey number…
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 1, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I was willing to trade Malone so Gags could wear #12 … Hahahahaha!
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Ooh, that would have been nice for the Flyers – to get Malone in return instead of just a mild “thank you”.
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by MaximumTalbot on Sep 2, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I didn’t necessarily mean trading him to the Flyers though… His cap hit and a long contract… that would send the Flyers to hell…
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True – guess I’m just bitter that the team sent Simon away for basically nothing.
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by MaximumTalbot on Sep 2, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha! I hear you… there’s no need to explain this to me. Especially me… :)
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 1, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Veteran tough guy who will take a small salary, provide scoring, championship experience and an overall great locker room presence? Do it Homer.
I can totally do without Carcillo we have Shelly to fight and plenty of team toughness throughout the lineup. Carcillo’s act gets old and come playoff time it when the other goons are in the pressbox or playing golf his antics can really hurt you. I simply don’t care for agitators it is bush-league.
Besides all that Carcillo doesn’t fit he doesn’t belong on a scoring line if we are trying to run 3 scoring lines he is out. Our 4th line is fill of better role players and guys can play the pk.
Guerin-Richards-Giroux sounds a lot better than Carcillo-Richards-Giroux and we can probably get something for Carcillo whom we can’t afford to resign next year anyway.
by chrislanci on Sep 1, 2010 4:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
so i take it you don’t fear the ‘stache? i wonder if homer can get a third line scoring winger and a 2nd round pick in return for chico. that’s what he’s worth right? …right?
2nd round pick maybe we wouldn’t need any more roster players. In all honesty I like Carcillo better than Powe because Carcillo has better hands and can be spotted as a top 9 forward and I feel Nodl can replace Powe as a call up. Not sure who fills in for Betts as 4th line center without Powe.
Carcillo-Betts-Lappy
Shelly
if Betts or Lappy go down Kalinski and Nodl fill in there if another top 9 winger goes down move Carcillo up play Shelly. If a top 9 center goes down Giroux back to center Carcillo up Shelly on.
by chrislanci on Sep 1, 2010 5:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I figure if Carcillo were to go soon, it won’t be because of his play or whether he fits in, but rather because the front office here doesn’t take too kindly to players who request arbitration. We have a tendency to get rid of guys who ask for it real quick.
by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 1, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
They also have a tendency to get rid of loyal guys, who’ve been here for a decade and had NTC. (evil laugh) Mwahahahaha…
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