Monday Morning Fly By: Too Much Talk About Reagan Lately

by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 3, 2011 6:01 AM EST in Morning Fly By

Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...

Recaps of yesterday's win: [BSH] [CSNPhilly] [Inquirer] [The700Level.com] [Philly Sports Daily] [Flyers Faithful] [Forsythe and the Flyers] [delcotimes.com] [NHL.com]
Apparently, Nik Zherdev missed the game with a "lower-body injury": [Philly Sports Daily]
The Phantoms beat Springfield in a shootout on Friday, 3-2. Recap: [PostStar.com] Live Blog: [PostStar.com]
They followed that up with a 2-1 win over Albany on Saturday. Notes & Quotes: [PostStar.com] Live Blog: [PostStar.com]
Scary story out of that game was Marc-Andre Bourdon getting knocked unconscious in a fight. Here's video: [Forsythe and the Flyers]
Lots of stories on the three goalies over the weekend, but here are just a couple. Asking if Sergei Bobrovsky is the odd man out [CSNPhilly] and saying that the situation is a problem: [Inquirer]
Jakub Kovar stopped all 24 shots he faced on Friday for his second shutout of the season: [euroflyers]
He followed it up by stopping 33 of 34 in a 2-1 win yesterday: [euroflyers]
Joacim Eriksson stopped 36 of 38, then 4 of 6 in the shootout during a 3-2 loss: [euroflyers]
Shocking News! The Winter Classic resulted in some pretty good ratings. [Puck Daddy]
Travis Hughes asks, Why didn't we think to put the game in primetime before though? [SBNation.com]
Tim Panaccio has a source that says the Flyers returning to the WC next year is a long shot: [CSNPhilly]
Stefan Legein had a rant about the World Juniors, but it's rather comforting knowing his past: [PostStar.com]
The Phantoms are also living through something which may be called momentum. Specifically, Greg Moore, Brian Stewart, and the team defense seem to be on a roll: [PostStar.com]
Aggregated Power Rankings for week 12: [From The Rink]
The top 10 Flyers moments in 2010: [Philly Sports Daily]
Wondering if Marc-Andre Fleury truly is inconsistent, but the interesting point here is that since 06-07, 22.4% of games have resulted in a starting goalie giving up 4 or more goals. [Hockey Prospectus]
In case you missed it, the Lightning acquired Dwayne Roloson for Ty Wishart: [SBNation.com]
Looking back at Connecticut's miserable, disappointing, sad fail at bringing back the "Whale" [icethetics]
Lastly, a humorous mock-argument over the credit a mayor deserves for cutting a ribbon, in place of how much credit a goalie deserves for being replacement level: [Brodeur is a Fraud]

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Unless you’re talking about politics, your headline has me so charmingly befuddled.

"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.

by mikefive on Jan 3, 2011 9:56 AM EST reply actions

I think he’s referring to the fact that the last time we won in Detroit before yesterday, Reagan was in office.

by Derek F on Jan 3, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions

Reagan

And the Vancouver streak.

Defending Carter until 2021...

by Pardini36 on Jan 3, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions

Right. Both Vancouver and Detroit.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 3, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions

This is why I went with the void between BttFII and BttFFIII. Because I care.

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by Ben Rothenberg on Jan 3, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions

And again, I appreciated it

by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 3, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions

BSH Radio

Does it still exist?

Defending Carter until 2021...

by Pardini36 on Jan 3, 2011 10:11 AM EST reply actions

I wonder the same

by BobbyDucati on Jan 3, 2011 11:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

#4

I guess ever since the jersey guessing game ended at #4 they don’t want to do it anymore!

jk guys…please bring back BSH Radio. There aren’t nearly enough Hockey Podcasts that are any good out there…

Defending Carter until 2021...

by Pardini36 on Jan 3, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions

Yeah we need a new episode so we can talk about trading one of our goalies to the Avs for someone

"Success is not the result of spontaneous combustion. You must first set yourself on fire." --Fred Shero--

by Zachswider on Jan 3, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions

You mean a draft pick? Do the Avs need a goalie?

My sense is that the Flyers are going to wait until a) Leighton gets more games in and b) someone needs a goalie. Someone will likely have a goalie injury and need assistance. Hopefully that team has the necessary cap space to take on Leighton’s contract. Either that, or they have cap space due to LTIR.

Now, before all of the Leighton defenders jump on me, here’s why he’s the odd man out:

1. Boucher is playing phenomenally, and has been a good mentor for Bob.
2. Bob isn’t going anywhere.

And the Flyers will likely wait until someone has injury trouble before moving Leighton because the other team will need goaltending help and hopefully won’t be as choosy. If Holmgren calls people now, they’re going to ask for Bob or Boosh, not Leighton. And those two are staying put. They’d better be, anyway.

"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.

by mikefive on Jan 3, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions

Yeah, Leighton is odd man out. Which is the proper conclusion, but still its weird because the guy was like 3.1 periods away from a Stanley Cup.

These are odd times.

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by Ben Rothenberg on Jan 3, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions

Of course, Niemi won the Stanley Cup and was still odd man out in Chicago. Odd times indeed.

by The Gang Wins the Cup on Jan 3, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions

And Halak played very well in the playoffs. He got moved too. We’re just following the trend.

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by Mike B on D on Jan 3, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions

It’s definitely not dead. Hell, we could do one tonight (paging co-hosts…).

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by Ben Rothenberg on Jan 3, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

This week. Happening.

Unless Geoff is a party pooper.

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by Travis Hughes on Jan 3, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions

I’m in

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 3, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions

I"m recommending this. I’ll need something to listen to in the gym. I’ll co-host. haha

Defending Carter until 2021...

by Pardini36 on Jan 3, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions

I don’t know how much I agree with articles saying that Bob should be playing a lot. He’s 10 starts short of the max number of games he’s ever played in a season. Do we really want to give him 30-40 AHL starts? I’d rather him work with Jeff Reese than be even MORE alienated by being in a tiny english market traveling to other tiny english markets. Hopefully not starting the majority of the rest of the NHL games won’t shake his confidence but hopefully the tight knit locker room rubs off on it and he knows its a team effort, and that he has a long career ahead of him where we’ll NEED him to be the unquestioned #1, bumpy games or not.

by Derek F on Jan 3, 2011 10:13 AM EST reply actions

I agree I would take fewer games against NHL competition versus lots of games versus AHL competition where BOB could dominate. Look at the best AHL goalies even after a few seasons in the AHL they still struggle at times in the NHL like Bernier. Neveruith, and Corey Schineder (pardon the spelling on all 3).

There is also the possibility that BOB could struggle in the AHL especially with the Phantoms being pretty weak team and that could be devastating to a young goalies confidence.

I think some of these beliefs come from other sports in particularly baseball where you want to get your young players at bats and pitchers starts. But what about Football nobody says you need to get your young QB starts as the backup.

I think practicing with the NHL team and coaching staff getting used to the travel and packed schedule as well as learning your opponents via video study is just as valuable or more valuable than playing games in the AHL.

by chrislanci on Jan 3, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions

UPDATE: The Flyers today placed goaltender Michael Leighton on waivers, according to Flyers General Manager Paul Holmgren.

So there’s that.

by ohnickels on Jan 3, 2011 12:14 PM EST reply actions

this is a surprise

What I am very worried about now is (1) no one claiming him (2) Him messing with Backlund and Riopel at Adirondack (“Charybdis”) (3) Boosh or Bob pulling a muscle or something (4) Homer trying to get him back through waivers and then someone else claiming him, while continuing to pay $750K for him.

Wait, that last one would never happen?

Set your JVR in 2011.
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by Bud in TN on Jan 3, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions

Leighton on Waivers

It’s official!

by Ant on Jan 3, 2011 12:14 PM EST reply actions

It’s a delayed christmas miracle!

by Derek F on Jan 3, 2011 12:16 PM EST reply actions

Doesn’t go through until Tuesday, 12 PM. Time to see what happens

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 3, 2011 12:18 PM EST reply actions

Lavi quote telling in hindsight

On the Flyers website:

"It seemed like he was in control from start to finish," said Laviolette. "There was no panic in him or from the team. He played a great game from start to finish."

I think this has always been the Flyers fear about Boosh, even back in 2002. He wasn’t clutch enough or something, not a playoff goalie, too nervous, too inconsistent. After The Shootout and the Devils series, and now being a relative calming influence on Bob, maybe the Flyers are now seeing things the way Geoff and I – er, well, maybe not Geoff :-)) – always have. A terrific team player, a great backup and using a baseball stat, his WAR/Salary is very, very high.

Homer/Lavi saw enough after last night. Thanks a lot, but see ya Mike. Enjoy the Cup Final bonus we gave you in that 2-year contract.

Set your JVR in 2011.
Merry Cliffmas and Happy Halladays....Phils toys that will be used all year.

by Bud in TN on Jan 3, 2011 12:39 PM EST reply actions

Ugh

My new most disliked word—trickle. Was watching NHLN and the highlight reel has an announcer saying, “the goal just trickled in”. Blech!

I don't know what the fans do to create that much more volume and excitement in the stadium, but it's definitely something extra [in Philadelphia]. They're passionate fans. They understand what's going on. They don't need a teleprompter to tell them to get up and cheer. -Cliff Lee

by doubleh on Jan 3, 2011 3:30 PM EST reply actions

How legit is Bleacherreport.com? My buddy just sent me a link with all this talk about a deal involving Iginla coming here now that Sutter is gone in Calgary. This is the first I’ve heard of it. Is this even remotely possible, given our situation money-wise?

by Vansteel on Jan 3, 2011 3:36 PM EST reply actions

I don’t think so he fights so he has been rumored to be coming to Philadelphia more times the Kaberle.

Igilna makes more money than any single player on our Roster with a 7 million dollar cap hit. We would have to move two players to get him. That is not good.

The only forward I would be willing to move at this point would be Hartnell. He is not going to live up to his hefty contract being a 45 point scorer and all the damn minors and falls can be frustrating. I imagine Hartnell has a NTC or something so that is unlikely. Hartnell and Zherdev for Iginla would work out money wise. Force them to take Walker as well not sure if can be traded without clearing re-entry waivers 1st. If we did trade a 2 for 1 I would like to keep Zherdev now that he would actually have a spot to move up and play but I am not sure which two forwards will be moved to get him that spot.

Carter is younger and two points behind Iginla so far this season I don’t think he would moved for him.

by chrislanci on Jan 3, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions

If we trade Hartnel, who’s going to be the lock for the Timberland “Stay on your feet” play of the night?

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by Mike B on D on Jan 3, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions

Now that I looked it up and read the article Hartnell was the name rumored to go along with Walker and prospects (which I wasn’t sure we even had). Me and Holmgren think too much a like so times it is scary especially considering that I have gotten straight A’s in Math since the 1st grade.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/555850-jarome-iginla-10-trade-destinations-now-that-darryl-sutter-is-gone/page/8

by chrislanci on Jan 3, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions

Sometimes I think you are Paul Holmgren Chris.

Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 3, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions

Well Hartnell has a NTC, so I’d say they’re just making stuff up at this point.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Jan 4, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions

The Flyers laugh at No Trade Clauses. Remember, they could also just let him go to ~~Edmonton~~ New Jersey instead.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 5, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions

Take bleacher with a grain of salt. Most stuff is so ridiculously insane there’s no way a rational mind would come up with it. Iginla for walker and Hartnell? Hmmm… Hartnell would have to waive his NMC to do it. And how much does Iginla have in the tank anyway? That’s not even considering what this would do to the team chemistry.

"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27

by Mike B on D on Jan 3, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions