Brayden Schenn to make debut tonight vs. Caps; Shelley scratched
by Travis Hughes on Oct 20, 2011 12:27 PM EDT
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Fresh from reports at the morning skate in Philadelphia this morning, Brayden Schenn will indeed make his season debut with the Flyers tonight when the Washington Capitals come to town. The lines were less than clear, but we know that Schenn will be in the lineup. We won't try to guess what line he's on at this point, either. Peter Laviolette has raised us better than that.
We also know that Andreas Nodl will return to the lineup, almost certainly on the fourth line, leaving Jody Shelley in the press box. Shelley is eligible to return to action this evening off of his five game suspension but won't be doing so just yet.
On defense, that wild and crazy Matt Walker experiment is over. He and his $1.7 million salary will return to the press box as Andreas Lilja returns to the sixth spot on the blueline. This is good news. Sort of.
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Whatever happens with the lineup we sure have a lot of forward depth right now. Encouraging for keeping people (and by people I mean Jagr) fresh for the long haul. I do hope Schenn doesn’t get 4th line minutes, I’m perfectly fine with Hartnell doing that for now to both lay the seeds of waiving his NTC and because he’s better in small doses.
this hartnell hating is uncalled for… stop drinking the Kool-Aid.
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by edesjardins37 on Oct 20, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not hating. He obviously has the talent to be a consistent 20 goal scorer. But he’s not great defensively, he’s slow, and he takes dumb penalties. The only reason I mention the NTC is because 4.2 for him is not a good deal on this Flyers team. Elsewhere it could be.
Hartnell has looked like he’s been declining in effectiveness the past few years and he doesn’t fit into the youth movement or the speed of the Flyers’ game. He gets dumb penalties, falls down, and doesn’t have much of a role anymore. I don’t see where he fits into the Flyers’ plans at all anymore, and I think it’s time for him to go. It’s not “drinking the Kool-Aid” it’s watching the game, our new system, our team speed, how Hartnell has struggled with it, and coming to conclusions.
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Hartnell has looked like he’s been declining in effectiveness the past few years
What has been declining?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 20, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s declining the past few years? The past three years were his highest point totals in his career. I think he’ll be just fine. He still has a role to play. Getting the opposition off of their game while chipping in 20+ goals.
Just because most of the teams forwards are on entry level contracts doesn’t mean he is grossly over paid.
Well, his stats clearly peaked in 2008-2009, i’d be surprised if he even breaks 50 points again, and at this point i’d be surprised if he even breaks 40 points with his role being greatly diminished. He’s been getting lazy, dumb penalties, hasn’t looked up to the speed of the rest of the team, and if his role is to be a 3rd or 4th liner playing 10 minutes a game, then he is absolutely grossly overpaid.
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Why don’t we give it a few more weeks before we write off the season. He could just as easily end up back on a line with Briere. You say he doesn’t fit with the youth movement, but he’s only 29. Two years ago he was a playoff hero. Last year he put in a solid season with 24G’s and 25A’s. Here we are 5 games in and you are ready to chase him out of town.
Well, his stats clearly peaked in 2008-2009
Agreed, but this looks more like an anomaly than a peak. His point total since the lockout went 48-39-43-60-44-49; I’d be hard-pressed to read anything into that other than the 60-point season being the exception.
Last year was his second-highest point total ever. That doesn’t scream “decline”.
He’s been getting lazy, dumb penalties
Last year was the lowest penalties-per-60 (1.1, after 1.5, 1.7, and 1.4 the first three years) and PIMs in his time with the Flyers. Again, this does not signal decline.
and if his role is to be a 3rd or 4th liner playing 10 minutes a game, then he is absolutely grossly overpaid.
Agreed, but dumping his salary doesn’t add much roster flexibility at this point. I’d have been fine with it in the off-season, when there were signings and trades to be made, but right now it’s a lot tougher.
Also, I’m curious to test whether your views on this matter are consistent. How did you feel about Meszaros getting paid $4M to play on the third pairing last year?
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Also, I’m curious to test whether your views on this matter are consistent. How did you feel about Meszaros getting paid $4M to play on the third pairing last year?
Oh! Oh! Let me answer that one! pleeeeeeease?
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Meszaros was our best defenseman last year, he wasn’t your typical 3rd line defenseman, he could be a 1st liner on half the teams in the NHL
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I’m assuming someone is gonna pull out some stats that swing this in a direction saying Mez was terrible or something
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Oh he wasn’t terrible, but he did face 2nd weakest competition on the team, and benefited from having the highest on ice team shooting % and save % (meaning he got the luckiest). So his +/- was hugely inflated because of those things, not that +/- is a good measure, but I’m assuming if you are calling him the best Dman on the Flyers you are probably pointing to that as a main reason.
But really I said uh oh because of the logic you used:
he wasn’t your typical 3rd line defenseman, he could be a 1st liner on half the teams in the NHLbut I’ll let Eric get to that one.
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I’m sure there are many many many stats to back it up but I had him as our 4th best defenseman only due to Pronger’s injury.
O’Donnel and Mesz were sheltered against the weakest competition possible, when Pronger went down he was carried by Carle and did not suffer from O’Donnel blowing out by the end of the season. And Kimmo/Coburn still protected him from ever having to face off against the Ovechkins/Crosby’s of the league.
Ashbee Award winner he was not. (even though he was)
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by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Hartnell isn’t a typical third/fourth line player, he could be a 1st liner on half the teams in the NHL.
How are your views even remotely consistent?
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Yes, his stats clearly peaked in 2008-09. It’s called a fluke season.
Since he was 23 years old, his points per game have been:
0.59
0.61
0.54
0.73
0.54
0.60
His production hasn’t dropped, his ice time has been between 15:43 and 16:36 per game every year in that stretch, outside of his “peak 2008-09” when he got 17:48.
But since nobody can prove whether or not Hartnell has been getting lazy or has looked up to speed with the rest of the team, nobody can tell you that your observation is wrong.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 20, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Scottie and Danny miss being on the same line together. The chemistry on that line was pretty darn good. I think they’ll adjust though. I’d have more faith in Scottie and Danny getting better through the season than some guys maintaining a fast start (not specifically any Flyer…just in general.) I’m just glad we’re starting out strong.
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 20, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it is just the chemistry, but whatever it is, it’s clear Hartnell looks like the odd man out right now in his current role and in the Flyers’ current roster situation. Not saying he NEEDS to be traded but I wouldn’t be opposed to it, if he’s gonna be a 3rd or 4th liner, i’d rather give those minutes to a guy like Zolniercyzk who looks like he could be a solid 3rd or 4th liner for cheap
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So. We should replace a player that has consistently produced for years with yet another unproven prospect with a lot of potential. On a team loaded with unproven talent. Don’t get me wrong. I’m excited about the current team, but I don’t think adding yet another rookie is the way to go.
So Hartnell isn’t off to a fast start. He has a couple of assists and is +4. I don’t think he’s dragging the team down. He took a bad penalty, but so have most of the other flyers. The sample size is just too small.
It could be worse. I hear Ville is getting 4th line time in Buffalo, and is already saying that he’s unhappy.
He is stealing $$$$. Makes the Shelley, Lilja signings look astute.
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Hunter Pence did not guarantee a WS, but, then, neither did Carlos Beltran.
Agreed, and Lindy Ruff isn’t helping by making him play center instead of wing. He isn’t suited for that.
Wow, didn’t know that was happening, has he ever even played C before?
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 20, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Before he came to the US he played C, but the Wings & Philly always had him playing on the wing. If they aren’t happy with the way he’s playing, and he says he’s more comfortable on the wing, maybe they should put him on the wing.
Ok, never knew his history that way, just always thought he was a wing. Guess that would be one reason he’s struggling.
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 20, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Problem is what made that line go was Leino
by Fran Galasso on Oct 20, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s a lot of hate for Hartnell emanating from that three-letter radio station. Today he was getting votes for sports personality you’ve grown to hate. Astounding, really.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
And part of that is by design, from Peter Laviolette, because Hartnell struggled in training camp.
“There’s only so many spots,” Laviolette said. “Based on what we saw in training camp, we had to have a starting point somewhere.”
“I understand that [he is frustrated]. But we had to begin somewhere.”
So the Head Coach of the Flyers, you know the guy with his name on the Stanley Cup (as a head coach) one more time than anyone who writes stuff on this blog, said those things about Hartnell but he can’t be right because the stats just don’t show it. Maybe if he paid more attention to Corsi or Fenwick he would know who to play and win a cup, oh never mind he already did that without any advanced statistics…who would have thought that was possible?
Your arguments are so inconsistent on one hand Ville Leino (who scored .65 pts/ game last year) isn’t worth 4.5 mil a year but Hartnell at 4.2 for .60 pts/ game is a deal? You don’t want Homer to overpay a goalie who is playing well and has consistently played well since the lockout, yet it is ok to overpay a guy who everyone was making fun of for not being able to skate last year, since he has been so consistent?
You talk about Hartnell hate yet the arrogant “those people that call WIP are idiots because they can’t figure out Corsi numbers hate is perfectly acceptable” (and before you go popping off about how I must be a WIP caller it is a little hard to do from Iraq).
Get over yourself already you write on a blog, you are no better or no worse than any other Flyers fan you are just different.
by Highaltitude784 on Oct 20, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Never did I say that anyone on WIP who called in was an “idiot” or anything of that nature. I didn’t make any argument about Leino or did I discuss Corsi or Fenwick once in anything I said. Don’t attribute the entire conversation to me.
My point was that people are quick to say they “hate” a player who isn’t producing right now. His contract is not his fault; if you hate anyone, hate Homer. I’m not fine with overpaying anyone relative to production and have said on numerous occasions that I wanted Vokoun last year over Bryz in the offseason, but whatever.
Laviolette’s words mean nothing to me at this point. Whether or not he’s won a SC doesn’t mean he isn’t someone who has or will make mistakes. His coaching in last year’s Bruins series, for instance, was less than stellar and cost us at least one game with lack of proper matchups (even with last line change!).
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Oh, and don’t you tell me to get over myself. You don’t know me and have never engaged in any conversation with me until now. I don’t know why I am the target of your misplaced anger.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Maybe if he paid more attention to Corsi or Fenwick he would know who to play
I don’t think people here are saying Laviolette’s usage of Hartnell is wrong. I may have missed a comment somewhere, but certainly the majority of the stats in this conversation have been about whether his play is declining, not about whether he should be on Briere’s line.
Your arguments are so inconsistent on one hand Ville Leino (who scored .65 pts/ game last year) isn’t worth 4.5 mil a year but Hartnell at 4.2 for .60 pts/ game is a deal?
I don’t think anyone here is saying Hartnell at 4.2 for 0.6 ppg is a deal. I think everyone here agrees he is overpaid.
You don’t want Homer to overpay a goalie who is playing well and has consistently played well since the lockout, yet it is ok to overpay a guy who everyone was making fun of for not being able to skate last year, since he has been so consistent?
Ignoring the fact that Bryzgalov did not play particularly well in ‘08-09, I think most of the people who are advocating for keeping Hartnell at this point are doing so because there isn’t anything obvious to do with the cap space. There’s a big difference between overpaying someone in June, when the money could be used to sign other free agents for less, and overpaying someone in October, when your roster is already more or less set.
You talk about Hartnell hate
I’ll leave this one untouched, because doubleh already addressed it.
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And to add to your point Eric, Lenio does not consistently have that number, and there are several post above that show Hartnell is at least consistent.
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 20, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, and nobody was arguing “it’s OK to overpay Hartnell because at least he’s consistent”. The whole consistency thing was to debunk the claim that Hartnell’s play has been declining for the last few years — it wasn’t to say that his pay is fair, or even that his consistency is beneficial, just that there’s nothing to suggest he’s a worse player now than two years ago.
Again, it’s clear that Highaltitude doesn’t understand what he’s arguing with. It’s good to try to understand what someone is saying before you get all pissed off and go on this long rant about how stupid they are for saying things that…you know…they aren’t actually saying.
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Yeah, as I said to HH below, I was typing a response when you both responded, was going to start with, “So Lavy hates Hartnell and has an evil plot against him?”
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 20, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
And as to the consistent thing, just meant you quoted him about the contract $$, and I was saying when you choose to pay a guy that much, at least make sure he’s able to play that good for more than a year, or has proven himself.
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 20, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
My FLYERROB siren just went off.
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by Snevik on Oct 20, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also, who the hell defends the majority of WIP callers? I mean, half the stuff that happens on the majority of those radio shows is done for drama or drumming up negativity.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Amen, don’t even bother to listen.
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 20, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Additionally
you are no better or no worse than any other Flyers fan you are just different.
I’m tired of this “subjective/objective” nonsense. I am reminded of the statement “you are entitled to your own opinion, but not entitled to your own facts.”
Some fans are better. I do consider myself better than most of those that call into radio station ranting about how much better the Cardinals lineup is than the Phillies (hint: it’s not) because I try to approach sports from a rational, thoughtful standpoint. It’s not arrogance; it’s confidence obtained through education.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I don’t know why I posted that in the string to you—it’s not really meant as a response to anything—but I just am frustrated by this “we’re all equal” shit and I wanted to start the conversation. Seemed as good a place as any.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
All good, lol. I was typing a response myself but you and Eric beat me to most of the points, so I just stopped. Really don’t think that guy is going to respond anyway.
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 20, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
“Better” is subjective. By definition. I mean, maybe one likes the Cards uniforms more – and that makes them “better”.
Just playing Devils advocate again. CERTAINLY not defending any WIP callers or other lower life forms.
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 20, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes better isn’t subjective when it ultimately means smarter or more well informed. Sometimes when a fan suggests “blow up the team” even though they just won a record number of games or ceremoniously dump a player for a bag of pucks because I don’t like him, he’s just an idiot.
We really seem to be in a “race to the bottom” in this country anymore. Everyone’s so proud of what they don’t know.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
By the way, the last time you went on one of these insulting rants about the arrogant stat nerds on this site (or at least the last time I remember), you got this comment in response:
Which is what us "stat nerds" have been saying all along. Hartnell for Bryz in a heartbeat. Carter for Bryz? No way.
I think perhaps you don’t fully understand what you’re arguing against. Nobody’s saying Hartnell is great value. Nobody would’ve been crying if he’d been moved in the off-season. But several people are saying there’s no great reason to move him now, that he’s a useful player who fits under the cap.
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I’m pretty sure I haven’t done enough to qualify as a stat nerd, despite my best efforts, but I still wouldn’t do Hartnell for Bryz. They was and continue to be better ways to spend that money than goaltending.
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Too much writing today. /memos
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Long as they weren’t TPS reports
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 20, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
At the time that statement was made, I was expecting:
Hartnell – Briere – Read
van Riemsdyk – Giroux – Carter
Versteeg – Richards – Nodl
Shelley – Betts – Powe
so losing Hartnell and replacing him with Testwuide or a Zherdev (coughJagrcough) type player while also getting Bryzgalov? I’d make that trade in a heartbeat (assuming it could be fit under the cap increase, which isn’t a guarantee).
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 20, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
This comment is just so full of angry man sitting on his porch waving a cane and yelling conspiracy theories at 5 year olds I have to rec it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 20, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s why I like you Geoff, never know what’s coming up next. You twitter TL tonight was gold, btw.
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 20, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, thanks. I was pretty angry tonight. Luckily, Eric emailed me this thread to entertain me during the third period.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 21, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Still waiting for highandmigh..I mean Highaltitude to respond
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 21, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry I could not reply to you in a timely manner…this whole deployed to war thing is really cutting into my internet time
I like the play on words you did there with my screen name, your wit is razor sharp, almost intimidatingly so.
I can see from your 7600+ comments on this site alone, that bloviating over the internet is really important to you so I will let you have it, you can be the winner. You really put me in my place.
In the end my opinion, your opinion, the guy on WIP’s opinion are all just that, unqualified opinion from people who have never and will never be involved in pro sports as more than a fan (or a blogger). Mine is different than yours and I have neither the time nor the inclination to defend it over the internet… at least not 7600 posts worth.
by Highaltitude784 on Oct 21, 2011 5:08 AM EDT up reply actions
True, but some of those opinions are well thought out, have information to back them up, and are on point; others, not so much.
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Thanks; for me and all the rest of us with our opinions.
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 21, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I was going to reply, but I won’t because it will make little difference what anyone posts, since your vast knowledge will inhibit anyone from imparting anything to you.
Thank you for your service. Next time you have a few minutes, maybe stop in and introduce your self so we know who you are.
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 21, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it’s sort of gone viral hasn’t it? Fan base was furious about tearing up the team in the summer and now we need to get rid of everyone who’s left to make room for the Flyer Youth. Maybe it’s two different groups of fans.
Hartnell doesn’t look less effective in the first five games than he did last year. I wouldn’t be surprised if the numbers show he’s falling less per minute. If I’m going to worry about the decline of anyone it’s #20. Why not clear some cap space there? /s
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 20, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe the #HartnellDown avg per game is right on with last year.
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 20, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
RIght. He’s at the peak of his career then.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 20, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Schenn could take 3rd line duties and move Couturier to 4th line + PK unit.
After 10 years, I still can't figure out how Jiri Dopita had a 4 goal game and disappeared.
I originally didn’t want to see that happen but it is beginning to make sense. Unless Schenn moves to LW on the 3rd line with Couturier at center and Read at the RW, the only other option is to put Couturier at 4th line C.
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An all-rookie checking line…good one. Try that out against an upper-echelon NHL team, see how far that gets you.
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It’s what the Flyers are planning on doing.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 20, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? Schenn, Couturier and Read?
Cripes.
That sounds like an invitation to get pummeled by a heavy forechecking squad (which the Caps are not, I should note).
I guess you could shelter the minutes, but then you’re running Briere out there for tough minutes…
Well, I’ve been wrong before, We’ll see how it goes.
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More like Giroux Jagr and JVR against the toughs then Couturier, Read, random against the second tough.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 20, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I still think the second-tier tough minutes are an awful lot to ask of a trio of rookies.
Again, we’ll see how it goes.
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Oh, we concur. Just laying it out there.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 20, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
How if the reports were right and i am not saying they are couturier was between nodl and talbot
by Fran Galasso on Oct 20, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a more recent report than I read, then. Last I read was Schenn, Couturier, and Read. But it was from Carchidi, so…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 20, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m perfectly fine with Hartnell doing that for now to both lay the seeds of waiving his NTC and because he’s better in small doses.
All of this discussion on Hartnell is sound and fury, signifying nothing.
If Homer is, as several of us think he is, an “acquirer of talent” and the cap is a “hurdle” to him, then there will be no Hartnell trade. To Homer, the cap is irrelevant until it must be overcome. There is no need on the current Flyers lineup/salary cap situation to overcome the cap. Homer would not get anything in return for Hartnell. There will be no trade.
And really, if the decision is between Hartnell and developing young talent. Homer will counter, we are developing enough young talent, I need a goal-scorer.
I actually think the decision is between keeping people like Betts and Hartnell. As much as I regret the Flyers dumping Betts, Hartnell clearly would score more goals (again, the cap amount is irrelevant since for 11-12, it has already been overcome).
One ironic part, as I’ve posted before: a team like Nashville might be interested in acquiring Hartnell at the trade deadline (not now). But unless (perish the thought) the Flyers are out of it at that point, there would be no chance of Homer trading Hartnell at that time.
Astaire and Rogers, G and Jagr
Hunter Pence did not guarantee a WS, but, then, neither did Carlos Beltran.
by Bud in TN on Oct 20, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
You know, one thing about rookies is that they almost never have a consistently productive rookie year. It’s great now that Read and Couturier are producing at a good or acceptable level. But when they struggle, you’ll be mightly glad to have Hartnell to take some shifts.
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seriously, i think hartnell has been played to expectations the past few years… he’s certainly keeping pace this year (over 2pts/60 so far). his PIMs are down (in a good way). he’s one of 3 big bodies that can crash the net along with JVR and Simmonds. His contract isn’t a problem since the flyers currently have the freedom to ice the team they desire.
his benefits are quite numerous… sure there’s other players getting paid the same amount on other teams that i’d prefer to have, but he’s on our team and he does a good job… no need to run him out of town.
other intangibles that come to mind are:
provides comic relief
chips up the opposing team’s defensive zone ice
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by edesjardins37 on Oct 20, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve been a Hartnell fan since day one, and my opinion hasn’t changed. He’s the perfect pest. He annoys the hell out of other teams to the point where they are focusing on him which opens up the ice for his linemates, and he scores 20+ goals a year in the process.
Which is good this year as he’s playing with Read, and can open up some space for the kid to operate.
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 20, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
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Hartnell is still sixth among forwards in ES minutes. Last year he was fourth/fifth. The year before that, he was fifth.
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by Chase W on Oct 20, 2011 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I am okay with this. That 4th line, though expensive, sure doesnt look half bad. Defensive play? Check. Grit? Check. Offense? Decentish.
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by zachtbhood on Oct 20, 2011 1:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I like this, although I’d move Briere to the centre and Schenn to the wing. Also lines are generally ‘fluid’ throughout a game so different personnel for different situations.
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Agreed, if someone has to move to wing it should be one of the younger kids.
by youtastelikeaburger on Oct 20, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Re: Briere, I think he’s a better candidate to play RW since he’s not very good at faceoffs and isn’t really responsible in his own end. Obviously Schenn has very little NHL experience, but he projects to be a much better all-around player than Briere so I’d at least give him a shot. There probably wouldn’t be much dropoff from one to the other in either department, and the line would most likely still receive protected minutes.
Just my $.02, though I’m elated Laviolette chose to dress the correct players given the current roster.
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Dude just won ~70% of his draws on Tuesday, and you say he’s not good at it?
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 20, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, go figure he’d base his opinion of Briere’s faceoff prowess on his career numbers rather than his last game. Craziness.
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I realize he’s wasn’t the best face off guy Flyers had, but with Riche and Carts and Betts gone, they’ve sucked at FO% so far. Danny’s about 50-60% for the (very short) season so far. Hopefully it keeps up.
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 20, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
But his career numbers suggest he won’t, that’s kind of the point. He’s 49.9% over his career including playoffs, and 49.5% as a Flyer. His most recent full sample year, including playoffs, is 48.5%. There is really nothing there to suggest he keeps up his success other than the hope he did something in the off season or he’ll sustain the anomaly. He did go 52.1% back in 2002/03 with over 1300 draws taken, so I guess there’s hope if you’re a glass half full kind of guy.
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I’m trying to be that guy, but in this early mixed up season of who’s playing with who and where does everybody fit, he’s your best FO guy at 56% according to my math, G is under 50%, Talbot is at 40% or so. Right now, I wouldn’t be letting someone else take FOs until they prove they can do it better. If Schenn ends up on his line and starts blowing though games at 60-70%, by all means, have the kid take them.
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 20, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Your math is wrong, just use NHL.com. Giroux is right at 50%. But regardless, I go by who has the better numbers for faceoffs in the NHL not who’s running hot currently (since I don’t get to run drills in practice with them). Unfortunately for the Flyers, that’s still Briere. Plus there is no qualcomp for faceoffs, which i wish there was haha.
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I got no skin in the game. Haven’t seen it, dunno if it’s good, but it’s out there.
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And if you go to NHL.com and add the numbers they have for G it averages to 47.something%, not 50, but who’s counting. And I understand that career wise he’s not the best, but at present if I am coaching and my team is sucking at FOs, I keep him there until the rookie I bring up proves he can do better.
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 20, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
And if you go to NHL.com and add the numbers they have for G it averages to 47.something%, not 50, but who’s counting.
I’m legitimately confused. What I see is 43 wins, 43 losses, 50.0%.
They break it down by ES, PP, SH, and they break it down by home and road, but you don’t have to add and/or average anything to find out he’s at 50%. How are you getting 47.x?
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Sorr, was averaging. Didn’t see win/lost listed, just the overall %. Is there a column I’m missing somewhere?
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 20, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Start from this page, if you weren’t already.
Then the columns are, in order:
Player
Team
Position
Games played
Even strength faceoffs won
Even strength faceoffs lost
Power play faceoffs won
Power play faceoffs lost
Shorthanded faceoffs won
Shorthanded faceoffs lost
Home faceoffs won
Home faceoffs lost
Home faceoff %
Road faceoffs won
Road faceoffs lost
Road faceoff %
Total faceoffs won
Total faceoffs lost
Total faceoffs taken
Total faceoff percentage
The last four columns are the ones I’m paying attention to here.
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Ahh, they don’t have the breakdown on the main player page.
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 20, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Not for this season, it’s 43 won, 43 lost, 86 total, or 50%; assuming your using this season, which it seems to be the case given you are using Briere at 56(.5)%. SO I’m counting hahaha.
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Do the Flyers have anyone over 50% in their career?
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I know Giroux and Briere aren’t, and I don’t believe Talbot is, but I hadn’t checked.
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Talbot was over 50% (51) in 08-09, then just under 50 for the next two seasons
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 20, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m talking total, his entire career, including playoffs. I calculated Giroux and Briere. Talbot doesn’t appear to be just checking % and quickly looking at # of draws. But I’d have to look. For instance I thought Briere would be close to 49% than 50% from a quick look, but I was wrong when I actually went through it.
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So, I guess my point is that faceoffs really have nothing to do with why Briere should or should not play center.
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Well, my point was right now he’s your best guy, and it may be all semantics with all the numbers out there now—where life time Briere is Talbot is G all at around 50%. I just knew he had been ok this year while the overall team numbers were down, so keep him in there unless Schenn proves he’s better (cwicemvp12’s original point) but they will probably not be on the same line anyway, so the original point I was trying to make may be moot for two reasons.
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 20, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I agree with you. I’m saying that he could easily be moved off the dot because he’s not very good doesn’t seem to make sense if he seems to be hot on the dot right now, and over the length of his career he’s still as good as/better than the other options.
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Briere is a proven productive NHL C – much better at C than at W – and you want to shunt him to W in order to make room for Brayden Fricking Schenn on the second line?
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Not sure why you’re so startled that I’d want to put someone who isn’t very good at defense at less of a defense-heavy position, especially considering Briere hasn’t won more than 50% of his faceoffs since his first year as a Flyer. It’s very likely that Schenn is at least as good as Briere in his own end right now and unless Schenn is absolutely dreadful at faceoffs, it’s very likely he’s better than Briere in that department as well. IIRC, Briere played some wing in ‘07-08 and in 08-09 when he wasn’t hurt, scoring 25 points in 29 games during the latter season. Like you guys say, all of this is moot since they won’t do this in the first place, but the lines I posted would be a great way to keep Couturier and Schenn playing a good chunk of minutes without having to sacrifice a young kid on the fourth line who won’t get much benefit out of playing there in the first place.
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Briere is not a great defensive C, that I agree on. He is a good offensive C, and a much better offensive C than an offensive W.
Schenn might or might not be a good defensive C, but you need the second line to score, and it will almost certainly do a lot more of it with Briere at C.
I can’t see moving Danny Briere off of the C position for any reason, least of all so Braden Schenn can take faceoffs and play in the D zone. It’s putting the cart in front of the horse.
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Exactly, Briere isn’t being asked to play against the other teams top line very often so we don’t need him to excel at D (obviously everyone must play some D). If Schenn turns out to be amazing in the faceoff dot then you have Schenn take the draws and then move over to wing for the rest of the shift.
by youtastelikeaburger on Oct 20, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s pretty tough to switch assignments like that, particularly in the D zone and even more so if you lose the draw – not that Briere is likely to get a lot of D-zone faceoff chances, of course.
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It’s actually not very difficult at all. Watch a full game and see how many times teams do this. Many times centers are thrown out of the faceoff, they aren’t suddenly lost on what they need to do for the next 15 secs.
by youtastelikeaburger on Oct 20, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Here’s the real question. Who is more important to develop…Schenn or Couturier? Clearly its going to be tough to find minutes at center for both of them and we don’t really want either to be wasted with 4th line talent and minutes. But who has the higher ceiling and who is more important to develop? Clearly there is not enough room on the team to have both be in the top 9 at center; and thats a really good problem to have at end of the day. Maybe its too small of a sample size so far, but I think we need to take Schenn and really get him developed and going. It might not be fair, but Couturier should be put on the 4th line and then 3rd when there is an injury or suspension. I like what Couturier has done defensively so far, so whats wrong with developing him more defensively? It really isnt a waste of his talents if they can groom him to be a top notch defensive forward. Its not like his offensive ability is gonna completely go away.
If that’s the real choice, Couturier should be in Juniors.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 20, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
His offensive talents won’t go away but will the end up under-developed? That’s my only concern for seeing him on the 4th line until Briere’s contract is up. Luckily he’ll still only be 23 or 24 when Briere’s contract runs out in 2015, coming into the beginning of his prime, hopefully.
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After Briere is gone, Schenn will be the 2nd line center and Couturier will be the 3rd line center. The way I see it, having them start at 3 & 4 now is like an entry level position. Schenn is expected to be the more offensive of the two, and Couturier is expected to be the more defensive. Why not start them both in roles that will point them in that direction?
I’d say this news is pretty Schenn-sational.
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by Legion of Bullies on Oct 20, 2011 1:08 PM EDT reply actions
If Coturier( I hate Coots), is primed to be a defensive forward and penalty killer, I dont think that him playing on the fourth line is going to hurt his development. The flyers are still going to take 5 penalties a game, so he will see time on the kill. And if they dont take a ton of penalties, Lavy will surely roll 4 lines. Its a win win.
Personally, I think it is more important right now to give brayden a chance to establish himself as an NHL’er. He has gotten an opportunity at every level so far, but hasnt really had a chance to show what he can do yet.
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If Coturier( I hate Coots)
Yeah but Coturier isn’t really short enough of a nick name for Couturier.
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Scooter
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 20, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
or something to do with fashion – a couturier is an elite garment-maker.
Or, maybe, Sean. Like Prince, or Madonna, or Mario. Not everyone needs a nickname.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 20, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I prefer “Sean.”
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 20, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t ruin me being a smart ass with real suggestions.
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Sorry
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 20, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice catch, but I like Coots better than Cooter, but Scooter also works, since he’s a young guy.
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 20, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Coots is just the Flyers fans trying to get the announce team to make a pronunciation mistake like Chooch.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
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The Eagles have been trying for some trades lately, is it time for the Flyers? Or are they going to hold onto unnecessary pieces in case of another team having an injury?
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You’re implying that they could/should trade Walker?
He was available for free on waivers a couple of weeks ago and every team passed on him.
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Oh. Well get rid of him. Did we sign him to a contract, or is he on waivers at 1.7 million?
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When the Flyers traded for him, they acquired his $1.7M/year contract.
When he was on waivers, other teams had the option to take that contract. They passed on it, so he cleared waivers.
Which means that the Flyers can send him to the AHL any time in the next couple weeks if they want to. And then he’d come off the cap.
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Jagr vs Ovechkin
Whats the over under on who has more points tonight? I feel one of them is going to breakout tonight.
Can there be an over/under for picking between 2 people? If so, Ovie.75?
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Sure.
Two options for how to do this are Ovie -0.5 vs Jagr, where picking Jagr means you win on a tie, or Ovie (-140) vs Jagr, which means you get less than an even return on a winning bet if you pick Ovie.
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I hope Ovie doesn’t break out. My wife can’t stand him and that ride home would not be fun.
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 20, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Do either still constitute as over/under though? I’m not hip to sports betting lingo, but neither of those seem like over/unders anymore.
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They’re technically not O/U since you’re picking a side rather than a total. If you wanted to guess number of points for both players that’s more like a traditional over/under. So Ovie + Jagr O/U 5 points for example. Or you could put a half in it to split all ties (Ovie + Jagr 5.5 or something like that.)
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 20, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that’s what I thought.
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Shelley is where I thought he'd be
I did not contribute to yesterday’s discussion on Schenn, Shelley and the lines partly because work was busy, but also because I thought some of the discussion to be irrelevant (this time in the hockey sense, as opposed to the typical OT travels).
I have always thought that Shelley would be the 22nd skater. That is his role on the team. He is the enforcer, and is in the lineup in order to scare teams away from intimidating our other players. He will be active either when someone is injured or needs a rest, or if a team has crossed the line in a previous game with the Flyers. Now, I’m not happy about this, this is absolutely a waste of $500K or so of cap space (as opposed to a rookie salary) and I will rejoice when he is waived. However, Homer clearly does not agree with us, and thus we can expect him to be on the team for his “presence.” Shelley also will likely get Zherdev-rights on pressbox food, which is probably a better idea than keeping a rookie there instead of in the AHL.
Hey, and he’s skating with JJ! Maybe he’ll develop a “move” (a la Asham).
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Quick question
My roommate bought me tickets to the game tonight and we are on our way up to the game now. I was wondering what parking is like around the arena and if there were any specific places you could recommend. Appreciate any help and good luck tonight.
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It’s a nice night for a small walk, park in the Citizens Bank Ball Park Lot T on Pattison. It’s easier to get out of after a game if you aren’t used to the traffic patterns in the parking lots. Doors open 90 minutes before the game.
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Depends on where they live. When I lived in NJ I always parked right near the gate by the WW Bridge entrance. Basically, as soon as you get to your car, you’re out of there. No sitting in traffic.
Usually park in the main LINK lot, near the far end from the WFC, there’s a side gate that they open and you shoot right out, up to 76 back to Jersey.
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 20, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re usually in the first couple rows of C lot since we have a Broad St pass but we also usually stay after in the Grille to let the traffic empty out. I wish we had more lanes getting on 76 WB at Broad because everyone seems to want to cut over to get on that ramp at the last second.
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 20, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s pretty much a clusterfuck getting out of the most of the lots by the building, I buy season tickets with parking for a couple games every season, and I ususally hang out for a while too. Hate dealing with the traffic.
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 20, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally agree with you. We come down from Allentown so it’s a long night but to me waiting is worth it. If the wife is looking to bail out right away I usually let her drive so she can deal with it (I usually drive down and have to make the call at Mid-County whether to take 476 to 95, go across 76 or take 23 to 1 to 76. We’ve slowly but surely accumulated routes getting down and back.
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 20, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I get to leave in about 5-10 minutes for tonight’s game so we can get there and parked between 5-5:30. Doh.
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 20, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I live at Broad & Oregon, so I don’t even have to walk those few short blocks. (and I assure you, I won’t be walking)
So you take the sub to Pat.. I mean AT&T?
I’m around there too, but I walk. I like walking.
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There are tons of lots around the stadium so you aren’t going to have any problems finding parking. The issue is when you leave (although there is a new exit strategy they just started recently to get people out through certain exits depending on what lot you end up in.) Some people try to park closer to the exits so they can get to it faster but once the cars start lining up it’s a hurry up and wait thing. If you’re coming up 95 then you can make a right into one of the Broad St entrances. It’s pretty easy for the most part.
Here’s a link to the lot maps and the new exit strategy if you want to look at it: http://www.wellsfargocenterphilly.com/parking.aspx
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 20, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I just got canned. Now I am broke. Since Walker doesn’t really do anything for 1.7 mil. Can I just get one games pay worth, I can do nothing too.
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by Christopher A on Oct 20, 2011 3:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Maybe, but I think I’ve got you on that one.
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by JerseyDriver on Oct 20, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I used to live on South st, and worked at the pizza shop under my house. Even though I was allowed to eat there for free, I went 4 days without food because I didn’t feel like walking downstairs. This was after they told me that they wouldn’t deliver to me any more. The only safe bet to get me to move is throwing a grenade at my feet, and even then … 50/50.
sorry if this has been talked about before…but what’s the similarities/differences between schenn and scooter? i know they’re both supposed to be 2 way players with schenn apparently more offensive and cooter more defensive? is schenn more of a playmaker? are we going to be seeing crazy no look passes?
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