Thursday Morning Fly By: Dig Out or Curl Up
Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...
- The Phantoms beat the Senators last night, receiving three goals from their fourth line. Andrew Rowe and Luke Pither scored in the final 5 minutes to turn a 3-2 deficit into a 4-3 win. Recap: [PostStar.com] Notes & Quotes: [PostStar.com] Live Blog: [PostStar.com]
- Claude Giroux and Danny Briere are preparing for possibly facing off against each other. [NHL.com]
- Giroux just doesn't want to be picked last: [Daily News]
- Tim Panaccio reflects on the season so far and wonders what's ahead: [HockeyBuzz.com]
- More Power Rankings, but Tampa and Nashville finally move up in these: [SB Nation Philly]
- Andrei Popov logged a season high 21:46 while Joonas Lehtivuori received 18 minutes: [euroflyers]
- Frank Seravalli will be having a live chat at noon today, so give the man something to do during the Break: [Frequent Flyers]
- Lastly, a story titled "Homer's Odyssey" covers Holmgren's time in the organization, including a quote from the GM saying "We had a lot of really good pieces in place" when he took over. [Philadelphia Flyers]
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Truth. My old RWD ‘69 BMW is far better in snow than my FWD ’97 Jetta. Of course, the BMW is in show condition now, so it’ll never see the road in anything less than dry, sunny conditions. The Jetta managed to get me home last night, but it was a struggle.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Hah, funny this has come up again. My first car was RWD, my second AWD, and my current is FWD (GTI). The GTI being FWD didn’t bother me much until we got our first good snowfall, and I remembered why I hadn’t bought a FWD car beforehand.
Never again will I get anything other than RWD. Not despite Connecticut winters, but because of them. Just easier to drive, if you ask me (even if it can be harder to get going sometimes; my RWD car went through a few New England winters with summer tires, and somehow I managed).
It’s funny because so many people swear by FWD and claim that RWD is terrible in snow, where my experience (and yours) was the exact opposite. I know there are MANY more elements to the equation though. Honestly, my Jetta actually did quite respectably, all things considered, with the exception of climbing hills. It just couldn’t do it. But it is still infinitely better than the FWD Chevy Corsica I had in high school. That thing was completely impossible to drive in the snow.
One thing’s for sure, I definitely prefer manual to automatic. I tried to move my wife’s Corolla last night (to get it away from the damaged tree I posted pictures of below) and was at a loss when it got stuck because I couldn’t rock it with the clutch like I can do with a manual. It was extremely frustrating…
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
I implore you to give my IS300 a shot then. Trust me, Mario Andretti couldn’t make it 200 ft in snow in my car. I even have a button the says “SNOW”, but it doesn’t help
I'm kind of a dick.
It’s the electronics (traction control, stability control, etc.). I was heading home one night in my GTI (which is the first car I’ve had with traction control or stability control), and heading up a hill, the car detected slippage, and started killing power to the wheels, no matter what I did with the throttle. Turning off the traction control helped some, but the stability control can’t be turned off completely, nor can the piss-poor substitute for a limited slip differential (the stupid friggin’ “e-differential” that smokes your front brakes).
Lexus and Toyota in particular make it very difficult, if not impossible, to turn the electronic babysitters off. They’ll kill you in the snow everytime. I’ll never get a car where I can’t turn them completely off again either…
Yeah, it’s a trade off….I can’t go anywhere in the snow, but I have never once had a single problem with my Lexus. I drive a ton for work, have 140,000 miles on it, and honestly, have never once had an issue mechanically. I do the little things myself, change all the fluids regularly, but that’s it. So I’ll take it, I guess…..
I'm kind of a dick.
I’m sick of shoveling the driveway, I just did this yesterday.
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I didnt shovel yesterday because I knew this was coming. But alas I have no idea how the hell Im going to get to school because my street isn’t even plowed.
Samesis
I did that last year and regretted not taking the first layer off when I had the chance. However, I knew it was coming, I wanted to be lazy and not do it, but Jenn had company coming, so I had to clear the driveway for her.
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Yeah, I think if you didn’t shovel yesterday, you might be in trouble because the second wave yesterday was sleet. It’s ridiculous how much snow we have here in the ’burbs.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
Yeah I’m actually happy since the base layer probably would have been ice.
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My husband is screaming obscenities because our plow is basically worthless right now because the snow is so heavy and there’s no where to push the damn stuff.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
Well, it’s pretty worthless right now as I said—but out here in the sticks, with the big driveway we have, we needed it. It’s just a tractor with a plow attachment, nothing fancy. My Dad has an actual plow because he lives up in the mountains.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
Yeah I’m not looking forward to going out there.
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Same here. I have to shovel my sidewalks for my Mom. It’s going to be a bitch. Especially if the neighbor is out because he’s a busy body.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Puck Daddy has a article today about the odd of teams winning the cup this year. They have the Penguins winning.
Vegas also had the Cowboys and Jets to play in the superbowl. Vegas odds are a popularity thing, not a real estimate of how good teams are.
Samesis
They do crunch the numbers a bit better than that. Before the season, they have close to zero sample size, so it’s mostly driven by the public.
Might be the case in this one, too. Although, having the Pens to win it all is not a bad wager, by any stretch.
Vegas odds are designed to get money on either side, so the lines are indicative of what the public thinks, not what the “sharps” think. That’s how they make money. The Pens and Caps get all the press on ESPN, so they get people betting on them. I’d bet that the Rangers, Blackhawks, Kings, and Stars have odds that aren’t indicative of their record as well due to the ESPN family of city hyping.
Defending Carter until 2021...
If things don’t pick up I’m going to end up reading Eck’s site out of boredom.
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I haven’t read any of the links, but if you have can you tell me if Geoff’s headline makes any sense?
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
Philly is snowed in….
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by Ed Van Chimp on Jan 27, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I’ve already facepalmed….can we please move on?
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
If you lived here, it would make sense.
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Wow…it’s early and I was trying to start a discussion for/with you about how terrible Geoff’s headlines usually are, didn’t even think of the snow.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
I appreciate you wanting to bash Geoff, but I’m actually steaming over this guy that jerked me around over a game used jersey I was tracking down.
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What jersey?
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
St. Cloud State game worn Nodl jersey.
There is a guy that has a ton of college game worn jerseys, particularly from the WCHA, and he had a picture of it on his site. I found out he traded it to some, that guy then sold it on ebay. I found the listing and the buyer, and asked him if he had interest in selling it. He said maybe, he got it for his son, but he could always give his son a regular Flyers jersey instead, so make an offer. Obviously you can see the winning bid on ebay, so I checked it, and what MeiGrey sells Nodl’s Flyers jersey for, and offered him 35% more than what he paid (which is the MeiGrey price for a game worn Nodl Flyers jersey). He said he wasn’t sure what he paid for it, but he remembered paying more than what I offered, so he had to think about it. I showed him the link to the ebay listing, and said I didn’t want to be unfair with the offer, but I wanted to make sure I was offering more than what he had paid. I asked him if the listing was incorrect and if he had a number in mind that he wanted for it (I didn’t want to play the whole game he was trying to get in to). He then decided that he didn’t want to part with it and said he still didn’t remember what he paid for it (this was an ebay listing from December 10th)
So basically, as soon as he realized that I knew exactly what he paid for it, he backed out. The jersey collecting world is pretty fair for the most part, people usually don’t try going to take advantage of each other, most transactions are actually just trading jerseys, but this guys definitely seemed like he was just trying to see if he could get a lot more money for the jersey than he had paid. I wasn’t happy. If you want some ridiculous amount for the jersey, just tell me so I don’t have to go through the hassle of the back and forth.
I have jerseys I wouldn’t part with for anything, and I tell people that, I don’t jerk them around.
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I do, it isn’t game worn.
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You just want any KHL jersey, not game worn?
Most of the stuff I deal with is game worn jerseys, they aren’t expensive either.
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well i want to wear it too. I don’t want to wear something that some guy sweat, bleed, and spit on haha.
Samesis
You know, you can wash them. I washed the Estonia one twice, that thing had some kind of funk on it.
So, no I don’t know any sites for new ones, but I think they are easy to find via a google search.
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And also, just because i love international hockey, there is a KHL app for the iPad, its all Russian now but they said the next update in February will make it English and French.
Samesis
It’s been far too long since I got a new jersey (I’m not counting the $30 one I bought at Marshalls because that was a cheap thing with no name or number on it.)
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
That’s lame. What a jerk.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it just became obvious that he wanted a lot for it, which is fine, but don’t pretend like you still don’t know what you paid for it when I have the link right there for you. The back and forth just sucked because in the first couple emails he seemed completely up for selling it, so I thought I had finally found one.
I’ve been on the hunt for one for a while, I guess I missed my window with the ebay listing. I’m also searching for a Nodl game used Austria jersey (if one even exists).
Oh, I did find a Kapanen game used Kalpa jersey…I don’t think it is selling for too much. If you are interested I can send you the link.
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Thanks but no thanks. I think I either want a Finland Olympic jersey from like Nagano or maybe a Leino Jokerit jersey. Kalpa jerseys are so ugly, I don’t really like them at all.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Just figured you loved Sami, so when I came across it, I thought of you.
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I do love Sami, he’s up on there on my all-time list. Unfortunately for him his team’s ugly ass jerseys preclude me from buying one. Unless I go there, then all bets are off.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
haha fair enough
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Yeah the one I want is like this one or the darks of this one. Also, I know everyone thinks I’m crazy but I really want this too.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
"I appreciate you wanting to bash Geoff"
A little early in the day for that, no? He’s not even on to defend himself yet. Although I guess the headline would dovetail the snow with Geoff curled up in a fetal position over Matt Calvert being sent down. But like he says, that’s only temporary.
haha, I’m up but I’m being productive at home.
Shaun just needs to bash me to feel better about himself. Besides, what the hell could a headline be when there’s nothing interesting in the links?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
You usually pull some random shit. I had been awake for like 3 minutes and for some reason when I read dig out I went to bug out and thought military or moving somewhere. So serves me right for trying to give Don something to talk about like he asked.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
If you knew Geoff, you’d realize it’s never too early. Also, we didn’t bash him.
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Still, if you knew Geoff personally, you’d say we were late. Trust me.
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Ha ha, I will have to meet you guys sometime. Maybe someday I can get to a game in person. The last Flyers game I attended was when they wore Cooperalls.
Come to our games, they’re cheaper and more fun. You play ice? roller?
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Why, Don? Why?
I’m not the one who made you shovel your driveway twice in less than 24 hours, nor am I the one who effectively forced you from your own home last night.
Don’t take your anger out on me.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t bash him, I was confused and not awake.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Guardian watch...
The Ranger rides a bike made of space trash. If he loses the bike he’s kind of ok.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
Also he apparently has no powers just access to weapons?
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
If Batman sucked. They don’t even really show any weapons.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it’s really weird how they don’t mention a single power, weapon, or anything except that he never sleeps. (Is that his super power? He’s the night watchman who wakes up the real heroes when something bad is happening?)
Everyone else has two or three powers (cryokinesis! a state flag made of astral plasma to cocoon his victims!) and the Ranger has none. I wonder what that’s supposed to tell us.
P.S. Why does his wheel-less flying contraption have a spare tire?
I guess because he’s from the “city that never sleeps”?
Lame.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
It’s the propulsion system from what i can tell. Like a hovercraft has the big inflatable ring around it, I think it’s a thruster to lift the bike of the ground?
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I know it’s a thruster, but why is it a freaking tire? I guess the hovercraft analogy makes sense, especially in the context of it being a bike he built out of space junk.
Yeah, I don’t get why it’s a tire either. Unless he’s got a advertising deal with Michelin or something. I wouldn’t put it by the Rag.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Ugh, I rode on the hovercraft from Dover to Calais. I don’t normally get sea sick but that ride was so choppy that even I felt a tinge of nausea.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
Just noticed his license plate : IAMRNGR
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
You’re right too. This implies he’s not the only one.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
You’re right, should have zoomed.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of Guardians
Can anyone find the 6 logo on the Red Wing? He’s the only original six guy I don’t see it on.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
With Ian Laperriere likely sidelined for the season with injuries, the Flyers are making use of the popular player as a scout. Laperriere has expressed interest in staying in hockey, either as a scout or coach.
"He’s watching the young kids we’ve draft, and he’s watching the Phantoms," Holmgren said. "He worked out with some of the Phantoms (prior to this season). He’s gung ho about helping out. Keeping a colorful character like `Lappy’ involved in the game is a good thing."
That is awesome.
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Sorry if this is old news but Tim Panaccio said that the Flyers might want to get Eric Cole, should we even get him & if we do what would we give up for him?
no
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by Ed Van Chimp on Jan 27, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
When was the last time two Flyers goalies were in these positions?
Bobrovsky: 11th in GAA and 14th in SV%
Boucher: 10th in GAA and 20th in SV%
Also, I know this will take a TON of work but I’m really interested to know. When was the last time (if ever) a team was leading the NHL at the All-Star break and didn’t have a shutout on the season? Or at least how long is the longest into the season a team has been tops in the NHL without a shutout?
"Chris Pronger sneaked in the back door...banged it home."
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Cechmanek and Esche finished the 2002-03 season 3rd and 25th in SV% and 2nd and 9th in GAA. 58 and 30 GPs, respectively.
It’s actually not hard to research. If you’re saying GAA matters at all, just look for seasons where we finished the season with relatively few GAs.
For the second part I actually meant for any team in the entire NHL through about 41GP to be leading the NHL in points with no SOs. Or to win the President’s Trophy without a SO.
"Chris Pronger sneaked in the back door...banged it home."
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I’m not in the mood to fully research this, but post-lockout the Capitals had three shutouts, and in ‘06-07 the Sabres had two. Both of them happened to get one early on, but it makes me think it’s probably happened.
The ‘86-87 Oilers didn’t NEED no stinkin’ shutouts.
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
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Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
Well, that didn’t matter, did it? They won anyway.
Flyers had the lead in game 7 but it didn’t last.
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
To be fair, the ’87 Oilers were the team that made me love hockey. I was only 5 so give me a break here, but watching Gretzky, Messier, Coffey, et al against the Flyers in the finals is my first hockey memory…
Though my dad says when I was really little Lindhberg was my favorite and I always wanted to wear my halloween goalie mask during games.
Defending Carter until 2021...
Speaking of shutouts, Washington got blanked again last night. Ouch.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Seventh time this season, apparently. I can only recall the Flyers being shutout once this year, against the Bruins. Not sure if that’s right though.
Mourning Gagne forever.
A quick scan of the schedule up on my corkboard says 3. Montreal, Boston and Florida.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Semin-stain got a one year deal for only $700,000 more then his current contract. He will get $6.7M next season, that a lot of cash for a guy who is basically a slight better Joffrey Lupul.
Samesis
But he has the potential to be better than Ovechkin. He’s just incredibly lazy.
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"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Again, Joffrey Lupul had the potential to be the best scorer on the Flyers, but hes just incredibly lazy. Semin is a go player, but hes not an almost $7M player by any means. Scoring wise, hes just as good as Carter and Richards, and those two can play D 40 times over Semin. being an elite player for 41 games a year doesnt deserve that kind of money.
Samesis
If they had any cap room, they have 3 young goalies that would fetch them top notch value too.
Samesis
I had wanted the Flyers to trade for Neuvirth last year.
I loved acquiring him in NHL10
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
haha same, but Im perfectly fine with Bobs now. I also bet that if Vancouver doesnt go deep in the playoffs, that they’ll trade Luongo.
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I agree about Bob. About Luongo, I don’t believe that at all.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Luongo: 38 starts, 23-8-7, 2.27 gaa, 0.924 sv%, 0.932 ESS%
Schneider: 12 starts, 8-2-2, 2.35 gaa, 0.923 sv%, 0.921 ESS%
No, Schneider is not out performing Luongo. Even still, Schneider’s save percentage is inflated due to a highly unsustainable 0.934 save percentage while a man down. No way he keeps that up.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Good luck finding a suitor for that contact. Especially with the market for goalies being the way it is.
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by Ed Van Chimp on Jan 27, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
I’d say he can be traded – who wouldn’t want Luongo? And $5.33 isn’t that expensive. It’s the length (Age 41 when the deal is up) that will scare people away.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
That was my point. Waiting for the cap to inflate in 3-4 years makes it more attractive to others in need. By then 5.33M is doable. And for a shorter period of time.
Ah. Didn’t know you were talking about the length.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Know who else was talking about “the length”?
John Bolaris.
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
hahaha I saw that.
Preston and Steve made a gif about it. Brilliant.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with this, assuming the “40 times over Semin” is hyperbole. I’m not sure what the multiplier is, but surely it isn’t that much.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
I agree.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
The Penguins fan who faceplants on a van at the winter classic was just on AOTS. (Yesterday’s episode re-airing today)
“To be fair, getting your face slammed on a molester van is pretty much what it feels like to live in Pittsburgh.”
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 12:04 PM EST reply actions
AOTS?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
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Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
In Seravalli’s chat, he was asked the likelihood that players return.
In order, on scale of 1-10, with 10 being absolute: Zherdev (7), Leino (10), O’Donnell (6), Powe (8.5), Carcillo (7), Nodl (10), Boucher (9).
How the hell is Boucher a 9 out of 10??
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 12:28 PM EST reply actions
So I asked and:
The Flyers are in an interesting situation for next year. Boucher is a UFA. Leighton will have one season left on his deal, and Backlund is on a one-way NHL contract for one year next year. I couldn’t pretend to have the slightest idea as to what they’re going to do. But if Boucher keeps playing like he has, I don’t see how they don’t bring him back, he’d like to stay here I’d imagine.
Needless to say, we disagree.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking that since they say he has been good at mentoring BOB they would like to keep him around so he can continue that next season.
That’s the only explanation (his play this year, while excellent, is likely a result of luck and the system) I can think of, but if they choose that, they can’t possibly keep Leighton and Backlund.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Because hes the best backup option on the team and will be less then a $1M and he like Philly. Im surprised Z is a 7.
Samesis
Then what do you do with the other two goalies on one-way deals?
No way Ed Snider pays a combined $2.4 million for AHL goaltending.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
No real need, unless he’s willing to take a lot less to be a UFA. In the AHL he doesn’t cost anything, and considering no one wanted him through waivers, why would he take less?
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In the AHL, he doesn’t cost the Flyers but he costs Ed Snider $1.6 million to not help the team.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Please, the Flyers print money. It’s not like he wons the Penguins where your window to make money is the prime of a superstar. When we were the worst team in the NHL we were 7th in attendance.
Also, he owns Comcast, which owns Versus…I really don’t think Snider cares about $1.6M if it means fielding a team with a chance to win. I’m excited for the NHL’s new TV deal. Maybe NHL 2Nite will be back…even more Pens/Caps coverage!
Defending Carter until 2021...
34% interest in Comcast Spectacor, after selling his company (Spectacor, of which he held a 66% stake) to Comcast.
To a certain extent, he’ll take loses to field a team. If Bob ends up being a starter next year, why pay Boucher on top of the 1.6 you’re paying an NHL backup to play in the NHL?
Thank you.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Right, because businesses have no problem throwing away money ever.
And he’d be spending $1.6 million on a guy who wouldn’t help them win. Why would Ed Snider pay Michael Leighton that much money to play for a team that Snider doesn’t own?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Buyouts suck. The Islanders are still paying Yashin against the cap for a buyout.
And why would you buy someone out with only a year left in their deal so you can sign a 34 year old career backup?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t understand why you of all people don’t seem to want Boosh back. Yes, a career backup (he would be cheap, so not a cap killer); Leighton can still be traded (best possible outcome for the Flyers) or if retained, may play somewhere other than ADK. I mean it’s awfully nice of you to be so concerned about Ed Snider’s profit margin, but Leighton is no Wade Redden. Besides, I see the Bob/Boosh arrangement as one that works well. Why change that if you don’t have to? Or is 34 and over what you object to?
Crap. Doesn’t*
The point is that we’ve locked ourselves into a situation where keeping Boosh probably isn’t feasible.
I guess there is 2 parts to that: in what manner are we "locked"into something; and, what makes Boosh unfeasible?
They have three goaltenders signed to NHL contracts for next year, before Boosh is taken into account. That’s pretty much it.
I see no NTC/NMC in any of their contracts. I don’t understand the “locked” part. With the rising salary cap, Boosh for 1yr/1M is feasible. Now if the Flyers win the cup on the back of Boosh’s spectacular goaltending this year (and let’s all assume this is a desirable event), then he will command a greater salary and thus I can see how he would not be finacially feasible.
I want him back. But no one wanted to pick Leighton up off of waivers, so I doubt he’s tradeable. And I’m not sure you want to move Backlund at under value, or if that’s feasible, either. You’re likely to have at least 2 NHL goalies under roster before signing Boosh. That’s my only point.
Additionally, I think Boosh will want, and will deserve, more than a .25 mil raise. I’m sure if Holmgren wants to do it, he’ll make it work somehow. He’ll just being working his way out of a corner, as always.
I, too, wish to see him return. I think Leighton may be tradeable under the right circumstances. I certainly do not wish to see Leighton backing up Bob next year. And I’m still unsure of Backlund’s value to the Flyers. Backlund may be of value to others, so I can see how neither of Leighton or Backlund may be back for training camp next year. We’re going to need room for Riopel, Kovar, Morrison, Erickson, hell, maybe even Emery next year or “soon” anyway. So I see Boosh as feasible, especially considering what Homer and the Flyers have done for him to help his career.
I hope Leighton is tradeable, but the market has proven that his was a poor contract.
I’m also unsure of Backlund’s value to the Flyers, but so long as Leighton and Boucher are both here, his value is very, very low. This year, his value is probably pretty high ($105,000 AHL salary will do that) but it isn’t next year.
As far as next year goes, Morrison will/should probably be released, Eriksson will/should probably stay in Europe (he expressed a desire to do as much earlier in the season), and there’s no way Emery comes back to the Flyers. Further, Brian Stewart has played as well as, if not better than, Nic Riopel. Neither of them have contracts next season, but only Stewart had an NHL deal this year. In other words, Riopel could easily be let go this summer as well.
So next year’s goaltending depth chart looks like:
- Bobrovsky
- Leighton/Backlund
- Backlund/Leighton
- Kovar*
- Stewart*/Riopel*
Where does Brian Boucher fit in there? Nowhere. Unless Leighton or Backlund are traded.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
IIRC, Eriksson has a two-year deal in Elitserien, so he should be staying there next year to finish out his contract.
Bob.
I figured.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I’m going to referee here:
mtitanic sez: it doesn’t hurt the hockey club at all to keep Leighton and Backlund in the minors and sign Boosh. It improves the goaltending and might even save cap space (if Leighton would have been the NHL backup otherwise). The only downside is on the Flyers’ profit margin, which mtitanic isn’t very worried about.
Geoff and Snevik think the Flyers probably are worried about their profit margin, and that the Flyers probably won’t spend an extra $1M+ for a modest improvement in the backup goalie. (Yes, modest — Boosh’s career ESSv% is 91.0, Leighton’s is 90.8, local fluctuations notwithstanding.)
I think more of this depends on how Bobs finishes the season than you guys are letting on. The 1.6M on Leighton+Backlund is a sunk cost, and the real question will be the marginal cost of Boosh’s contract versus the marginal benefit of having Boosh as a backup. If at the end of the year, they believe Bobs will be a 60+ game starter, then the marginal benefit of a modest improvement at backup goalie isn’t worth much. But if Bobs underwhelms in the second half, then it’s a different story.
I read the conversation below, and Huck did a great job explaining everyone’s position, but here’s my take:
The Flyers will have Bobrovsky in the NHL next year barring a complete and utter meltdown.
They have Leighton and Backlund signed to one-way deals, meaning they will get paid $1.6 million and $800,000 regardless of where they play.
Jakub Kovar is most likely in his final year as Flyers property, so he could come over and play in the AHL. Nic Riopel is in the same boat. Not sure about Adam Morrison – who is playing very poorly – and Joacim Eriksson will most likely stay in the SEL.
So do the Flyers want to have both their AHL goalies be on NHL deals (Backlund and Leighton) and lose two goaltending prospects (Kovar and Riopel) just to have Boucher as the NHL backup?
I highly, highly doubt it. Which is why I only see Boucher coming back if Leighton or Backlund are moved. One of those three guys are not coming back next year, one of them will be the NHL backup, and the third will be the AHL starter.
Sure, it’d be better to trade Leighton, re-sign Boucher as the backup, and keep Backlund as the starter. But it’d also be better to let Boucher walk, trade Leighton, and have Backlund as the NHL backup – if he’s healthy/regained last year’s form.
But Ed Snider will not want a $2.4 million sunk cost in the AHL. And Paul Holmgren should not make re-signing Boucher worth losing both Jakub Kovar and Nic Riopel. So I reiterate: Until Leighton or Backlund are traded, I do not want Brian Boucher re-signed. It doesn’t make sense for the Flyers or for Ed Snider.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
completely agree even though i would like to see him back here only if to help BOB, i dont want to have leighton and backlund both just sitting around in the AHL doing nadda. And i dont think its easy to trade away either one of them.
“Hey, anyone want our third goalie, who is paid more than market value for a #2? How about our fourth goalie, who’s in the last year of his contract and once played an NHL game?”
Hm… Maybe Brian Burke? Yeah, they have James Reimer (RFA) and Jonas Gustavsson (under contract), but Burke claimed Leighton in Anaheim (I believe).
Maybe Glen Sather – Marty Biron is UFA.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with this.
I would have advocated for Backlund as NHL backup if he didn’t struggle, then get injured (again), and struggle some more. My faith in him has wavered.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for weighing in; was beginning to wonder where you went. I think the Flyers’ first priority should be divesting Leighton. After which Boosh is resigned. As for Backlund, I foresee a high probability he will be moved as well before/by training camp next year.
No problem. I went to play in the snow.
I’d love to have Boucher back, but so long as Leighton is here, it doesn’t make sense. And I don’t see anyone taking Leighton.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
No one takes Leighton and a draft pick for “future considerations”? I mean c’mon, Homer and his cronies can’t find a way to get rid of a guy if they really want to? BTW, I’m not saying that Homer is smarter than you-I would never say that.
haha, so this is what you’re doing:
Trading Leighton, a draft pick, and letting up to two of Morrison, Stewart, and Riopel walk in exchange for Brian Boucher.
(For a depth chart of – Bobrovsky, Boucher, Backlund, Kovar, and Riopel)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn’t thinking about a depth chart, but, yeah, I like it the way you wrote it.
I don’t relish giving up a draft pick; depending on the $ amount rise in the cap a buyout may be more attractive. Depends on the pick too.
And, seriously, you don’t think Emery is back on a PTO for training camp?
haha, I can’t help but laugh that people are floating buyouts and draft picks for futures just to get rid of Leighton.
As a hater of that contract and the goalie in general, these are terrible ideas. Buying out Leighton would mean the Flyers get charged $1,066,666.72 against the cap in 11-12 AND 12-13.
That’s insane. A buyout is only a good idea if you can’t afford to ice an NHL team (and can therefore afford the cap hit) like the Islanders & Yashin.
But all this just to keep a 34 year old career backup? I love Boucher, but unless you get an asset (hell, a 4th round pick would suffice) in return for Leighton, Boucher is not a Flyer next year.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
This is why I’m not a fan of a buyout. And I’d be up for a 5th rounder 3 years from now for Leighton.
haha, agreed.
I just find it humorous that people were okay with (and defending) the signing of Leighton, and now people are trying to dump him for nothing.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, fans overreacting to a couple of bad games and swinging from positive to wildly negative on a guy? Unheard of.
Because of the fluid nature of events. Before the season we didn’t know what we had in Bob. Now we do. Nobody knew Leighton had a bad back (except Leighton). Now we do. Nobody knew how Backlund would recover. We still don’t, but he’s working on it. Etc, etc. I defending signing Leighton, at least until the back injury/ coverup occurred. Now we have no need of him. I’m fine with him continuing his career elsewhere ASAP.
why does a 6 mean please no? do you not want O’donnel to come back if he is willing to? hes a pretty good defensemen for the third line and he wouldnt be asking for to much money. unless i just read what you mean wrong. Frank said earlier that if they win the cup hes probably gone but if they dont he might want to be back.
I don’t think it should be his choice. I think we have better options with that money than a 40-year-old defenseman.
im just saying depending on what he asks for and if he does come back i wouldnt mind seeing him back next year seeing how he has played fairly well this season. and hes also a good leader in the locker room with the rest of them.
Pronger
When Pronger’s contract reaches its final two years, he is only being paid $525k per year, but maintains his cap hit of $6.5M. Does this mean if we trade him to a team struggling (Atlanta, Florida, Pheonix, etc) to run its operations at the salary floor and still be viable, we could get major assets in return? They get $13M toward the cap, but save 12M in actual payroll. Assuming Pronger is actually showing his age at that point in time…
Could we actually get draft picks?!?!?
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They’re not getting Pronger, they’re getting to run their team for $6M under the cap. I’m assuming pronger is retired.
Defending Carter until 2021...
Well, you can’t trade a retired player. You can trade a player who then retires. And still, no one is giving you “major assets.” A third or fourth rounder, maybe.
I disagree on a third or fourth rounder, if a team is doing poorly and can’t afford to pay a first rounder but wants salary cap space they could be interested. These people don’t own teams because they don’t know how to save money. It saves about $15M when you consider the entire contract for a first vs salary cap. And for the Flyers, a third round pick is a first pick.
Defending Carter until 2021...
A team that is doing poorly wants the first and second rounder they earned by being awful.
It’s possible; it won’t happen. Shaving a few dollars isn’t worth leveraging major components for your future.
You’re thinking in terms of a fan, not as a cheapskate owner who is losing millions. I’m hoping to leverage a cheapskate.
Defending Carter until 2021...
I’m really, really not, I promise. Owners still have to sell season tickets, i.e. present a viable NHL team. Three teams are currently operating below the cap floor, and relying on cap hit to float them: the Islanders, the Thrashers, and the Avalanche. Two of those three are whispered to move. All three are in the bottom six of the attendance numbers; two are in the bottom three. None of them are making money.
It’s not ultimately worthwhile to trade anything of value for the luxury to operate below the cap. Hell, the Islanders backed into that kind of situation because of Yashin, and they are still spending 4 million more than they need to.
Agreed — the low-spending teams will have interest in cutting payroll when possible, but a move like this is too much of a public announcement that they’re not even trying to be competitive.
Also: draft picks are cheap, so they’d be a difficult piece to pry away in a cut-your-costs sales pitch.
Also: you’re proposing a deal where the Flyers cut $6M from their cap hit, lose nothing in on-ice skill, and you want a first-round-pick as well? Your opposing manager would have to be a pretty terrible negotiator to throw in anything of positive value in taking this deal.
A more reasonable scenario would be Pronger plus a draft pick for a guy who’s paid $5M and plays like a $3M guy. You’re reducing your cap hit by a million, getting a $3M player for nothing talent-wise, and it’s only costing you a draft pick. The flip side reduces their payroll by $4.5M, gets a draft pick, and can sell the deal as making sense because of the pick and the unloaded toxic asset.
Pronger’s cap hit is $4.9 million, not $6, BTW
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Bah, I was just relying on Pardini’s original post. Well, same idea still works, just have to fix some numbers…but it’ll never happen anyway, obviously.
Exactly.
I saw that in the original post and waited to see if anybody caught it. They didn’t, so I commented here.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Matt Walker (PHI) and Ales Kotalik (CGY) on waivers.
Cue endless speculation…
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I’m strangely apathetic to it.
I want to know why the hell they waited, why they used LTIR earlier in the year when they didn’t have to, and why they acquired him, but whatever.
I’m not in the mood to scream and yell any more. Holmgren seems to be learning and improving, plus everyone is bowing down to him now, so there’s no reason to be that lone crazy person bitching about the GM of the first-place team in the NHL.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Well that was disappointing.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
I guess he got it out of himself earlier, when it was suggested we waive Walker after the LTIR stint. Oh well.
Also, after this set-back I don’t think Matt Calvert will ever return to an NHL line-up.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Nice.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Want to bet that he’s back within 7 days?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, because I actually believe this and know a lot about whoever this guy is and wasn’t joking at all to try to get you angry. Sure. How about a shiny new nickel?
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
hahahaha +1
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
And look who ended up getting angry.
:)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Sarcastic is not angry.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Rambling sarcasm? Yeah, that’s at least frustration.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Right. I forgot you know better than i about everything, even what I’m feeling. Sorry to ever have questioned you.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Damn skippy.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Last year? I’d have agreed.
This year? Nah.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
He may be learning, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t make the mistake. You’ll never be alone as long as I’m on this site (I know adorable right).
Geoff has Boosh, Mike's got Powe, Nodl is all mine!
Is this the right room for an argument?
He may be learning, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t make the mistake.
I agree 100%.
You’ll never be alone as long as I’m on this site (I know adorable right).
Um… Yeah. Awkward.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I try to be nice and so signs of loyalty when it comes to critiquing the Flyers GM, but no, you go and make something out of it…thanks a lot Detwheeler.
Geoff has Boosh, Mike's got Powe, Nodl is all mine!
Is this the right room for an argument?
Oh, I’m sorry, Don. I didn’t mean to rebuke your advances.
It was very adorable and I appreciate it. Thanks for standing with me forever.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, at least I didn’t invite myself to change in the back seat of your car.
Geoff has Boosh, Mike's got Powe, Nodl is all mine!
Is this the right room for an argument?
No, this is much deeper than that.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Is it a fair estimate that Leighton and Walker’s AHL salary could be more than the rest of the Phantoms team combined? Is it possible to find AHL salaries?
Mourning Gagne forever.
CapGeek doesn’t keep a running total for the Phantoms, as far as I can tell, but you can look through players’ AHL salaries by going to their individual pages (listed at the bottom of here). Probably very likely that Leighton alone almost makes more than the rest of the team combined.
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I know most people will see this as a good thing as it sheds a lot of cap room, but as far as 7th defenseman goes, I think Walker is a better player than Bartulis (sorry Ben), and this is telling me that Homer is going to want to make a trade that has a very good chance of being very, very dumb.
Is Paul Holmgren really bad at managing the salary cap? Does Matt Stairs enjoy getting his ass hammered by guys?
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I agree with this entirely.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
ESPN Rumor
The Montreal Canadiens are looking for some scoring, and they might look to Philadelphia Flyers forward Nikolay Zherdev for the help, the Ottawa Sun’s Bruce Garrioch reports: “[Habs GM Pierre] Gauthier seems to think he%u2019s smarter than everybody else and likes reclamation projects.”
Zherdev has struggled after coming back from Russia this season. He’s on a one-year contract, and the Flyers likely won’t re-sign him, so they’d love to parlay him into an asset. The Habs could probably get him at a bargain price, because he’s struggled mightily this season. But because he’s a low-risk rental player, there may be other clubs interested in the winger.
- Alvin Chang
A bit harsh on Zherdev, no?
(sorry, don’t know how to pinkisize things)
by mantis toboggan on Jan 27, 2011 1:33 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, we about this a bit ago. Although we didn’t have Alvin Chang’s terrible scouting to hold hands with Garrioch’s terrible reporting.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 27, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
right now i dont see the flyers trading Z especially how he has played lately. And i also dont see them sending him to the canadiens.
Neither do I. Nothing in that report seems to be based in reality
by mantis toboggan on Jan 27, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
The really strange thing about this version of the story…
Zherdev has struggled after coming back from Russia this season. He’s on a one-year contract, and the Flyers likely won’t re-sign him, so they’d love to parlay him into an asset. The Habs could probably get him at a bargain price, because he’s struggled mightily this season.
If Zherdev has struggled so mightily this season, why are the Canadiens suddenly interested in acquiring him on the cheap, when they could have had him for free any number of times before this season (i.e. when he was a free agent last year that nobody wanted, when he went back to the KHL for a year, or at the opening of free agency this year when he didn’t command much interest and had to sign a one-year deal)?
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How much snow did you guys get up in Philly? The official report for Baltimore is 7.8", which sounds about right for me. I live a mere 6 miles from my work, but it’s a very hilly 6 miles, and I was stupid and stayed at work until nearly 5:00 (about 30 minutes too long, as it turns out), so it took me an hour and a half to get home. Digging out this morning was relatively easy though (compared to “Snowmageddon” last year), my HOA did a good job with my parking lot. The county did a less-good job with the neighborhood streets, but I made it to work without any trouble. Now I’m just sitting here in an almost empty office, procrastinating. :-p
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
We got about a foot here in the ’burbs when it was all said and done.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
15inches in my driveway…not fun to shovel, it was heavy as anything.
Geoff has Boosh, Mike's got Powe, Nodl is all mine!
Is this the right room for an argument?
Damn. Yeah, it’s pretty heavy stuff. About half of the pear tree in my front yard fell (luckily, away from house and cars), and the other half is drooping so far I have to duck to walk down my front steps. A 30’+ locust tree in the back yard is bending all the way to the ground. Hopefully it doesn’t snap or my fence and shed are hosed.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
I’m 30 miles outside of Philly on the NJ side and we only got about 6 inches. Didn’t even have to dig my car out, actually.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 27, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Ladies and gentlemen...
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Just read this on Deadspin
The Confessions Of A Former Adolescent Puck Tease
It was enjoyable, but long.
Mourning Gagne forever.
It was good except for the part where Devils fans are “uniformly polite and informed”. That’s a laugh.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
This was yesterday, but is it bad that I laughed?
Stefan Legein: i want a wife so we can go on wife swap…
Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2011 6:16 PM EST reply actions
Bobrovsky: “My girlfriend was refused a visa to the US again. They think she will stay here illegally. They tell her a single girl has no business being in the States. So during the ASG break I will fly to Toronto to spend 5 days with her. She has a Canadian visa. When the #Flyers played in Vancouver we spent Christmas together.”
Is Paul Holmgren really bad at managing the salary cap? Does Matt Stairs enjoy getting his ass hammered by guys?
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