Monday Morning Fly By: Danny Delivers Dynamite Dynamo Debut Down Decatur Direction
by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 3, 2011 6:00 AM EDT
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Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...
- Reminder! Tonight are the BSH Fantasy Drafts.
- Roster battles! Everybody thinks Sean Couturier won a spot: [CSNPhilly] [In The Room] [Inquirer] [NHL Hot Stove] [Philly Sports Daily] [Orange and Black Pack] [delcotimes.com]
- Brayden Schenn? Maybe not: [Inquirer]
- But of course, I have a lot of problems with the way the roster is shaping up: [SB Nation Philly]
- Matt Walker is trying to win a spot on the roster: [delcotimes.com]
- Trying to put the forward lines together: [The Hockey Guys]
- What can be expected of Jaromir Jagr this year?: [Puck Daddy]
- The Phantoms lost to the Devils 3-1 Saturday night: [PostStar.com] [Phantoms Forum]
- Then lost to the Penguins 3-1 Sunday night: [Phantoms Forum]
- Ilya Bryzgalov said he's ready for the season, which is just great timing: [Philly Sports Daily] [CSNPhilly]
- Niko Hovinen stopped 24 of 26 shots in a 3-2 win on Saturday: [euroflyers]
- Nic Riopel signed a tryout contract with the Hamilton Bulldogs: [euroflyers]
- Danny Syvret scored in the final preseason game for Peoria: [PJStar.com]
- More CBA questions! If Alexander Radulov returns from the KHL, would he have to clear waivers? [On the Forecheck]
- Ray Emery tried to clear the puck off the boards, but he put the puck right on Matt Cooke's stick with an empty net. Oops: [Puck Daddy]
- Jim Vandermeer fought Todd Fedoruk in a battle of not-good former Flyers: [Flyers Goal Scored By...]
- Will Sean Avery be cut by the Rangers? [Puck Daddy]
- The Senators unveiled their their jerseys: [icethetics]
- Ben found a vid of probably his favorite female tennis player of all time (Elena Dementieva) interviewing the one and only Denis Tolpeko. Worlds be collidin': [YouTube]
- An interesting idea was floated: cut the number of players able to be dressed by NHL teams: [Puck Daddy]
- Another broken leg on an icing call has sparked the debate over touch-up icings once more: [Puck Daddy] and Eric Nystrom suffered unwarranted abuse about it on Twitter: [Puck Daddy]
- Ryan Malone should be getting a call from Brendan Shanahan for a head shot: [Raw Charge] [Puck Daddy]
- As should Alex Edler for his head shot: [Puck Daddy]
- I'm awaiting my copy of Hockey Prospectus, and here's another review of the book. Even those who aren't big advanced stats fans can get tremendous value out of the annual: [Japers' Rink]
- Lastly, Danny Syvret: Offensive Dynamo dominated the A this weekend, racking up TWO goals and an assist for Peoria. Yeah, you know you want to move to Peoria. [Ben Rothenberg]
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TRAVIS OR GEOFF!
Hey do you think if a number of people think it is a good idea could we get game threads for the phillies? I know very little then the basics about baseball so it would be cool to chat during the Phils games with familiar people rather then a community that is head and shoulders above myself. Just a suggestion.
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I think that can be arranged.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 3, 2011 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Cool. I know several of our group already hang out at the Phils sight but maybe some other non baseball people would shoot the shit during the game.
Commenter formerly known as M from Pdaddy, but still just Call Me "M"!
I don’t post on game threads in the postseason at TGP. My superstition spreads across all sports.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
But you wouldn’t be messing with mojo if you commented here regarding the Phils, Right???
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That’s right.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Win-Win! Surprised your are jovial this morning. Tough night for the ball club.
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I’m not jovial, but the Phils didn’t play all that poorly and lost by 1 run. The Cards BP has been horrible all year. They had a BABIP of over .500 last night. I’m hoping Baseba’al will smile down upon the Phils and not allow this travesty to continue.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
And a .600 BABIP off Cliff Lee.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 3, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep. Bottalico on PGL last night was saying Carpenter pitched well but wasn’t getting calls but that Lee didn’t “have his best stuff.” He is so awful. Meanwhile, Coste makes good points and is rational. I want him to unseat RickyBo.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Wasn’t getting calls? Dude. Carpenter was all over the place. Didn’t realize Ricky Bo was in bed with Tony LaRussa.
Better to say a player hit a home run, rather than he "walloped"‘ or "‘blasted"‘ or "cracked" it. Home runs are also homers, but avoid calling them "dingers," "‘jacks," "bombs," "taters" and "four-baggers." Pitchers can pitch two-hitters, but avoid "twirling" or "chucking" or "fireballing." And teams try to reach the World Series instead of the "Fall Classic." In short, avoid hackneyed words and phrases.
-AP World Series Style Guide
by LeepinLizardz on Oct 3, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't getting any calls at all
I mean, everything outside that black box was called a ball.
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Colors others than red and green aren’t going to differentiate well on that scale.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
I know, I kind of hate the multicolor plots, but hopefully people can make out that the only strikes outside the zone for Carpenter were ones where the Phillies swung.
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I got immediately frustrated and was counting on you to explain yourself.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Basically: he had a ton of pitches called balls because…he threw a ton of balls. Only one pitch that was borderline was called a ball, and no clear strikes were.
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he threw a ton of balls
Isn’t that what pitchers do? I don’t get baseball.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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If you chat here for Phils games there will be no BABIP. Cabeesh!
Commenter formerly known as M from Pdaddy, but still just Call Me "M"!
Oh, yes there will. I won’t admonish people, but you’ll learn some advanced stats and be able to hang with the TGP peeps eventually.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
How come no one wants to talk about the Eagles?
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
I really don’t think you need the sarcasm font here.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Maybe I’m just using the “would rather not believe it’s actually true” font.
by hebrew hammer on Oct 3, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. As the only Philadelphia team I actively root against, this season has been funny for me.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
LOL. They can’t even hold a 4th quarter lead against the worst offense in the NFL. Inadequate personnel in some spots but for the most part I blame coaching…from the top down.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Well okay but I need baby steps. What does it stand for?
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Batting Average with Balls in Play. Weak contact producted some dick dribblers and bloopers last night that found holes. It’s how good pitchers like Lee and Halladay often get killed. Lee left a few pitches up, but he wasn’t bad. His advanced metrics showed he really should have only given up 1-2 runs.
Bottom line: you can pitch well and still lose the game. It’s like a goaltender who stands on his head, but a few lucky bounces off the post and he/team loses 3-0.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
My favorite response to BABIP hate from last night:
Line drives obviously are going to fall for hits at a higher rate than fly balls and ground balls are going to do even less damage than fly balls.
There is certainly skill in being able to induce ground balls. The best pitchers K a ton of batters and follow that up with lots of ground ball outs. Lee is capable of that.
When watching last night there were a few times the Cards hit Lee hard. But for the most part it seemed like they kept getting ground balls in the hole or soft looping singles just into the outfield.
I cannot fault a pitcher for inducing a grounder that just happens to hit the hole. That is beyond his skill level to place exactly where a hitter will put the ball in play.
He can make it likely the hitter goes to the left side or the right side of the infield… but is it really the pitcher’s fault that the ball wasn’t a few feet further over where a fielder would have gotten it?
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
If the ball is in play didn’t you hit already? Confused.
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The BABIP question: On the at-bats where you don’t strike out or hit a home run, what was your batting average?
When batters who don’t strike out or hit home runs hit .600 against Cliff Lee, there’s probably a lot of randomly lucky dribblers and bloopers involved.
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So its putting the ball in play but not hitting a home run? It’s batting average not including home runs.
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It’s batting average of balls in play. Strikeouts don’t count, either.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Three true outcomesTM.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
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What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
You trademarked bullet points? Damn, I my company my industry everyone owes you a LOT in royalties.
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Yes, not counting strikeouts either. Average BABIP is .290-.300. If a pitcher has a higher BABIP, like Cliff Lee did last night, they have been unlucky on balls in play. Usually, that means they were either pitching badly and giving up a ton of line drives (Lee wasn’t doing that) or pitching well and giving up unlucky hits that were just not getting reached by the fielders.
Better to say a player hit a home run, rather than he "walloped"‘ or "‘blasted"‘ or "cracked" it. Home runs are also homers, but avoid calling them "dingers," "‘jacks," "bombs," "taters" and "four-baggers." Pitchers can pitch two-hitters, but avoid "twirling" or "chucking" or "fireballing." And teams try to reach the World Series instead of the "Fall Classic." In short, avoid hackneyed words and phrases.
-AP World Series Style Guide
by LeepinLizardz on Oct 3, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m a big proponent of line drive consideration. I’m not convinced that’s luck-based, but either way, Lee wasn’t giving up many of those last night.
Is there any statistical consideration of how men on base effects BABIP? Would Howard have been further off first on the fourth inning singles if Lee hadn’t walked Berkman?
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Yeah, but when a pitcher’s BABIP is unreasonably high, it means a lot of balls in play turn into safe hits, but were probably hit crappily enough that they should’ve been caught by a fielder for an out.
Better to say a player hit a home run, rather than he "walloped"‘ or "‘blasted"‘ or "cracked" it. Home runs are also homers, but avoid calling them "dingers," "‘jacks," "bombs," "taters" and "four-baggers." Pitchers can pitch two-hitters, but avoid "twirling" or "chucking" or "fireballing." And teams try to reach the World Series instead of the "Fall Classic." In short, avoid hackneyed words and phrases.
-AP World Series Style Guide
by LeepinLizardz on Oct 3, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I could have used some fun banter last night. Losing after having a 4-run lead was painful.
Sarauj, Latvija!
It would have at least been non technical.
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I would have brought you some, such as awful umpiring, BABIP and losing even though your starter pitched relatively well.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Jerry Meals was horrendous last night. Round and round she goes, where the strike zone is, nobody knows…
Sarauj, Latvija!
Doesn't seem terrible to me
Looks to me like he pretty consistently didn’t give the high strike, and expanded the outside edge of the plate a little.
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Haha – I should have known better than to bring up a topic that lends itself to statistical analysis on this site!
Sarauj, Latvija!
It was bad enough that TLR was bitching all night and even in the live interview during the game. For the most part, even though it wasn’t a great sz, it was fairly consistent…except for that strike call to Utley. That was pretty bad.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
It was bad timing, sure. He gave one strike above the .75 feet line to each team. I’m not sure when the Phillies was, honestly, but it was a consistent and not unfair SZ. I’m not sure there should be many other burdens on the ump.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
I distracted myself by captioning funny Cliff Lee pics
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by Chemistry66 on Oct 3, 2011 11:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And not friggin studying at all!
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No, I studied. I didn’t come because I realized how far I’d have to drive by myself and I haven’t had a car that long. I’m barely comfortable driving down 295 which is a majority of my route between school and home.
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by Chemistry66 on Oct 3, 2011 11:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Okay I can see that as a reason. And it worked out because of the weather it wouldn’t have been the best meet up to attend.
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horseshit old man, it was a damn good meet up
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 3, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh it was fun but in the past there have been a lot more people and socializing going on. And I am in some serious pain today from all of that running.
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Naproxen…my Dad who suffers from the same affliction as you (no cartilage in his knee) pops those every morning. Still hobbles, but bitches less
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 3, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Either the way, the excuses are BS. First it was, “I have a test”, then it was, “well I have a lot of other work too, it’s just bad timing”, then it was “oh yeah I was GIFing and not working, but realized, well, I didn’t want to make that drive myself”. Only so many excuses before the smell gets too strong to ignore.
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I try not to antagonize Chemm. She gets a little testy and already seems to think I’m an idiot. I am just smoothing this over, you know what I mean. But keep that on the DL.
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Oh I know, I just want to make sure you heard the BS alarm. Most days I don’t think I’d mention it, today I felt like it.
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Such as...
"Simba needs to sharpen his claws" - Ilya Bryzgalov, on Scott Hartnell
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by Chemistry66 on Oct 3, 2011 11:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I know its unconventional but I am 100% on board for no touch icings. Not only is it dangerous for defensemen who are totally vulnerable, but it is a waste of game time while they are chasing the pucks down.
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So when’s the next BSH radio episode? Befote the puck drops on Thursday? Haha
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Yes.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 3, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Sweet, looking forward to it.
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by Mitchell Green on Oct 3, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m excited for open ice. Looking at trying on my skates, and if they fit, getting them sharpened on Columbus day
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 3, 2011 9:05 AM EDT reply actions
It’s coming soon, just have to get some things together.
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there’s nothing more amazing then elbowing someone you just meant in the face to get space
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 3, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I forget who that was, but it was funny.
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My moral code is questionable to say the least
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 3, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Cut Avery?
This move would surprise me a bit. But don’t get me wrong… I would enjoy it if Sean Avery is cut the Rangers and clears waivers.
I don’t think it happens, I think Christensen is the one cut, but it really doesn’t matter..it’s a 13th forward spot they’re battling for.
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by George E. Ays on Oct 3, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’d be stunned if they let go of Avery.But the 13th spot is not that pivotal.
"I repeat we have normality." She turned her microphone off — then turned it back on, with a slight smile and continued: "Anything you still can’t cope with is therefore your own problem."
Yea, but he will be making a ton for a 13th forward. No teams wants their 13th forward to have a $1,937,500!
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by Mitchell Green on Oct 3, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s the Rangers, it’s near the lowest paid forward on the team. Just pretend Stepan makes $1.93m and Avery makes $875k.
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by George E. Ays on Oct 3, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Most of my friends who are Rangers fans not only have been predicting for weeks that he would be cut but they are hoping for it. They say it is clear that Torts is not a fan of him or his antics.
I was surprised to hear it but someone else will pick him up and he’ll be allowed to resume being a douche in the NHL.
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Big doings happening today on BSH. Get excited.
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WHY AREN’T YOU EXCITED.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 3, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Hot tennis babe of the week on BSH???
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Do you really need me to curate this genre for you? Is not Google sufficient?
Mandy Minella. There.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 3, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know the names to google anything.
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I’d wager if you just google “hot tennis babe”, it’ll find something for you.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Mostly at Geoff, but in general:
When Coots is gone, does Schenn get called up, or does Shelley/Rinaldo shift into the lineup? If the latter, any problem with riding Read for a while and giving Schenn some AHL seasoning, then flopping them when Read’s college legs give out?
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
They are really looking at read if they are gonna let him play 22 minutes in a preseason game. That or they are shopping him.
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For a sixth rounder? What’s the return on a mid-twenties prospect who has yet to play a regular season game?
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Not sure, but why give a “mid-twenties prospect who has yet to play a regular season game” almost 22 minutes of ice time in the final preseason game. They like what they see or someone else likes what they see.
Commenter formerly known as M from Pdaddy, but still just Call Me "M"!
They want to see him as much as possible to know if he’s actually an NHL player? They like what they see insofar as he could be a viable roster player. This is little incentive for any team in the league to give up assets for that coming up of preseason.
So, you’re right that he’s getting a look, but my argument was based on Read already making the team. And if Read is in a trade, he’s not the centerpiece, and giving 22 preseason minutes to prospect ancillary to the trade purpose is unlikely to increase your bargaining position.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Okay I’m rolling with ya. I am only thinking that if Read is in play for a bigger deal they might have given him more minutes to show what he can do because of his small experience history. Just throwing it out there. I actually think he has handled the minutes he has been given pretty well so far. Not opposed to him getting Shelley’s spot for a couple of games. But after suspension Shelley is on this team and getting his spot for the season.
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I honestly have no idea. The team could use Talbot as 3C.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 3, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
If he has Nodl and Simmonds as his wingers, what about Betts as 3C?
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by A Flyers Phamily on Oct 3, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I can get behind that, though it’s not optimal.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 3, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, but with the personnel we have currently I’d rather send Betts out there against tough competition than Schenn.
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by A Flyers Phamily on Oct 3, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
You can still do that, in certain situations. I’m just not sure if Betts can handle the added time/O zone work that comes with centering Simmonds and Nodl. I think he’s more of a bail out guy than a guy that you have play top competition all night hoping for a draw or better.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
That was actually my thinking too. I know Betts has shown that he isn’t capable of shutting down top 6 competition but would he improve if he was being supported by Nodl and Simmonds on the wings?
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by Mitchell Green on Oct 3, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I would try it until it’s proven it doesn’t work. In my head I think it could work, but what do I know? I would make the lines differently from what has been hinted in the preseason games, so I must not have the slightest idea how to use these guys.
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by A Flyers Phamily on Oct 3, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Talbot is not a third line quality center
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 3, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
In response to Friday’s question, I got JVR in the 17th round (198th overall) in my draft last night. ESPN buried him really low in their rankings (below Schenn and Voracek), and only two people in my league are Flyers fans, so he was under the radar and I was able to wait until late to get him.
I also used a late pick to get Schenn. Couturier went undrafted. So if Couturier makes the roster and Schenn doesn’t, I’ll just swap them. Easy.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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I would think you were trying to win the league????
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I am resisting talking draft strategy till after the BSH drafts tonight….
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
Nope, Champions league. And last year was my first hockey league / fantasy league, so I am being super paranoid about the draft. I did more damage on the waiver wire last year than on the actual draft.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
Always what ends up happening. It’s all about waiver pick-ups.
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by Mitchell Green on Oct 3, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I lucked out last year, I was hockey starved and had center Ice, I picked up Cam Fowler, Mark Staal, and Jeff Skinner in the first 2 weeks of the season. Just on enjoying how they played the game. (That and Cam Fowler just had the perfect name for being on the Ducks, I will fully admit to picking him up on the name alone.)
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
I have a history of randomly grabbing some prospect late in the draft who ends up being one of my best players. So I went for Schenn. If it works out, great. If not, he was one of my last picks, so I’m not worried about it being wasted. Anybody I “passed up” to get him is in the FA pool now.
I am a little concerned about my goaltending situation though. I didn’t do my due diligence on scouting, and there are injuries I didn’t know about.
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I drafted Bobby Butler with my last pick. I was between him and Cam Atkinson.
by tinmansstory on Oct 3, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
One Yahoo writer is predicting we’ll miss the playoffs:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=capress-hkn_teams_to_watch-10063260
But he also predicts the Predators will miss the playoffs, while Puck Father says they’ll hit 100 points and challenge for the division title. On the other hand, the Puck Daddy article is “20 bold predictions”, so who knows if they’re intended to be serious.
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Daudz laimes (I’m assuming this means Happy Birthday, I saw everyone else write it on your wall on FB, if it’s something offensive and you have a ton of people that hate you, I apologize and wish you no ill will!), LVHokejs!!!
Hope you have a great day dude.
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Haha, yes, it means Happy Birthday in Latvian. Thanks!
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Sarauj, Latvija!
Awesome. This time you could have him sign the Oskars the Grouch shirt. Or if you don’t want to get a silver sharpie I could send you an 8×10 of it on white to print.
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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 3, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Late to this thread, but Happy Birthday. And I look forward to those clearly focused pics of our Wolf, but we appreciated the blurry ones just as much.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 3, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Travis- I like the name of your new daily column!
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I missed it. What is it?
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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 3, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
And why didn’t Geoff show some love for it in today’s links?
(Interesting article, btw, Travis!)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 3, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Mark Scheifele has been a lot more impressive in preseason than Couturier, and the Oilers have a lot more openings in their lineup than the Flyers, and yet Arctic Ice doesn’t think Scheifele should be in the NHL.
Discuss.
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I think Arctic Ice is smarter than the Philly Media?
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
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by boknows71 on Oct 3, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The issue I take with the line of reasoning is the projection of contracts 7 years from now.
For instance, sure it seems like a mistake to start the clock on someone like Tavares, but then the Isles bought out two of his UFA years already, and have him fairly cost controlled at $5.5m. Had they started the clock 1-2 years later, I’m not sure they really save all that much money in the long run. There are a lot of ‘what ifs’ involved, but with an extra year of development, what’s to say he wouldn’t already be a 80 point guy, thus commanding more than $5.5m with his deal.
I get it with a guy who might take longer to develop, but if a kid can be a strong player at a young age, I don’t think having to pay him an extra million or two down the line as creating a significant deterrent.
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by George E. Ays on Oct 3, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
So then…
1) Team plays him at 18
2) He’s not ready
3) He doesn’t play well
4) Sign him to long, cheap extension
5) Profit
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Well, that’s also a possibility. Chances are if 1-2-3 happen, then 4 is actually ‘send him back to his junior team and let his ELC slide anyway.’
On your actual 4 though, it’s just really, really hard to predict both what a player will sign for, i.e. will he be like Turris and holdout irrationally, or will he be a guy who takes a ‘hometown discount’ to help build a young team. The general argument about sliding ELCs is “he’ll definitely sign for alot more money later on,” which I think assumes too much.
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by George E. Ays on Oct 3, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
crap..got interrupted and lost a thought there…. both what a player will sign for and how productive he’ll actually be.
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by George E. Ays on Oct 3, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I the only one that doesn’t really see where Matt Read fits onto this team? Are they going to replace Nodl with him?
Bottom six:
Read/Nodl-Schenn/Couturier-Simmonds
Talbot-Betts-Nodl/Rinaldo/Shelley
That’s where he fits, but the question is whether that’s a good fit.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
I could almost see Read-Nodl-Simmonds working as a cheap third line. Avoid the high cap hit for Schenn, give Cooter a few games here or there without going over the slide, but use those cheap guys as much as possible.
Bob.
by The Dark on Oct 3, 2011 12:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No one on that line takes faceoffs. Kinda key for a shut-down third line.
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Wait are we gonna start that already? Is the third line shut down or scoring?
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Can’t it be both?
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They don’t not score? They just aren’t very good at it.
I could amend to “key for a useful third line, given Briere’s limitations,” but you’re joking, so this doesn’t really matter much.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
I used to argue this point as a matter of our backlog of centers. And it was always my reason for trading Carter that Richards was the best third line center since Poulin. And Briere and Giroux were 1 and 2 respectively. But now the the order goes:
Briere
Giroux
???
Betts
I always work from center out when creating lines. Does Talbot need to be the 3rd line center? I believe he played that roll for the Pens????
Cooter and Schenn shouldn’t even sniff this line up this year. Which I was hoping would not have been the case for Schenn.
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Talbot’s been a fourth line center, but when he was in the top 9 it was almost always on the wing.
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Okay, well maybe he is the best 3rd center option for this team right now.
So the lines should be:
Briere – Hartnell – Voracek
Giroux – Jagr – Simmonds
Talbot – Nodl – ????
Betts – Shelley – Read
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You don’t think JVR moves Simmonds down to the third line?
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
FUCK! Forgot all about JVR.
Briere – Hartnell – Voreck
Giroux – Jagr – JVR
Schenn – Simmonds – Talbot
Betts – Shelley – Read
I am going Read cause I am tired of Nodl. Sorry Don!
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All this gets weird when Jagr hits the wall and his season is in the shit can. Who gets that wing position??
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Simmonds by default I would think, with Nodl/Read replacing him on the 3rd line.
Unless they can somehow wiggle Jagr onto LTIR, which might open the door for Cooter/a trade.
by philiafan14364 on Oct 3, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
In the offseason, I would agreed with you. Now, I think Schenn has to learn to play the defensive center role on the job and at a very young age. All other options seem to suck more.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Well put!
So the third line is:
Schenn – Nodl – Talbot
Are those two guys strong enough to overcome Schenn’s inevitable hiccups?
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My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
As of now (45min before supposed draft time) I am totally clueless as to whats going on in there. The admins didnt set the draft time and looks like the draft is postponed to another day.
This team will be the death of me.
I was wondering the same thing…what in the world?
Better to say a player hit a home run, rather than he "walloped"‘ or "‘blasted"‘ or "cracked" it. Home runs are also homers, but avoid calling them "dingers," "‘jacks," "bombs," "taters" and "four-baggers." Pitchers can pitch two-hitters, but avoid "twirling" or "chucking" or "fireballing." And teams try to reach the World Series instead of the "Fall Classic." In short, avoid hackneyed words and phrases.
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by LeepinLizardz on Oct 3, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh. Now the draft is tomorrow at 7. I arranged my schedule to be here tonight at 8. I’ll be missing it now. Great.
Better to say a player hit a home run, rather than he "walloped"‘ or "‘blasted"‘ or "cracked" it. Home runs are also homers, but avoid calling them "dingers," "‘jacks," "bombs," "taters" and "four-baggers." Pitchers can pitch two-hitters, but avoid "twirling" or "chucking" or "fireballing." And teams try to reach the World Series instead of the "Fall Classic." In short, avoid hackneyed words and phrases.
-AP World Series Style Guide
by LeepinLizardz on Oct 3, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha. Now it’s Wednesday at 7:30. Much better for me.
…and Black Tier 2 will get to see how everyone else drafted. LOL. I’m in ur fantasee leeg, steelin’ ur draffed strategy.
Better to say a player hit a home run, rather than he "walloped"‘ or "‘blasted"‘ or "cracked" it. Home runs are also homers, but avoid calling them "dingers," "‘jacks," "bombs," "taters" and "four-baggers." Pitchers can pitch two-hitters, but avoid "twirling" or "chucking" or "fireballing." And teams try to reach the World Series instead of the "Fall Classic." In short, avoid hackneyed words and phrases.
-AP World Series Style Guide
by LeepinLizardz on Oct 3, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Make a looong list of players. Make it longer. Longer. Twenty teams and sixteen rounds is a LOT of players.
Bob.
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Just hoping he gets some ice time! He needs to eat some rich Latvian foods and bulk up a bit. He’s really lean for a D-man.
Sarauj, Latvija!
I am just hoping he stays healthy. Seems like he has to deal with some freak injury every year.
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by Mitchell Green on Oct 3, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Gord Miller:
Not pointing fingers, but history shows that the vast majority of teams keeping 18 year olds in the lineup are making an enormous mistake.
For every Crosby who thrives, there are many who don’t. No one’s development was damaged by spending too much time in jr, college or AHL.
Discuss.
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Couturier gets 5 games while Shelley is suspended or Schenn is hurt. Schenn should start in the AHL during that time. Then send Couturier back to the Q and only bring him back if Schenn gets hurt again. Couturier should not spend the full year in the NHL under any circumstances.
Let Couturier beat up on kids younger than him for as long as possible so he turns into a stud like Matt Read.
by hebrew hammer on Oct 3, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed! I still think JVR would be better if he spent that first year in the AHL. Especially coming from College.
The only thing I disagree with is the college part. Not that college is not a good training ground it still is not hockey as a lifestyle the way juniors and AHL are.
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I think keeping him up at all is a mistake. I think he needs another year dominating, and honestly I think Schenn is getting a bad pre-season rap for playing the role he’s going to be asked to play during the season, he’s obviously spend the pre-season trying to play a tough D assignment as much as possible.
People are going to call Schenn a bust all year for not putting up big numbers.
They will call for Couturier even though we are over on Contracts and I would rather see him flex what he can at World Juniors.
Between camp and WJC, if we gave him a 9 game stint, he might not even hit Juniors till January and thats just as bad for development, basically trying to gel with a teams a good 1/3rd of the way into the season. His production and confidence could suffer if he doesn’t gel immediatly.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
Not sure about that logic. Didn’t Schenn rip up the WHL after staying with LA and going to World Juniors?
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 3, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Schenn in the last 3 years in the WHL:
1.25 PPG, 1.68 PPG, 1.77 PPG
Big Jump after his first Kings Camp and WJC, leveled off the next year. Also played for the Kings, World Juniors, and 3 different WHL teams last year, and yeah I think that probably hurt his development arc.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
Are you sure? I’ve got his 2010-11 WHL regular season stats as 57 points in 29 games or 1.97 PPG which is a fairly strong jump from 1.68 PPG…
Source: http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/s/schenbr01.html
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 4, 2011 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Used a different source, I used his bio on the Flyers site and did the math over his 3 seperate teams based off that. Yours is probably more accurate.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
The comment from Holmgren that jumped out at me was the one he made about wanting to keep Couturier with the club for as long as possible because practices and everything are at a different pace and he’ll take those work habits back with him.
It had me wondering if they want to spread his 9 game tryout over the first 1/3 of the season or something so he can practice with the big boys a lot. Maybe they think that’s worth more to his development than dominating 17 year old Canadian kids. Maybe they even worry he’ll pick up bad habits coasting through those games. Maybe (warning: irresponsible speculation coming) that’s something they’ve been concerned with from Schenn so far.
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I remember reading the same thing, and that does seem like their plan. I don’t see how they keep him on the roster with that cap hit, as a healthy scratch if Schenn is there too, unless Shelley is waived.
by hebrew hammer on Oct 3, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely and completely 100% agree with this.
While Couturier has overachieved in regards to my expectations this preseason, I firmly believe that Couturier is not ready to play in the NHL. He still has a few things to work on and, as that quote says, he would benefit from another year (as least) in Juniors working on the technicals aspects of his game (i.e. his skating) and focusing on bulking up. He is 18 years old! There is no need to rush him into the NHL and potentially stall his development.
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by Mitchell Green on Oct 3, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
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