Leino, Betts return to lineup as Flyers beat Isles 'B' squad, 3-1
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PHILADELPHIA -- The Flyers did their best to let the New York Islanders (or, perhaps, the Bridgeport Sound Tigers) crawl back into Wednesday night's preseason contest at the Wells Fargo Center with a series of third period penalties, but not even the best AHLers (plus Matt Moulson) Garth Snow has to offer could beat Sergei Bobrovsky on this night.
Oh, here we go again, you're probably saying. Leading with Bob? Well, in so many ways, he was the story again, especially as the Flyers clung to their three goal lead. Without some big third period saves, the Islanders would've tied this one. Plain and simple.
It probably should've been a blowout, though. The Flyers controlled play for most of the game, especially in the first period where they put home all of their three goals. While it's nice to think about how the Flyers controlled most of the game, they did it against a rag tag squad of misfits. So we'll just go to the bullets, then.
- It did seem a little odd that Peter Laviolette decided to play 15 veterans (16 if you're counting Andreas Nodl) against a team that well, you might not even be able to call a team. The Islanders brought half of an already weak, depleted team to Philadelphia for this game, so perhaps it was a bit unfair for the Flyers to play basically everybody.
Then again, the season is creeping ever closer, so perhaps it's best that Laviolette get all of his guys in there so they can get the feel for working with each other.
- Nodl was paired up on a line with Claude Giroux and Nikolai Zherdev. He looked good with them, but where he impressed most was on the penalty kill. The Flyers are giving him a chance and, if you ask me, he's taking advantage of it. He had a fantastic game and really showed his two way ability, although the Flyers want more out of him offensively.
- Braydon Coburn absolutely destroyed Jesse Joensuu in a third period fight. A year ago, he got crushed by an old man, Owen Nolan. This year, he's making AHL kids bleed. All part of an atypically physical preseason from Coburn so far.
After the jump, more bullets, some postgame video and the comment of the night.
- Blair Betts and Ville Leino played for the first time this preseason, thankfully. Leino even made a dazzling move on what may have been his first shift (early, either way), but he wound up falling before getting a shot off. Regardless, it looked good. His pass to Scott Hartnell later in the period looked even better, and it led to a goal.
- Every time we see Bobrovsky play he seems to get better and better. I still find it incredible that he's never been formally taught in the school of goaltending by a real goalie coach before Jeff Reese this year. Sure, there are things he has to work on and there are holes in his game, but he's so sound in the fundamentals.
- Perhaps a bad omen, though... he's a Euro goalie who plays for the Flyers who has a penchant for blocking pucks with his mask (a new one, by the way). At least two saves were made by his noggin tonight. Remember the last European goalie who made face saves... ?
- Dwayne Roloson was brilliant for the Isles. Absolutely fantastic game.
- Erik Gustafsson took an Isle down in the second period whilst in breakaway mode. It probably should've been a penalty shot, but it wasn't. Hard to blame Gustafson too much on the play because at least he tried, but it was a pretty bad take down. Overall, though, it's not enough to take away from a solid game and a solid preseason thus far. Paired with Kimmo Timonen, he led the defense in shifts tonight.
- At the end of the second period, only three Isles had avoided the 'minus' column. Two were former Flyers/Phantoms: Jon Sim and Krys Kolanos. Kolanos scored for the Isles in the third.
Ville Leino speaks with the media
Jeff Carter speaks with the media
Peter Laviolette's post-game presser
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Carter doesn’t seem to be terribly impressed by Bobrovsky. Either that, or he doesn’t know how different the KHL is from the NHL.
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I’ve never seen the dude change tone when he’s answering questions. He cracks smiles and laughs, but his demeanor and tone are usually pretty even keel.
by flyerboom_6 on Sep 29, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
He is Ice Man
And unfortunately I think Lappy is Goose
by Prometheus74 on Sep 30, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
phinally hit the nail on the head already, to me, he rarely seems to get excited when he’s answering questions post game; I think it’s just his way.
by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 29, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
If he didn’t show any emotion in interviews after losing in the Stanley Cup Finals, I hardly expect him to get all giddy about a goalie
Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Sep 29, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Great job Travis.
I greatly enjoy seeing/hearing the other reporters.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 29, 2010 10:29 PM EDT reply actions
Bobo is awesome and all but I still want him to start the season in Adirondack.
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Didn’t see the game. I assume Coburn hit him with his now-hefty wallet.
And I notice that the Flyers facility is now abbreviated WFC, there is a different definition for that acronym for Phils fans.
On a more serious note, apparently no LTIR for Betts? (a week seems to have changed some things!)
Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz. Halladay, Hamels, Oswalt.
I’m hoping the Lappy news hasn’t made Homer try to rush Betts back to shore up the fourth line. But the Flyers FO would never do that.
Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Sep 29, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Phils fan connection is why we’re so quick to use the acronym :)
I don’t know if the Flyers were ever really planning on LTIR for Betts, I’m not sure they expected to have his recovery take long enough to meet the LTIR time frame.
by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 29, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I was wondering the same thing… Although I’m glad he kept the beard. Gives him power.
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Hockey Fights Cancer stuff out a couple of days early? October is only 2 days away, and I just had an NHL catalog full of purple stuff show up in the mail today
by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 29, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Observation from 112:
Zherdev had his worst game as a Flyer although he received a great pass from G and fed one to Braydon. Too much fancy shit tonight for him and I could tell he was getting frustrated. I still like him.
Carter didn’t miss the net every time he shot, and had a few real good ones.
Bourdon has a very hard and crazy accurate shot. He also got in Jon Sim’s old face in the crease and pushed him good two times.
Once we got up we put on the breaks, everyone was playing just to be there I thought, could be good or bad.
Amazing sequence: Powe gets into scrap… then skates away… then Richie got on the guy who gave Powe shit… then they gang up… then Shelly comes out of no where to get a penalty… pretty neat to see Shelly go nuts for the captain. He got a standing O for that.
Braydon Coburn will have his best season as a pro. He destroyed that one guy. He flew all over the ice, and he didn’t make any bad turnovers.
Nodl was eeh today
Betts was physical as ever
JVR was the best player on the ice today. If… and only if he gets PP time, he’s scoring 30 goals. But chalk him up 20-25 regardless. He skates so smooth for a big guy and you can tell he’s packing a little bit of a punch with that weight now.
Cool siting: When Coby was rumbling, Carbomb was gonna go but I had a great view as the guy grips up Carcillo, gloves off, to see Danny shake his head and say no. He must have landed on his hand or something funny, if I recall correctly his elbow pad flew off during the tussle, so maybe he landed on that. It probably wasn’t anything serious but just a little thing I picked up.
Bob: He is doing it the un-pretty way. He loves to kick those rebounds that he can cover if he wants hard into the corners. He was out of position a lot today (just seemed uncomfortable) but what do I know. Final score was great with one goal on thirty five shots, but still can be better… if that makes any sense.
by orangeandblack20 on Sep 30, 2010 3:18 AM EDT reply actions
The Carcillo non fight: I know it’s in the rules 46.4 or something, that you have to clear the area of a fight. I think there may be a misconduct if another fight starts once one is in progress. In that scenario Carcillo was basically keeping Haley off of Coburn, I don’t think it was an injury thing, I think it was a I want more ice time thing, and I’m not going to get myself a misconduct. But I could be wrong, I forget the rule on that exactly.
Couldn’t disagree more about Nodl, he made some great passes coming out of the zone tonight to G and Z, generated scoring chances, did well in the corners once again, and did a good job on the PK. Not sure what else you are looking for, he obviously isn’t Giroux, but nor should he be expected to be.
Also, the Zherdev pass to Coburn: Roloson was completely square to Zherdev by the time the puck was controlled on his tape, and Zherdev did not have a good lane. The pass to COburn was fantastic, and Roloson had to come up huge. I was actually impressed that Zherdev didn’t shoot there, and made the smart play.
Bob…I got reassigned to 103, 1st row last night right at the faceoff dot in the zone the Isles defended twice. Something I haven’t notice about Bob before b/c I haven’t been close enough to see it…how well he uses his stick to protect his 5-hole. He really does a great job with how he uses his stick (also see the shoot out against Minny). Unfortunately, he was only down my end once last night to watch.
Is this the right room for an argument?
46.4 Clearing the Area of a Fight – When a fight occurs, all players not engaged shall go immediately to the area of their players’ bench and in the event the altercation takes place at a players’ bench, the players on the ice from that team shall go to their defending zone. Goalkeepers shall remain in their goal crease, except in the event the altercation takes place in the vicinity of the goal crease, and therefore shall obey the directions of the Referee. Failure to comply can result in penalties incurred for their involvement in and around the area and fines as outlined in 46.18.
I thought there was something in there about only 1 fight being allowed to happen at a time. Thus, if Carbomb would’ve dropped the gloves him and his opponent would’ve received game misconducts.
Yeah I thought there was something in there as well, but it wasn’t. I’m fairly certain that is the rule, but couldn’t find anything in writing to be able to quote it specifically.
Is this the right room for an argument?
I’m not so sure it’s illegal to have two fights going on at once. There have been several times in recent years the Flyers have been in that situation and I don’t remember any extra penalties,
And everyone got 10min or game misconducts in that game.
If they happen simultaneously, I don’t think the ref’s will call it, but if it happens after a fight has started, the refs have the ability to call misconduct penalties, and I have seen it happen in the past.
Is this the right room for an argument?
I don’t know if it’s an automatic misconduct though, and that’s the question I have.
Is this the right room for an argument?
I was just stating a famous game where there was more then 1 fight going on at the same time.
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Ok, the order made it seem like you were saying that was an example where it happened, and misconducts weren’t handed out.
Just trying to find an answer b/c from the situations where I can remember it happening, there have been misconducts. But I really can’t provide much back up to it other than I remember it happening.
Is this the right room for an argument?
Here’s the trick, it’s not under rule 46. It’s under Rule 23.3, Game Misconduct Fouls – General Category. The fouls that cause game misconducts under Rule 23.3 are listed in Table 10, at the end, and for this case, it’s called a Secondary Altercation.
by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 30, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
*which does need to start after the original fight, not concurrently.
For the record, when you try to read the rulebook, you’re best bet is almost always to start with the tables. If the CBA had nice tables like that about how the rules were interconnected, it would be so much easier.
by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 30, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks Jen, when I was asking for an answer, I was hoping you would eventually swing by to respond seeing as I figured you would know. I remembered the rule being there, I just had nothing to point to, thank you.
So Carcillo not fighting Haley, one would hope, was b/c he knows about the rule, and was trying to be smart.
Is this the right room for an argument?
To clarify the 46.18 reference in 46.4:
46.18 Fines and Suspensions – Clearing the Area of a Fight – Failure by players (or goalkeepers as required) to clear the area of a fight shall, in addition to the other penalties that may be assessed, result in a fine to the team of $1,000 and the Coach of said team in the amount of $1,000.
Is this the right room for an argument?
Last time we played Pitt in the playoffs Giroux and Powe got in fights right next to eachother. The first year we got Asham, him and Cote rumbled right next to eachother. The guy had Carbomb gripped up and I saw him shake his head and say “no I cant” and the kid kept going at him and egging him on, there is no way Danny would pass that up. He landed really hard, and from my angle, it really looked like he wanted to go but physically couldn’t.
by orangeandblack20 on Sep 30, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Simultaneous fighting is ok, as DG pointed out, but it’s in the rule book that you get a game misconduct if you participate in another altercation once one has already started. So one would hope Carcillo knew better. If not, and if he just physically couldn’t and that was the only reason he did not, then he still needs to know better in those situations. But my explanation stands as a possible reason why he did not fight there. Once an altercation has started (not simultaneous), and you engage in a second, it is a game misconduct.
Is this the right room for an argument?
They were tied up as early as Coby and the other guy, its just they Carcillo denied, and the guy kept pulling on him and thats probably what made it look like it was into the other fight.
by orangeandblack20 on Sep 30, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t th9ink this is fact, I was watching the same thing you were live. You can’t say it’s definitely one and not the other. I happen to believe it was more based on the rules, you happen to believe it was b/c he hurt himself. However, that didn’t stop him from dropping em with Avery last year after he destroyed his hand on Gaborik’s half shield, which is why I support my hypothesis. These are both opinions anyway, neither of us can prove anything without asking Carcillo about it.
Is this the right room for an argument?
pretty neat to see Shelly go nuts for the captain. He got a standing O for that.
/sigh\
Mike Richards, as Captain, stands up for Powe. Jody Shelley comes in after the issue is resolved and negates a Flyers power play. That is something worthy of a standing ovation?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 30, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In the pre-season I don’t think it is that big of a deal, during the regular season it would be stupid.
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by Ed Van Chimp on Sep 30, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Right.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 30, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Shelly was the only one to go to the box. We were winning 3-0 in a preseason game against half of a shitty team, maybe less, and some rookie punk tried to get near Richie. Absolutely worthy of a standing ovation. Regular season, late in game, he is old and mature enough, with enough hockey smarts when to do that and when not to do that. That was the time to do it, to send a message not to the Isles, but to Richie and the Flyers that shit like that will not be tolerated when he’s around.
by orangeandblack20 on Sep 30, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s still bad hockey, and he knew better. Haley was no threat to Richie.
Is this the right room for an argument?
If the Flyers played that team 82 times we would lose maybe five. That game meant nothing. The fact was, Powe and another guy were pushing in shoving that Richie obviously thought was too big to be messing with Powe, or for what ever reason he desided to step in. But then a few more than ideal Isles jumped in. That was ticked Shelly off. He had an opportunity, against a division opponent, to introduce himself to them.
Shelly’s only job is protecting. Teams without a big guy to stand up to him, cant do anything when he picks on little guys. That is why he can be effective. The Isles dont have a big name fighter, so if he can get in there before the season starts to start doing his job, why should he let a 2 minute minor in a meaningless game when your up three nil to do it?
by orangeandblack20 on Sep 30, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Because it’s not something you want to do. I’m not saying it was a big deal in this game, but given I didn’t watch Shelley 82 games last year, I can’t say if this is something he does regularly, so to see it done, especially involving Haley, is disappointing. If it was Yablonski (who can destroy people, might not be big, but is a far superior fighter…watch any of his fights in the AHL with Nasty Mirasty and you’ll see it) I could at least somewhat why Shelley would need to step in. But that penalty was dumb, and that’s my point. Your point is it was a meaningless game which is a whole nother topic I’m not addressing. It was stupid and something I hope Shelley doesn’t do regularly.
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Off Topic
Anyone else catch Scottie Upshall goal last night pretty cool goal saw it on TSN (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/) they lost in a SO but hey i miss that kid
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The goal scored on Bob last night was not his fault at all. The guy got under the defense, and had basically a 1 on 1 right in front of the net.
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Can we then say that Kovalchuk’s goal is not Boucher’s fault at all?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 30, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Novokuznetsk, USSR
I looked this place up on wikapedia… compared to it Marcus Hook looks like Bala Cynwyd… My guess is that Bobrovsky would do anything to keep from going back there… including being the best goaltender in flyers history (bernie parent excluded as he is a demi god and not subject to human comparison)… go flyers
by Elmo the faithful fan on Sep 30, 2010 12:17 PM EDT reply actions

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