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Why Sergei Bobrovsky should start in Adirondack, no matter what

With the news of an injury to Michael Leighton, a lot of people are clamoring for 22-year-old goalie prospect Sergei Bobrovsky to take his place on the Flyers roster to start the season, should a replacement become necessary.

While Bobrovsky continues to live up to all of the hype this preseason, creating a buzz unlike any young goalie prospect we've seen in years, bringing him up to the big club now would be a mistake. It's not the right move, regardless of what happens with the Flyers goaltending situation over the next few weeks and no matter what he does over the next two weeks.

Bobrovsky is still very young. Yes, he's played in the top league in Russia in parts of four seasons now, and while his time there was just as impressive as his short time here in North America has been this summer and early fall, to suggest he's ready for A) the best players in the world and B) the rigors and expectations of an NHL season is just silly.

After the jump, several reasons why Bobrovsky needs to start this season in Adirondack, not Philadelphia, regardless of how he plays in the preseason.

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- Money: Paramount of anything else in the salary cap era is the concern of money, and with just enough wiggle room under that cap to survive should injury replacements become necessary during the season, they simply cannot afford to add Bobrovsky to the list.

For starters, the only way they'd be able to afford him is if they sent Leighton to LTIR. If Leighton is only out for a week or two, the numbers just won't work without several other moves being made. Believe it or not, Bob's $1.75 million cap hit means he's more expensive than any other goalie the Flyers have under contract. He's $200k more expensive than Leighton.

But what if Leighton's injury becomes so severe that he needs to go on LTIR? Not that there's any evidence to suggest that may be the case at this point, mind you, but if he does, the Flyers could obviously just replace him with Bob's salary, right?

I'm not so sure about that. I mean, they could, but they might hamstring themselves as a result. With only $877k in room under the cap as of now, the Flyers can't really afford to add even $200k in salary. What if they need to add more than $600k in salary at some point? They'd be screwed.

- Adjusting to North America: This one is pretty simple, but Bobrovsky has played a total of five periods of NHL game action on this continent. After playing on the large rink in Europe his entire life, without a goaltender coach at his disposal, there's going to be a lengthy adjustment period, regardless of how comfortable he may look now in the preseason. Bob's also played no more than 35 games in a season. Ever.

- Expectations: Piggybacking off of that last reason, there will be things he needs to work on. It's inevitable. He needs time to make adjustments and get used to a new style of hockey, and he needs to have as little pressure as possible on him when he's going through this process. The Flyers want to win the Stanley Cup this season, and when you combine that with the lengthy history of goaltending hell in this town, it's just not a good situation to throw a rookie goalie into.

If Bobrovsky falters, which he inevitably will at some point during his first season in North America, the boo birds will quickly come out if he's in Philadelphia. "Yet another goalie that can't handle it, that's just a tease," they'll say. That likely won't be the truth, but the backlash will almost certainly effect the young Russian mentally.

- Other options: It's not like Bobrovsky is the only option should Leighton wind up sitting for a lengthy period of time. Some might say that Johan Backlund's hip injury would force the Flyers hand, making them bring Bob up whether they want to or not. That's just not the truth.

Should Leighton be out long enough to go on LTIR, there are a few veteran options in the free agent market that would be much cheaper than either he or Bobrovsky would be. The two names that immediately stick out on an admittedly short UFA goalie list are Manny Legace and Wade Dubielewicz. Other guys, like Jose Theodore and Vesa Toskala, are either too expensive or too... um, bad at hockey AND expensive, to be considered.

No, they aren't impressive options, but they would just be temporary fill-in guys that would mostly ride the pine. In any event, they're cheap and much better choices than throwing a 22-year-old rookie in before he's ready.

So, why is the AHL the perfect remedy for all of these issues?

For starters, the expectations in Glens Falls are nowhere near what they are in Philadelphia. With all due respect to Phantoms fans up in the Adirondacks, it just doesn't matter as much in terms of the big picture if Bobrovsky goes through his inevitable growing pains up there. In fact, it's greatly preferred.

Secondly, he'll get to experience the rigors of an 82 game (more, perhaps, with playoffs) schedule in the AHL. He would likely split time with Nic Riopel there, but even if he plays only half the games, the experience will be fantastic and he'll still play more hockey than he ever has in his life.

Finally, Bob makes $67,500 as an AHL player, and while that sucks for him, it keeps the Flyers from paying him the big bucks before he's truly earned it.

None of this is to say we shouldn't be excited over what we've seen from Bob this preseason. Nobody can deny he's been impressive, and the fact that he's basically been self-coached his whole career until now? Well, damn, we might in fact have a gem.

For that very reason, we need to make sure he's treated properly and not rushed at all. We want him to become the best goalie he possibly can become, and the only way that's going to happen is if he takes it slow.

The Flyers can get by without Bobrovsky this season (and yes, that means they could win the Cup). If they want to protect his potential, in fact, they have to get by without him.

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I completely agree. People are just riding the emotion after seeing him play in the preseason. He has been good but he definitely needs to work on his skills in Upstate NY. The only way the Flyers should even consider bringing him to Philly this year is if he completely COMPLETELY lights up the AHL and Leights, Boosh/Backlund both get hurt and there are no UFA goalies worth signing. That’s the only way its acceptable to me.

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by kmblue on Sep 26, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m sure a season with the Phantoms would do wonders for Bob, but how bad could a season in the NHL be? I mean, he’ll be playing behind 3 pretty solid defensive pairings, so that should limit the number of pucks he sees, right?

Don’t worry about the backlash from the fans, the kid doesn’t know one bit of English, he won’t be reading the papers or BSH anytime soon this season.

by edbro on Sep 26, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Booing and yelling translates pretty well, I think.

A limited number of pucks isn’t what he needs. He needs work. He needs to learn.

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by Travis Hughes on Sep 26, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, how is he going to learn to play the North American game if he’s not actually playing? Watching from the bench doesn’t get you very far.

by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 26, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m all for him playing if he goes to the NHL, I wouldn’t call him up to sit him on the bench except for every odd game here and there.

As for the limited pucks, he’d still be learning, it’s not as if the Flyers D would prevent every shot from reaching the net, he’d still face about 25 shots a night. I’m just saying as a goalie that might be easier to deal with and build your confidence up as opposed to facing 32+ shots a night and being left hung out to dry on several odd man rushes that would be bound to happen with a weaker defensive group.

by edbro on Sep 26, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m thinking in terms of Lavi’s proven record of not sharing the crease between goaltenders, he’d be lucky to get every odd game here and there. We can agree to disagree, but I don’t think the pressure and expectations would be healthy right now. We’re talking about a guy who we know that just a week ago was still being taught major adaptations to his game.

by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 26, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s taking English lesson 3 days a week, and don’t you think he can understand boos? I think the fans, if it were to happen, would get their point across in any language. Mind you, I don’t want to see it happen at all.

by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 26, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t being serious, obviously, the guy would know what the fans mean by their booing. I was just making a joke on his limited English, guess it didn’t come off too well.

by edbro on Sep 26, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I guess my sarcasm meter malfunctioned this morning.

by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 26, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s probably on me, I don’t convey jokes to well haha

by edbro on Sep 26, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for being the voice of reason, Travis.

If Bobrovsky falters, which he inevitably will at some point during his first season in North America, the boo birds will quickly come out if he’s in Philadelphia. “Yet another goalie that can’t handle it, that’s just a tease,” they’ll say. That likely won’t be the truth, but the backlash will almost certainly effect the young Russian mentally.
We may have a slightly lower reputation for goalie backlash than Montreal, but the gap really isn’t all that wide. For reference, see the expectations heaped on Boucher at the start of the 2000 season and how quickly we turned on him, or how much we blame we heaped on Cechmanek when he had horrible outings, or how many of our “goalie of the future” prospects have self destructed.

by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 26, 2010 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Can someone explain all the rules about a player going on LTIR?

by BigD19 on Sep 26, 2010 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Basically, if a player goes on LTIR, we can exceed the salary cap but the amount of his salary to replace that player on the active roster. While we say Leighton’s 1.5M hit effectively “disappears” from the cap, it’s more like the team gets permission to exceed the cap by 1.5M. But then as soon as Leighton were to finish his LTIR (and short rehab stint in the AHL, but even that has a restricted length), we have to move players back to the AHL to get back down to an active roster of 23 and make room for Leighton under the cap immediately.

by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 26, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, I was hoping you would see that comment and have time to explain it.

by BigD19 on Sep 26, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I forgot, eligibility to go on LTIR has to be determined by an NHL doctor, who has to deem that the injury is significant enough to move the player off the roster at all. If there’s absolutely no evidence of a real injury, the Flyers can’t just make an arbitrary decision. It’s not really that hard to get permission for the player to go, but it still has to be done.

by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 26, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

The thank you applies here as well

by BigD19 on Sep 26, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

CBA geek at your service, as always. The nice pretty FAQ is still a work in progress, but it’s getting there.

by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 26, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

We all gotta remember though, that this is the same team that had no problem playing Luca Sbisa as an 18 yr old, when everyone was saying that they were just building up his confidence in camp, and then he went on and started half the season with us. Most of us all thought JVR, not matter what he did, was gonna start the season in the AHL. He also started and played a full season last year. Will it be better if he played in the AHL? Yes, but management continues to show they have no problem playing a guy if he shows during preseason that he can play. The injury of Leighton and Bob playing a fulll game yesterday has showed that keeping Bob on the big team is a big option.

by sa cyred on Sep 26, 2010 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

tough one

pro: he’s really talented, probably would adjust quickly to the NHL game (he’s not being asked to switch glovehands), I doubt a brief NHL stint that is lackluster will leave him irreparably damaged by PTSD

con: what’s the rush we have Boosh, deserves time to ripen a bit in the AHL

i think the salary cap issue can probably be dealt with, eg waive Mesz walker and praise gustafsson for winning a spot out of camp

Leighton and Backlund health significantly impact the decision so I’m going to wait and see

by Hans S on Sep 26, 2010 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Waiving Mesz scares me. I don’t want to do it unless it’s permanent, as in for the entire season. Sure his 4M cap hit looks terrible to us, but can we guarantee that if we have to call him back up, nobody snags him off re-entry waivers for 2M? I can’t say they won’t, if other teams believe he has any potential at all (please god let them not believe he has any at all). And as I said the other day, we would be stuck with that 2M cap penalty for all 4 years. I wish I could be confident that it wouldn’t happen, but I’m just so afraid that it would.

by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 26, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

( I know you crossed it out, but it still hit a nerve, sorry. )

by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 26, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see them waiving Meszaros as slim to none. He really hasnt been THAT bad this preseason. Homer went out and traded a 2nd for him. It would be foolish to waive him now. I see either Walker or even O’Donnell being waived at some point this season.

by sa cyred on Sep 26, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He hasn’t been THAT bad, but he hasn’t proven he’s even worth half his cap hit IMO.

Foolish? You’re freeing up 4 mill in cap space. The only way it would prove to be a foolish move is if they waived him and then tried to bring him up again and another team claimed him.

by edbro on Sep 26, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The guy has the potential to be a top 4 d-man. He was expected to be the #1 guy on a terrible Rangers defense. I would like to see how he does in our system first before we start writing him off. Is he worth too much? Yea. But he is on the team right now and has the potential to be very good. Hopefully playing for Tampa didnt ruin him. He was very good before he was in Tampa and started off good there. But then it all went down hill

by sa cyred on Sep 26, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sry new here, didnt mean Rangers, meant Lightening. Dont know how to edit.

by sa cyred on Sep 26, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I understand your view on it. Honestly, I hoped he would be a legitimate 2nd pairing defenseman for the money he’s getting because than the cap hit might not seem too bad. However, he’s done nothing thus far to suggest that he’s worth it. They should definitely give him some more time to adjust, they don’t need to waive him before the season starts.

However, sometimes you just have to admit that the signing/contract was a screw up. Rangers did it with Redden. While Meszaros isn’t on the level Redden was, we don’t have the luxury of abundant cap space to let him play with the Flyers and hope he gets better when that cap space could be used elsewhere. Either way, he’s gone before next season when the Flyers will have some big contracts to sign.

by edbro on Sep 26, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we waive Mesz, that has to be the end of it for the season, we cannot take a chance of some else claiming him on re-entry waivers. But honestly, I wouldn’t mind waiving Meszaros and calling up one of the younger guys, Gustafsson or Bourdon

by edbro on Sep 26, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Memories of Randy Jones

shudder

Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Sep 27, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

1- Yes, Mesz needs to play better. 2 – We seem to be in a hurry to condemn a very good dman. Waiving him isn’t an option, nor is it deserved after some drills and scrimmages.

On the rookie goalie side – Chicago did ok with a rookie coming from a Euro league. Det looked pretty solid with Howard. Boston seemed comfortable replacing a Vezina winner with another euro rook. This is what training camp is for – competition. If Bobrovsky earns a spot with his play, he should play. If he doesn’t, the foliage in Adirondack is lovely now. Same with Leighton or Boucher.

by scottymac on Sep 26, 2010 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Chicago did ok with a rookie coming from a Euro league.

Who’s 27 and had spent the previous year in the AHL. Much like Backlund, really.

Det looked pretty solid with Howard.

Who’s 26 and had been in the AHL since ’05-06.

Boston seemed comfortable replacing a Vezina winner with another euro rook.

Who spent the previous two seasons adjusting his game in the AHL.

Believe me, I so wish it was this straightforward… but it’s really not. Look at what happened to Carey Price. He may have been physically ready (which Bob is not) but he wasn’t mentally ready, and that’s not a risk you want to take. Philadelphia isn’t as bad as Montreal, as Jen was saying, but the organization is in a win-now mode and really isn’t in a scenario to have a developing goalie with the NHL club if they can at all avoid it (look at what happened to Boosh a decade ago).

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by Ben Feldman on Sep 26, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since you brought up Price, I feel I should throw in a mention of the case of a rookie goaltender to shine brightly in his initial introduction into the NHL, only to take a steep fall shortly thereafter: Marc-Andre Fleury. Stellar first couple of outings, October Rookie of the month I believe, but after spending too much time behind a terrible defense, his stats plummeted. After 21 games, he didn’t go to the AHL, but was loaned back to the Q. Yes, I’m leaving out some details like finances, but that’s the super truncated version. He wasn’t permanent ruined by it, but the point is about what Bob would do this season. While Bob wouldn’t be behind a bad defense, and is in fact used to being behind one, there’s still no reason to throw him into the fire right now.

by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 26, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Pens were also tanking for Ovechkin that season. I’m quite sure they pulled highly questionable goalie moves back when they were tanking for Lemieux too.

Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Sep 27, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

He still went 4-14-2 and posted a save percentage below 0.900 that year, despite starting off with some stellar games. I did say it was the truncated version, after all, but his play dropped off significantly even without the finances being brought up, which is why I didn’t feel it was necessary.

Save percentage, first 4 games played in 2003-04: 0.958, 0.912, 0.972, 0.941
Save percentage, last 4 games played in 2003-04: 0.840, 0.739, 0.848, 0.868
Source: Game Log: Marc-Andre Fleury, 2003-2004

To me, that’s a steep drop off in play.

by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 27, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Backlund returns from injury soon, then there’s no doubt that you put Bob in the AHL and wait until the trade deadline to even think of bringing him up to the Flyers. But if Backlund and Leighton are both injured, I think Bob has to play with the Flyers until they get another goalie back in the lineup. Bob may not be ready for the NHL yet, but he’s more ready than Riopel or Stewart.

By the way, whatever happened to Patrick Maroon?

by memphisbrando on Sep 26, 2010 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s still in the organization, though it seems like he’s fallen off the face of the earth, doesn’t it? This is the last year of his entry level deal, though, and unless he has an incredible breakout year, I kinda doubt he’ll be back.

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by Ben Feldman on Sep 26, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

He does have a locker in the room in Voorhees. Right next to Boosh, I think.

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by Travis Hughes on Sep 26, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t like the implications that has for Boosh….

by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 26, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, Boosh and Leighton are right on opposite sides of the white board along the wall.

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by Travis Hughes on Sep 26, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m in complete agreement, though i do have one question:

How often does Reese work with the Phantoms goalies, and/or does the Phantoms organization have it’s own goalie coach with a good rep?

by VorAbaddon on Sep 26, 2010 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Im a bit curious as well, i could see the benefits of having him be a backup this season for the flyers solely because of the time he will get to spend with Jeff Reese. But the time he would see playing in the ahl and continuing to “marinade” (thats the way i’d like to look at it) could be very crucial.

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by Nolbs13 on Sep 26, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was at the game last night.
(Minnesota native, Flyers fan forever)
I’m joining in here for the first time, after lurking all last season when I discovered this wonderful community.
I thought Bobrovsky look shaky at the start, but he seemed to gain more confidence as the game went on. He never had my total confidence, however. That has to be earned. Boosh was backing up, I wish he’d played. I see the guys so rarely in person it would have been a treat to have him between the pipes. I really wanted to yell “Booo-sh” in person too, not just at the TV! Last Feb. when they were here, Emery had just gotten hurt and Leights was in net. We lost.

Does anyone there in Philly know why Carcillo got tossed out of the game in the 2nd? He got a 2 min penalty called on him. then he seemed to be upset about something which earned him a 10 min misconduct, then he really got pissed which got him tossed out on a game misconduct. It actually was cool to see him do his thing in person too, as I’ve seen so many times on TV. There was nothing in the press here to explain it.
Two guys who impressed me were Walker, who had a fight and looked good doing it, and Gustafson who played regular shifts on D and seemed like he was out for most of the OT.
Some jerk behind me was giving me grief over my #16 retro Bobby Clarke jersey as we went into overtime. Geez, I’m a 50 year old female! Ok, I was kinda loud but sheesh, I’m just cheering for my team, who rarely make it here. But hey, I’m a Flyers fan, i can take it!
He said, “Clarke, is he still alive?” Then he goes “what were they called back then?” to which I replied “Stanley Cup Champions.” He backed off.
I’m so glad I found this community with passions that run as high as mine for this team, this franchise. My dream vacation is to get to Philly in the winter someday and take in a homestand surrounded by a sea of orange all cheering for the same team I am!
Let’s Go Flyers!

by I'dRatherBeInPhilly on Sep 26, 2010 1:43 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Welcome. That’s an awesome response to that guy.

I think Carcillo was thrown out for just generally being a prick. Or, for being Dan Carcillo. I thought it was warranted.

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by Travis Hughes on Sep 26, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

OMG! Your response to that guy made me laugh! Amazing!

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by Katchis on Sep 26, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can sympathize. I live in the middle of Maryland. Everyone is wearing either Red and blue or black and gold. I get teased (and not in a good way) by damn near everyone while wearing my Flyers stuff. I usually can’t think up of good comebacks on the fly like you did, though. =)

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by Sakurafire on Sep 28, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m in Maryland too. Get lots of crap when I wear my orange and black. It’s very satisfying. :-)

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by hintzy64 on Sep 28, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’m all for having bob stay in the ahl for the year i think it will be very beneficial for him. the question i have is what happens if he does have a break out season with them, is it then reasonable to bring him up to the flyers? will one year reguardless of how he does be enough to make that leap to push leights, boosh, and backs?

by KyDi on Sep 26, 2010 2:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, it took Backlund about a year to fully adjust (he certainly has my full confidence at this point), and I think Bobrovsky has more raw skill than Backlund. So a year in Adirondack should be perfect — his angles and crease depth will be better adjusted and he’ll be in a low pressure situation where, quite frankly, nobody will care if he makes some mistakes in the process. Not to mention adjusting his body to an 82-game schedule. I’m somewhat concerned he won’t get enough playing time with the logjam they’re going to have up there, though.

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by Ben Feldman on Sep 26, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just wanted to throw out one more bit of reasoning for Bob to stay in the AHL this year… He’s the only one of the 4 that doesn’t have to clear waivers. So if somebody else is hurt, he can come and go as he pleases…. But the other three? If they’re in the AHL, I hope they don’t get called up; while it’s a doomsday scenario, any of the three could be attractive at half price.

by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 26, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

How many NHL games does he have to play till Bob isn’t waiver exempt?

Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Sep 27, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you mean you meant how many games does he have to play before he starts having to clear waivers, so that’s the way I’m going to answer it….

For contract purposes, Bob signed his first NHL deal at 21. Goalies signed at 21 are exempt for 4 full seasons or until they have 60 NHL games played. Waiver exemption ends immediately upon either condition being reached.

by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 27, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK that should be fine for us this season then. Thanks.

Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Sep 27, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

What’s the story with Leights and Backlund? Because if they are still injured come seasons start there might not be any choice other than keeping Bob up

Backing Backlund for 2010-2011
Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Sep 26, 2010 5:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Here is something little on Leighton.

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by Katchis on Sep 26, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would keep Bob up only if they need to buy time for Leighton / Backlund. If it looks like one of them will be back sooner than later – like by the end of October, TOPS – then I’m fine with Bob being here until then. Aside from that I agree that he needs to be on the Phantoms this year.

If I’m the Flyers, under no circumstances would I consider going out and getting someone else unless both Leighton AND Backlund are going to be out for several months. I surely hope the Flyers wouldn’t give Bob the Kolb treatment – throw money at him, tell him he’s the goalie of the future, then immediately replace him with someone not already on the team (like Theodore). I know that Kolb’s situation didn’t play out exactly like that, but you get my meaning. I’d like to think that the organization would have the requisite class and enough confidence in Bob to let him fill in for a couple of games in October, should it come to that. And if it does come down to that, I’d be fine with it.

I’ll withhold my final judgment until we get results from Leighton and see how Backlund is progressing.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Sep 26, 2010 9:40 PM EDT reply actions  

All of this I agree with. Especially the Kolb part.

Backing Backlund for 2010-2011
Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Sep 26, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Travis you bastard, why must you use reason to crush my wildest dreams. It’s like you’re telling me Simon Gagne was traded or something!

Wait Simon was traded? Dammit.

by tmurder on Sep 26, 2010 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Speaking of Simon Gagne

Seems I remember he entered the NHL at 19.. Guess the Flyers should have sat on him for a couple more years.

Look it, people either can cope with pressure or they can’t.

Travis makes a good point about the conditioning aspects of it, but if Bob has the skills to play, then he has the skills to play, and 22 years old is not too young to play in the NHL.

Patrick Roy was a rookie at 19

Sometimes people here seem to get caught up in over analysis and armchair management as if this is fantasy hockey and the most important thing is being conservative and playing not to lose.

I hope that this injury to Leighton is not as bad as it’s starting to look like it might be. But if it is, and Bob is the 2nd best goalie available (or even the first) then you have to bring him up.

by Gizmoitus on Sep 27, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Patrick Roy was a Hall of Famer, and even he was sent back to his junior team in his first NHL camp.

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by Travis Hughes on Sep 27, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

1) His cap hit at the NHL forces some conservatism b/c you have to take that in to consideration, not that they can’t fit it in, but still something to think about.

2) He may not be the 2nd or 1st best goalie, I still believe Backlund, at this point in time holds that spot b/c of some of what Travis’s has written, and Bob’s obvious lack of comfort in traffic.

3) If he isn’t the guy that you truly believe is going to lead them to the cup (I don’t see how he can be seeing you’ve only really been able to watch him in a few preseason games), then there isn’t a good reason to bring him up to this level at this time.

4) It’s never a strong argument to list exceptions to the rule.

Is this the right room for an argument?

by DLJr on Sep 27, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

1. Simon Gagne was drafted at the age of 18 and was sent back to the Q to play one more season with the Remparts.

2. You can’t really take a forward and compare him with a goalie. Goaltenders are absolutely unique chapter in hockey. Different than skaters.

3. Patrick Roy was/is a Canadian, he never had to adjust to North American style of hockey.

4. Patrick Roy was… well, Patrick Roy.

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by Katchis on Sep 27, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

You and DLJr say the things that I’m too lazy to.

Backing Backlund for 2010-2011
Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Sep 27, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does this mean I finally get some cool points back?

Is this the right room for an argument?

by DLJr on Sep 28, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’ll be lucky.

Backing Backlund for 2010-2011
Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Sep 28, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is it these “cool points” you speak of?

I love the Lightning AND the Flyers... go ahead, preach me!
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
American Cheese, B!tch! ... #1 mission? Kill Holmgren.

by Katchis on Sep 28, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once Todd found out I supported Leighton last year, he lost some respect for me here.

Is this the right room for an argument?

by DLJr on Sep 28, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see! Guess I’m not that cool either… O_o

I love the Lightning AND the Flyers... go ahead, preach me!
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
American Cheese, B!tch! ... #1 mission? Kill Holmgren.

by Katchis on Sep 29, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great article.

As much as I’m excited about Bob, his progress this week, and his insane potential, you’re right. We have to wait.

Ignoring the cap issues (just like Homer, zing!), the length of the schedule and different playing styles (ie traffic in front of the net) alone are good enough reasons to give him a season in the AHL to acclimate.

Your suggestion of finding a cheap vet to fill in for an injured Leighton (if Backlund isn’t healthy enough to take the job) is a good one. I hadn’t thought of that, even though it seems fairly obvious now.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Sep 27, 2010 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

to suggest he’s ready for A) the best players in the world and B) the rigors and expectations of an NHL season is just silly.

This was basically my point the other day.

by Snevik on Sep 27, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

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