Flyers drop eleven round (!) shootout, game to Leafs in London, 4-3
These preseason games in London, Ontario always seem to entertain.
Tonight was no different as the Flyers dropped an eleven-round shootout to the Toronto Maple Leafs. Bill Guerin and Marc-Andre Bourdon were credited with the real, in-game goals (more on that below), while Jeff Carter, Guerin and Joonas Lehtivouri scored in the shootout for the "hometown" Philadelphia Flyers.
Right to the bullets:
- Andrej Meszaros had a pretty weak game. The first Leafs goal was completely his fault, as he let Greg McKegg walk right by him in the slot to get to the loose puck. Brian Boucher had just made several nice saves, too, including a huge one in a three-on-one situation.
The second Leafs goal was probably Meszaros' fault too. He was screening Bob in front of the goal, and um, there was a guy behind him. The point shot went off of one of those guys and beat Sergei Bobrovsky. That's not how you play defense.
- James van Riemsdyk had a penalty shot opportunity in the third after being hooked aside by Luke Schenn while on a breakaway. The break was actually Schenn's fault too, thanks to an errant slap shot that came back the other way. On both the breakaway and the penalty shot, JVR proved why he doesn't participate in the shootout.
- Zac Rinaldo is crazy, and I'm not really sure if that's a good thing. He kind of seems like Steve Downie without the skill. In the second period, he clearly said something Schenn didn't like. Schenn pummeled him for a few seconds, and to Rinaldo's credit, he threw some solid punches from his back, got up, and bloodied Schenn pretty badly.
While that's all fine and dandy, he was thrown out of the game for not tying his jersey down. That's part of what I mean by the "not a good thing" part. He's Zac Rinaldo. He knows he's going to get in a fight. Why the hell wouldn't he tie his jersey down? That's bush league crap that can hurt a team when the games count.
- Mike Testwuide got a look on the penalty kill. Let's not do that again.
- Carter looks rejuvenated. He's carrying the puck more, taking smarter shots, backchecking and even using his size to his advantage more. The pretty shootout goal helps. This is obviously all good, because the Flyers really need him to step it up this year. Also, Scott Hartnell looks strong as well.
More bullet points and the comment of the night, after the jump.
- Other Flyers on the "had a good game" list: Andrew Rowe, Oskars Bartulis, Bourdon (who even got in a fight). Andreas Nodl had an okay game, but for somebody fighting to become one of the first call-ups, he needs to be a bit better. Very borderline game from Nodl.
- Jon Kalinski had a rough game. Pretty invisible, two penalties including one borderline blindside elbow, etc.
- The first two Flyers goals were pretty fluky. Jonas Gustavsson put a bounce off the boards in off the back of his skate for the first one, and the second one was a Guerin shot off of a Leafs defenseman.
- You can't blame the Flyers goalies for either goal. Speaking of goalies...
- Boucher looked fantastic in two periods of work. Great positioning, quick movement, etc. Better than Michael Leighton did the other night ... *whistles* ...
- Sergei Bobrovsky looked good as well. Poised and confident. Nazem Kadri had a beauty in the shootout and Bob almost stopped him, and he also looked pretty good in the shootout overall. Of course, it doesn't go 11 rounds without some magic goaltending. It did look, however, that as the shootout progressed, the Leafs realized to go high glove on him. Something to work on.
- We'll be nice to the Leafs for a second: Luke Schenn is a fun player to watch -- fiesty, too. James Riemer had a great second half of the game in goal and a fantastic shootout, too. Jay Rosehill is a POS. 1967. I only said a second, right?
- As a side note, Meet The Flyers aired at 9 PM tonight on CSN. Bill Guerin was on stage, talking, etc. Why would they put a guy on stage if he's not really a Flyer? Answer: because he is a Flyer. Only a matter of time.
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I think Schenn’s actually bleeding from before Rinaldo even threw a punch. When they fell his visor cut him. Rinaldo definitely hung tough and landed some good shots. The ejection was bad luck. The tie down probably just ripped.
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Definitely possible. In the picture above, it does look like it could be a visor cut across the nose.
Not so sure about the tie down. I’m not willing to give Rinaldo the benefit of the doubt.
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 23, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn’t it an additional unsportsmanlike to fight with a visor on?
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 24, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, tryout contract my ass. Guerin is in and I think everyone knows it. His locker is already in the middle of the room from what I understand. All signs point to him being signed and all of this is just a formality. As an aside, we don’t have to do that lameass WWBGD stuff here do we?
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Right in the middle. Gagne’s old spot, I believe.
And no, we don’t. Thank God.
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 23, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
the question is, what does Billy Guerin sign for…I’m guessing 850K of the 877K Flyers have under the cap
by Down Goes Spezza on Sep 23, 2010 10:39 PM EDT reply actions
But if it was 850K, he’d be worth every penny, really.
I’m more worried about them letting Bob play in the NHL at any point this year, he’s our most expensive goalie option….
by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 23, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
If he keeps playing like this through the pre-season and into the start of the AHL season he will definitely get some NHL action. Although I’m scared to see what moves Holmgren would make to fit him under the cap.
Oh really? I didn’t realize Bob would come with a big price tag. (Never thought to ask.)
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He doesn’t in the AHL, but he goes up to $1.75 mil in the NHL. So unless we have a lot of cap room, he isn’t coming up.
Is this the right room for an argument?
say betts is on LTIR, then it all works carrying everyone. with other injuries later on, im sure it will be plausible as well.
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FORWARDS
Jeff Carter ($5.000m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Bill Guerin ($0.875m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($0.800m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($0.821m) / Nikolai Zherdev ($2.000m)
Ian Laperriere ($1.166m) / Darroll Powe ($0.725m) / Daniel Carcillo ($1.075m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m)
DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Sean O’Donnell ($1.300m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Matt Walker ($1.700m)
GOALTENDERS
Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m) /Michael Leighton ($1.550m) Brian Boucher ($0.925m)
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So, as I implied, it isn’t very plausible we will see him on the Flyers, nor do we necessary want a scenario where we would have the room to bring him up b/c, as you said, it would require injuries.
Is this the right room for an argument?
Agree with everything you said Travis. I’ll just add that the article from Seravalli today on Nodl really stuck with me while watching him tonight. It was obvious, to me at least, that Nodl was trying to do a lot more on his own tonight. Problem is, none of it worked.
The positive out of that, obviously, is that a) the coaches are letting him loose; b) he listens to his coaches; and c) he has the confidence in his game to do that, which was severely lacking two years ago. The negative, obviously, is that he didn’t succeed. He had a couple nice chances – the shot through the crease in the first stands out – but he had a few turnovers when he went at it alone.
I want to see him play a lot more in the preseason to see if he can finally breakout.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 23, 2010 10:45 PM EDT reply actions
Both Tim Saunders and Chris Therien thought that Nodl was, pretty unanimously, the best Flyer on the ice. Dude is straight up unlucky because he is doing everything right, as you said, and nothing seems to work.
Going off of that, I feel like the Phantoms should be pretty good this year. Now that Guerin officially becoming a Flyer is nothing more than a formality, there is just no room for any of these young guys to make the big club. This means that, presumably, guys like Testwuide, Holmstrom, Rinaldo, Rowe, Kalinski and Nodl will be headed up to Glens Falls to play with the Phantoms joining guys like Patrick Maroon, Stefan Legein and David Laliberte. Not to mention that Bartulis, Stephenson, Lehtivouri and Bourdon will be manning the blueline with Kevin Marshall and Erik Gustafsson and new signing Dan Jancevski. And, the Phantoms might have one of the best goalie combinations in Backlund and Bobrovsky. Heck throw Riopel into that and the Phantoms look like they could be a really good young, spark plug of a team.
My knowledge of the rest of AHL’s teams is non existent but, as horrendous of season the Phantoms had last year, is it too bold to say that they could be one of the better teams in the Eastern Conference this year?
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by Mitchell Green on Sep 23, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
at least he gets the shot
Matsamoto dominates with a crappy phantoms team, and he never even gets looked at, then we trade him(who i still considered our best scoring prospect) for a 6th rounder.
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Weird that you mention him because I just went over the Canes Country and stalked him to see how he was faring in the pre-season thus far and what his chances of making the team were. By the sounds of it, he is a serious candidate to center the third of fourth line for the Canes but didn’t have a good showing in the Canes’ first pre-season game against the Panthers:
Jon Matsumoto, C — Matsumoto didn’t put his best foot forward in his Carolina debut, throwing a cross-ice pass in his own zone that eventually led to a Florida goal and not making much of an impact otherwise. Stat to know: Carolina needs players who can win faceoffs, and Matsumoto won just two of eight draws.From reading some comments over at Canes Country, Canes fan don’t seem too impressed with Matsumoto thus far.
Not sure if he was in the line-up tonight for Carolina against Nashville.
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by Mitchell Green on Sep 24, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, thanks for that. I can’t believe I wasn’t keeping up with him.
From what I knew of him, he wasn’t very good defensively – not terrible, but not very good – and he was streaky offensively. I really hope he makes the team, so I’ll try to pay more attention to that.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 24, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Both Tim Saunders and Chris Therien thought that Nodl was, pretty unanimously, the best Flyer on the ice.
Really? As an admitted Nodl fan/apologist, I wouldn’t even go that far. I saw a ton of jump from him, but there were at least two times he tried to make a move or get a shot off and he just flubbed it. Which leads into your next sentence:
Dude is straight up unlucky because he is doing everything right, as you said, and nothing seems to work.
I saw that shot that went through the crease and a nice little pass to Hartnell in front, creating a scoring chance, and neither went in. He is very unlucky and I really feel bad for him. There isn’t a whole lot more he can do, other than have one of them go in.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 24, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Had to delete flyrfrk05's comment because it was causing some weird formatting, but here's what it said. (Not sure why.)
JVR proved why he doesn’t participate in the shootout.
JvR agrees with you, Travis…about himself! haha
Deserve a ‘blue card’ after missing two penalty shots tonight, brutal!
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Not sure why it caused the weird formatting on the page, that is.
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 23, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, it was causing me issues when I was previewing the comment so I am not surprised that it was screwing things up.
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by Mitchell Green on Sep 23, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s pretty funny.
Although I have no idea what a “blue card” means…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 23, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Wonder if it’s like the red tag from major league… means coach wants to see you with a ticket to glen falls.
haha, any time someone can mention Major League, it’s a win. That movie is awesome.
I immediately thought soccer – knowing JVR watched the World Cup – so I have no idea what he’s talking about now.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 23, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
That movie is awesome.
Only on cable my friend. On regular TV, it’s a travesty of the worst dubs known to man.
Well, that’s true.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 24, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Worst?
or BEST?
Twenty years after seeing it on USA for the first time, my sister and I still crack up over “Strike this ::completely different voice:: GUY ::Dorn:: out!”
I saw it a few weeks ago on Versus and the part where Harris steals Jobu’s rum it said “Up your bucket Jobu”… which makes no sense because the line didn’t need to be edited.
Also , Die Hard 2 has the best edits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuQP4d_r_Gs
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I rest my case.
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From what I heard, the edits in the Big Lebowski were actually done by Coen on purpose.
But yeah, the Snakes one is pretty bizarre, at least they got Sam L to do the dub.
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Ok Mr. Falcon, I concede, Die Hard 2 was awful… Big Lebowski I also thought was on purpose and was pretty funny. I hadn’t seen the text of the snakes one yet, only heard it but that’s pretty bad (but if Sam L did it, it’s not as bad as Major League where they didn’t even get Corbin to do his dubs). Major League does have a significant number of them though. It’s a lose-lose, or is that a win-win because it’s funny and quotable.
I would say Rinaldo is just as skilled as Downie. Obviously, Downie can score, but Rinaldo is by far a beter pure skater, and he can fly out there(which means he gonna take a charging penalty one day haha). I would love him, one day, over Carcliio and Shelly. Maybe next year if he plays well in Glenn Falls.
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Rinaldo definitely is a very good skater. But I just don’t see the puck skills that Downie has.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 24, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I mean, Tanya Harding was a good skater.
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 24, 2010 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions
But she cant take a hit like Rinaldo can.
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 24, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah she can’t, she just hires other people to do the hitting for her, lol.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Sep 24, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it wrong that I think the most interesting thing about Nancy Kerrigan was when she got hit in the knees? Otherwise, I probably would never have remembered her. I thought she was quite unremarkable and the right person took 1st.
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I don’t think it’s that wrong. In all honesty the only thing I remember from those Olympics was that entire thing about Nancy Kerrigan getting clubbed in the knee and Tanya Harding hiring the person and whatever. But I agree if that didn’t happen I don’t think we would remember her or Tanya Harding.
But every time that incident is mentioned, I think of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU95v23MQ4c
That song is hilarious and so is the video, and every time i hear Tanya Harding the line “so she hired some guy to club her in the kneecap” goes through my head. (The Harding-Kerrigan thing starts at 0:53)
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by Lindbergh 31 on Sep 24, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
also
Is Mez really this bad? I have high hopes, but with Coburn and Carel, Id rather not put a 3rd guy back there who makes defensive mistakes, especially with our 4 average goalies. walker and O’Donnell may not be offensive or fast puck movers, but they can at least hold a 3rd pairing defensively.
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Meszaros has been pretty bad. I’m not sure how much of that is expectations and contract – which, admittedly, is a lot – but he has been noticeably bad.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 24, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s what we were told to expect. We were told he was a contract TBL desperately wanted to dump. We were hoping for some huge spontaneous change. Isn’t looking good right now.
Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Sep 24, 2010 4:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I just don’t get the Guerin love. He has looked so slow that I’m believing the argument that his ponts last year were really only because of playing with Crosby. Save the small amount of cap space and make him an asst coach if Pronger and O’Donnell don’t satisfy the required veteran quotient.
The jerseys look beyond awesome.
Go Oskars!
Pronger’s slow too. You don’t necessarily need to be speedy to be effective in the NHL.
He’s smart with the puck, his hands are great, and he has a cannon for a shot. In a nutshell, I definitely think he’s an upgrade over Carcillo or Powe or whoever he replaces.
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 24, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, with Giroux and Richards as his possible linemates, I’d rather a veteran winger who’s not afraid to shoot then a fighter in that line. Plus, Im sure hes better for development for both those guys then Carcillo will ever be.
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I think a convincing moment for Guerin still having “it” last night would be his shootout goal. Calm, confident, and made it look really easy. It gave us a good look at how nice the release is on his shot, and for the bargain price tag we’re likely to get in this situation, he’s going to be worth it.
by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 24, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
After watching Guerin last night, I’m not impressed. I know he scored a goal, but that was more fluky than anything. He did capitalize on his savvy and score in the shootout, but I think that may have more to do with youth vs. experience. I realize it’s early in the preseason and there were few regulars around him, but his passing was for the most part atrocious. I agree with Hans that he looked slow and not able to push the play. I’m willing to reserve judgment until after a few more games, but as of now, I’m not convinced that he deserves to be signed at the expense of someone already under contract.
by Pocono Flyers Fan on Sep 24, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions
I’m not convinced that he deserves to be signed at the expense of someone already under contract.
I think that’s the important part most people are forgetting. Signing Guerin forces a move of a non-waiver exempt player. I’m not saying he is, or isn’t worth it, but I think people keep forgetting that aspect of the situation.
Is this the right room for an argument?
I’m trying not to think about it, since it will be happening. Don’t think of it like “who are we signing Guerin at the expense of” think of it was “what player is being moved, since we have too many?” He signed a contract a week ago in invisible ink.
Then unless he starts to demonstrate that he’s significantly better than somebody else, I’ll give Homer my invisible scissors to cut it into tiny pieces
by Pocono Flyers Fan on Sep 24, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
He still gets paid 850K to play in Glen Falls is a not bad gig for a 23 year old who grew up in Ogre Latvia.
You realize if they need him at all during the season, he will most likely be claimed off re-entry waivers given his cap friendly hit (which I’m sure he is happy to be making) and experience last year. Just saying, since you tend not to look ahead, it’s something to consider.
Is this the right room for an argument?
Nodl is Nodl he is not unlucky he just can’t produce points. He is a fine Defensive Forward maybe better than fine but this notion of Nodl ever been a point producer has to go away.
Meszaros I thought Meszaros had a much better game than he did in game 1. I don’t know how you are blaming him on that Armstrong goal. He completely negated Armstrong had body position on him the puck just caught the side of Armstrong pant leg and deflected in that is a bad bounce not a bad play. Comparing that to Bartulis who couldn’t do anything with that guy in NJ allowing the easy deflection. The scrutiny is going to be extremely high on Mez give the guy a fair shot. And the 1st goal was a complete scramble situation as was much of the game too much running around a lot of things went wrong on that play.
Bourdon and Lehtourvi (sp) Neither really impressed me. Bourdon seemed to get turned around a lot he was a bit nastier than I thought he would be as a frenchmen. Lehtourvi was strong on the boards which I also didn’t expect but both these guys where out of position a lot and turned the puck over way to much.
Testuwide Is it time for those stories to end with him making this team. I wasn’t too impressed with him either lots of turnovers. Lots of running around.
Guerin I though Guerin also turned the puck over a lot more than expected with poor decisions especially on the breakout and in the defensive zone. But in the offensive zone I think he is play strong on the puck and simplifies his game getting the puck to net.
Boucher Boosh was pretty damn good last night. The defensive coverage was scrambling and Boosh played well couldn’t fault him for any of those goals and made some key difficult saves. For I guy I usually bash Boosh played really good under control goaltending.
this notion of Nodl ever been a point producer has to go away.
Right, because:
Age 18, 59 points in 58 GP
Age 19, 46 points in 40 GP
Age 20, 44 points in 40 GP
is not what a “point producer” does.
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