Friday Morning Fly By: Is That Banner Ceremony Over Yet?
by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2011 6:01 AM EDT
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Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...
- Recaps: [BSH] [CSNPhilly] [delcotimes.com] [Inquirer] [Daily News] [Philly Sports Daily] [Flyers Faithful] [NHL Hot Stove
- So the Bruins did that whole "imitate the Stanley Cup passing" last night: [Puck Daddy] [NHL.com]
- Hey, Mike Milbury's dumb. But prepare for "Flyers would not have won this game last year" quotes all season: [Arctic Ice Hockey]
- Predictions for the season: [Hockey Prospectus] [CSNPhilly] [NHL.com] [Puck Daddy]
- Hey, the Flyers have a lot of rookies. They want to be awesome: [Philly Sports Daily]
- Travis helped compile the links, and in the notes he writes: "So what the fuck happened with Matt Walker?" So good, it stays: [In The Room] [Daily News]
- Ben Holmstrom was suspended two games for a hit to the head: [PostStar.com]
- Comparing David Steckel and Blair Betts: [Hockey Prospectus]
- With Betts gone (and Richards and Carter), who will play defensive minutes for the Flyers? Rookies don't often succeed there: [Backhand Shelf]
- Congratulations to Dirk Hoag and everyone on winning Best of Nashville Sports Blog: [On The Forecheck]
- Blah blah blah, Don Cherry yelled at some people through a TV camera again. Something about turncoat fighters: [Puck Daddy]
- Looking at scoring rates after players are traded shows some interesting results: [Hockey Prospectus]
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They were promised to have size, speed and, for a change, goaltending, and what do you know – they seemed to have all of that last night. But it really wasn’t an overwhelming effort. Bryz’s goaltending and the defensive play of the Flyers covered up a lackluster output of offense. Maybe in time they’ll gel on the offensive side, too, but what I like most about this team is that they look like a TEAM. They look like any one player can contribute on a given night, rather than having to depend on a designated goal scorer or designated penalty killer. Everyone is expected to contribute in all three zones of the ice.
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Not looking to shoot you down – I agree in general with what you say about how they performed last night – but I’d say we looked like a team last year as well. And we also looked like a team the season we had 6 20+ goal scorers. We’ve never relied on one or two guys (although the effect of having no Pronger seems to hurt us).
As for everyone contributing in all three zones of the ice – probably should avoid commenting on things like that, Geoff has OZ% numbers ready and waiting.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 7, 2011 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not Geoff, but...
Let’s not pretend that Briere’s line (which took 7 of its 9 faceoffs in the offensive zone) was asked to play defense — or that they did it very well, either, as they got pinned in their own end a couple of times.
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Only because I only notice him all night.
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I hope every time Simmonds’ name is mentioned all season, so one points out that he’s black.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
That’s not was I referring to at all. Just that he stood out as playing well amongst everyone he was with being nearly invisible all night. He skates better then I thought originally. He got back on a couple plays.
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My point still stands.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Just as long as you aren’t calling me racist or anything.
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Even if you were pointing it out every time, it doesn’t make you necessarily racist. I would find that no different or less annoying than the Carter-Hartnell wife joke.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
I am just not following this at all and it is making me uncomfortable so I’m moving on.
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Simmonds definitely can skate. He is a huge improvement over Hartnell on that line. The fact that he likes to hit should be enough to open up the ice for Briere the way Hartnell did by annoying the hell out of everyone.
That being said, I wanted Simmonds on the 3rd line because he is better in his own end and could help cover up for any rookie mistakes. Then again, rookies (and possibly bantams/pee-wee) are probably better on D than Briere is.
Bryz’s goaltending and the defensive play of the Flyers covered up a lackluster output of offense.
Off-season roster moves would indicate that’s the plan. I also agree with PoL below that last year’s group looked very much like a team for most of the season.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 7, 2011 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Penguins, 6 games
When healthy, the Penguins are just too strong. I mean, where are the weaknesses? Even their arena is state of the art. In a thrilling final series, I feel they’ll wear down the Sharks, who likely will be a little battered from a tough playoff run in the West. I see Marc-Andre Fleury making a big save late to secure the franchise’s fourth Cup.
Oh shut up NHL.com your Penguin love makes me puke
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 7, 2011 7:04 AM EDT reply actions
Actually, my bad, made the mistake of forgetting to scroll down and see that there’s a whole list of other predictions. It’s all good now, an individual person’s entitled to their opinion.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 7, 2011 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions
That said, not one of them picked the Flyers to win the conference and Bryzgalov to win the Conn Smythe…
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 7, 2011 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions
From the wildly disparate predictions this year, I think most analysts don’t know what to expect from the Flyers this year.
"I repeat we have normality." She turned her microphone off — then turned it back on, with a slight smile and continued: "Anything you still can’t cope with is therefore your own problem."
Which is fine by mean. The Flyers don’t need anything extra piled on top of them this year. Especially considering that they don’t even know what they are capable of yet.
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by Mitchell Green on Oct 7, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Conn Smythe winner Ilya Bryzgalov does have a ring to it…
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by 92-74-99-96 on Oct 7, 2011 12:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Still trying to find out what happened to Hartnell and Briere last night. Did they miss the team bus from the hotel? Figured it would be in the recap.
Biggest Question of the early season: Can an aging Pronger play himself into game shape or will playing too many minutes just beat his body up more on the way to getting in shape?
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Agreed. But don’t say it too loudly or someone will start telling you that Pronger’s going to play at a high level until he’s 42.
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They should really consider dressing him every other game until like February
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Maybe not so drastic as that, but he certainly shouldn’t be playing almost 25 minutes after a 1 preseason game season warmup.
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by A Flyers Phamily on Oct 7, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
It’s just to enticing to send over the boards if he is on the bench. Why does this not dawn on the coaching and training staff. Seems simple shit to me.
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He may also be pressing Lavvy for minutes. He’s a competitive guy who is used to getting those minutes and the team captain. Maybe they feel he needs to be out there to help the new team gel?
Personally, I agree that he should get fewer minutes and ease back into things.
"I repeat we have normality." She turned her microphone off — then turned it back on, with a slight smile and continued: "Anything you still can’t cope with is therefore your own problem."
I know he is angling for more minutes. Thats a definite. The staff needs to be smarter.
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Absolutely. We got Meszaros to ease the burden on Kimmo and Pronger. Might as well let him earn his pay.
"I repeat we have normality." She turned her microphone off — then turned it back on, with a slight smile and continued: "Anything you still can’t cope with is therefore your own problem."
Same with walker and Lilja.
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Walker was the mystery of last night. I only singled Meszaros out because of his cap hit. But you are correct. Might as well make them earn their pay.
"I repeat we have normality." She turned her microphone off — then turned it back on, with a slight smile and continued: "Anything you still can’t cope with is therefore your own problem."
Was he just slow on that PPG against, or is that how the PHI neutral zone PK coverage is supposed to look?
Obviously, this is all speculation.
I think one of my fellow internet posters summed this up perfectly:
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Peas and carrots?
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by 92-74-99-96 on Oct 7, 2011 12:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
homer and illogical roster/cap moves?
by profoundnotions on Oct 7, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Snickerdoodles and antidisestablishmentarianism?
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 7, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s way early and one game but Matt Read did not look out of place on the ice last night. He had one hiccup which didn’t kill him thank god. He was not afraid to push the play up the ice on the penalty kill which I was also impressed with.
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Agreed, both on the “way early and one game” part and on the rest of the assessment.
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I didn’t want to go overboard just noting it was a good effort. He could have miserably flopped. First game or not pulling PK minutes in the NHL is no easy assignment.
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I’ll say this, I thought he did better than Couturier. I’d like to see him not fumble the puck as much, but he had himself in a few really good positions as well as get out of some tough ones. A couple of puck fumbles and a giveaway or two stuck out to me though.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
Wow, your just a bright ray of hope aren’t you!
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some days.
We came out with a win, I am super stoked about that.
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I disagree. I think Read played hard and with serious energy – but at times was chasing his own tail and fumbled the puck badly. He did have one very nice chance and few nice passes.
Coots was out for some serious minutes, including the final minute of play. He also made some positioning gaffes, and was obviously stunned at the speed of the play at times, but overall was solid in a much more difficult role. AND he’s several years younger, so my expectations on maturity (not potential) are far less.
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 7, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, unnoted above as a reflection of his good play not a lack of recognition
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I think there should have been last year he saw only 35 seconds SH time per game. He got 3 minutes last night that is a huge increase.
It is, but nobody questioned his ability to get the job done, so I didn’t think I had to mention it in my post.
And that is not fair everyone around here is questioned at wheter or not they would succeed in a new role they haven’t face before but somehow Nodl gets a pass. I didn’t think he would have a problem either but still had to be a question that need to be answered during the season.
Yeah, Nodl deserves to have his defense doubted too!
“I thought he had a real strong playoffs for us. When we needed players to come in due to injury, he was a guy that popped in for us,” coach Peter Laviolette said yesterday. "I go back to that Boston series, there was a time when we had a one-goal lead and he’s out there with a minute and a half or 2 minutes to go.
“I just had that trust in his game that he was going to play a strong, positional game. He would get pucks in and get pucks out and do the right thing.”
Who cares if he’s already been put in the tough spots – tougher, even – than everyone is praising Couturier and Read for?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
This! Can Andreas Nodl get some mothereffing respect around here?!?!?!
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by Mitchell Green on Oct 7, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Re: Don Cherry’s rant. It’s only going to get worse because this is the direction the league is headed. Should be entertaining.
Re: Prediction for Flyers finish across the hockeysphere. Some folks have us getting to the final, I think at least one has us winning. Others have us missing the playoffs. I don’t ever remember such a wide range for a team heading into the season. It’s exciting – means how this team is going to do is even more of a guess than normal.
Oddly enough, I didn’t miss the old guys last night. Maybe it was the distraction of opening night and all the new faces but no pangs, even on the PK where it was always a treat to watch 18. I’m sure they’ll come soon enough, like next week when we play LA.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 7, 2011 7:52 AM EDT reply actions
Anyone else watching the LA Game this afternoon on VS. Benefits of working from home with office TV. We should have a thread. A thread with pregrame questions. A thread with pregrame questions and a poll. Woo Hoo.
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I work from home on Fridays. I’ll definitely have the game on. I may put the other one on my laptop. Productivity will be shot.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Ugh. Just realized I’ll probably have to watch in SD because MSG and the Dolans are fucking criminal douche bags.
Seriously, how has this not been a slam dunk Antitrust case yet?
Obviously, this is all speculation.
MSG and the Rangers have a common owner. MSG won’t sell their games in HD except to Cablevision, which also is owned by the same owner. So I have Fios, but I can’t get MSG HD because they are conspiring to extort viewers into buying (shitty, shitty, shitty) Cablevision so they can get HD. Until just a couple years ago, they wouldn’t even let Fios carry MSG SD, but the FCC stepped in and forced them to give up the SD feed. It’s a classic tying arrangement (to by product A, that you want, you must also buy product B, which blows goats and you don’t want). It’s just being hung up in the FCC by adversarial bullshit, all the while buying time for MSG/Cablevision to continue their collusive behavior, fucking the consumer.
Instead of paying all this money on legal fees and obstructionist lobbying, Cablevision could, you know, just upgrade their services and not suck balls. But they don’t want to, and they know they can’t compete otherwise. If the entire Dolan family and Cablevision C-suite were to be lit on fire, I’d be fine with it.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Wait, you wanted someone to enforce antitrust laws?
Or, maybe, “what are these antitrust laws you speak of?”
/University of Chicago’d.
I tell my students, the favorite way for many companies to do strategy is to “create a monopoly.” Legally, you can do that by creating a product everyone wants that for various legal reasons no one else can duplicate. Illegally, you can "tie things up. "
Horizontal and vertical integration, ftw!
Hunter Pence will not guarantee a WS, but, then, neither does Carlos Beltran.
I don’t think U Chicago thinks antitrust shouldn’t or doesn’t exist, I think they just disagree with the focus and goals of the legal regime and the way courts apply the laws.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
The freshwater school is heavily in favor of “self-regulating” markets, which historically have lent themselves to collusion of various sorts, whether tying agreements or price fixing. It may not be their intent to increase collusion by weakening regulatory power, but the Law of Unintended Consequences ignores good intentions.
Bob.
It starts in 45 mins! Awesome! I’m totally watching it.
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by Mitchell Green on Oct 7, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea I am stalling dong any real work.
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Any answer as to how long we’ll have the belittling, sarcasm induced recaps?
I thought they played well, no different than any other season, so can we be happy for this team as much as we were for previous teams, please?
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 7, 2011 8:00 AM EDT reply actions
As long as Ben writes for BSH.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
poop
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 7, 2011 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Rec’d.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 7, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I liked his recap.
He was much less belittling than I was watching it live.
Also I now know that the most hated Flyers list for local Boston fans is/was Carcillo, Hartnell, and Giroux.
How could anyone hate Giroux?
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I’m going to go with jealousy on that one.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 7, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
and it was mainly coming from a girl too. How can she not see the G sex appeal?
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
Oh, then I totally think it’s jealousy. She could have noticed the sex appeal, but since he plays for the enemy she feels she isn’t allowed to admit that out loud, and that just makes her more upset and jealous. Maybe it’s just because I’m a girl, but since I’m speculating without knowing her, I think it’s a possibility. I’ve seen it several times before.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 7, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I will admit I yelled “fuck you Marchand i fucking hate your stupid face” like 10 times last night, but I would take him as a Flyer in a cold second.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
Coming from a straight man, I would go gay for him.
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Oh come on. He’s awful.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 7, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Who? Marchand?
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No, the recapper.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 7, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought it was pretty funny after all the negativity energy that has been going around.
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in light of this, this recap makes sense
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 7, 2011 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll be back in a little while Charmed is on!
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just get netflix so you dont have to watch that TNT trash
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 7, 2011 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions
just get netflix so youdont have to watch that TNT trashcan watch it all in one sitting
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I haven’t gone looking for a video, but regarding Marchand’s goal I’m seeing some critical commentary (on another site) towards Kimmo. As I recall Marchand got behind Pronger and got a nice stretch pass. Kimmo got back as fast as he could to try and mop up, but was he out of position to begin with? I don’t think so, but I’m not exactly sure of the PK positioning.
Marchand was also having a great game; I wanted Coburn to freighttrain him all night.
Just for the record I thought KImmo had an excellent game, and has an argument for the best player on the ice last night. /sticktap for Kimmo (I guess I’m just copying Bryz there)
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by A Flyers Phamily on Oct 7, 2011 8:52 AM EDT reply actions
I completely agree. Unless I am wrong on the planned coverage scheme also. Pronger was not sharp on a lot of plays last night. And in his defense that pass through 3 zones was lucky as shit and could have ended up being an odd man rush back into the Bruins zone.
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I think it looked like Pronger motioned something to Kimmo. I’m just guessing, but maybe Pronger was letting Kimmo know that he was moving forward for some reason and that Kimmo should stay back. Kimmo stays put, Pronger moves forward and a gap opens for the stretch pass. Definitely a breakdown, but not sure who to blame without knowing what Pronger said.
by hebrew hammer on Oct 7, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks! I guess I should really hunt down a video of the play.
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by A Flyers Phamily on Oct 7, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure about the communication. But it was a little to little to late at that point. I originally thought Pronger anticipated the pass and was looking for the interception.
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I was asking because I have discovered a powerful need to defend Kimmo, whom I feel is criminally underrated.
I’m thining of investing in a Timonen WC jersey, when we know what they look like.
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by A Flyers Phamily on Oct 7, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t think he would finish, no pun intended, his career anywhere else could be a good investment.
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I’ve got a Pronger WC jersey from their first one, but the damn thing is cursed. If I even think about putting it on they’ll lose the next game.
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by A Flyers Phamily on Oct 7, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
YEA......
Burn that!
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It hasn’t been out of it’s original box since last season some time. Eventually I just quit trying. Maybe I should ask Pronger about how to exorcise it, but I’m sure I’d get a response like: “What do you expect? You bought it from a game we LOST.”
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by A Flyers Phamily on Oct 7, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe get it signed somehow. I am anit jersey for anyone over 15 by nature but it might change the mojo
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It was an early birthday present as the series against Boston 2 playoffs ago began. When we went down 0-3 I packed it away for the remainder of the playoffs. The rest, as they say, is history.
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by A Flyers Phamily on Oct 7, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Burn it!
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I won’t do that, but I could put it in a sealed case as a display for my children. It could become a shining example of hockey mojo gone wrong.
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by A Flyers Phamily on Oct 7, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
We’ve had a lot of roster turnover, so maybe it can be salvaged. Have you tried any of the superstitious things some people do to try to reverse the karma, like wearing it inside out for a game? I have the opposite problem, I have a jersey (albeit a crappy one) that served me well in the 2010 playoffs, but hasn’t been good since.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 7, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmm I hadn’t actually heard of wearing it inside out. I was going to have my wife e-mail McCrossin and see what he said about it, but that one actually sounds like a good one. Thanks DG!
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by A Flyers Phamily on Oct 7, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Also it seems my wife has a bottle of holy water. So inside out on the home opener and sprinkled with holy water.
If that doesn’t work it’s going to be packed away and never see daylight again. And that would be a tragedy.
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by A Flyers Phamily on Oct 7, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
When I played in various leagues years back, I had certian things I would do that worked for me to keep away bad juju. If we won and I played well the jersey would not get washed. I know thats disgusting but you gotta do what you gotta do. I won’t go into other things I didn’t wash I will just stick to jersey’s. If we lost and I had a bad game I would turn the jersey inside out like DG said and wash. If I had a bad game but we one I would just wash. I played on some bad teams so I was pretty stinky for a couple years.
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Hmm, I had never heard of things to fix the karma of a jersey. I’ve got two jerseys, so I usually just ride the “hot jersey” until they lose, and then switch. I know there’s a lot of hate for the black jerseys, but we got the W last night, so it’s off to a good start so far.
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by A Flyers Phamily on Oct 7, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
The whole inside out this was recommended to me by someone else. I managed to reset my old black jersey (from the first year they were issued, not the more recent one) after the season that shall not be named by washing it inside out and then wearing it inside out for a game or two. I know some people don’t ever actually wash their jerseys, and that’s a personal thing that I won’t comment one way or the other on, so feel free to skip right to the wearing it inside out part. The wearing it inside out part is the only thing recommended by the friend initially, I just went the extra step because it absolutely needed to be washed by that point.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 7, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
never washing a jersey is kinda gross.
I fully support only washing it during the offseason.
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I’m right there with you and normally wouldn’t wash mine til year’s end (I don’t wear them very often, anyway), but I also include an exemption for if the guy next to you spills a large quantity of beer on your jersey during a game. A spot or two is one thing, but enough to make it smell funny is grounds for an immediate cleaning.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 7, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Mine hasn’t really been out of the box enough to require a washing. But you might have a good idea there as well.
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by A Flyers Phamily on Oct 7, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought both Kimmo & Pronger looked rusty as hell to start the game. They got better as time went on, and Kimmo did a complete 180 by the end. Pronger still looked out of sync at the end, but not nearly as bad as at the start of the game.
Couturier, Read & Talbot put a lot of my worries to rest on the PK. Granted, it was only one game, but the kids certainly didn’t look like it was their first game, and Talbot looked more than capable as well.
Liked Read and a bit of Talbot. Bostons PP sucked. I’m still worried about our PK. I hope Schenn gets called up and gets some PK legs next game.
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Bostons PP sucked.
They scored a goal and had some sustained pressure. I’m not saying there’s no longer any reason to question the kids, but don’t be such a nattering nabob of negativity. And honestly, from every thing I’ve seen, Couturier is probably better on the PK than Schenn is. Schenn has more offensive upside. Couturier will be the better of the two on D.
Well he is the best defensive forward on the team.
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Granted, it’s highly unlikely, and Lavy was probably just saying that to give the kid a confidence boost, but what if he actually is?
If his rookie year is to defense what AO’s was to offense, will every one here then admit they were wrong? Not a chance. Small samples work both ways. One game isn’t enough to say the kid is anything more than a rookie in his first game, but it’s also not enough to say he isn’t.
Also, I’m guessing that your comment was just for the sake of the joke (which I liked) I’m speaking to a broad audience, not you.
If his rookie year is to defense what AO’s was to offense, will every one here then admit they were wrong?
I don’t think that’s a fair comparison because offense is so much harder to find than D. You can find stud defensive players for cheap, while still allowing Couturier to develop. Plus, he wasn’t just supposed to be D stud, he was supposed to be a two-way guy that would score a lot. It seems clear he won’t be that guy this year, and I think he may be better served continuing to develop that part of his game at a lower level.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
If his rookie year is to defense what AO’s was to offense, will every one here then admit they were wrong?
Wrong about what?
I’d admit that relying on an 18 year old being able to handle top defensive minutes worked out better than I expected, and that it didn’t hurt the team any, and maybe even helped it.
But it wouldn’t prove that the team was right to keep him in the NHL. Like F&B says, you can find defense in a lot of places, and the value of having a contract slide is significant — it’s an extra year of having him cost only $1.3M.
Also, before we start calling him the Ovechkin of defense, let’s keep in mind that while he had a generally sound game in the defensive end, he did have one play where he lost his man and floated until the pass went to his man and his man put a shot off the post. If that shot is an inch to the right, the conversation would be very different today.
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the value of having a contract slide is significant — it’s an extra year of having him cost only $1.3M.
I’ll just point out that there are two sides of this coin. When Couturier is up for his second contract, he’ll have one fewer year of putting up good numbers, so theoretically that should keep him cheaper. If the negotiations don’t reflect that, though, and the Flyers end up paying top dollar on that second contract anyway, then you’re back to the position Eric just stated.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Like they did with JVR? I think they will look at him the same way in 3 years, unless we get a change in the FO.
by hebrew hammer on Oct 7, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think it was the same play, but there was a moment or two on the PK where I was yelling at the TV for him to get higher up to the point, he dropped too low in the zone, but wasn’t serving any purpose there. Seemed like he was drifting towards the puck for no good reason.
by hebrew hammer on Oct 7, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope, not the same. I really only focused on him at even strength, because I think (emphasis on think — I haven’t researched it yet) it’s a lot more common for kidsters to be fine on the PK.
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I was pretty surprised to see him on the 1st PK unit, so then I was just looking for something to criticize.
by hebrew hammer on Oct 7, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Also he does hve offensive talent and I would like to see him develop that as well, so the idea of him staying but as a third line checker is not ideal. Sure he looked good but he is 18 and this is the NHL so I say they send him back after his 9 games and dominate the Q..
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Giroux & Schenn (once Briere’s contract is up) are your 1 & 2 centers for the next decade or so (in theory) I’m pretty sure his role on this team is 3rd line checker even if he spent another few years in the Q.
Yes, he is supposed to be a two-way player, but Schenn has more O upside and Couturier has more D upside. Unless you want them to shift him to the wing, which I definitely don’t want to see happen, he’s your 3rd line guy of the future.
Kimmo should have slid over toward Marchand just because there wasn’t another threat around.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Yep, just watched it again, Kimmo signals back to Pronger, it’s like they were too busy talking to one another to see the play develop and they got burned.
by hebrew hammer on Oct 7, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Or it was like, “hey kimmo, save ass, oops too late”
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This is why they all need mics, at all times.
by hebrew hammer on Oct 7, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Just watched the highlights on NHL.com and they seem overly skewed in favour of Boston. Might just be me but it seemed like every half chance that Boston had was shown and some of our great chances were missed off although.
Maybe Im just seeing things through my orange tinted glasses!
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In fairness the Bruins did seem to control bigger minutes of the play last night. They did hit an emotional wall after that ridiculous ceremony.
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Really?! A picture of Chara…with the Stanley Cup. That’s what you chose?! Seriously?!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
After he defended your honor last night against the insults tossed at Boucher by Sophiejo.
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Nice start
I for some reason watched the pre-game hooplah. Maybe to further enhance my distain of the Bruins. For whatever reason, I thought it was a good event. Nice to see Recchi get his last moment in the spotlight. For the game, I almost had a freak attack watching the first ten minutes with the glaring mistakes and how old our defense looked. Slowly, with the aide of a few Mooseheads, I calmed down, as did the play of the team, and they made a game of it. It was nice to actually watch a one goal game, that didn’t turn into a loss, or overtime over crappy goaltending. That actually has me somewhat relieved. Yeah yeah yeah, its one game. But u can see the potential of a solid hardnosed team fighting for each other and putting up a united front. Not to say that past rosters haven’t, but I think we have a team, all on the Lavi’s bandwagon. That VJG line is going to be stupid scary. Our rookies didn’t hurt us and they played important minutes. And best of all, not once did I think to myself, wish we had so in so back. This team is only going to get better, and we hung tough with the defending champs in their own building on their pat themselves on the back night. Good friggin times. Now 81 more, and then we’ll see how all these changes pan out. Nice job boys.
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by flyerfreek on Oct 7, 2011 9:14 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Lavy quote
Eighteen-year-old rookie Sean Couturier, besides logging 4:34 of PK action, was on the ice in the final minute with Boston pressing the attack.
Who would have expected a vote of confidence like that from coach Peter Laviolette in an opener, huh?
"Why not? He’s our best defensive player," Laviolette said.
From the CSN recap.
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by PhilliePhan24 on Oct 7, 2011 9:22 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wow
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Seriously.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I’m just going to abstain from even commenting on this one; I need to pretend I didn’t read that for the sake of my own sanity.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 7, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
yup, this is our head coach
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 7, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he is just playing the mental game with the kid. I mean he really should not be here any longer then about 7 games right?
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I don’t think he should be, but… he will be.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
that is coach speak through the media it is a good move as a coach building confidence in a young player etc..
exactly. instill the belief. set the standard.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 7, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
could also be his way of saying other guys need to step up their D.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 7, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m going to chalk that up to post win elation. Because otherwise I’m going to have an attack of confusion-induced vertigo and crack my skull in a fall.
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by A Flyers Phamily on Oct 7, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
How ’bout that for a vote of confidence. Gee willikers
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by flyerfreek on Oct 7, 2011 9:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't even know what to say about that one...
After 10 years, I still can't figure out how Jiri Dopita had a 4 goal game and disappeared.
I wouldn’t disagree. Unfortunatly I think he’s still intimidated to hit anyone and I thought his skating stood out as slow. I think Simmonds was more dominant but the two weakass penalties he took cost him.
Still want to see Schenn called up and Rinaldo sent down. Rinaldo was F’n worthless last night.
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Rinaldo is typical of the breed. he skates his ass off, throws some good checks and works hard. Then something misfires in his brain for a second and stupidity sets in. It’s the same for all these guys.
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Maybe so, but the rest of his line was driving play forward without him, he took a stupid early penalty, and he didn’t even drop the gloves with anyone. (In a game where our star player got boarded pretty hard.)
If this is his real game situation audition, I am not giving him a passing grade.
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See this is where the whole day goes into the toilet. Rinaldo like Carcillo is not big enough to fight the guys on the Bruins who fight. Not that he would be afraid but Thorton is a heavy weight.
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If we are icing him just because he’s batfuck crazy enough to jump someone who outweighs him by 100 lbs, fine. But if he’s up and Schenn is in the AHL and he plays like he did last night, thats just a fucking stupid roster move.
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If he controls his emotions like Berube did for Carcillo for a span they could channel his crazy into an effective checker that pushes the right buttons. That is what I believe they see in him. His role is a miniscule line between effect and useless. See Matt Cooke
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NOT ME!
Like JVR it will stunt his growth. If he looks that good its the AHL but hockey as a lifestyle needs to be nurtured.
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My verdict is waiting on the whole Walker issue, as well as the Hartnell rumors. If Walker and Betts were waiver bait to open a contract its either 1) a trade with Nashville 2) keeping Couturier up all year or 3) no fucking idea I am not a hockey insider.
I think theres at least a 50% chance we dumped a contract on a waiver pickup to keep Couturier all year.
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Why don’t you just believe that the team evaluated Betts as on the downside and not needed on the team now they have Talbot?
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This could be true and it would be stupid.
Hunter Pence will not guarantee a WS, but, then, neither does Carlos Beltran.
I thought the major argument against JVR was the NCAA is the CHL and making the jump was too difficult. Couturier played in the CHL 18 year old players can be impactful with limited ice time and he is not AHL eligible he has to go back to QMJHL which might be a bigger step back.
This is true, very true. Well we have 6 or 7 more games to see.
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There’s two different argument: (a) whether they are good to sustain high-level play, and (b) whether they will have their legs. JVR arguably had the former, but not the latter. Read probably has the former, but not the latter. Couturier would most likely have the latter, but I don’t know if we can judge the former off one game.
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JVR played two.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I can understand NCAA then AHL then NHL but I can’t understand how Courtier going back to the CHL makes sense from the continuing to develop point of view. If he could go the AHL fine but back the juniors probably isn’t going to help him based on what he has shown at camp and how he dominated that competition in the past.
What do you think people learn in the CHL? In other words, if you would send someone back to the CHL, what do you want them to work on there that they can’t in the NHL?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Good habits, for one. Refined technique, for two. Especially if you have a deficiency like, say, skating.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Pst, I wanted Chris to answer.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Odd. Last night, when I checked my fantasy roster, it said “Jakub Voracek.” This morning, it says “Jake Voracek.” Either way, he got a goal, and he’s on a line with Giroux and Jagr. So he’ll be a good acquisition. :-)
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I will say it here first
How F’n pumped did people get when JVR stepped up to Chara after that boarding shove?
I know its stupid and wouldn’t have worked out for us but I was screaming at the TV “Yeah fucking fight Chara!”
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I was proud of JVR, but also scared as hell until Coburn intervened.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 7, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
He is a big boy he would have gottten thumped a little but it would not have been Carol Vadnais kind of thumping.
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When the adrenaline slowed down i agreed.
Plus Ben had Coburn listed as paired with Lija last night.
I was able to handle the game better when I saw him out with Timonen. I thought CoBeast was fantastic last night. I have such a Coburn bias its not even funny.
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YES
My dad is old school and he was stoked. He never believes the guys stand up for each other enough.
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I thought it was a great sign of a sense of team, but it faded fast as I felt JVR was in over his head. Thankfully Coburn got there to take the heat off JVR
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by A Flyers Phamily on Oct 7, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I was yelling at my TV like “GIROUX!! HOLY CRAP ARE YOU OKAY PLEASE BE OKAY oh he’s okay WHAT THE JVR WHAT ARE YOU DOING THAT GUY’S LIKE TEN FEET TALL YOU DON’T PICK A FIGHT WITH A FRIGGIN GIANT IT’S LIKE DAVID AND GOLIATH BUT GOLIATH WINS AND HOLY CRAP WHAT THE CUSS ARE YOU DOING oh hai Coburn, thanks for stopping by and putting an end to that insanity.”
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by LeepinLizardz on Oct 7, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s pretty close to what my living room sounded like. Haha…
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LOL
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 7, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Chara hit?
Anyone else think the Chara hit on G deserves a look at from Shanhan? I was watching the game on a poor link in class (with ads popping up) so I didn’t get that great of a look… But from what I did see, looked awfully close to some of those 2 gamers from last year with a player attacking to a corner, and receives a defenseless check to the back.
Could be completely off, haven’t been able to watch the dvr version yet.
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Nah, he backed up into him to get space on the puck and Chara is just to big for him to do that to. He needs to use his speed there and swoop the puck off the boards and if Chara wants to trip or hold him then he gets the penalty.
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all my Boston friends think Shannahan will come down on Chara for the boarding because of the shove after initial contact. I think it will be reviewed but no suspension.
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It will definitely be reviewed,but I’m not so sure on the suspension. That secondary contact might have been incidental. And with all of Chara’s mass moving at that speed I think a simple collision would have had the same effect.
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The initial contact was fine, but Chara gave an extra shove with his hand in the middle of Giroux’s back that, to me anyway, seemed to be what put Giroux head-first into the boards. The boarding call was definitely correct. I’m not sure about suspension though, I guess we’ll see.
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Chara has just as much right to the straight path to the puck.
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I think the boarding call was right, but I don’t think a suspension should happen because of G’s move to backwards check Chara.
Still, if there’s a video review it would be hilarious if at the end there was a close up of Shanny saying, “No suspension is warranted, but don’t do it again Chara.”
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by A Flyers Phamily on Oct 7, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
you notice the W and increased defense in front of the net?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 7, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Well of course I did, but it’s not like it was a dominating win. And as the season goes on we’re going to get screwed a bunch of times if we don’t get better at faceoffs. Has to happen internally now, I guess.
And my argument was that you can be bad at faceoffs but you have to get better at other facets of the game. A faceoff loss doesn’t quite matter if you make then turn it over
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 7, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure makes life easier, especially late in the game, if you’re team is god at them.
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by Mitchell Green on Oct 7, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
but it’s not necessarily something that is make or break for a team
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 7, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
This is where I agree with you, which really pisses me off.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a couple days old but I wonder if Stan Fischler still thinks Homer should be big time worried about our goalies
If I’m Paul Holmgren I’m big-time worried about my goaltending, based on training camp. Too much dough for too little puck-stopping talent
.
That’s stupid.
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And another season of hating on the goaltenders for no good reason has begun.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If bryz was just a bit older and signed to a shorter contract id be very happy with out goaltending situation
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 7, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
If I’m Glenn Sather, I’m big time worried about if the Big Time Free Agent I just signed is going to blow up in my face again.
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Well, he ain’t wrong. It IS too much dough, regardless of the puck-stoppping talent it bought.
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 7, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha
But maybe just a bit too soon.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 7, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Evidently Talbot is not as bad a player as some (GEOFF) made him out to be … 5:45 of PK time. WOW.
And frankly, both Read and Courturier did better than I expected. Once Rinaldo got his whopping 6:27 of ice time, and his night was over, the fourth line did rather well cycling people around on that wing for the other 4+ minutes they got at even-strength without BatShit.
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 7, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Evidently Talbot is not as bad a player as some (GEOFF) made him out to be … 5:45 of PK time. WOW.
Hysterical, except… what do you know, Talbot was playing on the fourth line. Which just so happens to be where I wanted him, and where I said I like him.
But your false narrative is definitely more fun.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
False narratives FTW
Also I agree Talbot-Betts-Nodl as turned into Rinaldo-Talbot-Nodl and they seemed to move the puck up ice pretty well generating some positive CORSI.
And I think we can agree that Talbot-Betts-Nodl is better than Shelley-Talbot-Nodl.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely agreed. I mean, if someone was to argue that (in essence) Shelley was better than Betts they’d be roundly shouted down.
And, frankly, I agree that Talbot is a fair-to-middling third line winger, a moderate fourth-line center, and an above-average fourth line winger. My narrative isn’t ‘false’ as much as pointing out the extremism in your previous commentary, where you insisted he was pretty much worthless. Repeatedly.
BUT – that is all in the past. Our personal impressions from it are different; so be it. We can agree that Talbot is best suited on the fourth line (especially on the Flyers … he could easily be third line on some teams), and that we’d rather see him as a winger where his particular brand of agitation is helpful and not hurtful. But given (as Eric notes) that their Corsi is off the charts so far – even with Batshit on one wing – I think we may all start liking Talbot a bit more around here.
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 11, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Their Corsi was great in the first game. In the second, they got outshot 5-3, in a game where the rest of the team outshot the Devils 28-16. Just for the record.
Anyway, I agree that he’s adequate as a third line winger or fourth line center and good as a fourth line winger. I think his contract is too pricey and too long (risky) for that level of skill, but thinking he won’t provide good value doesn’t mean he’s valueless.
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My narrative isn’t ‘false’ as much as pointing out the extremism in your previous commentary, where you insisted he was pretty much worthless. Repeatedly.
It baffles me that you think I said anything of the sort.
It further baffles me that you state “we can agree that Talbot is best suited on the fourth line”, showing that you know I am of the opinion that Max Talbot is a fourth line player, three sentences later.
So you know I think Talbot is a fourth line player, yet you continue to misrepresent this position as me calling him worthless or extreme.
We agree, you admit that we agree, and yet you call my views extreme.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 11, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
True story.
That threesome had two defensive zone starts and only one offensive zone start. Yet they had 8 shots for and only 3 against. Corsi monsters!
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Edzo and Pierre, as always, were unbearable last night. I was actually happy I couldn’t hear much of the game because my gf and her friends were basically filming their own episode of “The Talk” while the game was on.
Kimmo re-kindled my love for all things Finland with his stick save, the PP looks like it has potential to finish among tops in the league, and G is…well G.
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by PraiseMartyMoose on Oct 7, 2011 10:22 AM EDT reply actions
WHOA WHOA WHOA....THere is a kitchen in the house for that right!
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Perhaps the worst part of it was the fact that it wasn’t my house so I had pretty much no jurisdiction. And she can’t cook anyway.
Man, I really messed up didn’t I?
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by PraiseMartyMoose on Oct 7, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
OHHHH!
So let’s summarize:
You, on the opening night of the hockey season, agreed/were coaxed into going to a female party/demonstration of some sort where you had to watch the game through the chiding’s of a gaggle of women. You at least got to watch the game……I guess.
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Nay. It was originally supposed to be just myself, the lady friend, and a mutual guy friend who is a big hockey guy. I show up before anybody else got there, had a nice cold brew, and then the gf walks in with 2 of her girlfriends. Previously mentioned guy friend fails to show up until about the 2nd period and by that point, I was in what I could only think would be hockey’s purgatory but leaning mostly towards hell.
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by PraiseMartyMoose on Oct 7, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Well first don’t ever say lady friend. That is reserved for single women over 60 like what my single dad has. And it started harmless enough so although you take a punch in the man card for poor planning you did get to watch the game and if they are all hot well it can be considered a push. The guy friend takes takes a double tap to the card for leaving you hanging. Bros before Hos and all. But lastly we need to come away from the term guy friend. it’s some other dude or my boy. There is no in between.
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Call it a push because they are all not terrible to look at. They aren’t in my usual group of friends that I watch with but those people were unable to watch. So this is in no way going to be the norm.
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by PraiseMartyMoose on Oct 7, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Well you definitely earned some points I am sure, which could pay dividends down the road. But the tone must be set that this is the exception on hockey nights not the norm. I can’t tell you enough how the establishment of the rules is imperative. I know this because I didn’t set firm enough rules myself and it has become a life long battle. And now I have way to much to lose.
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Understood. Won’t ever happen again.
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by PraiseMartyMoose on Oct 7, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I am highlY offEnded that you would aSk that. There are ladies on this board.
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by PraiseMartyMoose on Oct 7, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
And these Ladies fully understand the pain you endured as a hockey fan but is all seriousness I don’t really want you to answer the question it was a joke.
(PM me later with the details)
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Good catch. I’m slow today.
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Would you feel the same if it wasn’t Lindros in the centerpiece? I know Flyers fans think that his is abominable, and I think that’s funny because you’d almost certainly have that hit in Flyers’ lore if it was the other way around. That’s a hit I think should be in the game. I’m not going to say Cherry is always right, but I do think Lindros should be fair game right there, and I don’t think it’s an accurate comparison to what happened to Savard. If Lindros is looking where he’s going, at all, then he doesn’t take that shot. Savard was blindsided and had no real idea that he was in that danger. Do you really want a game where players can stare at their feet through the neutral zone? To me part of the entertainment in the game is that these guys have the skill to do what they do without looking down, under the threat of a huge hit like that. Removing that threat and adding an element of men’s league hockey is less skillful, and less entertaining.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
I actually thought the Lindros hit was awesome when it happened. Despite the fact that it was Lindros, obviously.
Today, I’d only find it acceptable if Stevens didn’t make contact with the head. That’s the scary part we need to get out of the game, in my opinion.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 7, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s fair. I just think that Lindros was carrying his head in a way that made it real hard for there to be no contact with the head. He was hunched over looking down, so his chin was basically on his sternum, which is the target for ideal point of contact. I’m not sure an absolute ban on head-contact is the way to go, and if there is an allowance for incidental head-contact, I’d think the Lindros hit would be within that carve out.
I thought there were other hits in that highlight reel that did bother me, though.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
We were always taught to keep our head up while we were playing. When you watched your shot/pass instead of where you’re going, you got your head taken off. People are crying about these guys having life threatening injuries, but that’s what we pay them millions of dollars for. When you do a job that has high risk of injury or death, you get hazard pay. That hazard pay is nothing compared to what these players make. If they don’t want to take that risk, they are welcome to dig ditches. Option number two is to just keep your head up & be aware of your surroundings.
Since the lock out, every year I have enjoyed hockey a little less. It’s to the point where I barely even watch any more. They are killing the game. Get rid of the instigator rule so guys who play dirty can get reminders not to do so, and all will be fine.
And it’s not the part of the rant you were responding to, but I like Nilan’s and Grimson’s responses.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
You are absolutely right in your response to Cherry’s rant. The gladiator analogy was spot on.
Hockey will be a much better place once Don Cherry is no longer one of it’s representatives. He is a disgrace.
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by Mitchell Green on Oct 7, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t want to generalize here, but Don Cherry is old. And for the most part, old men set in their opinions and their ways are averse to any change, even when that change is clearly in favor of the greater good.
Careful there, Travis. :)
But yes, Cherry certainly is a dinosaur who is no doubt nostalgic about these things. Probably prefers goalies without masks, too. Just because these hits were for the most part “permissible” then doesn’t mean they should be. There’s no room for this, not in any era. When Cherry and those of his ilk are declared extinct I shall not mourn.
This is the second instance I’ve seen since I ran a survey that didn’t see any impact of age on hockey views that someone suggested an impact of age on hockey views.
Not to say there isn’t one (my survey was pretty primitive), but it’s interesting that it keeps coming up lately.
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Wouldn’t using an online survey tend to self-select older people that are more mentally flexible, since they’re the ones a) using the Internet and b) going to sites where they find surveys from bloggers? Those aren’t exactly attributes one would associate with the “get off my lawn” older folks.
Bob.
Yeah, and a survey I produce gets taken by the people who I reach and the people who they reach, which is likely not a normal cross-section of humanity. But still…
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GET OFF MY LAWN!!!
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 11, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think we’re ready to get rid of gladiatorial combat just yet. But shifting it away from sports that also feature high speed and hardshell equipment, maybe.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 7, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Game Thread alert. We have a game thread for the LA VS NY game on right now.
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OT, but local sports radio in the DC area is reporting today that Neuvirth, and not Vokoun, is getting the start in the opener tomorrow against the Hurricanes. Something wrong with the Caps’ shiny, new acquisition?
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Apparently Vokoun told this to the media that he’s not starting, and this caused Boudreau to get pissed since roster decisions are kept close to the vest.
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Did Boudreau drop the F bomb?
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Is he able to utter a sentence without using the F word?
The Vokoun decision is pretty strange. He’s been touted by Caps management as the missing piece to the puzzle, is healthy as far as everyone knows, and even had his entire family fly in for the opening game, and now he’s not playing.
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Can somebody tell me why Charas showing of Giroux into the boards wasnt a boarding penalty? I understand that players have to be aware of there surronding and not put them self into dangerous position, but I still didnt thought that showing a player into the boards was legal. Chara could easily ride him hard into the boards instead.
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