Tuesday Morning Fly By: Somebody Would Draft Matt Cooke, It Might As Well Be Me
by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2011 6:00 AM EDT
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Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...
- Jaromir Jagr is a "shot in the dark", so says Paul Holmgren: [Philly Sports Daily]
- Jakub Voracek hasn't scored this preseason, so he needs to keep shooting: [CSNPhilly]
- Looking at the roster battles: [HockeyBuzz.com]
- The Flyers are looking to Max Talbot for leadership: [Daily News]
- Wondering if Brayden Schenn will make the team: [CSNPhilly]
- But apparently Schenn is the odds-on favorite to win the Calder: [Puck Daddy]
- Predicting the 2011-12 roster: [Down Goes Spezza] [Philly Sports Daily]
- Anthony SanFilippo with some drama: "Six-and-a-half years later, that same goalie is being asked to save a franchise." He is? [delcotimes.com]
- The Phantoms are down to 25 players, plus those who join them by 3 p.m. tomorrow: [PostStar.com]
- Future Flyers Weekly Report, starring Niko Hovinen and Nick Cousins: [Flyers Faithful]
- Hovinen was named 2nd star of the week: [euroflyers]
- Arguing that Mike Richards and Jeff Carter were traded because the Flyers were worried about long-term deals, unless it's a goalie. Then they are fine: [Broad Street Buzz]
- A good story - first part, anyway - on the Flyers series against the Soviet Union: [The Hockey Guys]
- In Travis' first "Morning Skate", NHL realignment should factor in television interests with regards to Canada: [SBNation.com]
- Looking at how bad the Hurricanes goalies have been for years, and wondering why they didn't get a better one: [Brodeur is a Fraud]
- While he's right, I'm not sure pointing out the flaws in Corsi Rel before people accept Corsi as meaningful is a good idea: [Driving Play]
- Previewing the Eastern Conference: [Down Goes Brown]
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Buffalo Sabres: Ville Leino and Christian Ehrhoff should provide the Sabres with production at a fraction of the cost of similar players, in the sense that 3/2 is technically a fraction.
Ahh DGB you never fail to amuse.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 4, 2011 7:03 AM EDT reply actions
On the topic of rookies
I’ve been fairly impressed by Adam Larsson. Hope he hates playing in Newark and demands a trade out of the division soon.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 4, 2011 7:22 AM EDT reply actions
Philadelphia Flyers: Finally solved their goaltending problem once and for all, in the sense that their problem was that fans weren’t sure which goaltender to blame for destroying their salary cap.
For possibly the first time in Flyers history, I think the Flyers fans actually felt fine with Bobs, it was the coaches and Snider that were up in arms and demanded changes be made.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
The same coaches and GM that burnt Bob out by overplaying him.
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Right. But like I said, it wasn’t the fans that were calling for a new goalie. Most fans seemed good with Bob. Even when he struggled a bit down the stretch because those of us who were paying attention knew it was because Bob was tired. Which is natural making the transition that he did.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
though technically, he overplayed himself. He wanted to do it, they let him do it
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Giving up isn't an option
That’s the way pro athletes are. That’s why teams employee coaches and trainers. So that they can make intelligent and unemotional decisions.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
well they screwed it up that time. I kinda feel like it was the little kid that everyone thinks is cute that wants candy, so they gave in and gave him the candy because the onlookers said they should
Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
Giving up isn't an option
I’m not sure what the rationale was for overworking him. The Flyers were going to finish in the top 4, they had a capable backup, so it’s not like there was a huge drop off in talent between Bobs and Boosh. They could have given him a rest and it may have helped.
Now, how the goalie situation was handled in the playoffs is something that honestly, I think Lavy should have been fired for. But whatever, that’s another discussion entirely.
At the end of the day I would have been happy with Bob as the starting goalie and Richie and Carter still here. Or, if they really had to go since it was supposedly not about cap space then I would still have been fine with Bob and the haul that Richie and Carter brought back.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
We could have traded Richie and Carter and still signed a stud 3rd winger like Gagne. That $7M on goaltending is such poor cap management it’s a wonder how they think it’s a good idea.
by hebrew hammer on Oct 4, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Gagne at what price?
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 4, 2011 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s saying we could have, not that we should have. Gagne at 7 mil is an over payment. Like drafting him 13th overall…but no one would ever do that.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
It started well, then meh. I didn’t give people enough credit in what they would pick. I knew Geoff would take players I was sitting on, and planned for it, but didn’t think there would be 2 others doing the same. My last 3 picks were horrendous, but they are all going to be weekly waiver move type of players anyway.
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was that an under the radar stick tap in my direction?
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 4, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
You definitely screwed me with that one.
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btw I’m trying to trade Hornqvist if anyone is interested
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 4, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it’s one thing to have one guy you expect to blow up your board, but 2-3, that’s frustrating.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Yeah I had 3 picks that I was completely unprepared for.
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:)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope I am to blame for at least one of those Don.
Also, after sleeping on it I forgive Geoff for drafting Matt Cooke. As once he gets suspended for another blatent hit Geoff will toss him like a dirty used napkin.
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Depends how long of a suspension it is.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
You are to blame for everyone, you and Geoff were the constants, then there would be that random 3rd.
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I’m glad. I’m getting better.
You would laugh at my starting team from last year.
Gomez, and… I don’t even remember, were my starting centers.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
Though I really should have given people more credit and ranked my players according to actual worth as opposed to where I thought you knuckle heads would draft them.
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looking at last years draft is fun!
I got JVR at 295th.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
now that the draft is over want to know my super secret draft strategy?
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Taking Perry with your 1st pick was bad and gave me a false sense of security, but sure, what was your strategy.
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put all my ranking up by position, making sure I took logical top 6 for each team into consideration.
Then made RW and G a priority.
Took Perry at 4 because the dropoff from Perry/St. Louis/Ignilia seemed way more drastic than any other position (and no way any of those 3 were dropping down to ~40th pick in my opinion.)
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
made drafting easier too, because if I had a position I was shooting for I could just scroll down to that section… if a pick got grabbed from under me, I knew what positions were taking priority. The only thing that really F’d me was when they changed so many wings to LW,RW. it F’d up my wings ranking pretty bad if i wasn’t paying attention.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
I thought you picked 3rd. But regardless, I kind of figured if you picked him you were picking RW’s.
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your right I did pick at 3…
Yeah, we will see how it works out… Sedin available at 5 was just silly. But I don’t value Ovechkin as high as some. With this league set up it might be a good idea though. LW talent pool is excellent. I was pretty upset when Kane went as high as he did, he was my “I am taking him way higher than I should” pick. Him and Hiller.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
Sedin available at 5 was just silly.
:) I know, right?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I try to find players other people don’t value. You took players I wanted really high. I really didn’t think they would go that quickly, specifically Hiller.
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I don’t trust my ability at valueing backup goalies so I wanted to steal 2 starters before they all dissapeared.
I was afraid I wasn’t the only one that remembered Hiller was having a monster season before he passed out. I def. think he’s probably the most overlooked goalie. Getting Quick too was just butter.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
When I grabbed Howard, I had him ranked higher than Hiller.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I figured most people would not have Hiller as high up on the radar as he probably should be. And thought he may slip to me the next round. The round he took Myers is the round I had targeted him in, but oh well.
It worked out for some players, others, meh.
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I took Vokoun early, then remembered Neuvirth would probably get a few starts so cleverly took Nabokov. Steal of the draft!
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Geoff got Nabby, I already ahd Lehts and Ward, but considered taking Nabby because I figured Geoff had him on his list; it’s a very Geoff move.
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Yeah I obviously draft oddly. I have a good feeling about Myers. Would have grabbed Kane too early too if I hadn’t been beat to it. I have way too many Ducks on my team for not following them AT ALL.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
I had one horrible pick, that I clicked draft on the wrong player (player I wanted was taken shortly after), I corrected it the next round, but I was pretty pissed at myself. I’ll see if you can guess who it was.
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I never got to edit my team last year because Yahoo wouldn’t let me log into it; but the 3 goalies it drafted for me played less than 50 games combined in the NHL last year. It was pretty messed up.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 4, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Plekanec and Connelly for me.
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I missed my first 3 picks (4th overall) but was pretty happy with H. Sedin, D. Byfuglien, and J. Howard.
2nd goalie is a tad weak with Mike Smith but a lot of promise with Jonas Gustavsson as my 3rd.
by Ant on Oct 4, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
We’re talking last year. You think Gus has value even if Reimer stays healthy?
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It’s better value then most of the backups that were available at the time. I mean theres still plenty to pick from (Emery, Biron) in the league if I needed a filler but I’m good with Gus.
by Ant on Oct 4, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
i just realized the joke in this
LOLs were had
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 4, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
The last time someone mismanaged a cap like that they beat the Flyers for a Stanley Cup! Oh well!
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They mismanaged their cap with a bunch of guys, not one like the Flyers.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
So we are only whining about one guy? Come on man that is like spilled milk.
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It’s not one guy. The Flyers lost two of their best players because of that guy. Supposedly.
And not only is it one guy, it’s one guy they didn’t need.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
It is a change in Philosophy. Let’s see if having this guy evens out the loss and gets us further before we say its a bust. Besides we have no choice.
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Well I’ll certainly see how it goes, because like you said, we have no choice. But just as a matter of perspective, I don’t see how our Self Anointed Savior is worth what Richie and Carter provided. Chemistry and attitude problems aside.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
That is absolutely wrong way of thinking. And the training staff through the GM has to know the players and their conditioning and gas levels. You can not let this group off the hook.
And by the way Happy Birthday!
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as a whole? maybe, but I know I had Flyers fans bitching in my ear about how Bob wasn’t ready, played shitty, etc
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 4, 2011 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Just because I don’t know when does all the decisions on roster have to be finalized?
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Normally, I read the comments on CSNPhilly to see what other people are saying and generally laugh, but the one had a good point about ELCs and how they can break careers. If Schenn’s cap hit was half of what it is, like Couturier’s, I don’t think there would be any discussion about him being in the AHL to start the season.
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So you’re saying I have a chance?
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Your RW’s are very solid, and you have Hank like Snevik said. Most teams are eh in a 20 team league anyway, so yeah, you have a chance. And head to head helps because you never know what will happen in one week.
I have no idea why they changed it to head to head when they instituted promotion relegation though.
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Because head-to-head is fun, much funner than rotisserie.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree, but now that we set up a tier system, and I finally got used to the ridiculous point system you set up last year, I’m frustrated it’s gone.
If there wasn’t promotion/relegation, I’d completely agree, I normally hate rotisserie.
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What is promotion/relegation?
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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 4, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
if you don’t finish top ten you get bumped down to one of the non-champion leagues.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
Ahhhhh
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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 4, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
We should really do auction next year, and put our fake money where our cap-bitching mouths are.
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SBN is in a cap-league. Derek Zona started it.
I missed the first 5 rounds, and of course I auto-drafted Eric Staal ($8.25m), Dan Boyle ($6.67m), Brian Gionta ($5m), and Brooks Laich ($4.5m). I’m still trying to get out from under that.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Find your Dale Tallon.
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I know. I already got rid of Gionta, next is Laich.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Please tell me it was to Litterbox Cats.
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It was not, sadly.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Funny, I thought next was Michalek.
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by George E. Ays on Oct 4, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
haha, now that’s funny.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’m just not trying hard enough yet.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
You’ll win SOG every week, and Hank isn’t enough to save a goaltending tandem when paired with RIchie D.
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Fantasy Draft
I was an hour late to the draft and still managed to draft one of the Sedins Rather impressive, i must say. lol.
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So JVR was drafted 47th in BSH Tier 2 Orange, right before chumps like Marleau, M. Richards, Semin, Nash and Sharp.
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Samsies. Richards was probably early too, but JVR would have to put up 80 points to be worth taking over the rest of those guys
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I don’t think JVR’s point total will expand that much, but I"m projecting HUGE gains in PIM and +/-.
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That’s crazy early.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
And I was the one who snagged Rick Nash later in the same round. My last pick was LaBarbera, because Mike Smith.
Bob.
by The Dark on Oct 4, 2011 12:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
-I’m older than everyone in the major leagues. Except for Jamie Moyer.
-Aw, yeah, that’s crazy old!
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I almost didn’t get any Flyers players because they were all drafted absurdly high. I took Lilja at the end just for funsies
I grabbed Briere and Meszaros. I’m hoping Pronger is relatively healthy so Andrej can continue getting ridiculous mismatches.
Bob.
by The Dark on Oct 4, 2011 12:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But apparently Schenn is the odds-on favorite to win the Calder
Just so everyone is clear:
Schenn was given 3:1 odds against winning the Calder. This made him the favorite, but not the odds-on favorite — “odds-on” means worse than 1:1 odds, and distinguishes the unusual super-favorites from run-of-the-mill favorites. Using “odds-on favorite” the way Puck Daddy — and then Geoff — did renders it tautological.
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A) I didn’t read the story; B) I simply typed the headline; C) I have no idea about gambling.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure from what Eric posts here, they have his photo up in security offices in Vegas.
Something about him always giggling and muttering about them only using 8 decks, and something about chumps….
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
So far I haven’t agreed with anyone’s potential rosters, either opening day or down the road. My hockey eyes are obviously skewed. I guess I should just get some stats and build lines that way.
That last statement, by the way, was a bit sarcastic.
Often wrong, but never in doubt.
by A Flyers Phamily on Oct 4, 2011 9:16 AM EDT reply actions
I’m getting the feeling that i went goalies too early
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 4, 2011 9:33 AM EDT reply actions
Goalies count for what? 4 or 5 categories?
I see ’em as being pretty darn important for there only being 30 starters.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
that’s my thinking too. We’ll see if it pays off
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 4, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
It is very important in head to head leagues, and in ours they count for 5 out of the 12 categories. In fact, they’re so important in leagues this size that I was quite tempted on drafting 3 starters (more so to f over someone else).
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it was a temptation, but once I had 2 I wanted to make sure my team stayed balanced
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
Yeah, but I’m a pretty big jerk, and really just wanted to screw someone over.
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I’m sure you screwed someone over.
Not like CCB though. You took Lucic 6 picks before me, you sir, are a cock.
which hurt me more than any other pick in the draft.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
Pts, PIMS, and good +/-
pretty much a no brainer
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 4, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I would wish bad things upon his +/-, but I took Krejci so that wouldn’t help me much.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
my original thought was to draft 3 starters and the highest PIM guys in the league, hopefully guaranteeing me at least a tie every week
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 4, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I got one in the first and the fourth. I took it as them having half the games on their shoulders so there was no such thing as too early.
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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 4, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll have to look when I grabbed Conklin, but I think it was 1st, 6th, and 16th round goalies for me.
Bob.
by The Dark on Oct 4, 2011 4:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tier 2 League
If Crosby ever comes back I’ll run this league…unless of course we count defense and right wing…at which point I’m screwed.
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So it looks like Avery is being waived, according to Larry Brooks’ twitter.
I guess now he can go apply for that full time position at Vogue.
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This is something I’m actually very curious about… it creates a crazy CBA situation I haven’t seen before, and I want to see how it ends up.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 4, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Because the Stars are still paying for some of his salary?
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Exactly. 1.9M of his cap hit is carried by the Stars. Does that money stay on the Stars cap if he’s waived and sent to Europe? You might think it would stay on their cap, but I’m not completely sure (I’m working on it). But the Stars have to keep an eye out, because with their current roster via CapGeek, they’ll drop below the floor if Avery comes off. That isn’t the final roster they’ve submitted yet, but it could be interesting.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 4, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
And imagine what happens if he gets called back up and claimed on re-entry waivers. Does the claiming team get the Stars’ fraction of his salary, or the Rangers’ half, or half of each, or half of the Rangers’ half, or what?
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Whether he is correct or not I don’t know, but the ‘half of the Rangers half’ is what Larry Brooks is speculating. Take that with however many grains of salt you want to
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 4, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
My understanding:
If he’s claimed on these waivers, the Stars and the new team are responsible for 1/2 and 1/2.
If he is claimed by re-entry waivers, the Stars are off the hook, and the Rangers and the new team are then responsible for the 1/2 and 1/2.
I have no idea what happens if he goes to Europe.
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by George E. Ays on Oct 4, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Awww. I prefer to think on re-entry waivers, the Stars would get half, the Rangers would get 1/4, and the new team would get 1/4. And then he could get waived and re-entry waived again and someone could pay 1/8 of his salary.
Do it a few more times and you’d finally get to a cap hit that I’d be willing to pay.
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I think it’d be awesome if every team did it, and someone has to pay 1/536870912th of his salary, or $0.007
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by George E. Ays on Oct 4, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
“I dunno Ed, do you really think he’s worth it? Let’s see if someone else will give him a second shot this time, maybe we can get him for $0.0035 next time around.”
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I’m like 80% sure this is what happens.
Here’s my question: does Avery still get full money? E.G. Is his new team paying 1/4 of his original SPC and the Stars are off the hook because the new team and NYR are splitting the 1.9 mil price tag? Or is he getting full SPC amount, of which NYR is paying 1.9mil regardless, and the new team would pay the 1.9mil as well?
In which case, why would anyone claim him on re-entry? If you want Avery, get him on the way down.
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He gets 100% of his Paragraph 1 salary, no matter how it’s divided up between teams actually paying it. S whether it’s paid 1.9 by the stars, 1M by NYR and 1M by team C, or two teams split the 1.9 each, he still gets the money.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 4, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
So if we’re operating under the assumption NYR is splitting with only one other team, waiving him makes sense, since he’s effectively immune to re-entry.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
I didn’t even think of it that way, but that’s a pretty good point.
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by George E. Ays on Oct 4, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re also curious about it because you didn’t plan ahead and set up an autodraft list, and Yahoo drafted Avery for you.
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by The Dark on Oct 4, 2011 12:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No one tell Homer!
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by Chemistry66 on Oct 4, 2011 11:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No one tell Homer!
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by Chemistry66 on Oct 4, 2011 11:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Stupid phone double posting
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by Chemistry66 on Oct 4, 2011 11:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would vomit.
Then I would sell my season tickets and not watch another game until he was gone from the organization.
I’m dead serious when I say this.
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He also speculated that Walker might be injured again, since he’s not there & he had a maintenance day Sunday
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 4, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Well given what Leino signed for, I’m not upset with him not being here.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I plan to unfairly compare him to Derek Roy.
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by Chemistry66 on Oct 4, 2011 12:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We can waive Shelley even if he’s on suspension right? Just if someone claims him he’d have to serve the suspension with him and if not then if we ever wanted to call him back up he’d serve it before being able to play?
Such an albatross of a contract/useless player.
Is the extra 400K really an albatross? You would need to pay a fighter regardless. You paid a little money for an experienced one is all. Paying an unknown quantity in JVR could be the worst contract in the history of the team behind Chris Gratton.
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It is because Shelley is flat out a liability for the few minutes he plays each game and he really isn’t a good fighter.
He is not the best but far from the worst heavyweight. And you need a heavyweight.
//coins dropping into the fun machine//
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There are so many false premises in that comment that it’s not even worth addressing point-by-point.
/slight hyperbole’d
Bob.
by The Dark on Oct 4, 2011 12:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Was carter really that good on faceoffs?? I hardly remember.
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it’s Sarah Baicker, just ignore
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 4, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
legit in what way?
that Elvis is still alive and living in Graceland’s basement legit?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 4, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
She was repeating something @kausatoday said.
What do you think of Nick Kypreos, because he confirmed the waiver bit?
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you wouldn’t believe what I just heard M!
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 4, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll tell you if it comes true or not! But please, keep giving me attention
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 4, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
ill tell you if it comes true!
if it turns out to be false, dont expect me to be held accountable!
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 4, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s fine and dandy
I’m still waiting for the OMG if what i heard is true this is the biggest trade ever! tweet to come to fruition
sensationalism is a fun bit, that’s why i discredit every single thing she has to say
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 4, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, now I want to cry. That’s maddening.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 4, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
My luck I’d break my hand or something and not be able to work. For me, a desire to cry means I’m way past being angry; I’m defeated.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 4, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Then the fiance is definitely watching TV in the other room.
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He just left, actually. If he was home he’d probably be in the kitchen locking away all the knives….
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 4, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Shit...
Sean Avery’s on waivers and so’s Betts…
SOMEONE GO TIE HOMER UP AND KEEP HIM AWAY FROM TECHNOLOGY!
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According to Kypreos...
Walker (He needs one) is on waivers…
And the Latvian Wolf! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Travis just corrected...
Was Renaud Lavoie, another reporter who said these last two.
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Im guessing Nodl-Talbot-Rinaldo as the 4th line? Not too bad really. Nodl is kinda like a younger Betts, Talbot is like a younger Lappy, and Rinaldo is just a much better Shelley
I love Betts, but I’m not going to say losing him is going to be a key difference in our success this season.
He has been injury prone, for sure. But other people are going to need to step up in the faceoff and PK department. Faceoffs and PK are not good weaknesses to have.
Simmonds has had his PK time decreased dramatically each year, with a grand total of 6:40 played shorthanded in 2010-11. His combined SH ice time for the past 3 seasons is just over half of what Betts played last year alone, so that doesn’t scream PK specialist to me. Sure he’ll be fine if he’s in a supporting role, but I wouldn’t consider him ready to be an anchor of it.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 4, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
No other forward provided as much value for the dollar defensively as Betts, I think relying on a lot of rookies to run our PK is going to bite us in the ass.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 4, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
As I said before, This year, I’m just going with the flow. I’ve decided to pass my judgment on future roster moves until at least mid-season.
by JpH89 on Oct 4, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Betts is probably better than everybody on that 4th line. I hate this team so much.
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Interesting spin on Schenn.
Schenn can only get $1.4 of his bonus if he plays all 82 games. By starting with the Phantoms, he can’t get that bonus. Shouldn’t that change his cap hit from day one, or does it not matter?
I know there’s no bonus cushion this year, but I would have guessed the fact that it was impossible to make that bonus before he even plays with the team would alter his cap hit.
That’s rather silly.
Yeah, I might be wrong here. See the newer thread. I’m just going to let DragonGirl respond to these things from now on.
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Haha, I don’t fault you for trying. I’m not always available when people need me, since I’m off the grid the days I work.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 4, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
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