Tuesday Morning Fly By: Pronger Death Stare Through a Visor Will Be Like Sun Through a Magnifying Glass
by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2011 6:00 AM EDT
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Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...
- Recaps: [BSH] [Pension Plan Puppets] [SB Nation Philly] [Philly Sports Daily] [CSNPhilly] [Inquirer] [delcotimes.com] [Flyers Faithful] [Daily News] [NHL Hot Stove]
- Tim Panaccio has a source that says Sean Couturier will not be sent back to Juniors. In the same story, Panaccio gets the 9 game slide rule wrong. So, you know. [CSNPhilly]
- Jakub Kovar stopped 23 of 25 shots in a 3-0 loss: [euroflyers]
- Published before last night's game, saying it was time for Scott Hartnell to shine. He did: [Flyers Goal Scored By...]
- Future Flyers Weekly Report starring Nick Cousins, Harry Zolnierczyk, and Niko Hovinen: [Flyers Faithful]
- NHL Power Rankings for Week 2 shows the Capitals as the biggest winner: [SB Nation Philly]
- Ted Nolan was in Rochester scouting Oskars Bartulis for Team Latvia yesterday: [DemocratandChronicle]
- Jared Ross' alma mater, University of Alabama - Huntsville, is ending their Division 1 hockey program: [SBNation.com] [On the Forecheck]
- Looking at only two-plus seasons worth of goaltending statistics may be dangerous and uninformative: [Pension Plan Puppets]
- In response to DIGR analyzing shot distance allowed as a team talent: [Arctic Ice Hockey]
- Looking at the method not chosen to adjust Corsi for zone starts: [Driving Play]
- Be wary of power play scoring inflating small sample successes: [Hockey Prospectus]
- A new episode of BSH Radio will be posted later today. Get excited.
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Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
In fairness, there is no way to do it correctly, it’s always just wrong.
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I know, but from the vast selection of facepalm pics available, there was something I liked about that one. Though I almost went with the Tommy Lee Jones Implied Facepalm.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I meant the whole 1st thing.
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It’s almost as rare as a Kreider comic.
Bob.
by The Dark on Oct 25, 2011 12:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Et tu, the dark?
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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 25, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I wanted them to get Pronger some rest but not like this. Hopefully he will be fine.
Good to see hartnell get some success to get his season rolling along.
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Feeling nervous about Walker being pressed into the lineup after his uninspiring start and Pronger’s injury. Perhaps cap problems will necessitate that Walker be sent down to ADK and Gus recalled in his place?
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Sending Walker down would allow them to call up Gus and Marshall, I believe (though there are conflicting reports on how much Schenn’s cap hit is now, and 50k here or there could make this not work).
That two-for-one is the only reason I’d see Walker being sent down right now. And if they do it, I think Gus and Marshall might be stuck in the NHL all year (with one not getting any playing time unless Lilja gets benched), because recalling Walker would risk having him claimed on re-entry waivers and really blowing things up.
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So with Pronger out for the next few weeks will Gus get called up and given a serious look or are we stuck with the skating train wreck that is Matt Walker?
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Wonderful. And yet again the Flyers are plagued by their own cap mismanagement.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
They have 7 Defenseman I don’t understand why this is a cap problem. Walker isn’t great but he is the 7th D-Man and will play when on the 6 gets hurt. This is a Walker problem not a cap problem.
Pronger......
I would be willing to bet my pay check that if that same play happen the other way around with a Flyer “high-sticking” someone and then injuring them a penalty would have been called.
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
I’d take that bet 100% of the time and you’d make me a rich man.
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No, it was a follow through on a shot and the stick deflected up off of Pronger’s stick. It’s clean, just an extremely unfortunate accident.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I am not arguing if it was clean or not I was simply saying that it would not have been called clean if a Flyer was the person doing the stick swinging.
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
by LegionofDoom on Oct 25, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Bob
Looked pretty good last night. I was happy to see him back in the net.
Does anyone have any picks of his new mask design? Its looks different than last years.
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
2 thoughts
1. I vaguely remember seeing somewhere that there is a limit to the number of players a team can place on LTIR. Is there any truth to that? Either way I think the Flyers try to avoid putting Pronger there, hoping (praying) he misses less than 10 games.
2. With 192k in LTIR space left, I think Walker has to get assigned to ADK, in favor of Gus and random defenseman #7. Homer says “we have players” but pretty much refused to answer the roster question. I guess we’ll know come Thursday.
There are other ways to make cap space. They have a pretty expensive fourth line right now, and some much cheaper options in the AHL…
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So … if Shelley gets dumped (and his stock has never been higher, as he looked pretty darn good last night) and Sestito comes up instead, can they afford to bring up Gus?
Capgeek is still showing Schenn’s full salary of $3m+, and also has Lappy still on the active roster. The other related variable is (of course) Cooter – if he’s returned to the minors, that’s $1.375 in cap space immediately. What is Betts’ status at the moment – can he take over the 4th line center spot from Cooter or not?
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 25, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Shelley’s stock has never been higher…and no team would take him for future considerations.
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How about earlier considerations – like, “Gee, Tampa, you guys really raped us on that whole Gagne-Walker deal. How ’bout you scratch our back and take Jody Shelley off our hands?”
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 25, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Where’s Chem with the DG sign???
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 25, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Chem is in the middle of a day of classes and has not yet been on a computer.
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by Chemistry66 on Oct 25, 2011 12:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
18 Year Old Rookies
Which I think leaves Couturier, Nugent-Hopkins, Landeskog, Zibanejad, and Larsson.
…with 8 games played, is Cooter:
- on the block?
- to be given a big role next game to see if he can handle better than 4th line minutes?
Really he seems like the odd man out now more than ever. Nugent-Hopkins and Landeskog seem like point-per-game locks so far this season, Zibanejad is on a terrible team, and Larsson is a Devil… (o.k. so I have no point on that last one…) Couturier seems to be the only one left playing significant 4th line/PK style minutes. (Not that I know where he sits in terms of being sheltered.)
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Larsson was hailed as the most NHL ready in the draft and he is on a team that needs him. I’ve seen a few games and he does look impressive for this age.
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I read something that said Larsson is already the best NJD defenseman this year. I haven’t watched a single NJD game, but if that’s the case (and their D was dreadful last year) I’d expect him to stay up full time.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Yeah, and Landeskog has been a beast and Nugent-Hopkins is playing what, top line?
One of these things is not like the other 18 year olds, and its Couturier.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
I thought that line last night with him, Shelley and Talbot was really, really good. They brought a lot of energy and spent some time in the offensive zone. I was really happy with their play. Even the penalty they called on Shelley I thought was not his fault.
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 25, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
You do realize the 4th line has been really good so far. Talbot Cooter are leading the team in CORSI despite a horrendous sub 30% Offensive Zone Start percentage. Cooter is playing the same bad positions Betts was getting twice as much TOI and leading the team is ranked 1st on the team in CORSI instead of being ranked dead last. The 4th line is a position of strength instead of a horrendous weakness like it was last year.
Which brings back the debate of if we want Cooter to be a good to great 4th line center in 11-12 or a good to great 1st/2nd line center in 14-15?
Is what value he adds right now worth a year of garunteed contract?
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Jeff Carter started out as a defensive centerman in the NHL, taking 4th and some 3rd line minutes. He turned out OK, I guess.
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 25, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
In ’05…
at age 20…
after playing in the OHL…. till he was 20…
and after being called up onto the Phantoms to win a Calder Cup…
and after 3 World Juniors Tournaments…
…and a 42 point rookie season which wasn’t dominated by 4th line play time.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Some people believe he’ll develop better playing 25-30 minutes in juniors, some believe he’ll develop better playing 8-10 minutes in the NHL. I honestly don’t know, and I don’t think any of us do.
But the point is that he’ll be paid $1.4M in ‘12-13, ’13-14, and either ’11-12 or ’14-15. And he’ll provide a lot more value on that salary in ’14-15 as a 1C/2C entering his prime than in ’11-12 as a rookie 4C.
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But the point is that he’ll be paid $1.4M in ‘12-13, ’13-14, and either ’11-12 or ’14-15. And he’ll provide a lot more value on that salary in ’14-15 as a 1C/2C entering his prime than in ’11-12 as a rookie 4C.
and after that ’14-15 we would hopefully get him at a reasonable cost for his RFA years thus assuring him on the roster until at least 2018 if we do this right / slide him.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
See my reply to Eric – same to you.
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 25, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I hold off on talking about the RFA part because we don’t know what the CBA will look like when he signs his next deal, but this may be another benefit to the slide.
Or it might be a wash — maybe the next CBA will just have players hitting UFA at a fixed age regardless of years of service, in which case everything after that ’14-15 season would be the same.
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True. The money is one thing; my desire to see him stick with the team is perhaps in opposition but not unjustified in terms of player development and his play to date. I’ll concede the contractual considerations.
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 25, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup. Honestly, I think both sides are defensible, but my personal belief is that if he can face top competition as a 3C, he’s adding enough value this year that I’d go ahead and burn the ELC, but if he’s going to be facing weak competition with Shelley on a wing then I don’t think he’ll be able to add enough value there.
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I think he can face that competition 3C and will eventually there just isn’t room for me right now until someone get hurt the fact that he can’t called back up once sent to Juniors is what kills it for me. He provides a valuable depth asset down the middle.
Also from a people perspective and a management perspective you told this kid coming he if you play well you can make the team. Then you stack the deck against him putting him in tough situations kill penalties etc for the entire time he was here and he still succeeds and surpasses expectations how can you justify sending him back. It just wouldn’t seem fair or send the right kind of message and set an awful precedent to the others youngsters come next training camp.
Three things:
1) When you say “I think he can face that [top] competition”, that’s a hope that’s not based on evidence. He has faced very weak competition thus far. It’s very rare for a player of his age to face top competition. It’s much safer to assume he can’t/won’t at this point.
2) When you say “there just isn’t room … right now”, that’s an admission that the team has better options than him. You’re burning an awful lot of future value just to get a marginal boost on the fourth line and an insurance policy against an injury to a top center.
3) When you say “you told this kid coming he[re] ‘of you play well, you can make the team’”, you’re assuming something that you don’t know. The team could — and should — have told him all along that the cap is tight and the roster is deep and they hope to find space for him but can’t make any promises. I don’t know why you’d assume they did otherwise — if they did, then that was the people and management failure.
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by Eric T. on Oct 25, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
my own selfish self has this to say on the subject of development.
I would rather not see someone develop into a superstar and then play half or more of his career on another team due to us sucking at Asset management and cap considerations.
Hell I have Couturier on my Fantasy team at the moment and I’m pushing for him to drop back to the Q/go back to the World Junior Tournament for the year…
…and like I said somewhere else, imagine having him centering JVR and someone like Simmonds in a couple years… we haven’t had a big dominating line with scoring touch in at least a few seasons.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Jeff Carter was also past the option of being able to slide when he came to the NHL, so he was going to use a year of his ELC whether it was in the NHL or AHL regardless; apples to oranges. It’s not about development, the debate is about asset management. Hope that clears it up.
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And again – point conceded. Even agreed. But man, I would like to continue watching such a young player be successful like that!!!
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 25, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d be fine with him staying if 1. I thought the Flyers were true contenders this year, and/or 2. He was in a role that was more meaningful to the team. He clearly has does nothing that warrants him being sent back, rather it’s the way he is being used and the way the team is currently constructed to make a run at a SC appearance this year. I just want to keep the whole he will develop fine here out of the asset management debate as that isn’t the main issue there.
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Fair points, I suppose. I guess I could see how being 4th line center could prevent ‘Briere-ness’ in a young star-quality center, but you’re quite correct about the asset management being wholly divested from the player development in this instance.
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 25, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he’d be fine in that role and if I thought the Flyers could make a serious run without large amounts of luck beyond the normal run being necessary, I would be more for keeping him, even if it was just as a 4C. Either way, whether it’s with the Flyers this year or in the Q, I think he’ll develop just fine. My default preference is to play another year in Juniors because of a combination of the team I support’s preference to being at the absolute cap ceiling every year and the slide rule.
But I definitely see the where everyone who is on the Couturier has earned a spot side of the fence is coming from, it’s just IMO, there wasn’t anything he could do personally to earn a spot, so I was always looking at it differently.
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it’s just IMO, there wasn’t anything he could do personally to earn a spot, so I was always looking at it differently.
But that is not what the organization told him and all the others coming in hence you have to bite the bullet to be fair.
Why? Why would you have to bite the bullet?
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Because going back on your word and admitting what you said to your employee is entirely BS is not the best way to manage people.
If you were in sales and you boss gives you a goal and tells you if you meet that loft goal you will get a 5K bonus. You meet that goal and actually exceed it. When your paycheck comes and you don’t get the bonus you were promised and your boss comes up with a lame excuse how would that make you feel? How would that look to the other members of your sales team?
I know were a fans we crunch that numbers to these players are people this is a way of life a job and you have to be honest with your employees and award not punish effort and hard work.
You don’t have to reward hard work that isn’t good enough, or that doesn’t improve your financial standing. In most cases, that employee would be substandard, and encouraged to get better at his job or lose it. In the very specialized case of athletes, where physical development can be semi-reliably projected, you sometimes take a loss up front, prematurely rewarding players for better value later/to retain their rights.
This clearly isn’t such a case, and it’s certainly not a case analogous to your example. No clear benchmark was set, no promise was extended, and the nature of his contract is such that he is inherently and necessarily movable for business reasons. He played fine, but if the team determines that they are better this year—financially, on-ice, etc.—with someone else in that spot, or his development requires that he be sent down, then they aren’t breaking any obligations—contractual, implied, or otherwise.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Because going back on your word and admitting what you said to your employee is entirely BS is not the best way to manage people.
I hope you see some irony in this Chris.
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by DLJr on Oct 25, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
BURN!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone know exactly what the organization told him?
More over I don’t give a shit. That’s not what we were, or I was talking about here. Why you feel the need to jump in late to conversations and get off topic boggles my mind. I said I was analyzing the situation via a certain thought process and it’s how I came to form my opinion on what i think should be done. My opinion is in no way tied to the team or anyone else’s opinion. Please, if you are just going to change gears on me, don’t post a comment. My responses from here on out when you do so will be, “I have no interest in entering a Lanci Loop”.
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Chris seriously has to be Paul Holmgren.
How else would he know what the organization told Couturier?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
…and why I have been harping on the others from his draft class still in the NHL. N-Hopkins is seeing 1st/2nd line time and production.
Landeskog is seeing 2nd/3rd and producing at 1st/2nd.
Larsson is being called the Devils best defenseman (apparently)
and Zibanejad is playing up and down the lineup on a horrible Senators team.
which is the gripe with keeping a guy up in the NHL you can only slot into a 4C. (unless theres some issues with Briere or something we don’t know about, like bad knees)
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
theres some issues with Briere
You mean like having as many points through 9 games as Matt Read, yet having seven times more penalty minutes (14)? Or making $3.2 million more than Jagr, but having 2 less points? Or having a CorsiRel of -3.2, while Simmonds has a +4.8?
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 27, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
it is WAY too early in Schenn and Couturier’s career to judge who will be a more dominant center in the NHL. As for Giroux, he could become the next Forsberg, or he could even out where he is now. If he stayed exactly as he is now I would rank him as an extream upper talent 2C, but not an elite 1C.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Having a 4th line perform well in a limited capacity is marginally better than having a 4th line perform adequately in a limited capacity
Point being, it’s still a 4th line, with limited minutes
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 25, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
The 4th line is a position of strength instead of a horrendous weakness like it was last year.
You’re attributing that to replacing Betts with Couturier. I would attribute it to replacing Shelley with Talbot.
If Shelley continues to dress, the fourth line will be a weakness. If he doesn’t, it won’t. Couturier is a small part of that.
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Shelley isn’t the reason his line can’t be an average first line, but I think it’s possible he’s the reason they can’t form an average fourth line, especially when it seem that they are above average whenever they are on the ice without him.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
How is it unfair?
Everywhere Shelley has gone, his line has faced the absolute worst competition and had terrible results. Every year. He’s among the bottom few players in the NHL in cumulative competition faced over the last four years and has consistently gotten beaten by those players.
Why wouldn’t you assume that the fourth line suddenly facing weaker competition and getting beaten by them last year — after Betts led a Shelley-free line to much better results the previous year — is the result of Shelley being added to the line? Why would you assume that Couturier can suddenly become the first person in the history of ever to lead Shelley to great success?
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Shelly is a power forward and will be a late bloomer.
by chrislanci on Oct 25, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Toronto needs to go back to school to learn how to control the sticks. It wasn’t just the Pronger incident…they were really dangerous on the ice last night. That Pronger injury happened literally right in front of us but no one saw it because everyone was looking at the puck go up into the netting above the glass. I think it’s inexcusable with two officials on the ice that one didn’t watch the follow through.
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 25, 2011 9:26 AM EDT reply actions
I think it’s inexcusable with two officials on the ice that one didn’t watch the follow through.
What would that change? It’s not a penalty.
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That would change the fact that it took them so long to get Pronger off the ice. I’m just glad that puck hit the netting and play did stop so they could get him off of there to medical attention.
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 25, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
The whistle for the play to be over was pretty much immediate, and he got himself right off the ice. It’s pretty hard to say the officials wouldn’t have blown it dead if it stayed in play., especially since the official on the goal line skated immediately over to Pronger and assisted him to the bench. Between contact and the time it took for Pronger and the official to get to the Flyers bench, 10 seconds went by; so I’m confused by your statement.
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It happened right in front of me. I would only call it "immediate" because play stopped. He could barely see where he was going. I’m confused by your confusion.
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 25, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it should’ve been whistled down once he threw all his gear down. It seemed longer to me than maybe it actually was. Maybe that’s where you’re confused.
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 25, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not confused with what actually happened, I’m confused by your reaction to it. Either what you saw doesn’t mesh with the time and actual events because of how you remember it, or your expectations are unreasonable.
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Not unreasonable at all since I considered it to be a serious injury. I think because everyone was following the puck that no one realized it immediately. I guess since it was right in front of me it seemed longer than it was.
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 25, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
It was immediate though, both the official and Pronger’s (obviously) reactions were immediate. The fans, yeah, well, don’t get me started on fans this season.
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The main point (to get back to it) was I thought Toronto really was poor at controlling the sticks all night. That Bob poke through the mask bugged me too. It just seemed like they really didn’t do a good job controlling themselves around the rink (I’d put Danny in that group on our side. I know he’s prone to penalties but they seem like they’re getting even more frequent.)
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 25, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I have nothing to add there, of the 4 sentences of your initial post, the last 2 were the ones that caught my eye so to speak.
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It just looked really scary when it happened (to the point where I would’ve wanted play stopped immediately.) I think I would’ve been better served to watch the puck and not watch the stick clip Pronger. Then it wouldn’t have felt like time stopped watching the Captain drop in agony to the ice and then get up and skate to the bench. It’s just frustrating.
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 25, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I can add on a good note a puck went up and over into the crowd into 123 and the guy sitting in row 1 next to the Flyers bench gave the puck to a young kid sitting in the aisle seat between 122 and 123. This kid was really, really excited to get that puck. I mean he looked like he was going to pass out. It was a nice gesture.
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 25, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Look at the video.
Contact at 3 seconds.
Whistle blown and eye contact with a downed Pronger at 4 seconds.
Official arrives next to Pronger as he gets up immediate at 7 seconds.
Official and Pronger arrive at Jim McCrossin in front of bench at 13 seconds.
I think what you saw and the actual events don’t mesh. Pronger got himself off the ice on his own immediately, he didn’t give anyone else much of a chance.
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Yep it seemed longer to me than that. I think because I never took my eyes off of him getting hit with the stick so it seemed like an eternity to me. Most people around had no idea he was even injured until I yelled out.
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 25, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Every team shoots like that, it’s just a freak accident. And it looks like Grabo’s stick rides up Pronger’s stick. Just an unfortunate accident.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Yep I didn’t think it was a penalty. Just a really scary incident. Of course Toronto as a whole last night was really poor in most areas with regards to how they controlled their stick (putting aside the Pronger incident.)
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 25, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Toronto took 2 minors and a double-minor for high sticking over the course of the game. I didn’t get to see the game, but my dad made the same complaint, high sticks all night.
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Bob also got a stick through the mask that knocked him down for a few seconds. He was back up and ready to go though after that.
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 25, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
They really seemed out of sorts in their own zone. There was a lot of chasing by the Leafs and we really were able to keep offensive pressure on them throughout. Neither one of their goals were a result of sustained pressure and there was a good amount of time in the 2nd period where even our 4th line was sustaining in the offensive zone.
I was thoroughly satisfied with the effort vs Saturday against St. Louis where it seemed they couldn’t make one clean tape to tape pass when coming into the attacking zone.
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 25, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
It happened right in front of me. I would only call it “immediate” because play stopped. He could barely see where he was going. I’m confused by your confusion.
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 25, 2011 9:36 AM EDT reply actions
/sophiejo’d
Speaking of, where is she?
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Yep my bad hintz! Too early in the AM and not had coffee yet…grumble.
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 25, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey, remember the big debate about whether Hartnell was declining?
He is now on a 52-point pace, which would surpass last year’s 49 as the second-best of his career. Which is not to say that the 8-game sample is any more meaningful than the 7-game sample, but that the rapid change illustrates why we should ignore the current season altogether and hesitate to declare someone to be falling apart immediately following the second-best point total of their career.
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I’m still hating on Hartnell … as I have for the past 333 games (plus 57 playoff games).
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 25, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
In those 333 games Hartnell has 199 points as a Flyer, I understand the not liking the contract but the guy has played well in his time with the Flyers…..
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Depends on how one defines ‘playing well’. If it is purely about points over a season, you are correct. If it encompasses more things, like an ability to skate, skill with passing the puck (to players on your team, that is), some defensive sense on the ice, limited liability with penalties, or even being a role model for other players – Hartnell sucks.
He stands in front of the net and lets pucks bounce off him, and he contributes to Locks Of Love. That’s it – for $4+ million a season you get 0.6 PPG and nothing else. That’s $85, 365 per point. Simon Gagne had 524 points in 664 games (0.79 PPG) so he cost $81,043 per point, and he brought defensive play, passing, leadership, ….
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 25, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t hate on him. He was nice to me and he signed my puck. Thanks Scottie!
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 25, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
If hI still stand by my position that if he is going to be put on third line with that contract it’s best to trade him
It’s not cap, it’s analysis from a financial perspective
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 25, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
but what do you think about keeping him with Jagr and G?
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Last night JVR was the one who got the short end of the stick.
I’d rather not hinder the development of one of our core players for a guy who will be gone in 2 years
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 25, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t hate on Hartnell because he once donated his hair to Locks Of Love, which is one of my favorite charities.
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by LeepinLizardz on Oct 25, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Headline of the Year
I needed that this morning. Thanks for the laugh.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Geoff, I love that you post your power ranking methodology, and that it’s at least an attempt at an objective quantification. I have a couple questions, though.
Why the focus on ES goal ratio? If Corsi is a better indicator than goals scored, shouldn’t you be looking at ES Corsi? I also understand why there is a focus on ES, but I don’t think special teams can be discounted completely. I haven’t looked at it (and I don’t really even know how you’d begin to analyze it) but I think that special teams play has an impact on the game that is disproportionate to the amount of time spent on specials teams. So let’s say special teams is only about 1/5 of the game, I think the impact is larger than that. I suspect you disagree with that claim, but that’s my gut reaction.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Why the focus on ES goal ratio?
Because the NHL publishes it after every game. And nobody publishes ES Corsi after every game.
So let’s say special teams is only about 1/5 of the game, I think the impact is larger than that.
Not to quantify it, but I admit special teams are an important part of the game. But how would I quantify the frequency teams are on special teams? How would I weight that appropriately in the method?
Basically, I hate power rankings. A lot. But people love them, so I was asked to do them. If I’m going to do power rankings, I’m going to do it objectively, and I’m going to make it simple to do.
With the NHL’s official site, it’s really easy to come up with a formula that attempts to show the best team at 5-on-5 in regulation. I’ll take it and move on. :)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Does anybody know the last time, if ever, a goalie was called for diving? I know they are supposed to “sell” the call when they get touched but last night Gustavsson practically jumped out of the arena when his OWN GUY touched him. It’s almost as bad as punters in the NFL.
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by PraiseMartyMoose on Oct 25, 2011 11:46 AM EDT reply actions
That was the call on Shelley right? That was ridiculous. Bob gets a stick through his mask and they let it go but a Leafs player bumps Gustavsson and he acts like he got hit by sniper fire (and it’s Shelley’s fault.) I was on the other side of the rink so I don’t know if Shelley did something else but if it was for Gustvasson’s reaction then that’s terrible.
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 25, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey guys,
Sorry if its bad to post this here,
I’m from PPP,
I’m doing a project for a Communications class on the NHL re-alignment,
I would love it if you could fill out this quick survey (seriously, its quick)
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ZGT3DHY
Thanks!
also, glad to see Pronger’s okay. Nice to see Jagr get going last night too, (even though it came at the cost of our record :(
It’s pretty messed up that you posted this here. Please delete.
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how is it messed up?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 25, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 25, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I did one as well.
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Oct 25, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Done.
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 25, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
curious in the last question why you broke out Canada into time zones but not the U.S. My answer to question 1 was affected by the fact that I root for an east coast time while living on the west coast.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 25, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
No longer a Flyers fan in Chicago? Same here.
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yeah i was only there part time. SCH was my first home on SBN (I joined up during the ’10 SCF). I grew up in PA, am in SF now. you?
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 25, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Nashville now (school part two). Chicago was school part one/work.
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have you found other Flyers fans about? Is there a hockey counterculture there?
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 25, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s definitely a fanbase. I live right near the arena, the area is covered with jersey-wearing people come gametime. And it’s cheap to catch a game, even if I have no rooting interest.
But no, no other Flyers fans, really.
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Lindsay Lohan is doing a playboy shoot this week
im excited
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 25, 2011 1:47 PM EDT reply actions
FINALLY!!! :) Playboy never has enough goddamn freckles – too many fake blondes with shoulders wider than their hips, and no ass at all.
And I’m also glad that Lidsey finally found her true calling, because since ‘Parent Trap’ her acting has gone down hill.
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 25, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Mean Girls waves its hand
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 25, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Not hard, that. “Here Lindsey – play yourself; just act natural.”
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 25, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude. Life Size.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 25, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
dont you dare sabotage this for me Rothenberg
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 25, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
How am I anything but supportive?
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 25, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Celebrity doing playboy
Dude a movie where she was like 10
That’s sabotage my friend
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 25, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
a preview:
http://nymag.com/fashion/08/spring/lindsay-as-marilyn/index1.html
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man does she look all used up.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
also that is very much not safe for work.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
eh. I still find her attractive
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 25, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
She is probably 35-45% less hot then she used to be but that’s still puts her at a fairly high sexiness Corsi. This is probably helped out by the dirtyness quotient.
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The bi-sexual quotient prolly helps, too, I’m guessing.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Meh. I’ve had close attractive lesbian friends. The whole girl likes girl shit gets old real quick
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 25, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, it’s the idea of a possible two girl, one guy encounter that I think they find appealing. At least the ones I know anyway. It never really works out, but whatevs.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I’ve seen 2 girls 1 guy work out.
Usually in their 60’s+
its not the teenage boys dream.
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by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
I’ve tried that several times, and honestly someone is always bored/left out of the action. The only ones who pine for it are those who haven’t already tried it.
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 27, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope – I don’t like to share. With anyone. And frankly, women with women … I guess I have seen it too much, but I’m not a voyeur – it doesn’t do anything for me.
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 27, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks for sharing. I may seem prudish but i find it depressing that when you do a search for images of almost any attractive female celebrity there are a lot of pics in which they have next to nothing on. It doesn’t matter if they’re really smart or talented or accomplished. I understand why it is so but it still feels whorish to me. As women continue to approach men in pay and rank and outpace them in education it will be interesting to see if this shifts. Guy’s urges won’t change, of course, but will women have one less reason to need to pander to them? (Again, I understand there are a lot of other things at play that aren’t about inequality).
But having gone on about all that I thought these pics really captured something more than just her naked body behind sheer cloth. They were exciting and sad and the emotion in them made them actually seem forbidden which is almost impossible to do with sex on the internet. Photographer did a great job.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 25, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of women seemingly think that somehow turning the tables on this gives them the power rather than the reverse—i.e. I am posing for these photos, I’m in charge and not being subjugated, etc. I think it’s sort of BS, personally. All the talent and brains in the world still gets reduced down to “what do you look like, and more to the point, what do you look like naked?”
I find beauty in internet anonymity. We can all be appreciated for our beautiful minds…or lack thereof. LOL.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Yeah I’ve gotten that argument too and it’s probably true for those who make a pile of money from it, directly or indirectly. But are those the examples and dreams you want young girls to have? Still, to each her own.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 25, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh, not hot anymore. She wrecked herself with all the drugs, IMO.
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eh, i dont mind
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 25, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
ok, it’s better than i was expecting
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
what were you expecting?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 25, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
SFW?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 25, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
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by PraiseMartyMoose on Oct 25, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
everyone has their unflattering photos. I think it’s kind of endearing. Means people are human, and well, not so far out of others leagues
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 25, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
99% of these stars are not that earth-shattering when not in full makeup; they’re just 1) insanely talented or 2) know the right people and were in right place/right time. 1% of them would be gorgeous/handsome with 1 hour sleep. Just lucky genetics.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
All I have to say about leagues is this:
Angelina Jolie married Billie Bob Thorton.
I’m pretty sure they don’t exist.
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by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
buddy, if that’s the best you got, man I feel bad for you
Evan Rachel Wood and Marilyn Manson
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 25, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m old… the last time I knew who Marilyn Manson was dating it was Rose McGowen.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Paulina P (last name too complicated) and Ric Ocasik.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Poriskova (sp?)
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Eh, hot girls always seem to have lower standards. Hot guys would never be seen with Roseanne Barr.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
in the real world I find this untrue…
I have on many occasions thought I saw some creeper hovering way too close to some really beautiful woman, only to have her turn around and kiss him or reach back to hold his hand.
on some occasions I have even been said creeper.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Am I reading you wrong or are you saying you saw hot girls going for creepy looking guys?
Exactly what I said. Women seem to settle more. But looks aren’t everything, of course. Looks fade.
That being said, I would still appreciate it if my significant other took a little more interest in his appearance. My stance has always been, “fat or bald, not both.”
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I’d be safe, I’m only fat.
Self High 5!!!
Does graying hair enter into this stance?
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@boknows71
I notice it more being a guy.
I also see attractive guys with unattractive women…
the problem with the celebrity impression is still that 99% of actresses have to be stunning. Actors can still survive on talent alone.
And most coverage of such things tends to be on couples that are both famous. You are much more likely to see a Angelina and Billy Bob or a Horsefaced Roberts and Lyle Lovett than you are a ….
…sorry I got off subject looking for a roseanne comparable when I found out Phyllis from the Office used to be both a ballet and burlesque dancer when she was younger.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Seth Rogen survives on neither
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 25, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He has influential friends and the eternal bond of Freaks and Geeks.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
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I should see if thats on Netflix…
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
it’s not
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 25, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
“Pretty women out walking with gorillas on my street”
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 25, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
this gives me hope
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 25, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
99% of these stars are not that earth-shattering when not in full makeup
Agreed. I guess I felt like there was a long string of pics like that of Lindsay and that’s what she looked like now.
Cute and quirky wins out over earth-shattering for me most of the time anyway. :-p
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dude…high five
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 25, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
you got it
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Stay excited though. In honor of Kimmo, BSH Radio 44 is perhaps the most spectacularest ever. Or at least it took the longest to edit.
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