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OTTAWA, CANADA - OCTOBER 18:  Sean Couturier #14 of the Philadelphia Flyers celebrates his first ever NHL goal in a game against the Ottawa Senators at Scotiabank Place on October 18, 2011 in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.  (Photo by Phillip MacCallum/Getty Images)

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I’m hopeful, though not at all convinced, that Zolny’s play bumps Shelley off the team now that Shelley’s suspension is up. Personally, a Zolny/Talbot/Nodl line sounds very intriguing to me.

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by TNBrando on Oct 19, 2011 7:00 AM EDT reply actions  

In a perfect world:
You roll 12 skaters, 6 dmen, and Rinaldo as your 13th. Keep Special Ed on a short-leash and when/if he does something stupid put in Harry for a couple of games

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 19, 2011 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm .. SpEd is much quicker to type than BSC … you may have a new nickname for Rinaldo in the works there.

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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 19, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

instead of just voicing my disdain for him, I just call him that

And I will give him this, he stayed out of the negative spot-light last night, so I’d let him play a couple of more games. Short leash that gradually extends as long as he doesn’t do anything stupid

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 19, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

BSC is shorter than SpEd as abbreviations go, though.

And I’m thinking that some people might take offense to calling him “Special Ed”

"Simba needs to sharpen his claws" - Ilya Bryzgalov, on Scott Hartnell

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by Chemistry66 on Oct 19, 2011 10:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Chem, why are you never online anymore? Last night I was looking to give a smartass response to your comment on AIM, and you were no where to be found. Just diappointing really. Then I forgot all about it and went back to cheering.

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by Pardini36 on Oct 19, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just don’t use AIM anymore.

"Simba needs to sharpen his claws" - Ilya Bryzgalov, on Scott Hartnell

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by Chemistry66 on Oct 19, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

sniff

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by Pardini36 on Oct 19, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Bulin wall with the save!

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 19, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Zolny made one good play he didn’t really stand out over the course of the game as a must start NHLer.

by chrislanci on Oct 19, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

No. According to certain individuals, a 4th liner is expected to simply not suck and be unnoticed. Harry Z accomplished both of these

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 19, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can always tell a Millford man. Neither seen nor heard.

The velociraptor was offended when you used the word "fossil" as a derogatory term to describe that older player. "A 'fossil'?! MY MOTHER IS A FOSSIL." You jerk.

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by LeepinLizardz on Oct 19, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Oct 23, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was also rolling on the 4th line with Talbot and Rinaldo… hard to stand out much there if your looking for “plays.”

My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.

by 02h32m01s on Oct 19, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am not saying he played poorly I just wouldn’t jump to the Zolny must be in the lineup from now on. 4th liners are role players I am not sure Zolny can be that type of player. Does he play the PK etc…

by chrislanci on Oct 19, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m almost certain he has PK experience in the pre-season. Neither Rinaldo nor Shelly do. So I would say either roll 4 “good” lines with him-Talbot-Nodl, and move Read off the PK because he is doing so well offensively… or its down to Harry Z/Nodl if you insist on a “fighter” and then I take Nodl.

My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.

by 02h32m01s on Oct 19, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. What I take from this is that we may have another forward capable of playing around the level of the NHL/AHL bubble. I don’t think he moves up the depth chart, or even if I’d rather have from as a 13th than Shelley or Rinaldo yet (cap hit aside).

Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."

by Snevik on Oct 19, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

There should be a whole story on how awful Walker was last night.

by JpH89 on Oct 19, 2011 7:16 AM EDT reply actions  

He was horrible indeed. I will not miss him.

by Flyers on Oct 19, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whut d’ya mean? He had two fights! And another six minutes worth of minor penalties! PERFECT for the team that insists on carrying Shelley and Rinaldo.

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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 19, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and I forgot the giveaway that led directly to Ottawa’s first goal. Can’t forget that.

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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 19, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Walker and a 7th to Ottawa for Filatov?

by mtitanic on Oct 19, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even Homer wouldn’t make that trade. We’d be getting ripped!

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by Pardini36 on Oct 19, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lavy would bench him for Shelley.

by JpH89 on Oct 19, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jamie Benn’s goal is freakin awesome!

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by f2yers8 on Oct 19, 2011 7:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Meh, I view that as more Columbus fail than Jamie Benn win.

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by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

mine as well say hello to your new Hamilton Mounties

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 19, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

but he capitalized on that. Richie’s goal against the Habs was fail on their part too.

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by f2yers8 on Oct 19, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure what one has to do with the other as far as my opinion goes, but I’ll play along anyway. It’s really not the same type of fail, Richards beat Hamrlik and Halak to the puck then poked it past them got up and scored; there was no point that play should have been over. I guess Halak could have stayed in the net, but then Richards still has a chance at a break away assuming he uses his body correctly to shield Hamrlik off. Once Benn loses control of the puck off the half wall due to Brassard stripping him of it, the play should be over, and it takes a complete fail by the last defender Johnson for him to regain control of the puck.

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by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

The defense was porous. Next question

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 19, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I saw the headline and was all pumped up, and basically just saw 4 guys that couldn’t find the puck, with a nice shot to end it.

I'm kind of a dick.

by Vansteel on Oct 19, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t matter. My fantasy team benefits from his goal just the same.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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by hintzy64 on Oct 23, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

We don’t micromanage trash talk

Gotta give credit where credit is due: Bettman handled that situation beautifully, and I’m not just saying that because it had to do with a Flyer

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 19, 2011 8:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Poor Columbus.

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 19, 2011 8:43 AM EDT reply actions  

+1. They did pick up guys in the off season you would expect to have a much more positive impact than this. They look totally lost. Now poor Carter too.

Thanks a lot Select-A-Seat! Now I'm in 122!

"Some might give head coach Dave Tippett and general manager Don Maloney plenty of credit for guiding the Coyotes to two straight playoff berths amid franchise foibles – and they deserve much of it – but Bryzgalov was far and away the team’s most valuable player." - NBC Sports

Anyone who wanted Vokoun is clueless.

by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 19, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

With Carter suffering a foot fracture, I’m a little afraid he might be eaten by a lion. Or a tiger. Or a bear. Ohio is apparently a dangerous place.
http://news.yahoo.com/police-seek-escaped-exotic-animals-ohio-083936950.html

by mtitanic on Oct 19, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some random thoughts for so far this season:

The rookies look good early on. I fear “The Wall” however.

I’ve advocated having Jagr with Briere instead of G, simply because of more favorable zone stats and somewhat fewer minutes for those two. I’m advocating it still. I feel like a JVR/Giroux/Vorachek line would be extremely potent as well.

Kimmo Timonen is a ferocious beast. The extra time off between this season and last, while lamentable, seems to have served him well.

That is all.

Often wrong, but never in doubt.

by A Flyers Phamily on Oct 19, 2011 8:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Jagr is creating tons of space for Giroux. I would not touch that line. Giroux is our best player the more space he gets the better. With all the PP time Jagr is getting 4:25 per game I can understand spotting another winger up there like maybe Hartnell one or two couple of shifts per game to give Jagr a little bit of a rest after the PP. Especially since JVR doesn’t play on that same PP unit as Giroux and Jagr.

by chrislanci on Oct 19, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

From what I’ve seen Jagr may have been getting a bit more attention when he was in the offensive zone, but I’m wondering if that’s based solely on his reputation. I’ve also noticed he’s starting to get banged around a bit more.
I may have to go hunting some stats; perhaps my eyes are deceiving me.

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by A Flyers Phamily on Oct 19, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree and I also agree that is a good think Jagr is still dangerous so they have to cover him but Giroux is wide open a lot and Jagr is also a hell of a passer. Giroux should have had 2 goals last night he had a wide open shot from the slot hit the goalie right in the chest.

by chrislanci on Oct 19, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thursday night is going to be fun. What a great game this early in the season.

Thanks a lot Select-A-Seat! Now I'm in 122!

"Some might give head coach Dave Tippett and general manager Don Maloney plenty of credit for guiding the Coyotes to two straight playoff berths amid franchise foibles – and they deserve much of it – but Bryzgalov was far and away the team’s most valuable player." - NBC Sports

Anyone who wanted Vokoun is clueless.

by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 19, 2011 9:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Well done by DGB, though no LaRussa jokes. There’s gotta be a NHL LaRussa -esque over managing coach who makes utterly meaningless moves which have the statistical significance of a fart that some people will still insist, smells like ambrosia.

by j reed on Oct 19, 2011 9:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Lavi?

"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
His Name is Mudd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo-WjUjzV_Q
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by boknows71 on Oct 19, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps with the goalies in last year’s play-offs. But normally he’s more of “stick with my guys” Manuel type unless your name is Zherdev.

by j reed on Oct 19, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also is quite capable of grinding players into ground much like Chuckles.

by j reed on Oct 19, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stutes and Bastardo would raise their arms in agreement but they can’t.

"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
His Name is Mudd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo-WjUjzV_Q
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by boknows71 on Oct 19, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

hahahaha

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by JLS89 on Oct 19, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is what I was referencing.

"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
His Name is Mudd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo-WjUjzV_Q
@boknows71

by boknows71 on Oct 19, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are there any NHL coaches who look like trolls?

"Simba needs to sharpen his claws" - Ilya Bryzgalov, on Scott Hartnell

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by Chemistry66 on Oct 19, 2011 9:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Pat Quinn

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 19, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

World Series: For the second straight year, the Texas Rangers have won their first two playoff rounds under the leadership of popular manager Ron Washington.
NHL: Nobody with “Washington” on their jersey ever wins two playoff rounds in the same season.

One of my favorites along with the foul pole and goal post paragraph!

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by JLS89 on Oct 19, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oops… didn’t see that mtitanic beat me to it

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by JLS89 on Oct 19, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

DGB:

World Series: Both hands with palms down waved across the front of the body is the signal that a runner has been called safe by the umpire.
NHL: Both hands with palms down waved across the front of the body is the signal that’s it was a bad idea to try to fight Arron Asham.

by mtitanic on Oct 19, 2011 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Most of it was gold...

But this part made me crack up:

World Series: The Rangers have a legitimate chance to win the championship!
NHL: Not so much.

"Simba needs to sharpen his claws" - Ilya Bryzgalov, on Scott Hartnell

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by Chemistry66 on Oct 19, 2011 10:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

so what does everyone think of homer now? I think genius who plays at my heartstrings…yes it’s small sample and yes i’m going to allow myself to get caught up in it, I have that right!

by my pal mal 16 on Oct 19, 2011 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Same as before

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by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

the sample is is smaller than small.

by j reed on Oct 19, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

blind squirrels and nuts
broken clock
etc

That being said, an idiot occasionally wins a championship

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 19, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

What do you mean?

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by boknows71 on Oct 19, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Lets wait and see after Thursday and 20 games in. But I like the attitude of the team. They came out and smashed lesser competition instead of playing down to it like last year. There were some many slow starts were the team just didn’t seem up to the game. How many times did we hear that. This year the Flyers have scored 11 1st period goals. Last year the 1st period was the lowest scoring period for the Flyers.

by chrislanci on Oct 19, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Homer is a pretty talented evaluator of young talent, who is moderately constrained by the rest of the FO. He was especially forced this season by the owner’s admonition to get the world-class goalie regardless of cost. But I do believe that he saw the growth of G and recognized that having four top-flight centers was not a sustainable way to run a team (G, Briere, Carter, Richards) and that something had to give. He pared that list to two active and two prospective top-flight centers (with the addition of Couturier and Schenn), and added several good wingers in the process – an area that the team has been lacking significantly for a few years. I am definitely surprised at how quickly and well some of the new players have done; Simmonds and Read especially. I am also interested to see what happens when (if) Briere and Hartnell get their acts together. SO – in short, I think Holmgren did a very good job overall and within the constraints he was given. We may second-guess him, we may argue that one particular move was questionable. But there’s no doubt even after just a few games that he has put together a serviceable NHL team that has potential to do well … and that is all one can ask.

Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!

by MaximumTalbot on Oct 19, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

evaluator of young talent,

who views the cap as a hurdle to be overcome than a constraint to be considered.
/repeating self

But the first part of Homer seems to certainly be coming true. Right now, the Carter trade in particular looks to be a win, along with the Read pickup. However, based on last night’s performance by our least favorite D-man, the Gagne trade (a direct result of the second part of Homer) looks to be even worse (who knew that was even possible).

Astaire and Rogers, G and Jagr
Hunter Pence did not guarantee a WS, but, then, neither did Carlos Beltran.

by Bud in TN on Oct 19, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, are we viewing this in a Bubble? Shouldn’t it be graded in context of other GMs? I can think of 3 GMs within a 7 hour drive that have done a better job than Homer in the past 2 years.

McPhee by a mile this offseason.
Chicharelli pisses me off on how good he’s been.
And I would say Shero and Homer are close. Outside of my Bias Shero’s ahead.

Lou would probably be on this list too if I didn’t hate the Devils so much. (plus Kovalololol)

My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.

by 02h32m01s on Oct 19, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shero is close? Look at that lineup he’s done without Crosby. And hasn’t had to use LTIR to do it.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 19, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I /did/ say that removing my Peguin/Shero bias he’s ahead…

My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.

by 02h32m01s on Oct 19, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed – it is sometimes like the consequences are lost until the eventuality is upon him. Probably a rotten chess player.

Frankly, I think that my evaluation makes him a great head of player development, or AHL coach – but GM might be one step too far.

Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!

by MaximumTalbot on Oct 19, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still miss Richards.

BUT I have to say I’m excited by the team we are icing right now.

Like others have said, lets wait 20 games and see where we are.

by CSneer on Oct 19, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, NHL Network games get blacked out on Game Center Live, right?

Mr. Corsi Fenwick, you confuse the hell outta me.

by zachtbhood on Oct 19, 2011 10:28 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

It does not air those games. That is considered local blackouts. It is annoying as hell.

by CSneer on Oct 19, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sonofabitch. Looks like Il be hunting down a stream Thursday night…

Mr. Corsi Fenwick, you confuse the hell outta me.

by zachtbhood on Oct 19, 2011 11:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

For Don

Nodl doesn’t play and the team scores 7 goals coincidence.

Also Talbot 1 Nodl 0.

by chrislanci on Oct 19, 2011 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

For Chris

Didn’t you see Geoff’s posts yesterday with records against teams people considered sub-par. You should probably correct yourself before he stops by again.

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by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lighten up I obviously just pushing your buttons. And I missed that post but if you are getting out the Flyers did WIN the majority of their games against “subpar” competition I know that.

by chrislanci on Oct 19, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lighten up, I’m giving you shit.

And if you know that, how do they play down to lesser competition? You know what, I don’t even want to go down that rabbit hole with you, I’ll just justify it by, “Lanci loves his narratives” and leave it at that.

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by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

get em Don

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 19, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here is one example of Lavy after 2-1 lose to CLB October 25th

“It’s completely frustrating,” he said, staring straight ahead. “We got exactly what we deserved tonight. You don’t show up to compete, you don’t execute, you don’t play the game with energy and emotion, you’re going to lose all the time.”

Here Lavy after 2-1 win against the NYI Dec 5th

“It was one of those games that could put you to sleep,” Flyers coach Peter Laviolette said. “We didn’t wake up until about seven minutes into the third period.”

Here Lavy after SO lose to the Devils Nov 27th

“We progressed and got better as the game went on,” Flyers coach Peter Laviolette said. “We fought for a point in the third period. Hedberg was pretty good, but our guy was too.”

by chrislanci on Oct 19, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, 3 examples of a team not playing well over the course of an 82 game season. No matter the team, or the drive of that team, or emotion, or whatever, there will be off games over a large enough sampling of games. It happens. If you want to take those and turn those in to what ever you want to believe that’s fine, I’m just a bit more cut and drive and realistic. Like I said, you love your narratives.

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by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I selected games in the beginning of the season. And I don’t have time to put together a fucking full page well research story just to prove a point to you. I don’t get paid for this.

But against the bottom 4 teams in the East last season. OTTAWA, ATLANTA, NYI, and FLA

The Flyers were 12-5-1 GF/GA 64 – 46

If you take out the Islanders The Flyers were only 6-5-1 GF/GA 38-34 not very impressive against those 3 teams.

Also 3 of their wins against the Islanders were 1 goal games.

by chrislanci on Oct 19, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you know how well they played in any of those games? A one goal game doesn’t mean they played a bad game, or played down, it mean they only ended up with 1 more goal than the other team. If they did have a bad game, was it part of a back to back, was it bad because they took a lot of penalties, were there missing key players, etc. Did an opposing goalie steal one? Did the Flyers goalie lose one? Did the Flyers dominate the game only to not have the score reflect any good play? At the end of the day if you want to believe that team didn’t play well against the bottom dwellers, you are going to believe it.

I’ve already said I don’t care, so feel free not to look anything up.

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by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Psst, what Don keeps trying to tell you is that yesterday Geoff already looked up the records for you. All you have to do is read his comment.

Also, taking out the Islanders is pretty weak. You don’t get to just remove the data points that work against your intended narrative. At the very least, change your narrative to “the Flyers don’t get up for non-division games against weak opponents”.

by Eric T. on Oct 19, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will look at the BSH recaps and see what was said by the guys after those games.

Also PITT was 15-2-1 against those 4 teams. Making up 6 points against those opponents.

by chrislanci on Oct 19, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also PITT was 15-2-1 against those 4 teams. Making up 6 points against those opponents.

So I get that you’re moving the goalposts now, but want to make sure I understand where you’re moving them to. Is your point that the Flyers should be 15-2-1 against those teams too, and going 12-5-1 is a sign of playing badly against weak competition, or is your point that even though the Flyers played well and went 12-5-1, they still lost ground because Pittsburgh was outstanding in those games?

Also, why not include Toronto, against whom the Flyers went 3-1 and Pittsburgh went 2-1-1? Why not include the sub-.500 western conference teams, against whom the Flyers went 3-1-1 and Pittsburgh went 3-2?

by Eric T. on Oct 19, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Winning and playing well are too different things. That is the point I would like to know based on my memory or selective perception they won a lot of those games without playing all that well especially at the start and the 1st periods. I have to due the research to find it out and the BSH recaps were Travis or would point this out as that is the most objective source of cap coverage I know of. I will put it together in a fan post or something I would will be objective and if the recaps prove my opinion wrong the Fanpost will reflect that. It is not about being right it is about getting it right.

by chrislanci on Oct 19, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s a lot more that goes in to getting it right, which is why I don’t care and don’t want you wasting your time.

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by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Save yourself the trouble:
1. I don’t care.
2. last year’s team is pretty damn similar to the team the year before, so then you’ll get asked for those 2.
3. Richards and Carter were the big changes, so you’ll be asked for every year against the worst X teams that particular year
4. I still won’t care.
5. I doubt you’ll do the research to pull all the context necessary, nor would I expect you to

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by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Due to an extensive investigation, I’ve come to the conclusion that Don doesn’t care. I could be wrong though

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 19, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Similar to the Chris Christie press conference. Don will you care in 2016?

by chrislanci on Oct 19, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

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by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

but what about the Chris Chelios press conference?

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by 02h32m01s on Oct 19, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

List me the subpar teams and I will go back to the recaps against those teams and find that narrative. The Flyers started slow is many games last season especially against the subpar teams and didn’t get there shit in gear until the 2nd period where the would turn the whole thing around. They were +31 in goal scoring in the 2nd period.

by chrislanci on Oct 19, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not your maid, and you could easily search yourself. But since I don’t have much faith in your competence since he was responding to you yesterday, here you go.

And clearly not having a wide scoring margin until the 2nd period clearly means a team doesn’t have their shit in gear in the first. Obviously. Hell you can insert any comment you want anywhere. The Flyers didn’t have a strong 2nd period last night: “yeah the team seems to lose focus with a lead, and become disinterested. Once Ottawa scored that 1st goal, that got going again, that was reassuring.” I mean it’s just BS answers to give the media something to write about. The fact is, every game isn’t going to be great. And what is sometimes perceived as a lack of effort might be the other team just simply executing better at times, who knows. We’ll all write whatever story lines we want in our heads. Mine is, they’re human beings, there will be an ebb and flow to every game and to every season.

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by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just want a list of what you would call subpar teams I don’t want to hear you bitching about my list. Then I would look it up.

by chrislanci on Oct 19, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

You had the list yesterday when Geoff responded to your comment with it! It was never my list, it was Geoff’s, I brought it up to give you shit because you said something similar yesterday to your comment today. I linked you to it again, but I already told you I don’t want to go down this damn rabbit hole with you because one, you’ll dig 12 different tunnels that go in obscure directions that had nothing to do with the beginning, and two, I don’t really care.

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by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

wouldn’t subpar be anything under a seasonal .500 rating? sub-below, par-average.

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by 02h32m01s on Oct 19, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

OMG, I really don’t care, “lesser competition” was used yesterday and today by Lanci, does that mean any team that finished with a record worse than the Flyers last year? I don’t want to argue semantics, I don’t even want to argue this, I said it as a joke because Lanci said the same thing yesterday, Geoff countered it, and Lanci never responded. People can write in whatever they want to in those situations.

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by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

hah… perhaps my mocking of the subject was a bit dry in that one, Don.

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by 02h32m01s on Oct 19, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

No I got it, but I don’t want Lanci taking anything and running with it. He is already talking fanpost, which will be a fairly large waste of his time, and I’m trying to save him that wasted effort.

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by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are a better man than me Don.

If a guy tells me he’s gonna build a snadcastle on the beach so strong he can live in it, you know I’m gonna sit back, watch, and laugh at the wasted effort.

…and also get a nice tan going.

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by 02h32m01s on Oct 19, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

My initial response was, “I hate you so much right now” but I changed it.

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by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it would be an interesting story if some actual reporter put it together it would be an interesting read.

by chrislanci on Oct 19, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting is different than proving something.

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by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don, are we ever playing golf?

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by Pardini36 on Oct 19, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe your playing golf right now…

…maybe this is the Matrix.

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by 02h32m01s on Oct 19, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

QUICK. CHECK FOR SPOONS.

"Simba needs to sharpen his claws" - Ilya Bryzgalov, on Scott Hartnell

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by Chemistry66 on Oct 19, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sunday, Glen Mills?

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by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I missed this story about Jagr yesterday:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=nc-cotsonika-jaromir_jagr_flyers_101811
I suppose Shelley will end up being among the top 6 forwards now, what with all this advice from Jagr.

by mtitanic on Oct 19, 2011 10:49 AM EDT reply actions  

regardless, its a good article. I missed it too, but it was enjoyable.

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by 02h32m01s on Oct 19, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jagr thus far

I think the caption for the Jagr article needs to be different. I don’t think the article is saying he has played poorly at all. Maybe I didn’t read it carefully enough…

Personally, I think Jagr has been outstanding. He is making moves that open up the ice for everyone. When he touches the puck he looks like a force to be reckoned with. I wasn’t excited when we signed him, but I’ve been converted.

by CSneer on Oct 19, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Its seems that when he first have the puck, nobody can take it from him along side the boards.

by Anders Jensen on Oct 19, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

The PD article about Rick Rypien was both interesting and sad. I agree that “brotherhood” is overlooked in the locker room but one of the most important aspects. Also, it’s sad when a tragedy occurs and that sparks change, but unfortunately it’s a recurring theme.

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by JLS89 on Oct 19, 2011 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

BPIH playing on Thursday? What kind of lineup do we end up with?

by hebrew hammer on Oct 19, 2011 11:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Former BPIH. He’s down to #3 now.

by Eric T. on Oct 19, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I feel lost suddenly… BPIH?

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by 02h32m01s on Oct 19, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

BEST PROSPECT IN HOCKEY OMGZZZ ZOMZGZ!!!

by Eric T. on Oct 19, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess technically that’s BPIHOZ

by Eric T. on Oct 19, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

is it bad that my mind immediatly now jumps to BestProspectInHockeysOffensiveZone?

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by 02h32m01s on Oct 19, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best Prospect In Hockey (Australian)?

Bob.

by The Dark on Oct 19, 2011 1:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

BSC and new Z were sent back to ADK and Schenn was recalled… per Twitter

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by JLS89 on Oct 19, 2011 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

everyone put him on your FH teams now! when in fear or in doubt run in circles scream and shout!

by my pal mal 16 on Oct 19, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well Harry-Z was shortlived
The Flyers have announced that they have recalled forward Brayden Schenn and loaned forwards Zac Rinaldo and Harry Zolnierczyk to the Phantoms

Very interesting.

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by PraiseMartyMoose on Oct 19, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Somewhere CCB just got his wings.

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by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

YOURE THE BEST AROUND, NO ONES EVER GONNA KEEP YOU DOWN

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 19, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just got that too. Crazy time!

Thanks a lot Select-A-Seat! Now I'm in 122!

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Anyone who wanted Vokoun is clueless.

by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 19, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh and Peanut Butter Shelley Time right? He’s off suspension which makes Rinaldo’s move easy.

Thanks a lot Select-A-Seat! Now I'm in 122!

"Some might give head coach Dave Tippett and general manager Don Maloney plenty of credit for guiding the Coyotes to two straight playoff berths amid franchise foibles – and they deserve much of it – but Bryzgalov was far and away the team’s most valuable player." - NBC Sports

Anyone who wanted Vokoun is clueless.

by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 19, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

in all seriousness, ask me if it was the right move to make

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 19, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am guess Talbot-Sean C.-Nodl as the 4th line. Shelly sits the bench. Hartnell-Schenn-Read ?

by chrislanci on Oct 19, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are the odds that Briere gets bumped to the wing so that both Cooter & Schenn can play center & get decent minutes?

And naturally, as I type this I get a text from the Skate Zone that says Cooter – Talbot – Nodl are skating as a line in practice.

by EC.Comedy on Oct 19, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eww. Cooter on the 4th line? And NOT as the center at least? I dunno that I like that.

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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 19, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no problem with Rinaldo getting sent down, but was it really pressing for Schenn to be brought up right now? Sure I know he was the center piece of the Richards trade, but 20-25 games in the AHL would not have hurt him.

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