Monday Morning Fly By: Nobody Hurts Matt Calvert and Gets Away With It
by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 6:01 AM EDT
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Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...
- Peter Laviolette has a lot of trust in Sean Couturier and Matt Read: [Inquirer]
- Wayne Simmonds is finding a role on the team already: [CSNPhilly]
- The Phantoms beat Connecticut 6-3 behind goals from Eric Wellwood, Kevin Marshall, Oskars Bartulis, Luke Pither, Denis Hamel, and Mike Testwuide. Brayden Schenn had two assists: [PostStar.com] [Postgame]
- Tim McManus links us to the Phantoms opening night video: [PSPhantoms]
- Danny Syvret ripped a slapper from the top of the circle, which was surely going top shelf, but it hit a stick in front and resulted in an assist instead of a goal: [pjstar.com]
- Niko Hovinen stopped 21 of 22 shots in a 4-1 win: [euroflyers]
- Ranking the Flyers top-20 prospects using NHL Equivalencies: [Flyers Faithful]
- The Flyers and Maple Leafs: Not so different after all? [Down Goes Spezza]
- Friday night, Jeff Carter was on the ice for 10 Blue Jackets scoring chances. And 0 scoring chances against. [The Cannon]
- GASP! Matt Calvert took a stick to the face! This is a travesty and cannot be acceptable: [Puck Daddy] Oh, Bouchard was suspended two games because of it? Not enough, but better than nothing: [Puck Daddy]
- Dion Phaneuf absolutely crushed Stephane Da Costa with an open ice hit: [SBNation.com] [Puck Daddy]
- Mike Cammalleri was sliced by a skate. Always scary: [Puck Daddy]
- The Coyotes have a pretty wicked ad campaign playing off the fact that they might not stay in Phoenix for long: [Puck Daddy]
- Last year's playoffs was the first time since the lockout where three of the final four teams had goaltenders in the top-ten in regular season save percentage: [The Copper & Blue]
- So Steve Mason is pretty terrible. Here's another look at how terrible: [Hockey Prospectus]
- Predicting the standings for all 30 NHL teams: [The Copper & Blue]
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Who would've thought
That on the morning of October 10, the Flyers would be the sole remaining hope for Philly sports fans.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 10, 2011 6:26 AM EDT reply actions
I still think the Phils can win the world series. Ohh wait you mean thats over too?
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While I frown greatly on the use of the p-word at any point before it actually happens, that’s an interesting point. Although there have been other cities in the past where teams that have their stadiums farther away from downtown that PPL park is from Philly have still had their celebration downtown in the main city, so it’s tough to rule that out.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 10, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
The City isn’t going to pay for a Union Parade especially when they don’t generate any revenue from the team. At least it better not as a tax payer I would be pissed.
I don’t think the city would pay for any parade at this point.
Flyers, Phillies, Union, Eagles, Phantoms, Wings.
This I agree with, but I don’t think any other city in the area would be able to, either. Nobody’s going to worry about it too much until they actually need to.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 10, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
The Phillies Parade is profitable for the city and generates tons of money from parking to sales tax and public transportation. The cost comes from paying for all the Cops and such. But still Modell’s sales tax alone from all the crap people by is could probably buy new computers for every public school in the city.
The Phillies parade itself doesn’t make any money. It’s more of a reward for the millions in tax revenue from all the extra games and jersey sales and and everything.
SEPTA is probably thanking their lucky stars there’s no parade for the Phillies, they ended up giving hundreds of thousands of free rides the last time because there was no way to collect fares.
Flyers, Phillies, Union, Eagles, Phantoms, Wings.
Yea but it was an inexcludable good, so it didn’t cost SEPTA a cent. They just had lost revenues. Opportunity cost was there, but running the trains with or without people has the same fixed cost.
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Also, since the Phillies won in 2008, the bandwagon fans have come out of the woodwork. I live in South Philly, and work in Center City & Old City. I take the BSL to & from work every day, and it has gotten a lot more cramped on game days than it was before they won the WS. SEPTA is definitely making more in the long run.
I am merely saying that it can’t be ruled out based on past precedent. No one knows what would actually happen.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 10, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
No one should go do anything, it’s friggin soccer. It’s an activity not a sport.
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I always find it absurd that hockey and soccer fans would spar. They face the same challenges in getting attention from the sports media, have do deal with the same “niche sport” nonsense, and have the same problem in trying to televise a game that plays for longer than 30 seconds at a time.
The Flyers are always going to be my favorite team, but the Union are really worth watching.
Flyers, Phillies, Union, Eagles, Phantoms, Wings.
I have an ethical problem with the game of soccer. Guys collapsing and faking death is completely incomprehensible and should not be entertained. Also soccer has about 1 millionth of the excitement of hockey. Soccer can’t match the speed, physicality and skill it takes to play the game.
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Never watched Barnaby, or Tucker play hockey, did you?
Some of that flopping is because a guy with cleats just stomped on your calf. Hard not to drop like a stone when that happens. Not to say some of it isn’t just pure acting (NE Reveloution, I’m talking to you!) If you’d actually watch a game, you’d see the skill involved. No it’s not as physical of a game, but neither is baseball or basketball. And it’s infinitely more interesting to watch than either. Plus, it’s a summer sport.
"I repeat we have normality." She turned her microphone off — then turned it back on, with a slight smile and continued: "Anything you still can’t cope with is therefore your own problem."
by Mike B on D on Oct 10, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate scoreless ties.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
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One of the best Flyers games I ever went to was a scoreless tie against Calgary. Kiprussoff and Niitymaki both stood on their heads for 65 minutes, facing a ton of rubber. That was the point where I decided that shootouts were an abomination, because that game should have ended 0-0.
Flyers, Phillies, Union, Eagles, Phantoms, Wings.
That’s fine. As long as you’re not making the argument that soccer is not a sport, I’m not going to be a missionary.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
It’s a sport but so is cricket and field hockey, doesn’t mean I would pay to see or give up a few hours of my life to watch.
When I see friends from college posting about some European soccer player I assume they just gave up on rooting for American sports and were sent to the minors of sports fandom.
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All the sounds reasonable to me.
Sports and I are an unhealthy marriage. I’ve watched cricket. I’ve watched women’s lacrosse. I’ve watched polo. That said, grew up in a hockey and soccer household, so the fact that I care about Newcastle and the Union more than the Eagles isn’t surprising.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
I’m with you there. I can pretty much enjoy watching any team sport. Except basketball, that’s just painful.
Flyers, Phillies, Union, Eagles, Phantoms, Wings.
I greatly enjoy NCAA basketball, but can’t stand the NBA.
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Hilarious. I get this a lot when discussing basketball, especially around the NCAA men’s basketball tournament. I says something like “I hate basketball”, and the other person responds, “yeah, I prefer the college game”. Is it so unfathomable to a basketball fan that some people hate their monotonous gym class game, and can’t understand how it ever became so popular? I feel like we may as well have professional dodgeball.
Flyers, Phillies, Union, Eagles, Phantoms, Wings.
Reid’s impersonation of Rich Kotite doesn’t hurt pushing people away either.
I chuckle at people who watch hockey and claim soccer is a “minor” sport. Surprisingly it’s been gaining momentum in the national ratings. And world wide it’s just insane.
"I repeat we have normality." She turned her microphone off — then turned it back on, with a slight smile and continued: "Anything you still can’t cope with is therefore your own problem."
American just isn’t a soccer country, despite the fact that more Americans watched the World Cup final including Netherlands than the nation of Netherlands has in total population.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
ESPN replaced hockey with lumberjack competitions and Strongman games and not many noticed. I get that it’s just not popular here, and I have no problem with that. I still enjoy it and that’s all that matters to me.
"I repeat we have normality." She turned her microphone off — then turned it back on, with a slight smile and continued: "Anything you still can’t cope with is therefore your own problem."
I miss ties. Screw the shootout and the charity point.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I don’t understand the logic in playing a game for 65 minutes and if a winner isn’t decided, playing a different game to decide one. Why not just flip a coin? They can show it on the big screen going end over end in slow motion to create drama.
I also can’t understand what is so terrible about ties. The only thing any one ever says is that “it’s like kissing your sister” which is completely idiotic. To them I say:
1.) Try having an original thought, you dullard.
2.) If ties are so terrible, let them keep playing like they do in the playoffs.
3.) Shaddap you face.
Barnaby & Tucker were always consider side show jackasses that every one would talk shit about. They weren’t the norm. Diving & flopping is soccer is the norm.
Even without the side show nonsense, I just can’t, for the life of me, understand why people like the game so much all over the world. We have it on at my bar all the time & it’s like watching paint dry. To each his own, but it ain’t my cup of tea.
It’s inexpensive to play so the game isn’t closed off to the poor. The rules are simple, mostly. The only real physical requirement is fitness. The game developed and was standardized in England during the second half of the 19th century when its global empire was vast and still growing, so most of the world became exposed to it (this is also why cricket is the second-most popular team sport in the world).
Sports are kind of like religions. If you were born in a soccer-playing country, as most people are, you’d probably have played a lot as a kid. And we tend to become fans as adults of the sports we play as children. You would find the game beautiful and poetic and the outcomes either just or cruel. You would find the hand/arm restrictions to be evidence of the superiority of the game’s skill and art, as opposed to an absurd waste of hand-eye coordination.
There are webcams that are devoted to watching paint dry. Rules are also simple. Then you can graduate to watching grass grow, which requires a little more skill.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 11, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Carcillo.
Red, I do believe you’re talking out of your ass.
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I hoped you weren’t going the full Klosterman on soccer (thus, Shawshank quotes instead of arguing). But someone making your claims earnestly in entirely within the realm of possibility.
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In all seriousness I am just not a fan of the sport of soccer and my brother-in-law is a soccer freak. The kind of soccer freak that attends at least one Man-U game a year…in Manchester. I usually do this schtick with him and it is fun. Now I know how I feel when people kill hockey to me as a second rate cult sport. Which sometimes I also believe.
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And soccer is also closest to hockey in the flow of the game. Bigger playing surface and fewer shots on net but still. When I started watching international soccer it felt very familiar.
The diving and other prima donna behavior is definitely a turnoff, as is the frequent fatalism toward the end of games, but anyone who thinks it’s less athletic is nuts. As someone who has played hockey all my adult life I found soccer to require a higher degree of overall fitness. As far as the skill of skating vs. the skill of not being able to use your hands, I can’t judge because skating has always come easy to me. But why quibble. They’re both impressive.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 10, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Basically you use soccer to get into hockey shape.
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That makes sense in that if you are fit enough to play a full game of soccer you can certainly play a regular shift in hockey. But then there’s the board work and other kinds of strength conditioning that I didn’t feel I got playing soccer. And there are certain kinds of conditioning and muscle work that you can only get in the sport you’re playing, whatever it is.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 10, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean in general aerobic shape. I am probably way older then you so the training was basically riding bikes, a little running, hitting the weights and of course standing on my roof with a steel bar and a 10 pound weight on the end doing wrist curls until I sobbed. The last thing was only because that is what Clarke said he did as a kid.
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agreed. all that sounds very familiar.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 10, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Soccer does not have the bursts of exercise that hockey does. There really is no sport like hockey in that way. Football is the closest but their burst is way shorter than a normal hockey shift.
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I’d say lacrosse is closer than soccer to hockey.
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yes, actually, i would agree with that.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 10, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Now that is a sport I wished I was exposed to as a kid. I messed around with the club squad at Slippery Rock when I played hockey up there and it was awesome. Of course after I learned that slashing a guy in the forearms was legal. The first time it happened I dropped the gloves and was ready to throw down. Everyone thought I was nuts.
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Sounds like m 1st rugby game in college.
Guy runs toward me with ball in hand. I launch my 250 lb toward him, lift my feet from the ground and forearm shiver him to the noggin.
I had no clue why the other team started surrounding me and threatening to kick my ass.
Oops, sorry. Different rules, mea culpa.
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Yea Rugby wsa not in the cards for me. Being 5-5 and 150 pounds soaking wet in HS
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I started playing lacrosse when I was in third grade when I got bored of sitting in the outfield at T-ball and it was such a great life choice haha. It’s pretty brutal but so much fun. Teaches you to be pretty tough, quickly because you take a lot of hard shots. It also is a really hard game to just pick up so it takes a lot of extra practice time just to hone the basics.
Plus, you just get to wail on people. I played defense so my lax stick was 6 feet long and aluminum. As long as you somewhat look like you are trying to hit the other players hand/stick when he has the ball, it’s not a penalty. But, as a defensemen, you learn quickly where it hurts the most on a person’s body and you go after that spot non stop. Rib shots were my favorite. Follow through your pokecheck into the ribs and that attacker knows it’s going to be a long game.
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by Mitchell Green on Oct 10, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow I thought my brother was the only person who attended Slippery Rock U.
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I love soccer, but I got tired of watching the diving. :-/
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I am a HUGE soccer fan. Behind hockey, it is the sport that I follow the closest.
What I tell people who hate on soccer for the diving:
Yes, it is an unfortunate part of the game. I hate it just as much as the next guy. And that goes for when my favorite players do it too. But, every sport has parts of it that are negative and shouldn’t be apart of the game. There are plenty in hockey as well. But, I am not going to let one small negative aspect of the game ruin the rest of it for me. Granted, some people just don’t find soccer appealing and that’s fine. It’s not for everyone. But to let the diving and rolling around be the reason for not liking the game, when it’s a pretty small part of the game, is simply close-minded. It’s a shame to let something so small and insignificant, take away from the overwhelming positives and excitements the game has to boast.
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by Mitchell Green on Oct 10, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear you. I played soccer for almost 10 years and really enjoy the sport. I loved playing. But when I watch it on TV, I just get so frustrated with the diving. Agreed it is a relatively small part of the game, but sometimes I feel like it seems to be getting worse. I still watch the World Cup, because it’s the World Cup, but not much beyond that. I guess I was just disappointed to see such silly behavior at the highest levels of the sport, when it wasn’t present at all at the levels at which I played. There still is a lot about soccer to like, otherwise I wouldn’t watch it at all. Maybe I’m just too devoted to hockey to give it much time. :-p
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Go try and run for an hour and a half, control a ball with your feet head, chest and legs. Then tell me it’s not a sport. :)
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Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Oct 10, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Sweeper, but I ran the field quite a bit.
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Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Oct 10, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I was a left-footed fullback and throw-in specialist most of the time, with occasional stints at goalie if my team didn’t have a real goalie. I could put a shot on goal from halfway to the mid-line, and could chuck the ball across the field and halfway up. I wasn’t fast, and my footwork stunk, but if I could get a moment of possession, I could clear the ball deep.
Bob.
Ahh, then i would have just kept you on your right foot. (Played with a halfback that had a weak right, used to piss him off in practice.) Scored two goals from about 35-40 yds out, caught a couple goalies napping. Nice high wedge shot right over their heads as the tried to dive back.
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 10, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay no one runs for an entire hour and compared to balancing on 1/8" of steel while other people are trying to knock the snot out of you while you control a donut sized piece of frozen rubber.
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The NHL Equivalencies article
Comments: The only reason why Rinaldo makes this list is because he is currently playing in the NHL. He has no offensive upside and will have a trouble sticking in the league if he can’t develop a defensive game. He is someone who hurts his team more than helps it.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 10, 2011 6:45 AM EDT reply actions
Friday night, Jeff Carter was on the ice for 10 Blue Jackets scoring chances. And 0 scoring chances against.
That’s as unsustainable as Bryzgalov’s save percentage.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 10, 2011 6:59 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah, and on Saturday, he was 7-7.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if any of you guys watched that game, but Nash/Carter were in beast mode, it was really something to watch. Obviously they won’t dominate every game like that, but if they stay together all year I think the’ll be one of the best lines in the league.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
by Rob Parker on Oct 10, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I got the impression from the scoresheet that the other winger on that line is Prospal, is that true?
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 10, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I always kinda liked him when he was here. I mean he was never a main guy and the last time he was here he was a stopgap measure to help ease the burden of Gagne’s worst concussion, but he always did his job and I appreciated that about him.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 10, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I feel the same way about him. He did his job, and he did it relatively well.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
You missed my gloating over having both of Carter’s linemates in fantasy?
Bob.
by The Dark on Oct 10, 2011 12:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I must have. I’ll chalk it up to being sick, since I’m home on a sick day again.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 10, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Just like Kat targeted Homer after the Gagne trade, I think Geoff targets Bouchard now. Nobody messes with Calvert and gets away with it.
Which leads me to wonder, who on the Flyers plays most like Calvert? Perhaps Read?
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:(
It was Mike Richards.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I found out last night that Schenn and Calvert were teammates.
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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 10, 2011 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Indeed. Same with Travis Hamoic and Scott Glennie and Jacob DeSerres.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank you Copper and Blue...
and an excellent if not elite goaltender… who’s getting paid like an elite goaltender… for the next five thousand years.
So true it hurts.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
by EREX21 on Oct 10, 2011 7:11 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The article about Steve Mason’s terribleness makes my fantasy team sad. I essentially have 1 starting goalie.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Probably makes Jeff Carter sadder. That and Copper and Blue’s prediction that the Jackets don’t make playoffs.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 10, 2011 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure Jeff Carter is stuck in unending depression. He went from the East Coast Co-Ed meca(in terms of colleges) that is Philadelphia to Columbus, Ohio. I’ve been to the OSU campus. It, like it’s students, sucks.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
THE Ohio State University?
/wonders how speakers of other languages deal with the insistence by that university of the definite article
Astaire and Rogers, G and Jagr
Hunter Pence did not guarantee a WS, but, then, neither did Carlos Beltran.
Sorry to go off on a tangent from that, but I have a question for Kat, Teemu, or anyone else familar with Eastern European languages. When I learned some Slovenian and Croatian for my vacation last spring, it seemed to me that those languages don’t have articles at all. You don’t say “where is the hotel”, it’s just “where is hotel”. I noticed it because nouns have gender in those languages, but they don’t have gender-specific articles to go with them like I had to learn for German and Spanish. I wanted to use the correct genders, but it was harder for me to remember without an article preceding it. Is my observation correct?
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They don’t use the definitive articles (a, an, the) for Russia. Ya studientka (I am a student). There’s no present form of to be in Russian, either; it’s just assumed.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Your observation is basically correct. We use it sometimes but mostly, in spoken language, we don’t.
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Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I know ‘clutch’ is all subjective. But if there has ever mean a completely ‘unclutch’ or ‘reverse-clutch’ team, it has been the Philadelphia Eagles. Whenever the heat is on in the fourth quarter and the game is on the line, they find new and more and moer embarrassing ways to mess it up.
The Eagles will pick this up and win a few games. Will they get to 9-7 or 10-6 and sneak a wildcard? Unlikely. The only other chance is that the NFC East collapses around them and they somehow win the division. But I’m afraid that those reverse-clutch boneheaded moments are very likely to cost the Eagles playoffs.
Why am I posting this here instead of BGN? Man that’s a hard community to break into. Really appreciate the work of the editors and there’s often some quality analysis on there, but in the comments all I see are extremes, not much middle ground. I imagine after a while you get used to it and integrated. With BSH I guess the main intimidating factor is the need to back yourself up every time you have an opinion, which isn’t that bad in terms of the strength of the community.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 10, 2011 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions
*been not mean in the first sentence
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 10, 2011 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you about BGN. I honestly don’t know why I post there sometimes. The level of hatred and idiocy that is spewed there by some people is just ridiculous. It plays into the negadelphia view that people throw at this city and it’s fans.
As for the team, I said this in another thread, but to me, if they don’t make it to the playoffs, which is highly unlikely at this point, then I hope they suck enough to get a top 10 pick. Of course if Reid is still here he will probably take a guy that is pegged as a 2nd round pick so he can prove how ultra smart he is.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Teams that start the season 1-5 have a 5% chance of making the playoffs. Sigh.
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by Mitchell Green on Oct 10, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
**1-4, is should say.
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by Mitchell Green on Oct 10, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I popped over there yesterday to take a look at the comments about the game for s’s and g’s and saw a comment of yours and the various responses. The responses were quite hostile haha
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Yeah some guy, a Buffalo fan was thanking everyone for letting him post there during the week. He said absolutely nothing wrong and people went after him. I wasn’t a fan of that so I said something.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
The level of hatred and idiocy that is spewed there by some people is just ridiculous. It plays into the negadelphia view that people throw at this city and it’s fans.
BGN is my favorite Eagles blog but it’s been tough to go there lately because of what you pretty much said right there. It’s like every little small thing that happens during a game Reid should get fired for it, I’ll admit I’m a Reid guy but even if I wasn’t there isn’t anybody right now that we could get that’s better then him. Also since it looks like the NFC bEast is turning into the NFC lEast if we win next week & the Giants lose we’ll only be a game out of first kinda hard to believe but the season isn’t over yet
I don’t like Reid. I never did. Now, that said, I do see what he has done for this franchise and for awhile the things he was good at worked, very well. And they were able to overshadow his short comings, but those things aren’t working anymore. I don’t think he is all that great in the draft anymore. And maybe that has something to do with Roseman being the GM. Though I get the sence that Heckert was a yes man and was pretty much there to back up Andy. Offensively Andy seems to do a decent job finding talent but defensively? He blows. I haven’t written Graham off yet because he hasn’t had a chance, but if and when he comes back where is he going to go? Babin and Cole aren’t going anywhere. Maybe Graham can be a SAM or WILL but I doubt it. His clock management is still atrocious, his inability to make adjustments is back breaking and now, it seems like he and his staff get out coached every week. Don’t even get me started on Juan.
All that said, Andy deserves to finish out the season. The only way I would even consider making a change with him is if they brought in a guy that they knew would be their coach going forward. A guy who could start to install his systems and schemes now, consider it an extended training camp for next year. Let this season go down in flames for all I care. But you don’t fire Reid so that Marty can take over for the rest of this season. That just makes no sense to me.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I am also a huge Reid fan, pun intended. My head is about to explode with all the blame the defense is getting. Am I the only one is see allowing < 30 pts while giving up 5 turnovers as a success. Where the hell is the high powered offense that the entire defensive scheme is designed to protect the offense is averaging a 11th best < 25 pts per game and is the top rushing and top 3 team in offense in terms of yards. It is a joke. The defense is predicated on the offense being potent and forcing the opposition to go down the field to keep up. It is not designed to play from behind.
Yesterday during the game I got really heated & was like if we give up another TD after scoring I am fully on the fire Juan bandwagon but after the game I realized something our opponents have gotten 45 points off of turnovers we’ve given up 132 total if you take away the 45 we would have only give up 87 this year so I guess it isn’t only the defenses fault but they have also had 3 leads this year in the 4th & couldn’t protect it but then again the offense couldn’t score in those games in the 4th
The defense is getting blamed because it’s atrocious. I think only 4 teams in the league have allowed more points than they have. The Eagles offense is good. They move up and down the field pretty well. 3rd in the NFL in yards per game. 3rd in rushing yards per game. Their issue is the Red Zone, and that I blame mostly on play calling and the turnovers, INT’s and Fumbles.
Their defense is absolutely horrific to watch. Their linebackers are a joke, their safeties are also horrible. Juan’s head is so far up his own ass that he has no idea what is going on, on the field. You have the 2nd best cover corner in the league playing Zone? Are you kidding? Ray Charles could see that, that is a mistake. 7th best in passing yards against yet 3rd worst in rushing yards giving up.
The defense is predicated on the offense being potent and forcing the opposition to go down the field to keep up. It is not designed to play from behind.
I don’t even understand what this means. Their defense isn’t predicated on playing from behind? Yet in 4 of the 5 games that is exactly what has happened because they have allowed the opposition to march down the field and score. A defenses job is to stop the other team from scoring and they aren’t doing that. If it weren’t for the wide 9 being as successful as it is the defense might even be worse.
What blows my mind is people bitching about the Wide 9. The Wide 9 is not the issue. The Wide 9 is a scheme designed to get to the QB. And the Eagles led the league in sacks until yesterday. When, coincidentally enough, they pretty much abandoned the Wide 9 and shortened the gaps. And what was the result? 1 sack and 143 yards allowed on the ground. Which is 3 yards more than the Eagles were giving up on the ground per game anyway. So, even after shortening the gaps the Eagles still couldn’t stop the run. Nor could they stop the Bills from turning short passes(>10 yards) into 20 yard gains. Which has nothing to do with the Wide 9 at all.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Slowly marching down the field is fine and scoring is fine. But that is a clock game the defense if the offense could have answered any of those 4th quarter scores with only a simple filed goal in the 4th quarter of any of the games the Eagles would be 4-1 and not 1-4.
You mentioned that the defense is not designed to play from behind and like I said, 4 of the 5 games that has been the case, and yet, the one game it wasn’t, the 49ers game, the defense blew the lead. The defense blows. Period. The only bright spot has been the Wide 9.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
That has nothing to do with their defense. You were the one that said you didn’t understand why they were getting so much blame, and I illustrated for you exactly why they are getting blame.
As for their offense, I agree, they should score more than 25 a game, which is their average, not 24. But again, that has nothing to do with the defense being atrocious.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I think they are related if the Eagles were scoring more especially giving all the opportunities they had in the RED ZONE the opposition would be playing into the strength of the defense and not have the team to run the ball and throw screen passes. To slowly drive down the field.
The Eagles D is playing better than the Patriots D and yet the Pats are 4-1. How come. The offense doesn’t constantly turn the ball over and scores when they should.
The Eagles D is playing better than the Patriots D how exactly? The Patriots D gives up less points per game than the Eagles by almost 3 points.
The reason the Patriots Defense is giving up so many passing yards is because teams are forced to pass against them because when you are losing, which is generally the case against the Patriots, then you have to pass to try and catch up.
The difference is the turnovers. Patriots are +3 and the Eagles are a league worst(tied the the Steelers) -10.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
The reason the Patriots Defense is giving up so many passing yards is because teams are forced to pass against them because when you are losing
No, the Patriots defense is giving up so many passing yards because their pass defense is really really bad. They’re giving up 8.1 yards per pass play — it’s not just that teams are calling a lot of passes, it’s that they’re gouging out big chunks of yards with each pass.
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Keep in mind many of those yards are coming when the D is playing passive b/c they’re simply trying to prevent big plays.
This is rather circular. They give up big plays because they’re trying to prevent big plays.
So give them a break for giving up big plays because that’s what they’re trying prevent?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
And MY EYES tell me that simply isn’t true. SD and OAK racked up yards even in the first half, before there was any prevent D. The NE D is getting “timely turnovers” which other people consider “incredible luck that P. Rivers and J. Campbell cannot decipher the colors of the opponents jerseys.” If teams start taking care of the ball, that NE D is going to look even worse.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
the D is playing passive b/c they’re simply trying to prevent big plays.
You sound like you’re describing a team that’s been up by 28 points at the half in every game.
Miami was never down by more than 7 until the fourth quarter. San Diego had 196 passing yards (including five plays of at least 20) in the first half. Jason Freaking Campbell had 161 yards in the first half, when the game was always within 7 points.
This isn’t a team that’s giving up a lot of prevent yards in the last five minutes. It’s a team that’s giving up huge chunks of yards throughout the game.
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he reason the Patriots Defense is giving up so many passing yards is because teams are forced to pass against them because when you are losing, which is generally the case against the Patriots, then you have to pass to try and catch up.
Whichi is exactly my point if the Offense would get their shit together let the Pats then the Eagles D which is better at the Pats especially in pass defense wouldn’t be an issue.
In no way?
Pass yards per game: Eagles 211.8, Patriots 326.6
Sacks: Eagles 16, Patriots 8
Yards per game: Eagles 352, Patriots 433
Yards per play: Eagles 5.8, Patriots 6.8
Yards per pass: Eagles 6.5, Patriots 8.1
The Eagles’ rush D has been worse (5.0 yards per carry), but the Patriots’ rush D hasn’t been great (4.6 ypc), and their overall yards per play and yards per game are much worse.
The Eagles have given up 13 more points, it’s true. But that includes 35 points on drives that started on the Eagles’ side of the field, whereas the Patriots’ defense has only been put in that spot three times — and allowed TDs all three times.
I don’t mean to say the Eagles defense is playing great, by any means. But the only argument to be made defending the Patriots D is that they’ve gotten a couple more turnovers.
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Fucking football stats too. Jesus is there no peace.
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Those are rather traditional stats, M.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
In no way. Relying upon those statistics is folly. The Pats have played better offenses & their D is going to surrender more yards b/c the opposing team is forced to pass against them. Also, if you watch both teams, you will see a clear difference between the two. The Pats D is plainly better.
I’m not saying the Pats D is great, but the Eagles D is pathetic.
I’m sorry, but why is it folly to rely on yards given up? I get that there’s an exception for “bend, don’t break” defenses, but all you’ve theorized is that the Patriots played better offenses.
Is that even true? How do you judge a better offense, other than yards per game? And then aren’t you getting into an argument over expected yards allowed, which would be folly according to you?
I’m just confused that you throw out evidence that disagrees with you, instead relying on one misrepresentation (opponents are forced to throw), one non-argument (watch them), and one that can only be proven using the stats you dismissed (better offenses).
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The Pats have played better offenses
Both teams played Buffalo (and the Eagles held them to fewer points and over 100 fewer yards). New England’s other four opponents — Miami, San Diego, Oakland, and the Jets — are not exactly world-beating offenses; that group includes three bottom-ten QBs.
their D is going to surrender more yards b/c the opposing team is forced to pass against them
I quoted yards per pass attempt being much worse. That doesn’t get better because you throw more — if anything it gets worse, because the other team is focused on defending the pass.
Also, if you watch both teams
I’ve watched every game the Patriots have played this year. Have you? I’m going to guess not, because if you had, you’d have seen that their pass defense has been epically bad.
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Was just going to say the top part of what Eric said but he beat me to it but if you don’t believe him here are the Bills stats from the games.
vs New England: Rushing yards 79 Passing yards 369 Total yards 448
vs Philly Rushing yards 143 Passing yards 188 Total yards 331
They had 117 more yards against New England then they did against us
The only defensive stats that truly matter are points surrendered, red zone D & takeaways. The Pats are superior in all three categories.
Yeah, I just disagree with this.
When one team’s offense has repeatedly caused the defense to start in their own end of the field, it seems foolish to say that they’re a worse defense because they gave up more points.
Moreover, why do you include takeaways? Because they help with field position. You know what else helps with field position? Not giving up lots of yards. It’s completely inconsistent to say that turnovers matter but yards don’t.
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The Packers surrender more yards/game than the Eagles do…would anyone claim the Eagles D is better? Doubtful. The Niners only give up 12 less yards/game than the Eagles do, would anyone suggest the Eagles D is anywhere near as good as the Niners D? Also doubtful.
Way to completely sidestep the point.
What you have just done is suggest that yards are not the only important measure. That does not prove that they are irrelevant.
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I’m not saying they are completely irrelevant. I’m saying that relying upon yards to suggest the Pats D is worse than the Eagles D is a mistake. There are better statistical measuring sticks for defenses that indicate the Pats D is better than the Eagles D.
Yeah, so let’s go back to my replies to your “better statistical measuring sticks”.
You said two of the three stats that matter are points and takeaways.
The points are very close, and the difference between them entirely arises from the number of times the Eagles’ defense has been given a short field to defend. The Patriots haven’t been better in that regard — they’ve given up a TD every time they started in their own end — they just haven’t had to do it as often. So I don’t see the Patriots’ fewer points allowed as being the result of better defense.
The reason takeaways would be considered important is because of their impact on field position, and the Patriots’ penchant for giving up yards also impacts field position. So while I acknowledge that the Patriots have been better at generating turnovers, I don’t see that as being more important than their giving up a lot of yards. I don’t think the extra 0.8 turnovers per game is worth 80 yards of field position.
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If the opposition was trying to keep up with an explosive offense that scored points they wouldn’t be running the play or throwing short passes. They would be forced into going 3 wideouts and putting the Eagles in Nickel coverage and they wouldn’t have time to go deep with the ends getting pressure from the Wide 9 line scheme.
If the opposition was trying to keep up with an explosive offense that scored points they wouldn’t be running the play or throwing short passes. They would be forced into going 3 wideouts and putting the Eagles in Nickel coverage and they wouldn’t have time to go deep with the ends getting pressure from the Wide 9 line scheme.
With the exception of yesterday, that is exactly what every team has been doing. The Eagles got lucky against the Rams that Jackson got hurt and the Rams receivers are horrendous.
You don’t build a defense with the sole job of protecting a lead, just like you don’t build an offense with the sole job of trying to win low scoring games. You build an offense to score and a defense to stop the other team from scoring. The offense is doing it’s job for the most part. Is it perfect? Obviously not based on all the turnovers and red zone issues, which again, has more to do with the play calling than the offense itself.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Turnovers is on the players can’t blame play calling for playing stupid. Like stupid Vick holding the ball forever at the end of the 2nd half letting time run out before he threw the ball away.
I agree turnovers are on the players, absolutely. But the play with Vick at the end of the 1st half. That’s as much on Reid for not having any timeouts, and calling 2 while his defense was on the field, as it was on Vick for holding onto the ball and then throwing it through the back of the end zone as opposed to on the ground or to the sidelines.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I actually think the Eagles got screwed at the end of the half there should of been a second on the clock, it probably would of been smarter though to just kick the FG
Yeah it did look like there was a second but I didn’t think it was blatant. That said, you deserve what you get for putting yourself in that position to begin with.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I’ve avoided getting into it yesterday because I knew I’d have a bunch of people yelling at me and I wasn’t in the mood for that, but…
The scorekeeper doesn’t stop the clock on his own when he thinks the clock should stop. He stops the clock when he sees a ref signalling for the clock to stop. So it doesn’t stop when the ball hits OB — the ball has to hit OB, the ref has to react to that and wave for the clock to stop, and then the scorekeeper has to react to that and stop the clock.
That whisper-down-the-lane style of clock management always takes an extra second or two. It’s not a hometown screw job; it’s the system.
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Yeah, I didn’t see the game so I was just commenting that there is always some delay in the NFL games with respect to clock timing. Even delay of games are frequently called a second (or more) too late. It’s amazing how much imprecision there is given it’s a multi-billion dollar industry.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Were people on BGN implying that it was the Buffalo scorekeeper that cost the Eagles 3 points?
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
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I don’t go into the black abyss that is BGN game threads, but people on Twitter definitely were saying that.
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Go read a BGN game thread…Twitter isn’t great, but it’s way better.
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Same. I read everything BGN posts but rarely venture into the comments. Same goes for TGP actually.
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by Mitchell Green on Oct 10, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Have to agree that it’s stupid that people are blaming the wide 9, that’s been the only thing working for us & the Titans last year were one of the top teams against the run & they had Washburn as there DL coach. We need better LBs
Reid has shown time and time again they do not value that position.
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by Mike B on D on Oct 10, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
he didn’t value it before, but if you want to run the wide 9 you need line backers that can get off blocks and stop the run much better then what we have, so that is something he needs to change.
Seriously. I am just so frustrated with how easily those three get manhandled every single play. Sigh.
It’s a lot more complex than this but look at the two teams that got to the Super Bowl last year. Both the Packers and Steelers (urgh) had great linebackers. Like I said, I know there are more variables than that but those linebackers were a huge part of the success both team’s defenses had last season.
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by Mitchell Green on Oct 10, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
We mentioned here on BSH several times about the definition of insanity several times last season. Andy Reid has ignored this position for years and he’s been burnt time and time again. He never did learn to manage the clock and hasn’t gotten much better with time outs, calling plays, or challenges.
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I don’t see BSH as having an intimidating factor, as you call it. I prefer to think of it as thought -provoking, which is what a good blog should do. These are good people here, with an excellent leadership group (very clutch).
In fact, had I not joined this blog and learned some of the ropes, I never would have spent an hour or more last Sat. morning tracking down data and analysis regarding Steckel, Betts, Kanopka, et al and the importance of winning faceoffs. What I found out truly surprised me, so much so I considered writing a separate fanpost on the topic.
One should also consider the difference between football and hockey; I find that on the whole, hockey people just tend to be smarter and more erudite (Flyers FO not withstanding).
very clutch
Harrrummpph. The bloglords obviously have a metric to determine their own performance.
Astaire and Rogers, G and Jagr
Hunter Pence did not guarantee a WS, but, then, neither did Carlos Beltran.
I don’t see BSH as having an intimidating factor, as you call it. I prefer to think of it as thought -provoking, which is what a good blog should do.
We challenge a lot of assumptions here. When you have something that you’ve believed for years without knowing exactly why, and suddenly people are aggressively calling you on it, it can be unsettling. I’d say the five stages of conventional viewpoint grief are:
1) Dismissal – “What kind of nerd math says plus/minus isn’t important?”
2) Appealing to outside authority – “Every major analyst uses plus/minus.”
3) Shock – “I can’t believe you guys can sit there and say plus/minus doesn’t matter.”
4) Defensiveness – “I was just trying to say Meszaros played well last year, why is everyone jumping on me?”
5) Acceptance – “Maybe plus/minus isn’t the best way to show it. What was his Corsi Rel, anyway?”
I’d guess a lot of people give up somewhere between steps 2-4. But I think the ones who at least stick with it to figure out why BSH is skeptical of plus/minus — even if they don’t agree — come away with a much better understanding.
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by Eric T. on Oct 10, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I definitely experienced 3, 4 and 5.
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by Snevik on Oct 10, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think the BSH intimidation factor dropped when you guys lost your enforcer, MarioD. Now opposing fans feel free to come into your house and talk all sorts of trash without fear of retribution. Old time hockey is dying, on BSH.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
by Rob Parker on Oct 10, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1
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Wouldn’t calling him “our” enforcer imply that he was on the same side as most of us?
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 10, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
But man did he go nuts on trolls even worse.
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haha, you missed the CAPITALization KING.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
But I think he’s made a few appearances at Japers, hasn’t he?
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 10, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It actually makes sense to talk about the CAPITALS in all caps
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 10, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, he easily takes the cake as most effective troll. At least Mario only did it here. Rob started here and has now taken his talents to another site.
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by Mitchell Green on Oct 10, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I read one of those “related fanposts” on a recent story. It was from about 2 years ago, before my time, and in the comments MarioD seemed like a very dismissive little jerk. Almost every one of his analyses and predictions of various Flyers was way off base.
Lockerroom cancer.
by mtitanic on Oct 10, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I actually got banned on my first day here because I called him a no fun wet blanket. Travis had to sit me down.
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I mostly stood my ground, a lot… and got really upset when he insulted Geoff and (occasionally) Travis. Repeat that loop for a year or so.
It made me a more active member, though.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 10, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea I have to say I spent more time trying to prove what I was saying. He wasn’t just stats so it wasn’t totally impossible to argue with him. At least for me.
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He was “just stats” when he wanted to be. Randy Jones was better than Rob Scuderi, because GVT said so. But when GVT said James van Riemsdyk was as good as Scott Hartnell, it was more than stats.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
It depended on the level of the argument. The two day screamer regarding Carter and the whole ‘clutchness’ went from stats to not stats and back again.
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I ignored every time he ever responded to something I said and advised others to do the same, so I almost never got in to it with him. Plus, I knew someone would eventually come along and go at it with him so I figured there was no point for me to.
I will say that I kind of loved those heavyweight back-and-forths he had with various people like Geoff, because they would go on forever and were actually pretty enlightening. I learned a lot from them. But, I always just felt bad for the newbies who he would blindside and hardcore bully, though. Despite Mario’s blatant insulting and condescending tone, I always appreciated the effort he put into backing up his arguments, even if he was wrong haha. That’s not to say I upset that he’s gone. He is a nasty, stubborn person. If could have kept it civil, instead of calling everyone idoits, we wouldn’t have had a problem, but time and time again, he showed it was impossible for him to do that. Oh, MarioD…
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by Mitchell Green on Oct 10, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of Mario, this is the memory that is the first to come to mind. I am sure Fehr remembers it. You two went back and forth for awhile! Wow. It was pretty epic.
Oh man, good times. Haha
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by Mitchell Green on Oct 10, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
What is the funniest part is every like five comments someone throws a comment in there and MarioD/Fehr/Geoff completely ignore it as they assault one another.
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I love when Fehr called Mario Huck and Eric says “What’d I do?”
haha, good times.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think he had changed his screenname yet, had he? So I think it would still have shown up as HuckNZ saying “What’d I do?” the day it happened.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 10, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it was a few months ago when I referenced that same thread.
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I still remember how hard I laughed when I watched that mess unfold in real time. That was an incredible moment.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 10, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Fehr: Would you change the conversation at all based on what I now look at instead of QualComp and QualTeam?
Keith had ridiculously low on-ice Sv% (0.889) and was still only 0.40 GA/60 worse. To me, Keith is so obviously the run-away winner there – 1.405 CorsiRelQoC, 0.690 CorsiRelQoT, 1.16 Pts/60, 0.42 +//60, 979 PDO – while Green was clearly benefiting from unsustainable luck in ridiculously cushy situations.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I seriously meant to preview there, but forgot. Stupid stupid stupid.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I had Keith winning that Norris all along, so that doesn’t change.
I think Green deserved a nomination more than Pronger, that doesn’t change.
The Norris Green should have won was Chara’s lifetime achievement award (he’s so big and tough!).
And I dispute your characterization of Green’s minutes as “ridiculously cushy.” He had tougher CorsiRelQoC than E. Johnson, Hal Gill, Enstrom, Ferrence, and a bunch of other guys that are generally considered capable defenders. He didn’t have the toughest competition, but he wasn’t sheltered as much as you’re indicating. He was middle of the pack for the league, and he played for a coach that wasn’t an aggressive line-matcher in any event.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
That’s a fair criticism. I was speaking in relation to those we were looking at. They weren’t “ridiculously cushy” for NHL defenders. Apologies.
I still think Pronger deserves a nomination more than Green. He had a higher CorsiRel, lower OZ%, tougher competition, worse teammates, worse luck, and more ice time. But I don’t really care any more, I was just curious.
Doughty was robbed though!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m torn about how to address luck. At some level results are results, especially for just an individual, one-season award. I get that if a guy has absurd Sh% or PDO then maybe you have to re-think some of the things, but I think there is enough fuzziness around what luck is that it’s tough to use to adjust for a single season’s performance.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Again, also fair in the context of single-season awards. And I’m a lot more likely to adjust for bad luck (Keith’s on-ice save percentage) than good luck (Green’s on-ice shooting percentage), but I still think it’s relevant.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
It is relevant for sure. But how much do you trust the PHWA to accurately adjust for it?
Obviously, this is all speculation.
haha, none.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure it was mostly Fehr, but reading that thread again made me feel better. Yeah, I totally effed up what 5.9 TOI meant, but I had two comments turn green. And three other comments get two recs.
:)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
He would also prove his point with screenshots and different color arrows and circles
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 10, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I never let his insults bother me, it was when he was clearly trying to talk down to me that pissed me off.
The one that still gets me is “You used to want to learn from me”. That was a big one when I called him out on Randy Jones. And JVR/Hartnell.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea that dude got to throw insults at everyone but if you called him an asshole Travis would nip you in the ass immediately.
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He’s a lawyer. He knows how to insult you without breaking the rules. You just insulted him without caring about the rules :)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It bothered me more when he insulted other people than it did when he insulted me, and you were a frequent target. I think it’s a family trait, because everyone in my family is ridiculously protective of their friends.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 10, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
When he started openly talking about how horrible BSH and their writers were I knew my time with MarioD was coming to a close.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
That’s when he was banned.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
He was a blogospheric morphitization of the BSH versions of Riley Cote and Zac Rinaldo.
He would go off about nothing and with very little provocation.
He took punches but threw very few that landed squarely.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
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What he was a bully typer and cut and paister. He would hit you with for comments before you even read the first one. By the time you replied he was killing you on something almost completely unrelated.
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I think it’s highly possible that he single-handedily changed the temperature of discourse here.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Until a shining white knight came in to save your heathen community.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Ha, it depends on what you think I’m saying…
But in any event, make sure not to take me too seriously.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Just remember that it was heathens that burned sacrifices in wicker men, and we’ll get along just fine.
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by The Dark on Oct 10, 2011 12:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Was her or FlyerRob/Bob a larger douchenozzle?
I waffle on trying to answer this in my head.
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Rob is, by all accounts, a well-intentioned if baffling human. Mario is just a dick. I don’t think it’s a hard question.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Agreed.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea I actually sympathized for ROB because you could see the train coming in both directions.
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His religious zealousness on a hockey site really bothered me.
He would not have been happy with the whole Bryz as your savior meme.
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But he was also an ignorant, prejudice hypocrite. And wasn’t smart enough to hide it after making ridiculous claims.
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Geoff and the rest of you are quick but he was break neck.
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Just for the record
I want you all to know that JvR was to blame on the only goal the Flyers gave up this year.
You can clearly see that Couturier is coming to the bench. You can see the puck about to go ahead to Marchand for the breakaway. And there’s JvR on the bench, not even trying to get in the game and help out. He needs to go.
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by Eric T. on Oct 10, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Rec’d.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 10, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He did this shit so fast it was amazing. I mean he would through this at you before you even got your side of the point out.
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Wait!! That's MarioD's music!
MarioD isn’t gone? He’s just been promoted to the masthead?
Obviously, this is all speculation.
I always wondered how he just gave up cold turkey, I have long believed he must have changed up to get involved
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You’re missing Step 1.
Which is half-wins, by the way.
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by fat_daddyo on Oct 10, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does he count as an enforcer when he attacked as many people from here as from other places?
"I repeat we have normality." She turned her microphone off — then turned it back on, with a slight smile and continued: "Anything you still can’t cope with is therefore your own problem."
Ask Steve Downie and Akim Aliu.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
by Rob Parker on Oct 10, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec’d haha
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 10, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t angrily dispute the stats but rather believe what I think through my personal background. And actually it seems even though Geoff proves stances through stats we come to the same conclusions in the end. Such as DSOD is not an NHL player.
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For me game threads are recess and everything else is school, with an emphasis on mathematics, formal logic and especially rhetoric (Aristotle’s definition – the art of finding the available means of persuasion).
Whenever I post here I feel as though I have to think before I speak, which is not a bad filter, particularly in a sports fan blog. So the rigor improves the meeting, as the Quakers would say. I mean, nobody is actually playing hockey right now. It’s thinking and writing. Being in game shape for that is generally quite useful.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 10, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
From the grumpy old man's article"
His tenacity in front is why Simmonds is getting more power play time than Scott Hartnell. Simmonds had 3:51 vs. Hartnell’s 1:39 in the game.
With all of the rumors, and they are just rumors, that Hartnell is on the block, things like the above quote don’t do anything to dispel the notion. Now that the LBH line has been broken up and Hartnell’s role on the PP has gone to someone else they might as well trade him, if they can find someone to take his contract, and he waives his no trade. (He does still have one of those right?)
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
However
Hartnell’s salary is lower than his cap, since he is toward the end of his contract. This makes his contract more palatable to lower-cap teams.
Astaire and Rogers, G and Jagr
Hunter Pence did not guarantee a WS, but, then, neither did Carlos Beltran.
Not as appealing as he’ll be next ear, it’s only a 500K savings right now. Nashville keeps being rumored as the trade partner, but I don’t know if they can afford him on their internal cap.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 10, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
You trade Hartnell and Gus for one of their stud young D-man (no, not Blum, but they have plenty). A couple make close to $1M. Assuming they keep Gus in the minors, it’s close to a wash for them.
Astaire and Rogers, G and Jagr
Hunter Pence did not guarantee a WS, but, then, neither did Carlos Beltran.
We still no examples of any team having an interest in this theory, right?
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
I see three possible categories:
1) Teams that would spend over the cap if they could care only about cap hit.
2) Teams looking to spend somewhere between the floor and the cap care only (or mostly) about salary.
3) Teams that would spend below the floor if they could care about salary / cap hit differential.
I know Nashville’s payroll is pretty low, but I’d have guessed they were still in category 2. Would they cut their payroll to $35-40M if they had the chance?
And to your question, no, I don’t think we have examples of teams that have shown they care about the salary / cap hit differential yet.
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Nashville almost certainly would. It would absolutely be in Poile’s playbook (just as trying to circumvent the cap legally is in Homer’s).
They are close to the floor, but most OTF’s think they are there in order to be able to add salary at the deadline. Not saying Hartnell would definitely be desired by Preds, just saying that they tend to be much more into cost savings than other teams. Very different from the departed Atlanta -they just lost $$ over and over again.
Astaire and Rogers, G and Jagr
Hunter Pence did not guarantee a WS, but, then, neither did Carlos Beltran.
I been saying it for years. Hartnell is not a power forward and doesn’t provide any net presence. If he did the things Simmonds does he would be fine but for some reason I am assuming poor equilibrium Hartnell doesn’t do shit on the PP. 18 power play goals in the last 3 seasons.
Think he would have done more if they had planted him in front of the net to screen and get garbage goals.
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 10, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
So Schenn’s cap hit is now lowered to 1.6 because he started the season in the AHL? I did not know this, but that is sweet.
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I see, must have missed it. Always nice to find a little more space.
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Happy Birthday Captain Elbows!
Just think, another year closer to Cialis, baby!
If Brzy doesn't do right by Bob I'll kick his $51 million ass across the WFC.
Because it's never too early to watch Matt Cooke get rocked
Anyone see this? The hit looks clean to me, what do you guys think?
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Clean hit. And the only way I would have enjoyed it more is if Evander Kane had given Cooke the hit.
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by A Flyers Phamily on Oct 10, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. The only reason I phrased it that way was that my friend told me Cooke got elbowed in the face. I see now he was exaggerating or only heard it second hand.
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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 10, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
From the Puck Daddy article about Calvert taking a stick to the face, the Columbus coach…
“We want to talk about getting hit from behind and shots to the head, but we allow a guy to stay in the game after taking a baseball swing at a guy’s face? That’s a joke.”
I’m not well versed on all of the rules yet, but I can’t tell if he said this out of anger or if high sticking to the face should actually be considered the same thing as a shot from behind/head shots? I hope this makes sense!
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But really it is only a malicious high stick if he bleeds. Because if there is no blood it doesn’t count.
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Of course… cause if there’s no blood than didn’t actually happen right?
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Exactly!
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No blood no foul, right? Right?
"I repeat we have normality." She turned her microphone off — then turned it back on, with a slight smile and continued: "Anything you still can’t cope with is therefore your own problem."
by Mike B on D on Oct 10, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s got to be the new math. That’s why all these kids are nuts!
Mother can I have some more petite marshmallows in my hot cocoa!
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If there is malicious intent a match penalty can be called, whether there is blood or not. From what shanny has done about it he must have felt there was intent so I agree he maybe should have been kicked from the game.
Interestingly enough I was at the game and could not see it very well plus I have not seen a replay but to me it looked like they were jostling on the faceoff and pmb’s stick rode up and caught him. It wasn’t like he tomahawk chopped the guy over the head so I’m not sure it really warrants a suspension, at least from my angle.
by kckrebs on Oct 10, 2011 10:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That ’s about how it started. However I think the shot he gave him was intentional. Sure looked it in the replay anyway, but I did not study it.
I was just joking around about the blood for minutes.
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by Mike B on D on Oct 10, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Think it was intentional to hit him, but watching the replay, I think heis stick gets pushed up higher than he intended by the other guy’s stick.
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 10, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It sure looked like Calvert rangered the stick into his own face.
It’s hard to believe that a suspension comes from that, but Chara and Mills are still playing after their respective boardings
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I see both. I see Calvert lifting his stick, but I see a swing too.
What probably would have been a slash across the hands became a slash to the face.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
good to see everyone on this fine morning.
So Captain Elbows…we see how important he is to a defense, despite his age. I can only hope this importance lasts the next couple of years, couple with appropriate surgery, drugs and time off during the season
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So the Flyers are doing the same promotion that the ‘Canes did last week leading up to their home opener… and I was all excited this morning when I saw it on Twitter cause I have the day off… until I realized that it was the Flyers feed and not the ’Canes and I’m not in Philly.. haha
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ANd we start another year where there is a Bettmen point so teams like the Pens can stay competitive. The entire overtime/shootout system is JV. It’s like children’s soccer these day where they don’t keep score and everyone gets a trophy.
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OMFG you so true with soccer and that is with my niece is 6 and they still do that. No wonder USA has lost its competitive edge on the global level. A bunch of babies. I remember getting chewed out by my coach when I was 5 for dropping a fly ball in a tee ball playoff game. And I also remember winning 4 straight Little League Championships and never dropping a ball again as a fielder after practicing fielding for everyday for 2 weeks with my dad after school. Hard work = success nothing is handed to you.
And you should get nothing equal to a regulation win for the skills competition. They have to do a 3-2-1 system, a win still needs to mean something.
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One of the worst things I ever saw, when my younger brother was playing little league 15 years or so ago, if you struck out, they brought out a T and let you hit. Wanted to smash something. Horrible.
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 10, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, those hack Pens wouldn’t even be in the discussion without the SO. I’m all on board with the Pens trashing, but let’s not pretend they aren’t going to be a guaranteed playoff team with or without the SO.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
No but it still needs to mean something to win in regulation. It’s insulting that you get the same amount of points for winning by shootout.
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I think it’s ridiculous that not all games count the same, but I prefer a SO to a tie so I’m basically over bitching about it. I’d rather 10 minutes of OT and then at least 5 shooters per team, but I wouldn’t scrap the SO and I don’t think it’s meant to keep certain teams competitive.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
I’m not even anti shootout, but thats why a regulation or overtime win should be 3 points. You won by outplaying the opponent as the sport is meant ot be played. 2 points for a shootout win and 1 point for the overtime loss.
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by MJDII on Oct 10, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am surprised the competition committee hasn’t changed this yet. I am pretty sure the SO and 2 pts for winning it isn’t well received by players coaches and the entire country of Canada.
Yeah, Americans are too dumb for a 3-2-1-0 system.
I would point out that in the past teams would just suffocate the end of the game trying to get the guaranteed points, so theoretically there are fewer shootouts by treating them the same as an OTW/L.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
The Pens will be competitive regardless of overtime points, brochocho
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 10, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let me reiterate
Okay let me make this clear I was reading the box scores and the pens SO win made me write the comment. I have nothing particular to the Pens other then they are the enemy. This was a rant against the system no the pens specifically.
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Yes. And historically they do feast in the SO. But they are also a team that dominates the puck at ES and are in the top handful of teams in the league.
You know who is really good but doesn’t feast in the SO? Vancouver. Because Luongo sucks at everything except choking in the bright lights.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Another random question… is there a way to print a schedule from flyers.com so it looks like an actual calendar? Cause I found the “printable schedule” but that’s just a list of the games.
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Ubi hasn’t been around much. I’m sure he is all puffy chested over the Sabres.
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I would be too. The Sabers are going to be dangerous all year. Anyone that doesn’t have them on their contender radar is in for it.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
Shanaban video
I see Shanaban’s videos contain a power point display. This is disturbing for as you know whenever a power point is used, a kitten may will be killed. So please guys keep this in mind when attacking other players: Save the Kitties!
If Brzy doesn't do right by Bob I'll kick his $51 million ass across the WFC.
Did his powerpoint include any animations or slide transition sound effects? Those are the bane of my existence.
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Is it too early to say that Wayne’s World is going to be better then people thought? The reason why I’m asking is because at the time of the trades the two most that were talked about were Voracek & Schenn & he’s been better then both so far although I guess that isn’t fair to Schenn since he was injured & is in the AHL until they call him up
I think they got more press because they had to be explained. I think people summed Simmonds up as “This is the kind of kid the fans will love” over and over again and just left it at that.
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If I remember correctly, Vorachek was a ? because he hasn’t “put it all together yet”. Schenn is just younger, so that was a ? as well. Wayne was supposed to be pretty good, and I think as 02 said, Kings fans told us he would fit right in.
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 10, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Two random thoughts this AM
Am I alone in hoping that Betts is dressed and Rinaldo scratched for the Canucks game?
Did Ben Rothenberg at least try to purchase at auction Bartulis’ game-worn retro jersey from Saturday night’s Phantoms game?
1) Nope, not alone, but I don’t want him to play hurt either
2) I’ll be disappointed if he didn’t
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 10, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
New rulebook
So I can’t take credit for being the only one, but I was one of probably many fans who complained to NHL.com about the new rules not being on the website, and the 2011-12 Rulebook is finally up.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 10, 2011 11:04 AM EDT reply actions
Except there might be something wrong with the PDF file…. I’ll have to try my other computer later.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 10, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I got a message about part of the PDF not being displayed and asking if I wanted to open in Adobe instead.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Similar. I have Acrobat Pro on my other computer, so sometimes that can open PDF files that are a little messed up. But I’m still complaining to NHL.com again now.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 10, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
That Cammalleri video points out a significant design flaw at that stadium in that he can’t get to the dressing room but from the ice and not the bench, at least not for the Habs. Luckily his injury was not as serious as it could have been, but no one could know that right away. What if it was more serious and the refs didn’t stop play? Potential lawsuit?
I guess today anything is a potential lawsuit, but that’s not what I immediately thought. Definitely are lack of foresight on their design plans, though.
Just another reason to get hockey out of Atlanta. A real hockey town would never make such an obvious design flaw. Cammalleri is lucky to even escape that arena with his leg. The NHL really needs to start contracting these sunbelt teams and bringing hockey back to the arenas and fans that really know and love the game. Wait, what?
Obviously, this is all speculation.
by Rob Parker on Oct 10, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Spectrum was like that. I’d assume it is typical of older buildings.
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Without looking, my first guess would be either Nassau Coliseum or MSG. I’ll confirm later unless someone beats me to it.
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MSG – 1968, Nassau – 1972
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Given the extensive renovations MSG is getting, though, I’d expect some of those issues could be getting addressed.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 10, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
meh
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 10, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
By that I mean lots of arguments that were right up my alley. As far as actually missing any one, or any one missing me, F it, I don’t care, I was away golfing.
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Where?
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Bear Trap, War Admiral, and Rookery in Delaware and Maryland by the beach.
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Never golfed down there but i hear there a re a lot of nice courses. I was in Myrtle the second week of September, played 6 days in a row. Grueling!
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War Admiral/Man of War (both at Glen Riddle) are the highlights of the area IMO, they’re also really difficult, particularly the back 9 of War Admiral. They have a lot of nice courses down there in Maryland by the beach/bay (Lighthouse Sound, Rum Point, etc). The best course I’ve play in Maryland though is outside DC, Lake Presidential. It’s immaculate, plus you don’t have to pay that extra 20% courses tend to charge when they are by the ocean or bay.
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ah, argument wise. i didnt look at the arguments, I’m still rolling along on the “I told you so” high I’m getting about bragging about Jagr and Simmonds
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 10, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Nothing like I told you so’s 5 days in to a season.
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beats the hell out of whining over spilt milk
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 10, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
in one option, I can relish over winning and success. In the other option, people act as if the world is ending.
SMall sample sizes for both, but I’ll take winning over crying any day of the week
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 10, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Over reacting is over reacting, I can appreciate and hate both equally.
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was your game Wednesday or Saturday? I ended up bending over for tickets for Saturday, just so I can boo Gagne
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 10, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
What game? Flyers? I have season tickets…so yes?
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i didnt know about the season tickets, and i thought u said you had plans Saturday
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 10, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
regardless, I will be there with a buddy of mine who really wanted to go to the Kings game to see Richie
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 10, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
215. I’ll wave down below as I second guess my financial decisions
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 10, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
My mom is handicapped, I buy season tickets with her and we get relocated to a handicapped section because she cannot access normal seats. Our actual seats are 224. It’s a good place to watch warm ups from, stop by and say hi then.
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will do chief
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 10, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
So question…anyone have any idea what time the parking lot behind the WFC opens for a 7:30 game?
I am going to the game Wednesday and coming from Harrisburg. So I am trying to decide what time to leave here so I can get into the lot.
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i’d suggest 4 pm
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 10, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Normally I would say let’s meet up, but freaking Pre Cana has me giving up my tickets. This pre-wedding BS is no fun.
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That would have been awesome actually. I hear ya about Pre Cana…we had two Pastors at our wedding so we had to do it for both. One of the Pastors was in Hershey which is where we got married, the other was Stone Harbor NJ.
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Yeah, I’m really not happy about it, though it sounds like you had lovely commutes for yours haha.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA, Pre-Cana. That was a laugh friggin riot. It was actually archaic.
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I learned I was a cohabitator in our first session, and that there is no proof that actually helps the marriage (or so they say), and that if you really think about it logically, it’s hurts the marriage. I wanted to start arguing at that point, but I realized it’s best to sit back, smile, and nod.
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I did a lot of nodding and smiling at those sessions. When you are not a religious person and you are forced to sit infront of a Pastor, or two and talk about Marriage and it’s religious routes, well it gets interesting.
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Yea same for me. I am not nor was I raised in a religion so when my wife said to me we have to go to these I was very skeptical. Then we got there and it was actually comical. Everyone is at this class pretending they don’t cohabitate nor have been intimate.
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I’m really not comfortable pretending that I don’t, and I won’t actually if asked. Though the first was good, the guy didn’t make any ridiculous assumptions that we haven’t been doing such, he just simply encouraged people to take a period of time before the wedding to sleep in separate rooms, etc. So I at least respected that he was mildly realistic about what actually goes on.
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Was this Catholic Pre-Cana or just misc Christian? Cause the old school Roman Catholics don’t even acknowledge it could be anything but abstinence. I was dark ages.
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I got married at a Vineyard and as a result I am forever kicked out of the Catholic Church. I was not allowed to be a Godparent to my sister’s kids. I am sure I can pay money and take a bunch of classes to get back in but F them.
Yea definitely you can always buy your way back in no matter what you have done.
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Gotta love the Catholics
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 10, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I was fortunate in that the one Pastor, the one in Stone Harbor was a family friend, and he knew I wasn’t really a religious person so he didn’t push the issue. The other guy was actually pretty good about it, I told him right off the bat that I was raised Catholic but as I have gotten older and become more liberal in my beliefs that those beliefs do not really jive with the Catholic stance on things and at the time, and even still, I have not really found myself needing to join a church because organized religion is not for me. And he never really brought it up. With both Pastors it was just my wife and I so we were lucky there.
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My mother’s cousing just retired, and as a pastor, in your first session after you sat down and got comfortable, his first question was something along the lines of, “So…you sleeping together?”
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 10, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
As you know, I am sure, leave early so as to avoid the rush hour traffic around Harrisburg but more importantly, to avoid the traffic on 76 outside Philly.
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by Mitchell Green on Oct 10, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
What CCB said below…
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by Mitchell Green on Oct 10, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
ohhhh ok. Well that changes things up chief. I thought you were going from harrisburg to the game, no in between.
I’d do the following: look for parking early, if they’re not open, then park at chickies and petes. If they’re open early, there’s a shuttle you can take.
With adding food in, perhaps 3-330. There shouldn’t be much traffic on the turnpike, and that puts you in or near Philly by 5-30. Add in the parking, walking, sit down by 6. eat, back in time for game at 730
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 10, 2011 11:57 AM EDT reply actions
Thanks. I was trying to find online what time the lots open but the Flyers site and the WFC site don’t say anything.
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yeah I mean worst case just park at Chickies and Petes
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 10, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Or park anywhere else around there, I’m sure you can find somewhere to park.
I’m not sure if they still tow in C&P’s lot if you just park in there and go to the game. I do remember seeing a sign stating that though.
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I used to work for Central Parking, they are only loosely associated with the venue, and each parking lot has a different manager, who will institute different rules. I worked the K lot (the Linc) for a few weeks in the summer, so it all depended on what time the Phils were playing. I know that’s not much help, but I would imagine 3 wouldn’t be too early. If memory serves.
by hebrew hammer on Oct 10, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Wednesday
Anyone looking to buy tickets? I have two for sale…goal line we shoot on twice…
And no, I’m not tyring to start a business…I just bought my tickets before I knew I was moving to Charlotte and it’s an expensive commute for a game.
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For all games or just Vancouver?
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Well, I will have a lot more for sale, but I have friends I ask first, and Vancouver hasn’t sold yet.
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Meant to ask, who else is going to the game Saturday?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 10, 2011 12:11 PM EDT reply actions
Making the trip from Boston to see Richards and Gagne, probably my only game of the year since the cheapest tickets up here are so damn expensive.
by hebrew hammer on Oct 10, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
nice. Section 215…
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 10, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
row 12
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 10, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully it ends up better than the last time 2 times I saw a Western Conference teams at the WFC. One was a 5-1 massacre at the hands of Kiprusoff and the Flames. The last one they blew a lead to Anaheim in the last minute and then lost in OT or the SO. There was a point when Lupul Carter’d and someone yelled, “That’s why we traded you.” Seemed funny at the time, but now it just makes me sad.
by hebrew hammer on Oct 10, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
im hoping for a win. Either way it’ll be something fun on a saturday
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 10, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Not Saturday, but I’ll be there the 20th against the Craps.
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a buddy of mine convinced me to shell out the cash, so there i will be
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 10, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
My wife and I are going to Saturdays game. Have to see the return of Cannon.
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by darkside3744 on Oct 10, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
cool beans. I’m trying to decide if I want to flea market that morning and see if there’s a Chinese Jagr floating around
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 10, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
To Travis, Geoff, don, Sean
Are you guys thinking about heading up north for a game this year?
by ryan1 on Oct 10, 2011 12:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don’t know how Shaun or I will feel about it; you didn’t spell his name correctly, and mine wasn’t worth capitalizing apparently haha.
But in all seriousness, I’ll let Travis or Dets get back to you about that one.
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Try this next time
TRAVIS, Detweeler, Mr. Cartoons and the guy that comes around when he’s not too busy
This should get all their attentions.
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Can I be Mr. T-Shirt? Cartoons is kind of hit or miss schedule wise.
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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 10, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Cats out of the bag now, so I guess I can answer. Yes, Travis, Geoff, and I will be coming up at least once this season.
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Yeah, we are trying to plan something now, actually.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
We are? I haven’t received any e-mails.
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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 10, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I might drive myself but I might attend this years trip.
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OH REALLY?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 10, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I was wondering if these Glens Falls trips were exclusive Masthead+Don excursions haha, but depending on when and how much it’ll cost me, I’d maybe consider making the trip up to see the Phantoms too.
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by Mitchell Green on Oct 10, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Is this a BSH thing or just a good buddies that hangout on BSH thing. Because if I could I would be down for a road trip.
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by darkside3744 on Oct 10, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It is sold to the SB Nation people as a scouting trip where they might drink a few beers but in reality its the exact opposite.
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Shhhhh!
At least we recorded it so there was documentation.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
darkside, MJD, CCB and insert name here
Codename: The Career Backups Trip
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 10, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey I was never anything but first line and capt.
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of the buffet line? I kid, because I’m rather portly
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 10, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw this coming, and yet I did nothing to prevent it.
My purpose of being there is that I’m the only non-female that can keep Geoff in line and from either getting the shit kicked out of him by Coach Paterson or by any random person on the street.
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So Geoff employs female body guards when you’re in pre cana?
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Or he just let’s his girlfriend do his fighting for him.
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Well it’s not fighting for him, it’s making sure he doesn’t do/say anything stupid and putting out the fires when he does.
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Though, if I remember correctly the entire goal of the trip last time was to make Geoff do something stupid. No?
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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 10, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you not remember keeping him from wearing long underwear to cover the Phantoms game?
Also, trying to get Geoff to dance is not stupid in a way that offends anyone, it looks stupid and makes everyone around him laugh.
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This is so spot on. I know I’m a robot, but feelings of embarrassment are coming in.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I must say though, that I back-pedaled my way out of Paterson wanting to kick my ass myself. Travis was of no assistance there.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, you did well after that brief stutter you had while crapping your pants.
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Thanks. I tried to hide it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
In friend news, let me know if you are free Sunday.
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I keep score for softball Sundays.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Can they let your services go this Sunday if the weather is nice?
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I’d have to give notice. Why?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Jenn’s bro is in town, thinking about going golfing with him, was seeing if you wanted to join.
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After last time? And with how good he is?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously someone should pick a game or weekend and its every person for themselves.
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Hopefully you guys pick a game I’ll be back from school for. Section N would love a few guests for the night
Is the hockey scout going to be with you? :-)
I would figure you would work this out with the masthead on dates. I thought you were the one that arranged this last time.
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Last time they just came and I met up with them. However then I was a high school senior and I could make every game. Now, I’m trying to learn and will only be back on breaks.
Hopefully the hockey scout will be in attendance! Things can be a little hit or miss with women unfortunately
Where you going to school?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, THAT Tufts University.
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Haha, I’m used to people not knowing where it is.
by ryan1 on Oct 10, 2011 6:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would have googled it. haha
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Psh, you can drive home 4 hours for a weekend.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I can try. Seriously, let me know of the weekend when you guys decide and maybe I already had it circled to go home for hockey.
Travis hasn’t chimed in, and he’s the one who threw the date out there, so I’m going to defer to him on sharing the date.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I had to google it, but basically, he’s driving the length of Massachusetts, then north for 45 minutes.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’m just used to Florida, where Miami to Jacksonville is 345 miles, which is about 40 miles further than Philadelphia to Pittsburgh.
The hilarious one is Key West to Pensacola. The shortest route via road is around 830 miles. That’s further than Philadelphia to Atlanta.
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Daaaaamn. Well, just another reason Florida sucks :)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I had a similar conversation with my mom tonight when she commented that driving from Boston to Acadia National Park was 7 hours and it felt long. I’m like “Well, people drive for 3 hours to shop by my house, or go to the hospital and the beach is 2 and a half hours away and I went there for a day.” How my perspective on driving has changed since moving to the South….
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Hey, my family has made that 11 hour drive from deep South Jersey to Acadia national park lots of times; and I’d gladly make that 11 hour drive a hundred times again before I suffer through the overseas highway between Ft Lauderdale and Key West even one time. Once was more than enough for me, and it’s only about a third of the distance. I don’t know why exactly I remember it being so bad, but we were unusually miserable on that ride.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 10, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably because unless it was December, it was about 90 degrees and 95% humidity.
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by The Dark on Oct 11, 2011 12:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Man there are a lot of day games on today, I guess that’s what happens when it’s a holiday Monday in both countries…
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 10, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, I can give you guys a pass on that, this time haha…
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by Mitchell Green on Oct 10, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
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