Flyers fall to Devils, 3-2 in preseason action
A mix of Internet problems and not knowing the game was being streamed led to most of us staff here at BSH missing the game (or at least most of it). Fortunately, a lot of us did catch the game, however, via stream on the Flyers website, so there are people here who know what happened.
So, for the first time ever in BSH history, we're going to have a recap by committee. Leave your thoughts on the game in the comments and in the morning, we're going to update the body of this post with those thoughts.
For now, you can catch a very generic (and very short) recap of the proceedings via our SB Nation partners at Sports Network.
Newark, NJ (Sports Network) - Travis Zajac and Ilya Kovalchuk scored third- period goals to lift New Jersey over Philadelphia, 3-2, in preseason action from Prudential Center.
Adam Mair also tallied and David Clarkson picked up two assists for the Devils, who got 26 saves from Martin Brodeur for the win.
Jeff Carter and Nikolai Zherdev lit the lamp for the Flyers, who played their first non-shootout contest of their exhibition slate.
Brian Boucher allowed all three goals on 28 shots in defeat.
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I missed the game.
How did Boosh look? 3 goals on 28 shots doesn’t sound good. Were they a result of poor defense?
From everything I read, the GWG in the 3rd period was a softie from Boosh. In related news, Geoff has drowned his girlfriend in tears. ;-)
Other than that, I did not catch much of the game or know a lot about what happened. On the plus side, our white jerseys are still awesome!
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
I would argue the GWG was not at all a softie.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 29, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions
the first stage is denial.
I didnt see the goal myself, but most people that saw it have said it was extremely weak.
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Tim and Bundy’s call said that there was absolutely nothing Boosh could do, so I think that stops it from being a softie. They seemed impressed by the skill move by Kovy, so I’ll have to go by their opinion since our stream was such bad quality.
by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 29, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 29, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d have to say boosh looked better than Marty tonight, he pretty much held his own against some tough shots but in the end a couple slipped by.
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by st.pattysdaymassacre26 on Sep 28, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
My stream was slow, but here goes: We scored one early on a great tic tac toe involving JVR, Zherdev, and Carter. Not sure who got credit for the goal. They scored on a 2-2 turning into a 2-1 thanks to Gustaffson letting his man get behind. Then I missed our next goal, and while the stream was down, they scored two with under five minutes left for the loss. What I noticed:
-JVR is a man on a mission and looks a zillion times more conditioned than last year
-Zherdev is like a faster Giroux with less vision. He carried the puck in the zone like 3 times tonight, stopped at the blue line and hit a guy rushing in on the tape
-Giroux is the man, still. He had a great game
-Hartnell had 2 penalties
It was hard to see, but we controled the game early and gave it up.
by orangeandblack20 on Sep 28, 2010 11:13 PM EDT reply actions
I have to say I wish ILWT was run more like this site, the guy from ILWT is a nazi douche. Looking forward to the November games.
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by st.pattysdaymassacre26 on Sep 28, 2010 11:25 PM EDT reply actions
Haha you verbalized my exact thoughts since I first began following our division rivals sbn page last jannuaryish
by flyersfangiroux on Sep 28, 2010 11:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Perhaps, I like it!
I have no insight to the game as i saw there was a stream after the fact.
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Good bye #12, you will always bleed Orange and Black.
by Lindbergh 31 on Sep 29, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Missed most of it
And the stream was pretty bad for the bits I watched. But from what I observed the standouts were Zherdev, Giroux and JVR. I’m not sure I like the JVR-Carts-Z line but as players they shone. Also Walker and O’Donnell looked like they were doing a decent job (I missed all the Devils goals though, so I don’t know if they were in any way responsible for those).
Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Sep 28, 2010 11:53 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t think Walker played today. Coburn, Carle, O’Donnell, Marc-Andre Bourdon, Erik Gusstafson and Oscars Bartullis played. Also suited was:
Zherdev-Carter-JVR
Giroux-Richie-Guerin
Holmstrom (34), Testwuide (39), Kalinsky (37), Shelly (45), Lilaberte (10), and Hartnell shared the bottom two pairs, with Hartnell rotating in up top. Boosh played net and I dont know who backed up.
by orangeandblack20 on Sep 29, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmm really? No idea how I managed to see him doing a decent job then…thanks for that.
Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Sep 29, 2010 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions
In a Week the Games Count!!!!
From out here in New Mexico I could not get a good view of the ice.
Since they do not even have 3G here in Santa Fe yet, and NO internet provider has the infistructure to hook up internet at the house Im renting (yes I am living in the same city limits as the state capital) ….I missed the game.
I cant wait foe Center Ice!
Another BSH shirt is in jeopardy……. I hope for the best in Lappy’s recovery but Im worried he might be done.
The only thing that could be worse with our Goalie situation is if we traded for a Legitimate #1 goalie and he became injured.
Look forward to the next game thread.
Opps
Im so excited, Im thinking its Thursday
so in a week…..and two days………the games count!!!!!!!
by Prometheus74 on Sep 29, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey Travis, you used the phrase “recap by committee” last year… even though it meant the three writers, as opposed to all of us.
http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2010/3/11/1369119/flyers-embarrassed-by-bruins-lose
Because Ben, Travis, and I were at the game tonight, we’re doing a recap by committe
Regardless, I found it intriguing that Tim Saunders said at one point that Bartulis and O’Donnell were looking like a pretty solid third pair (although I hadn’t seen enough of the game at that point to evaluate that statement, but they really said that during the first). Boosh looked good overall, and that third goal really can’t be hung on him. The defense let him down there.
I remember hearing Tim and Bundy say that too and I had a hard time believing it. I have been largely disappointed by Oskars this preseason.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 29, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to bash Boosh but that is pretty much his MO. An inability to make a big save late in the game. Leighton is also streaky but he is either totally on his game or gets shelled and is pulled early. Boosh is more frustrating in the sense he looks good all game but he can’t cone up with the big timely save. He is a tease no matter how well he or the team is playing I never feel safe.
by chrislanci on Sep 29, 2010 9:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You mean a timely save like what he did against Toronto last year?
Or stopping Jokinen in the shootout?
I was surprised by those two and yes he can make those saves but his record spoke for itself. Even when replacing Leighton he played good enough to allow the Flyers to come back and then gave up a late goal to get the loss. There is no other way to explain all those losses after replacing Leighton I think Leighton deserved a lot of the those losses and Boucher with better timely goaltending could have earned some nice comeback wins or at least got that all important point by carrying it to OT.
I also point out the games against like the 4-3 OT loss to Minnesota and back to back losses against ATL.
but his record spoke for itself.
All you have are wins and losses. I’m assuming you think Felix Hernandez just isn’t as good of a pitcher as Trevor Cahill.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 29, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I am not looking at his record as a whole here Geoff and I know he started in net when the team couldn’t score.
I am talking about timely goaltending not overly SV PCT and numbers because timely saves matter.
When looking at Boosh’s record the fact that Boucher earned losses in so many games where Leighton had already blown it as was pulled speaks volumes about timely goaltending and an inability to finish games. Boucher played good enough to the team back in the game but couldn’t come up with the timely save at the end to allow the team to finish the comeback or force OT.
As ability goes I don’t think there is much of a difference between the two goalies. I just feel more comfortable with Leighton late in the third period in a one goal game. To me Leighton is a better clutch goalie than Boosh.
None of this is at all quantifiable.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 29, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Error does not compute Error does not compute. I didn’t know every statement made had to be supported by a quantifiable metric. We are not robots and sports are not a science. That is just my opinion based on my experience watching hockey I am sure I am not the only one that has that opinion.
Not to bash Boosh but that is pretty much his MO. An inability to make a big save late in the game. Leighton is also streaky but he is either totally on his game or gets shelled and is pulled early. Boosh is more frustrating in the sense he looks good all game but he can’t cone up with the big timely save. He is a tease no matter how well he or the team is playing I never feel safe.
Next time, add in, “in my opinion” instead of stating it as an established fact of his game. Obviously this is something that is almost impossible to prove, but you stated it like fact, so you should have expected a backlash ladened with stats, especially from Geoff. It’s more than fair to have an opinion, but it’s also fair to refute an opinion stated as fact with statistics…
Anyway, I stayed out of this conversation b/c I knew it was just an opinion of your, and that’s where it would end, and I didn’t want to go through all the work that Geoff did just to get to the point that this was indeed just an opinion of yours, and a feeling you have at the end of close games.
Is this the right room for an argument?
Yeah, I had to sit through two hours of people talking about their co-op experiences, so I had nothing better to do than to do some research.
Well, I had plenty of better things to do, but chose to do this instead.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 29, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Mostly everything written on the forum is an opinion I didn’t know I had to state otherwise. I don’t think I presented it as a fact I more than welcome Robo-Geoff to come up and refute me with statistics or his own opinion or whatever he wants besides calling me an idiot MarioD style. Turning said opinion into an hopefully interesting discussion.
Yeah, I knew and have no issue. There are a lot of Boucher haters – not that you necessarily are one – and that’s fine.
We don’t want to make this an unwelcoming, statistics only site. Especially since I have strong opinions as well (Randy Jones, Matt Calvert, Mike Testwuide, Brian Boucher, etc.)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 29, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Clearly that is perfectly fine…but given you wrote this:
Error does not compute Error does not compute. I didn’t know every statement made had to be supported by a quantifiable metric. We are not robots and sports are not a science. That is just my opinion based on my experience watching hockey I am sure I am not the only one that has that opinion.
I figured I’d explain why you were getting a lot of stats…it just came from the way you presented your argument. You tried to present unquantifiable opinions as if they were quantified.
When looking at Boosh’s record the fact that Boucher earned losses in so many games where Leighton had already blown it as was pulled speaks volumes about timely goaltending and an inability to finish games. Boucher played good enough to the team back in the game but couldn’t come up with the timely save at the end to allow the team to finish the comeback or force OT.
Just figured I’d explain why people were expecting something more quantifiable…not that you had to give them actual stats, just simply why they expected it.
Is this the right room for an argument?
But let’s go over the games where Boucher relieved the starter and got the loss:
SCF Game 1: Boucher stops 11 of 12 shots after Leighton gave up 5 goals on 20 shots. The game winning goal (found here) came off a turnover at the blue-line. Kopecky beat Gagne to the slot from the line, went in alone on Boucher from the faceoff dot, deked him into the butterfly, and snuck the puck past him from a bad angle. You’ll notice the Flyers had all 5 of their skaters in the defensive zone, only one of whom was in position (Coburn).
SCF Game 5: Leighton gives up 3 goals on 13 shots, a 3-0 deficit the Flyers would never rebound from. Despite the Flyers never coming within 2 goals of the Blackhawks, Boucher gets the loss. On goal one, Boucher gets hung out to dry by his defense again (this time Danny Briere), goal two is a one-timer by Byfuglien on the PP, standing all alone at the top of the crease, and goal three is a 3-on-2 break with Patrick Sharp shooting from the hash marks.
March 3: Leighton gives up 4 goals on 26 shots. Boucher would give up 2 goals in the first five minutes he’s in (the first time he played in exactly two months), the first of which was scored on the power play and the second of which came off a bad rebound he gave up.
Nov. 23: Emery gives up 4 goals on 17 shots, exiting with the Flyers down 4-2. Boucher gives up a weak goal 6 minutes later, but stopped 13 of 14 shots.
So we have 1) a complete team breakdown in the defensive zone; 2) A piss poor performance by the team in general, with all three goals resulting from either poor defensive coverage, missed assignments, or both; 3) Boucher playing for the first time in two months; and 4) one weak goal given up where he’s unable to keep the deficit at two.
Obviously, you won’t change your mind. But for everyone else, them’s the facts (and video).
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 29, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not saying any of the goals were his fault either Geoff but I just have more confidence in Leighton to make those saves late in games when coverage does break down.
But goalies are prone to softies but I feel Leighton is better when coverage breakdowns late games.
This year could be totally different and I am willing to give the guy his fair shot and I like the way he played in the Toronto game I watched.
Among goalies with 20 appearances, Boucher had the second fewest goals scored per 60 minutes of 5-on-5 play. Only Chris Osgood got less support at 5-on-5 than Boucher, who saw the Flyers score a whopping 1.71 goals per 60 minutes of 5-on-5 for him ALL of last year. Leighton? He got 2.56 per 60 of 5-on-5 play.
What about goals given up? Leighton gave up 2.71 per 60 while Boucher gave up 2.47.
But certainly, Boucher’s record speaks for itself. Not the fact that the team scored 0.85 fewer goals (or 66.8% as much support as Leighton did) at even-strength for Boucher.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 29, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions

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