Data Dump: Flyers Draft Picks 2004-2008

A long time ago - but sometime this season - I put together a spreadsheet of every player the Flyers drafted between 2004 and 2008. I took their career NHL numbers, unless they never played in the NHL. In which case, I compiled all their AHL numbers.

This arose out of some sort of AHL-depth player conversation. Not sure exactly.  And to be honest, I'm not even sure what the data says. So I'll (half-heartedly) try to analyze it, while leaving you to decide for yourselves what it means.

Like I said, the data is not 100% accurate, but it was as of roughly Halloween. Deal with it.

Player GP G A PTS +/- PIM
39 NHL Numbers 692 112 168 280 -17 633
35 Non Firsts 188 15 23 38 -29 69
AHL Numbers 2570 328 509 837 -286 3408

This is the total. In 5 drafts, the Flyers selected 39 players. Four of them were first round picks (Steve Downie, Claude Giroux, James van Riemsdyk, and Luca Sbisa).

As you can see, the Flyers are pretty good at drafting in the first round. They got 514 games played (out of a possible 1,148, assuming every player played 82 games a season immediately after they were drafted) out of their first round picks.

I really don't know if 188 games out of 35 non-first round picks is good or not. It certainly doesn't seem that way, but we don't really have anything to compare it to.

Here's the full spreadsheet:

Year Rd # Player GP G A PTS +/- PIM
2008 1 19 Luca Sbisa 71 0 8 8 -16 55
2008 3 67 Marc-Andre Bourdon 91 3 23 26 -16 95
2008 3 84 Jacob Deserres
2008 6 178 Zac Rinaldo 28 2 4 6 -5 122
2008 7 196 Joacim Eriksson
2007 1 2 James van Riemsdyk 109 22 28 50 8 42
2007 2 41 Kevin Marshall 107 3 9 12 -24 130
2007 3 66 Garrett Klotz 119 2 5 7 -21 163
2007 5 122 Mario Kempe 8 0 0 0 -4 4
2007 6 152 Jon Kalinski 22 1 4 5 -4 0
Jon Kalinski 160 25 39 64 -2 118
2007 6 161 Patrick Maroon 175 43 73 116 -17 245
2007 7 182 Brad Phillips
2006 1 22 Claude Giroux 161 41 64 105 6 53
2006 2 39 Andreas Nodl 74 9 9 18 -8 10
2006 2 42 Michael Ratchuk 141 10 24 34 -27 66
2006 2 55 Denis Bodrov 17 1 3 4 -11 6
2006 3 79 Jonathan Matsumoto 10 2 0 2 -2 4
Jonathan Matsumoto 287 92 107 199 -35 213
2006 4 101 Joonas Lehtivuori 93 7 25 32 -26 38
2006 4 109 Jakub Kovar
2006 5 145 Jon Rheault 115 18 18 36 -10 66
2006 6 175 Michael Dupont
2006 7 205 Andrei Popov
2005 1 29 Steve Downie 163 34 45 79 14 414
2005 3 91 Oskars Bartulis 58 1 8 9 -14 30
2005 4 119 Jeremy Duchesne 1 0 0 0 0 0
2005 5 152 Josh Beaulieu 136 6 6 12 -28 97
2005 6 174 John Flatters
2005 7 215 Matt Clackson 177 6 13 19 -16 527
2004 3 92 Rob Bellamy 114 4 8 12 -40 38
2004 4 101 R.J. Anderson 6 0 1 1 -2 4
2004 4 124 David Laliberte 11 2 1 3 1 6
David Laliberte 195 54 62 116 -32 125
2004 5 144 Chris Zarb 4 0 0 0 0 4
2004 5 149 Gino Pisellini 32 1 1 2 -2 53
2004 6 170 Ladislav Scurko
2004 6 171 Frederik Cabana 116 13 23 36 -10 160
2004 8 232 Martin Houle 1 0 0 0 0 0
2004 8 253 Travis Gawryletz 82 3 16 19 14 47
2004 9 286 Triston Grant 11 0 1 1 -2 19
Triston Grant 367 35 49 84 28 1087
2004 9 291 John Carter
Player GP G A PTS +/- PIM
39 NHL Numbers 692 112 168 280 -17 633
35 Non Firsts 188 15 23 38 -29 69
AHL Numbers 2570 328 509 837 -286 3408

A few things: Players in italics show only their AHL numbers. Because of this, it isn't a complete study, since I didn't look at Bartulis or Giroux's AHL stats. I tried to keep it to "Were these guys NHL players or AHL players?" But to give the team more credit (or less, depending if you do per game stats), I included players who at least made it to the NHL, even if briefly.

Goalies only count for games played. Since Houle and Duchesne are pretty bad, I don't care.

Anyway, we'll break it down a bit by position:

Player GP G A PTS +/- PIM
8 Forwards NHL 561 111 152 263 13 548
16 Forwards AHL 2283 338 476 814 -196 3527
2 Defense NHL 129 1 16 17 -30 85
8 Defense AHL 541 27 101 128 -92 390

In case you can't tell, the Flyers have some trouble in their farm team. Maybe it's because they didn't draft many good players. Again, they seem to be quite well drafting in the first round. Hell, they even got 100-point AHL players in Pat Maroon, Jon Matsumoto, and David Laliberte. Except they were all traded.

But if you look at this, you'll clearly see that the Flyers have gotten better at drafting. The 2004 draft was miserable. The '05 was pretty bad. 2007 brought us the Garrett Klotz argument. But 2008 saw the team grab two puck-moving defensemen and two goalies. Yes, there's Rinaldo too, but at least he's not Garrett Klotz.

Long story: The Flyers had a good 2006 draft, but other than that, they just haven't gotten production out of their non-first round draft picks at the professional level. Maybe it's because they don't have many picks, thus lowering their chances of success. Or maybe it's been the need to draft goalies and defensemen (which is a good thing afterall) that depletes the forward talent.

Either way, these 5 drafts should show why the Phantoms are as bad as they are. There just isn't a pipeline of talent going from the draft to the AHL. The talented players either skip the AHL or speed through while the rest of the players stay and rot. Even the talented players who stay get traded (Maroon, Laliberte, Matsumoto).

Hopefully the four forwards drafted in 2010 (Michael Chaput, Tye McGinn, Michael Parks, and Brendan Ranford) can provide something to the Phantoms.

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