Stefan Legein traded to Kings as Flyers clear Sean Couturier Space under contract limit

by Travis Hughes on Oct 12, 2011 3:49 PM EDT in Philadelphia Flyers News

Stefan Legein has been traded to the Los Angeles Kings, along with a sixth round pick, in exchange for those always-confusing "future considerations."

At this point in his Flyers career, Legein has just about zero value to the organization, and he's probably the one player with a contract that made the most sense to get rid of. He has plenty of skill but can't seem to put it all together, and at one point with the Phantoms last year he was sent to the ECHL, basically to be taught a lesson.

Now, the Flyers are at 49 contracts (with the contract of Marcel Noebels sliding to next season). When Sean Couturier plays in his 10th game with the club, he'll lose a year of his entry-level contract, and when he plays his 11th game with the club, he'll count against that contract limit.

The Flyers want to keep Couturier here all year. That's clearly happening now.

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I’m sad that this post didn’t compare the trade to other noted moves like Kirk Hinrich plus the 17th overall pick in the draft for a future second round pick, or Ken Krahenbuhl for ten pounds of catfish.

The trade doesn’t really bother me, but the Flyers really should’ve been able to get some catfish out of the deal.

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by Eric T. on Oct 12, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions

Cam Neely and a first round pick for Barry Pederson?

Bob.

by The Dark on Oct 12, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Forgive me being Johnny-Come-Lately (I know you have all been talking about this a lot), but is it likely the organization will be able to keep Couturier on the Flyers, as far as the cap?

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by Henry al-Sirat on Oct 12, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

Yup. They already have cap space for him — otherwise he couldn’t have been on the team for the last two games. The concern was about fitting him in under the 50-contract limit after his 10(ish) game exception expired, and now they’ve traded someone away to make room for that.

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by Eric T. on Oct 12, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Makes sense. What was the final word on Shelley counting against the cap while on suspension? Will his salary come into play after he is done serving his time?

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by Henry al-Sirat on Oct 12, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions

He counts while suspended and will continue to count after the suspension unless he gets sent to the AHL.

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by Eric T. on Oct 12, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions

How do we know that for sure? This is Holmgren. He could just be making room to claim Eric Nystrom on reentry waivers from the Wild.

by mtitanic on Oct 12, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions

give the guy a little credit at least we didn’t trade Hartnell fror a 5th.

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by Mattx on Oct 13, 2011 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, he could have repeated his Gagne trade. Give him credit for not doing that again.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 13, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions

I thought they played decent tonight Geoff. What you thing maybe a little slopy but that was a very good team. I think Luongo might be slowing down.

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by Mattx on Oct 13, 2011 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions

Ok, well, this has nothing to do with my witty reply of “at least we didn’t trade ~~Hartnell~~ Gagne for a ~~5th~~ 4th and a negative asset”, give him some credit.

Luongo isn’t slowing down at all.

here are his October numbers the past four seasons: .903, .902, .902 & .907. Last year he was .907 at the end of October and went on to post a .928 for the season.

How do I explain that? I don’t. But it’s certainly not Luongo sucking, or slowing down, or no longer being an elite goalie, or anything else.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 13, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions

They already have cap space for him — otherwise he couldn’t have been on the team for the last two games.

Now I’m embarrassed. This should have been obvious.

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by hintzy64 on Oct 12, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions

The cap’s been confusing, what with Shelley’s secret rules and Schenn’s disappearing bonuses. No worries.

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by Eric T. on Oct 12, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Wasn’t Legein what the Flyers ended up getting from the Kings as “future considerations” for Jeremy Roenick?

I think they got a 2nd rd. pick from LA in 2006 which the Flyers used to pick Mike Ratchuk, who they traded to Columbus for Legein. Now Legein goes to the Kings for future considerations.

Full circle I guess… Or not.

by MCilBB on Oct 12, 2011 4:02 PM EDT reply actions

Legein was a 2nd round pick of the Blue Jackets in 2007. He retired, then unretired, then got traded to the Flyers for Ratchuk, drafted by the Flyers in the 2nd round in ’06.
Essentially we traded Roenick years ago in exchange for future considerations starting today that will be worth as much as Legein. Just another salary dump/ draft bust, or something.

by mtitanic on Oct 12, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions

If Bob had trouble with the longer season then what about…nah nevermind

by Hans S on Oct 12, 2011 4:08 PM EDT reply actions

So basically if I understand this correctly,

….Homer had painted himslef into a corner where he was going to have to lose a prospect, but was successfully able to that dodge that bullet and resolved the issue by a instead losing a draft pick AND a prospect?

by Andydohert on Oct 12, 2011 4:15 PM EDT reply actions

That’s correct if you still count Legein as a prospect.

I think they could’ve traded an actual prospect for nothing, but Legein has so little value that they had to include a draft pick to get someone to take him.

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by Eric T. on Oct 12, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions

Today is the day of ridiculous trades, apparently.

Eric Nystrom was on re-entry waivers, but Dallas couldn’t claim him there because half of his cap hit wouldn’t get them to the floor — they had to trade for him so they could pay his full salary.

This is why it’s ridiculous that their cap situation was beholden to what the Rangers did with Avery. The 1.9M hit that was on Dallas’ cap should’ve stayed there regardless of what the Rangers did.

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by Eric T. on Oct 12, 2011 4:22 PM EDT reply actions

That is interesting about Avery. I didn’t know that if a player who was claimed on re-entry waivers was waived and sent down, their cap hit on the original team disappears.

Now if the Rangers call him back up, do the Stars get that cap hit back, or does it disappear entirely? And what will the cap-hit be on the Rangers if he clears re-entry waivers? I guess this question is for DG if nobody else knows.

Had I known that the cap hit would disappear, i would have campaigned for LA to waive Randy Jones when Homer decided to give him away.

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by Lindbergh 31 on Oct 12, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Now if the Rangers call him back up, do the Stars get that cap hit back, or does it disappear entirely?

I’ve asked this same question. It seems sort of unfair that they have to stay 1.9M above the floor just in case he gets waived and 1.9M below the cap just in case he gets called up, but that might be the case.

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by Eric T. on Oct 12, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree. It’d be totally unfair for a team to have to worry about it.

My best guess is that the cap hit is gone from the Stars forever, since if Avery is claimed on re-entry waivers if the Rangers call him up again, I think the Rangers and that other team will split the cap hit.

However if this is a way to make a cap hit disappear from a re-entry claim, I think we have now discovered a new way of cap circumvention which will require the help of another team.

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by Lindbergh 31 on Oct 12, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions

However if this is a way to make a cap hit disappear from a re-entry claim, I think we have now discovered a new way of cap circumvention which will require the help of another team.

This. Somehow, this should be added to the “waive Shelley” imperative.

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by Bud in TN on Oct 12, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions

At this point in his Flyers career, Legein has just about zero value to the organization, and he’s probably the one player with a contract that made the most sense to get rid of.

Agreed. And now I feel silly for only thinking about people on the Flyers roster when looking for ways to shed contracts.

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by hintzy64 on Oct 12, 2011 4:25 PM EDT reply actions

Still not sure how I feel about Couturier staying up with the Flyers all season.

And what about Schenn? Is he stuck in the AHL now?

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by Mitchell Green on Oct 12, 2011 4:34 PM EDT reply actions

I would imagine Schenn would be up in the NHL after Shelley’s suspension is over. The bigger question is who do they move over to the wing?

by youtastelikeaburger on Oct 12, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Schenn’s cap hit doesn’t fit right now, but they could squeeze him in if they wanted to. For example, they could replace Walker and Shelley with Gustafsson and Schenn.

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by Eric T. on Oct 12, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions

14 forwards, no need to replace Shelley, per se. And I think they could actually get away with sending Walker and Rinaldo down, as well, but they’d be right up against their LTIR limit.

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by Snevik on Oct 12, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions

I’m not sure what you’re saying.

If they send Walker down, they need to call up a 7th D — since Bartulis would require re-entry waivers, I’m assuming it would be Gustafsson. That wouldn’t leave them room to call up Schenn as a 14th forward, but it would make enough room that they could replace Shelley with Schenn as the 13th forward on the roster.

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by Eric T. on Oct 12, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Sorry for butting in but if Couter plays past he 10th game can he go back and forth from the AHL? If they call Schenn back up is also eligible to go back and forth? The point is maybe between the two youngsters they could move them back and forth getting NHL experience without killing them over a whole season.

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by MJDII on Oct 12, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Nope, Couturier can’t go to the AHL no matter what. If he plays past the 10th game, his ELC starts, but he still goes to juniors when he’s not in the NHL.

Schenn can go back and forth though.

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by Eric T. on Oct 12, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Would it be crazy to maybe alternate these guys in like ten game stints so as to not wear them out while tasting the pro for the first year? I mean if they go lights out forget about it but as soon as they start to drag, which I believe is inevitable give them a break.

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by MJDII on Oct 12, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions

You’d sit one of Couturier or Schenn in the press box and play Rinaldo or Shelley instead?

I suppose that’s not crazy.

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by Snevik on Oct 12, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions

I think, and much to your dismay I am sure, one of Shelley or Rinaldo is playing regardless.

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by MJDII on Oct 12, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Forgot they don’t have any forwards in the press box until Shelley is back. Either way, don’t the numbers work out that either Rinaldo or Shelley could be sent down?

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by Snevik on Oct 12, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions

I know I have something wrong here, but I can’t figure out what.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jaromir Jagr ($3.300m)
Jakub Voracek ($2.250m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Andreas Nodl ($0.845m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)
Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Jody Shelley ($1.100m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Matt Walker ($1.700m)
/ Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,960,873; BONUSES: $1,300,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): -$660,873

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by Eric T. on Oct 12, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions

I had a Betts problem. Let’s assume he goes on LTIR?

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by Snevik on Oct 12, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions

But something’s wrong with mine — I’m over the cap with Betts on regular IR, with Lappy removed from the roster. Even with Betts gone, I only have 39k of cap space, which I don’t think is right, since Lappy wasn’t on LTIR until Betts came back.

I can’t figure out where the problem is though.

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by Eric T. on Oct 12, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh, hahaha, they have JvR at 4.25M. Jerks.

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by Eric T. on Oct 12, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Just realized it’s a ‘12-13 calculator. What the heck, what if I want to calculate this year’s cap? Le sigh.

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by Eric T. on Oct 12, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions

I noticed that on their site, too. (You didn’t get suspicious when you had to add Voracek, Jagr, et al?) I’m just working from the salary chart.

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by Snevik on Oct 12, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions

I thought “jeez, why did their roster get all screwed up, oh well, I’ll just add them back in.”

It took until I noticed JvR’s salary for me to realize that it was decidedly wrong, not just cosmetically different.

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by Eric T. on Oct 12, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions

OK, converting it to this year’s numbers:

That team has a 64.961M payroll.

Add in the Flyers’ 1.405M bonus overage penalty. Replace JvR’s 4.25M with 1.654M and you get to 63.77M. So a little over 500k in ~~cap space~~ available LTIR exception.

If/when Betts gets traded or waived, that goes to 1.2M of money to spend. That makes me think they can probably replace Rinaldo with Schenn (depending on what Schenn’s exact amount of unattainable bonus is — there were two different reports), and can definitely replace any other forward with Schenn.

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by Eric T. on Oct 12, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Maybe this is the future considerations

They waive Bartulis. LA claims him. Then sends him back to the Flyers for more future considerations.

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by Bud in TN on Oct 12, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Sorry, that should be “put Bartulis on re-entry waivers” The above was technically correct, but confusing.

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by Bud in TN on Oct 12, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions

I kinda doubt Bartulis for 300k will make it through 18 other teams.

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by Snevik on Oct 12, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions

They would have to free up cap room. 519k of LTIR allowance left. Walker would have to go down, because neither Shelley nor Rinaldo would be enough alone.

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by Snevik on Oct 12, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions

I wonder why Sean C. is ready for the NHL but Schenn isn’t? Or is Schenn merely in the AHL because of costs?

IIRC Schenn’s cap hit goes down quite a bit if he plays in the AHL for 10 games or something. Do they plan to call up him then, and if so, what other moves must the Flyers make?

by J. Wil on Oct 12, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Cost is certainly a reason he’s down. We’re assuming it’s the main/only reason.

Word was that Schenn would have needed all 82 games to meet one of his bonuses. It makes sense to wait for Shelley to come back from suspension to make any personnel moves, since he can’t be waived or serve as the 13th forward until he’s allowed back.

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by Snevik on Oct 12, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Great News!

The Flyers want to keep Couturier here all year. That’s clearly happening now.

This is great to hear. I love the fact that this kid is stepping right in and playing important minutes.

by The Reddgie on Oct 12, 2011 5:30 PM EDT reply actions

I am a little upset

I was going to go see him play the Halifax Mooseheads this friday when his CHL team Drummondville came to town. Now i have to wait for Hyka and hope that the flyers take him in next years draft…

by maritimebronco on Oct 12, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions

I really like Couturier

And I’m not happy. I think a full season could hamper his development and along with that if either he or Schenn are forced to move on the wing the Flyers lose long-term

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 12, 2011 6:22 PM EDT reply actions

Wouldn’t another season at Drummondville hamper his development?

I mean he pretty much has nothing else to prove in that league.

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by PhilliePhan24 on Oct 12, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions

World Juniors, improve his skating? It’s not about proving you’re good. Look at Brayden Schenn.

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 12, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree with you completely… except for the moving to wing part…

Only because Gagne was drafted up as a Center. So I always see a C → W move as possibly a good thing if it happens to the right player.

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by 02h32m01s on Oct 12, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions

it's all going according to my plan!!!

just as i had inquired months ago… effects of Couturier on the NHL team are awesome.
he wins some face-offs. goes where he’s supposed to. gets offensive chances. knows what to do. works the PK like a mike richards…

i’m looking forward to watching him play against some talent.

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