Thursday Morning Fly By: Ben Says, In Fairness, Eric Lindros Didn't Score Much on Carey Price Either
by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 27, 2011 6:00 AM EDT
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- Recaps: [BSH] [CSNPhilly] [Flyers Faithful] [Philly Sports Daily] [Inquirer] [The Checking Line] [delcotimes.com] [Daily News]
- Frank Seravalli does a great job outlining the situation with Sean Couturier while saying he's almost certainly staying: [Daily News]
- The Phantoms lost to Norfolk in a shootout, 5-4: [PostStar.com] Post-Game notes and quotes: [Phantoms Forum]
- Arguing point and counterpoint of trading Sergei Bobrovsky to Columbus: [Flyers Faithful]
- Our friend Fehr and Balanced did a great breakdown of how the Capitals use Alex Ovechkin on the power play. Definitely worth a read, even if you don't care about Ovie and the Caps: [Japers' Rink]
- The Martin Hanzal is a contract to actually like: [Driving Play]
- An interesting piece on what Millenials can learn from hockey: [Flyers Goal Scored By...]
- Jonas Hiller has an amazing new mask in honor of Movember: [Puck Daddy]
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the millenials’ article is awesome. like, truly awesome. personally, i tend to recognize my occasional self-entitlement attitude and gape in awe at it.
It's a new season, and I'm damned excited! ecnewman on flyersfaithful.com
pure gold. I never was a hockey player, I was a competitive swimmer, and I can relate it to that. 2 very key points:
1. If you want something and you’re not achieving it, work harder or work different.
2. Shut the fuck up – no one who doesn’t personally know you could give a shit about your feelings.
Love the millenial article. Should be standard reading for some people.
by SkookFlyerfan on Oct 27, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair warning... I started replying and this turned into a tirade... you might just want to skip it.
Honestly I was “Meh” at best about the Millenial article.
The points were far too scattered and there was too much “Suck it up and work harder” finger pointing. (Which is indictive of both sides of the argument)
Personally I got more out of reading about “Sam” in the NY Mag article referenced in the Flyers article.
And for me I got this out of it: F’ all three of them: Sam, the writer, and the Millenial response. The guy made life choices and now regrets them. Thats a perception problem, not a generational problem. He switched from sciences to Arts, he got out of college and took an apprenticeship, he quit before he really started and became a teacher, being laid off he quit again and thinks salvation of happiness will come in a tech track…
I know the son of 2 doctors who’s on six different mood-stabalizers who went to college to smoke dope and make ceramics. Now he’s got a graduate degree and supports himself making clay pots and is content.
I know this generations, and last generations wood workers, wait staff, cooks, artists, whatever… If you look back at your life and see nothing but regret thats a problem. Not who paid for your school or how many figures your salary makes you. And I don’t think that has anything to do with how hard someone works or if you were brought up to think everyone gets a trophy…
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
I agree largely with your post here.
First off, I have to say that all this reductive, simplistic reasoning on all sides accomplishes nothing. The “entitlement” problem is not specific to the millenials and occurs in all generations relative to what’s available to them at the time. Of course, our grandparents didn’t feel entitled to education or high-paying jobs because they weren’t largely available to them at the time.
The personal responsibility argument is valid, but only insofar as you should be expected to do the most with what you are given or have access to—i.e. you can’t blame someone for not becoming a millionaire when circumstances prevent it. That is, you can work your ass off your entire life, but hard work and smart choices (that are available to you) don’t always equal million dollar success. Many people forget that your circumstances—i.e. who you know, who your parents are, influential people and lucky accidents—are largely what contribute to very successful people. Hard work doesn’t do it alone.
Whether or not this protest is being handled well in all cases or being hijacked by others to a certain degree—and oh, BTW, the point of a protest is to be inconvenient—the impetus behind it can’t simply be reduced to “lazy people who want to be handed things”. It’s more complex that that. Disagree with it all you want, but corporate greed is in large part what has gotten this country into its current economic mess. There’s no shame in examining the roots of that issue.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
“The personal responsibility argument is valid, but only insofar as you should be expected to do the most with what you are given or have access to—i.e. you can’t blame someone for not becoming a millionaire when circumstances prevent it. That is, you can work your ass off your entire life, but hard work and smart choices (that are available to you) don’t always equal million dollar success. Many people forget that your circumstances—i.e. who you know, who your parents are, influential people and lucky accidents—are largely what contribute to very successful people. Hard work doesn’t do it alone.”
Yep, yep, yep – and opportunities are drying up in this country…go to college, prepare for a career, but there aren’t enough jobs to go around? Not only that, but what about those who are not college material? We used to have factory jobs in the US – not any more. The value of service jobs? Way down, in order to put more money in the pockets of the 1%.
by FlyersFanInSTL on Oct 27, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The real issue is ...
An interesting piece on what Millenials can learn from hockey
The vain assumption is thinking that Millenials will take anyone else’s advice – even if it IS on the internet.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Oct 27, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn’t the tiger mask the one Bryz said he had trouble seeing the puck? That thing is destined for the dumpster.
by srv1084 on Oct 27, 2011 8:46 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Not a bad idea a brand new mask could really turn this thing around.
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Not exactly what I was saying but it could explain why he had no idea where the pick was last night. Not an excuse but thought I read something about that mask giving him vision probs.
by srv1084 on Oct 27, 2011 8:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually srv, it was a little inside joke you got caught in the middle of. But why would he even try to play with a mask he is not comfortable with, he is a pro and the budget is unlimited to correct these issues outside of the rink.
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No problem. Why is a great question and maybe the mask is not an issue anymore but there seemed to be a lack of vision and trouble covering pucks last night.
Also I’m not putting all blame on him but some of those goals were stoppable for a goalie of his supposed caliber. Just grabbing at straws here to pass the next nine years…..
by srv1084 on Oct 27, 2011 11:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No problem. Why is a great question and maybe the mask is not an issue anymore but there seemed to be a lack of vision and trouble covering pucks last night.
Also I’m not putting all blame on him but some of those goals were stoppable for a goalie of his supposed caliber. Just grabbing at straws here to pass the next nine years…..
by srv1084 on Oct 27, 2011 11:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
:)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 27, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
“It looks a little off if it’s white. But I can’t see well if it’s black. I tried the black for several games and practices and it bothered me a bit. I’m still thinking about it. I’ll probably have it white eventually
http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2011/10/6/2472645/bryzgalov-ready-to-be-a-flyer
Just wanted to justify the voices in my head didn’t lie. If he can’t see with it, don’t use it. BTW, the cage was black last night.
Perhaps try orange? If white blends in … and black obstructs … trying something ELSE might be in order!!!
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Oct 27, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve always felt that along with others a GM needs to consider the attractiveness of the Free Agents he signs and their deals. An ugly deal essentially means that this player will be with your organization for a considerable amount of the future. If you cut down on the ugly deals, the more maneuvers your organization can make.
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 27, 2011 8:48 AM EDT reply actions
OK… the first time I read this I thought it said you should have a Bro crush on your man handsome hockey players before you sign them to long FA deals…
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
man crushes should really be checked and balanced
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 27, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
What’s this big announcement the NHL have today? As its being announced in Pittsburgh do we reckon it might be about Sidney Crosby and when he returns no one came skate within five feet of him.
#2 Flyers fan in England behind Orange and Black Forever (Damn him and his Americanness)
I am ONE of a kind!
Look directly to your right —→
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 27, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
your kind of magic
Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
Giving up isn't an option
by Cillo stache on Oct 27, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Way to make me feel silly Geoff.
#2 Flyers fan in England behind Orange and Black Forever (Damn him and his Americanness)
I am ONE of a kind!
Better than dumb.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 27, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see anything to the right of this. Am I missing something?
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Oct 27, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, time is up. It’s announcing the NHL draft.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 27, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
What’s a draft?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
it’s chilly in here this morning. Winter comes early in Winnipeg.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 27, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
On the mobile version, there’s nothing to the right, oh great panjandrum.
Bob.
by The Dark on Oct 27, 2011 12:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fehr's PP peice
Good stuff. Wish I was more awake, but well worth the read. Hopefully PKers start to play coverage like that against Jagr as the year goes on.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Thanks for the compliments (and shout out). I had no idea it was going to be “Power Play Week” in the Caps bogosphere.
It really is stark how much AO collapses the box when he moves down low.
Please, call me F&B.
The pictures helped for me, I’m rather visual.
What? Every week in Washington isn’t Power Play Week? Color me surprised.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Is there much else to talk about with the Capitals?
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
PP was 17.5% last year. Not exactly blowing the doors off. There’s plenty to talk about the Caps. New stud third line, will AO (and Backstrom) bounce back, best D corps they’ve had since the ’80s, new goalie playing lights out.
Just happened to be PP week.
Please, call me F&B.
Yeah I’m just teasing.
And I am happy if Chimera is doing well… if only because he has an awesome name.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Yeah, it’ll be interested to see if he keeps it up but he’s never been a 20 goal scorer so I expect it to dry up at some point.
Please, call me F&B.
How could THIS not score 20 goals?
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
This brings up a good point Eric… would having goat legs makes you able to skate better… or worse?
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Hmm … does Hartnell have all that hair to hide his Pan-like horns? If so, then WORSE.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Oct 27, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
In other news
Saw this in Panotch’s article on Bryzy working on communication with Reese.
The irony, of course, is that Sergei Bobrovsky didn’t speak a lick of English last season as a rookie and didn’t seem to have this issue.
The irony, of course, is that this was became an issue for Bob stirred up by Panotch back in February. As I recall it only took a week to resolve.
If Brzy doesn't do right by Bob I'll kick his $51 million ass across the WFC.
And yes, I'm a female redhead.
Yeah, I was infuriated by this last night. I might write an article on this and other shifting narratives, if I can find the time today to get worked up about it again.
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I wasn’t able to watch the 1st period last night, so evidently I missed the only good portions of the show. Still, from what I saw I’m wondering when standing around and watching the opposing team skate and score became part of the Flyers’ defensive strategy?
Often wrong, but never in doubt.
by A Flyers Phamily on Oct 27, 2011 9:11 AM EDT reply actions
Front Office....
It’s really too bad the team was the only thing that got overhauled this off season. I really think Homer needs to go and Snider needs to keep his big nose out of the Flyers business. Let the coaches coach and the player play.
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
Great! Way to go and reference Fehr and Balanced, now he'll be here all day arguing with everyone!
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With fleas.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Oct 27, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Bryzy is definitely on Hiller’s mask right? Like I’m not seeing things? Seems a litle weird to have a player on another team on your mask.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
Your imagining things Kreider…
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
You’re telling me the dude on the chin part doesn’t look like Bryzy?
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Oct 27, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
OMG, hahahaha, it does…
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Maxime Macenauer maybe?
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
That’s the only guy it could be other than Bryz.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Oct 27, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
“Nah, [Cooter] couldn’t [be my son],” Jagr replied, sighing. “Because he really plays good defense, and I don’t.”
Please, call me F&B.
BSH should do a simulated hockey league
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 27, 2011 10:35 AM EDT reply actions
Also, some more winning links
http://twitter.com/#!/Clutterstache
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/The-top-10-greatest-NHL-Movember-mustaches-for-2?urn=nhl-290412
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 27, 2011 10:42 AM EDT reply actions
Per Tim McManus
Phantoms just held shootout tourney. Oskars Bartulis your big winner. Only guy to score twice.
The Wolf is a beast!
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Oct 27, 2011 11:37 AM EDT reply actions
Only guy to score twice.
Whoa, what kind of shootout was this?
Also, I thought this was old news.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Intra-Phantoms tourney at the end of practice this morning.
Also, HA! Well played.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Oct 27, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Back in my day we called it a showdown because only 1 guy wins ( or the goalies, but they don’t count haha) So everyone gets to shoot, if you score you go again if you don’t then you’re out. Its not rare for there to be 1 or only a few that score twice.
by kckrebs on Oct 27, 2011 12:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And needs to get back up with the big team.
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
by LegionofDoom on Oct 27, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Can’t risk losing him on re-entry for ~$300k
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 27, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn you Homer!!!!!!!!!!
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
by LegionofDoom on Oct 27, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Swooooooooooooon.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 27, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
No Renberg for Winter Classic...
Looks like he’s used up all of his PTO days and has to work the night of the WC. Lame..
What other Flyers would you bring back for the Alumni Game? I’d like to see: Brind’Amour, Recchi, Primeau, Desjardins, Tocchett, Brent Fedyk (Crazy 8’s line!?!), Propp
Klatt and/or Maneluk?
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I am not giving up hope. Yet.
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
by LegionofDoom on Oct 27, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Bringing back Lindros and Carter...Better watch over the wives.
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Keith Jones! Craig Berube! Peter Zezel!
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 27, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Zezel won’t be able to make it unless you can raise the dead. /sad (I loved him)
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Yeah – I know. I was tempted to ask for Tertyshny or Dupre.
But Zezel, Tocchett, and Eklund was the group of forwards I grew up with, so that’s who I’d most like to see. Hell, Tocchet only just retired a couple years ago!
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Oct 27, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Shjon Podein?
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 27, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Hextall. Clarke on a line with Karlamov.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 27, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m going to be extremely disappointed if Rico isn’t there… but I think I’ve already mentioned that about a dozen times. I know he had a lot of wear and tear by the end of his career, but since basically everybody else has their fair share too, I wonder if Howe could manage to come back and play in it since he’s only a little bit older than Propp.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 27, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
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