BSH Radio 29: On Holmgren, Pronger, and life at the top

by Travis Hughes on Jan 20, 2011 12:01 PM EST in Philadelphia Flyers Features

This is weird.

The Flyers are in first place in the National Hockey League, and really, there's nothing to complain about. But we're Flyers fans. We need something to complain about, right?

On this week's BSH Radio, Ben, Geoff and I try our hardest to find something to ridicule, but in the end, we basically just wind up making fun of other teams' misfortunes. In between, though, we find our way to a few meaningful discussions on Paul Holmgren's contract extension and Chris Pronger's planned (now official) return.

When judging Homer's legacy (I was tempted to write Homer's Odyssey here, you can thank me later), how much blame does he deserve for last season? Was it his fault, and if the Flyers lost that shootout, would he have been fired? It's so weird because, really, the line between Holmgren potentially losing his job and him being GM Of The Year seems so thin, doesn't it?

We discuss all that in great depth (and more!) on this week's BSH Radio, which you can get after the jump.

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by Ben Rothenberg on Jan 20, 2011 12:31 PM EST reply actions

Nothing says “hockey” like Björk Guðmundsdóttir.

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by mikefive on Jan 20, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions

I hear she’s related to Gunnar Stahl.

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by Ben Rothenberg on Jan 20, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions

Just amazing. It’s like they are twins.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 20, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions

I enjoy how you are relying on Geoff’s opinion of the Caps game given this from Geoff:

I was hopped up on drugs, so I only saw the two big plays.

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by DLJr on Jan 20, 2011 12:45 PM EST reply actions

haha, that’s why you have to love this episode.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 20, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions

Some many things in this episode made me facepalm.

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by DLJr on Jan 20, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions

Really?? Ben was sleep-deprived and I was sick as hell.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 20, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions

The whole Homer discussion was a continuous facepalm. I’m not saying it wasn’t entertaining.

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by DLJr on Jan 20, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions

haha, I haven’t gotten there yet. Can you tell I was delirious though?

Seriously, everybody needs to listen now that you see this conversation.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 20, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions

It ended well, but the beginning was a lets no give him any of the blame for the same things we want to give him credit for…it just made me facepalm. As the show went on, and that particular conversation went on, it got more logical.

Other than your Panthers comment.

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by DLJr on Jan 20, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions

I don’t follow actually.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 20, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions

When talking about last year, and about the lack of success during the regular season, there were a lot of excuses, and then this year, with the success of the regular season, there was a lot of praise. You can’t just give him a pass for one because “how much of that is really under his control” then give him the praise for this year without then again saying “how much is really under his control”. I having no problem giving the man credit, but if you are going to say there were thing beyond his control last year, you have to take away some praise for this season because a lot of the success is beyond his control…get it?

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by DLJr on Jan 20, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions

Now I get it.

You don’t have to convince me of this.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 20, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions

That’s why I facepalmed…you didn’t point that out haha…very disappointing. But it ended up getting in to a good discussion in general. It’s always enjoyable, though I feel I may have been irritating Travis recently since he felt the need to clarify that Meszaros hasn’t played the same role as Pronger after saying he has done a good job filling in for him haha.

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by DLJr on Jan 20, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions