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This might not be a great comparison, but the ‘Bryz can’t talk to the media’ to letting him talk only for a certain amount of time (all in the same day) reminds me of Netflix raising the prices, then saying something about Qwikster, then taking that back.

Do people think before doing major PR decisions?

It's a new season, and I'm damned excited! ecnewman on flyersfaithful.com

by f2yers8 on Nov 1, 2011 7:24 AM EDT reply actions  

It’s like a sitcom. 30 minutes later, after much confusion and hilarity, we’ve returned to the status quo.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now this is a story all about how
My life got flipped-turned upside down
And I liked to take a minute just sit right there
And tell you how I became the goalie of a town called Philly

In west Stavropolsky born and raised
On the playground is where I spent most of my days
Chillin out, maxin, relaxing all cool,
And all shooting some pucks outside of the school
When a couple of guys who were up to no good
Started making trouble in my neighborhood
I got in one lil fight and my mom got chilly
And said “You’re moving with your Uncle Homer in Philly”

I begged and pleaded with her day after day,
But she packed my suitcase and sent me on my way
She gave me a kiss and then she gave me my ticket
I put my iPod on and said I might as well kick it

First class yo this is bad
Drinking orange juice out of a champaine glass
Is this what the people of Philly living like?
Hmm this might be all right
But wait I hear Manayunk, Schuylkill and all that
Is this the type of place they should send this cool cat
I don’t think so, I’ll see when I get there
I hope they’re prepared for the goalie of Philly

Well the plane landed and when I came out
There was a dude that looked like a New Yorker standing there with my name
out
I aint trying to get waivered yet I just got here
I sprang with the quickness like lightning disappeared
I whistled for a cab and when it came near
The license plate said FRESH and it had dice in the mirror
If anything I can say this cab was silly
But I thought naw forget it yo homes to Philly

I pulled up to the WFC about 7 or 8
And I yelled to the cabby “Yo homes smell ya later”
I looked at my kingdom I was finally there
To sit on my throne as the Goalie of Philly

Bob.

by The Dark on Nov 1, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

that’s dedication.

It's a new season, and I'm damned excited! ecnewman on flyersfaithful.com

by f2yers8 on Nov 1, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love it

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Nov 2, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

But by early Monday evening, the Flyers, after a conference call with the PHWA’s president Kevin Allen in which the club was informed it was in violation of the league’s media policy as per the CBA, relinquished the matter.

Wait, the Flyers were unclear about something in the CBA? Get out of town.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Nov 1, 2011 7:26 AM EDT reply actions  

The CBA cares about whether a player can talk to reporters 30 hours before a game??

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 1, 2011 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

The CBA cares about media accessibility to the players it governs, so yes.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Nov 1, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep but didn’t think a relatively smallish change like that (he’s still open to the media after games) for one specific player would be in contravention of the CBA, guess it cares a lot more than I thought it did.

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 1, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

There was a quote about how often people who don’t travel with the team would get to talk to him, and it was something like 20 times over a season. That’s not a small change.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

The CBA cares about media accessibility to the players it governs, so yes.

I had no idea about this, I’m surprised.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I never even thought about it, but it makes sense.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Nov 1, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

But they players don’t have to talk to the media, right? So Bryz could decide himself that he doesn’t want to be interviewed. It’s just that the team can’t make that decision for him.

It still seems weird to me. The CBA is an agreement between the league and the players, I don’t get why they care if the media is being allowed access or not.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

The plot thickens.

by j reed on Nov 1, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure the answer is very obvious (like the “Display Media” button on the link to DSODs costume), and I’m just looking right past it.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s a interesting question.

by j reed on Nov 1, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who really runs the NHLPA……

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 1, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Pirates_%28NHL%29

That complicates things

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 1, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking more of these pirates.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chris Pronger with an eye patch?

"Simba needs to sharpen his claws" - Ilya Bryzgalov, on Scott Hartnell

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by Chemistry66 on Nov 1, 2011 12:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Boo-yah!

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who own da Flyers??

Patron saint of quality footwear.

by fat_daddyo on Nov 1, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ed?

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ownnnsa owns

"Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?"

by PraiseMartyMoose on Nov 1, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

...

That’s Bill Flett third from the left. Bettman on the far right.

by flyersfaninchicago on Nov 1, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

NHLPA is a union. Why would a union agree to a contract that effectively silences its constituents?

unless of course, their silence is being paid for

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 1, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

What if the constituents want the quiet time? Did the Flyers decide this without asking Bryz?

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 1, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Purely speculation, but I believe the Flyers overstepped their bounds, being a bit protective of Bryz. bryz then told the Flyers to knock it off, then the media interviews come back. Honestly, I think that the Flyers FO believes that Bryz gets distracted by the media, or perhaps will say something that rubs the rest of the team the wrong way

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 1, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I think that the Flyers FO believes that Bryz gets distracted by the media, or perhaps will say something that rubs the rest of the team the wrong way

So do I. And if that is the case, then they had to believe that going in to his negotiations as well, and if they did really believe that the media could distract him so easily and brought him here anyway then again, it’s a stupid move on their part.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Nov 1, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not necessarily. I don’t think you can work out a man’s personality just through contract negotiations. Particularly a goaltender…….

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 1, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

no, but if you believe someone to be a risk off the ice, you have to include that in your evaluation of said player

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 1, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

And it’s not like they couldn’t ask the Coyotes or, watch his post game interviews with the media out there to get a sense of how he handles them.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Nov 1, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

They could watch the interviews but could they tell he was distracted by them off ice (not saying that he is, just hypothesizing)?

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 1, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

From the interview themselves? No. But they could see the questions, how he responds, and then try and make a connection between that and his on ice performance, which, I think is absolutely ridiculous to begin with. My point is, all the things that they must have done to draw the conclusion that Bryz need not talk to the media could have been done before he got here.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Nov 1, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

The player psychologist on staff has to have had Dr. Nick credentials

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 1, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hi Everybody!

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Nov 1, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

New meme

endless possibilities

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 1, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha

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by JLS89 on Nov 1, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of things not to do after scoring a goal, my Junior year of high school I scored a goal vs Atlantic City High School and then drank from the goalies water bottle. Needless to say, I ended up getting a broken leg on a late hit as I was skating to the bench. Not totally unjustified I might add.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Nov 1, 2011 7:31 AM EDT reply actions  

my friend broke his femur (an actual big break, not hairline or anything) from a hit, somewhat relevant but not really. Its too early to make connections that make sense

Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
Giving up isn't an option

by Cillo stache on Nov 1, 2011 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I broke the Tibia. Actually, broke isn’t the right word, more like destroyed. The way my leg hit the boards, it was almost like the pressure from my heel and the pressure from my knee cap meet in the middle of my Tibia and just exploded. The X-ray was something to see. Almost like what a Star looks like when it explodes in a Sci-Fi movie.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Nov 1, 2011 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

ouchh, you had to get surgery, I imagine

Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
Giving up isn't an option

by Cillo stache on Nov 1, 2011 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed. I still have some leg pain from time to time as a result.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Nov 1, 2011 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Breaks are the worst, after they heal you still feel them

Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
Giving up isn't an option

by Cillo stache on Nov 1, 2011 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s true. I’ve torn muscles before, though nothing significant like ACL’s or anything like that but I rarely if ever have any pain in those areas that I tore.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Nov 1, 2011 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

scars go numb but bones hurt, hahah rotator cuffs are something said to remain painful

Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
Giving up isn't an option

by Cillo stache on Nov 1, 2011 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can tell when it’s going to rain if my right foot starts to hurt hahaha.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dynamite drop in, Donnie

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 1, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was either that or asking for donations for my Movember page.

being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11

by DLJr on Nov 1, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh wow, I originally meant that as a Major league 2 reference. Minutes later, I realized you were a Don

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 1, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

And here I was giving you to much credit for the quote and it happening to be Don that said it.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Nov 1, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had a partial tear of knee ligaments 13 years and 1 day ago. I still have pain from time to time.

Bob.

by The Dark on Nov 1, 2011 12:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, ligaments and tendons are a bitch like that. They take forever to heal and sometimes never get quite right again.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Check out prolotherapy or PRP injections.

by j reed on Nov 1, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting. Over the past few years, I’ve had recurring “overuse injuries” in my knees, like tendinitis or ITBS. It’s always minor (except for one instance of tendinitis that was particularly bad) and improves within a day or two, but still annoying. I figure I just sit around too much at work, so when I exercise it’s easy to overdo it. I’m trying to do stretches and strengthening exercises more regularly to help keep my knees in better overall shape. But this is an interesting treatment. I doubt my little aches and pains are enough to warrant that sort of thing though.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now I have the mental image Calrissian piloting the Millennium Falcon, into your Tibia’s core to destroy its reactor.

by EC.Comedy on Nov 2, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

ouch

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, tommorrow, Bryz will answer the media’s questions using metaphors from the work of Vladimir Mayakovsky, the great poet of Russian Futurism.

by j reed on Nov 1, 2011 8:39 AM EDT reply actions  

:popcorn:

Diehard Flyers fan living in the heart of Penguins country

by Legion of Bullies on Nov 1, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bryz should stop ‘talking’ to the media – in all technical forms of the word – and resort to interpretive dance.

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 1, 2011 8:50 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

New Down Goes Brown

http://www.downgoesbrown.com/2011/11/inside-gary-bettmans-annual-halloween.html

What else would Pronger be with an eyepatch? All I have to say is… Boo-Yah!

My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT

by 02h32m01s on Nov 1, 2011 8:52 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Laughed out loud multiple times, amazing.

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 1, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bettman: Probably a smart move. Hey, speaking of goaltenders leaving, where did DiPietro go?

Shanahan: He said he was going to go out front to make friends with the pirate.

Bettman: The pirate? Nobody here was dressing up as a pirate.

Shanahan: Really? He said he saw some scary looking guy out there wearing an eye patch.

Bettman (confused): DiPietro’s going to make friends with the guy wearing an… Oh dear lord! Shanny, didn’t anyone tell him about Chris Pronger’s eye injury?

Shanahan: Uh oh.

DiPietro (from outside): Ahoy, me matey!

Bettman: Incoming.

Bettman and Shanahan calmly step aside as DiPietro sails through the plate glass window and lands in the middle of the room.

Voice from outside: Boo-yah!

Shanahan (catatonically): As we can see from the video, there is clear intent to throw the goaltender through the window…

Bettman (snapping his fingers): Brendan…

Shanahan: Sorry. Force of habit.

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 1, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, but I'm quoting the whole thing coz it's all hilarious

Bettman (surveying the mess): Well, now we need to clean up all these shards of broken glass.

DiPietro: Owie …

Bettman: And also, the pieces of the window.

Shanahan: Who should clean it up?

Bettman: I don’t care, but somebody needs to do it. This is a nice party, not some sort of minor league operation.

Everyone awkwardly stares at Avery and Redden.

Bettman: Um… you know, not that that’s a bad thing.

Redden: Are we just gonna take this?

Avery: Don’t look at me, I’m getting called up this week.

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 1, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

And the perfect end too with the Blue Jackets joke

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 1, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

SWEET! I always love it when Bettman throws a party!

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I scared my friend because I couldn’t stop laughing.

"Simba needs to sharpen his claws" - Ilya Bryzgalov, on Scott Hartnell

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by Chemistry66 on Nov 1, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

For Ben

That Syvret costume was epic.

Just when you thought he couldn’t be any more of a dynamo.

My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT

by 02h32m01s on Nov 1, 2011 8:52 AM EDT reply actions  

It won’t let me see the picture. :-(

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I got it. I somehow missed the giant “Display Media” button. That was key.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just to reiterate that Hockey Guys article link posted above should be filed under must read that is just flat out dead on in terms of analysis of this teams play on the ice so far this season.

by chrislanci on Nov 1, 2011 8:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Why is Buffalo #2 in those rankings? is it cuz they have the awesome Ville Leino?

by Jazzy85 on Nov 1, 2011 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

You want the real answer?

They’re tied for the league-lead in regulation wins despite playing fewer games than 6 of the 7 other teams tied with them, giving them the 9th most adjusted points per game in the league. Multiply that by the 3rd best 5-on-5 ratio in the entire league and you get the #3 team in the NHL.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, because they have Ville Leino.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t want actual stats Geoff. A heated 1 sided debate why Leino sucks was what i was going for, but thanks.

by Jazzy85 on Nov 1, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha, I wasn’t sure if you were honestly asking or not. Don’t let me stop you from laughing at Leino.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The point of that Raffi Torres article isn’t just that it wasn’t racist, it was still very racially insensitive and a stupid ass move.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Nov 1, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just clarifying because it kinda sounded like it was a defense of Torres.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Nov 1, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

but yet it’s ok for Dave Chapelle to put skin lightener on to portray a white person on his show?

Let’s fire up the steam engine, it’s going to be a fun arguing day

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 1, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

White people can’t do anything involving race. Especially white males. I imagine things have reached the pinnacle PC nightmare that if a guy went to a party dressed as a slutty cheerleader that would be considered sexist.

by chrislanci on Nov 1, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Raffi Torres isn’t a white person?

Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."

by Snevik on Nov 1, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had no idea he was Mexican and Peruvian. It makes zero difference to me.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew he came from some Mexican descent, but not the specifics. I don’t care either way, but this is clearly not an occasion for bitching about the PC-binds on white people.

Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."

by Snevik on Nov 1, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

No – but a pretty good occasion for bitching about the PC binds on ALL people. Fuck ‘em if they can’t take a joke … especially if there was no joke.

Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!

by MaximumTalbot on Nov 1, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

General PC arguments aside—because I tire of them, even if I do agree with you—his comment were pretty specifically framed in “White men can’t get away with anything anymore.”

Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."

by Snevik on Nov 1, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh.
PC-binds on white people

Tell old Pharaoh,
let my people have that too.

by j reed on Nov 1, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh no, not this again. You guys might actually make me go do work for once.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

This would be my first time ever arguing this. I usually keep my nose out of these things, but this one caught my interest

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 1, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not to sound rude, but did you read the article? It explains it somewhat. Blackface is still considered insensitive because of its history, the origins of it being used. Even if it’s not used in a racial context now, it was used extensively for that in the past, so it’s still touchy. Society has a long memory on some things. It’s unfortunate. Some people in the past were huge assholes, and their actions then were so awful that it means some things are still taboo now, even if, to some, they seem harmless out of context. It is what it is.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I did read the article. Raffi Torres was being Jay Z, a prominent black musician who makes amazing music that many people of all races do love. it wasn’t demeaning, it was in fact spot on, as in an exact look-a-like. it also wasn’t whitey doing an impression, it was a mixed Raffi Torres who is both peruvian and mexican.

Aunt Jemima is more offensive than Raffi Torres is. Go watch Confederate States of America, very enlightening

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 1, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hear you. And I agree, I thought it was an incredible likeness. (My first thought when I saw the pictures was, “Damn, he looks JUST LIKE Jay Z!”) Like you, I personally didn’t think it was demeaning. Honestly, if it hadn’t been brought up by the article, it probably would have never crossed my mind that it could be considered insensitive. But my personal opinions and set of rules for what is (in)appropriate or (in)offensive are going to be different from yours, or the author’s, or Raffi Torres, or anyone else. From reading the article, I guess I can understand why some people would be bothered by it. I just wouldn’t have thought of it because of my personal background and experiences. You and I may not have seen a problem, but others may have a very good reason to feel it was insensitive, and sometimes you just have to be aware of that. That’s all I was trying to say before. Not that you should be offended by it, but just explaining that some people are and why. Yeah, it does create a myriad of subtle, often unspoken rules and restrictions for what we can say and do, and it is utterly impossible to please everyone, but it is what it is. That’s just the world we live in.

(And yeah, I’ve always wondered why nobody seems to care about Aunt Jemima.)

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is no historical racism involved in lightening. Blackface has a long an horrible tradition which makes it a terrible idea.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 1, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

So because there’s no precedence for something, means it’s ok to do?

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 1, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s about context CCB. Did you read the article? It’s a good and necessary article.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 1, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I read the context. It’s not the same as Al Johlson if that’s what you’re going for.

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 1, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

But it calls to it. It’s not racist, it’s insensitive and unnecessary.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 1, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

in fact, I was more outraged over a law firm dressing up for Halloween as people kicked out of their foreclosed homes

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 1, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s just offensive.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 1, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s okay to go as blackface, it’s just a pretty callous statement.

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by Snevik on Nov 1, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see a difference as going in “blackface” and going as Jay-Z, especially as well done as the costume was. But I’ve also not dressed up as the person I’ve wanted to the past 3 halloweens because they have all involved dressing up as a black celebrity, so maybe I’m just bitter because I know more people are likely to go, “that’s rude” than “wow, nice costume” and therefore haven’t worn the costume I wanted to.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s probably a contextual difference, but I’m not coming down hard-line on blackface in general. “Okay” incorporates everything for me, but you always have to control your statement and context to avoid looking insensitive.

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by Snevik on Nov 1, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess when I think blackface, I think of something very specific, the historical version, a stereotyped caricature. When I see Torres’s costume, I don’t see blackface. I guess that’s my problem, this isn’t blackface, and to call it such is more of a problem than the costume itself IMO. I agree that blackface is thoughtless as the article states, however the costume is not blackface and I hate that the line is connected here because in no way is Torres’s costume playing at any of the stereotypes blackface did.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same here, it honestly didn’t occur to me that anyone would have considered that blackface.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that is blackface what Torres did was make his face black. Completely different.

by chrislanci on Nov 1, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

To me, it depends on what you’re doing with it, but that’s just me. I’m sure plenty of people feel differently, in both directions. And that’s fine, everyone has their reasons.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw a video on some Australian variety show where some group did a Jackson 5 gig, but used black (as in as black as charcoal at midnight in a cave) paint on their faces. Harry Connick Jr was one of the judges and he walked off the show. To me that is a million times more offensive than trying to recreate something realistically. Even the Robert Downey Jr thing was kinda making a mockery of the insensitivity behind blackface. I wouldn’t do either personally, but it’s not my call on whether that offends people or not. Best to be aware that it’s an issue and not push buttons.

by hebrew hammer on Nov 1, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the “crisis of confidence” thing has been overblown from the beginning. On the other hand, in the article about how Bryzgalov’s problems are primarily physical, the writer incorrectly assumes cause and effect by not considering the possibility that the physical problems are a result of confidence or some other mental deficiency. It doesn’t matter that his list of problems is thorough and detailed. Even muscle memory tasks can be compromised if the mind isn’t strong.

I’m inclined to agree with him, but it’s not a necessary truth.

by flyersfaninchicago on Nov 1, 2011 11:15 AM EDT reply actions  

All those problems can stem from mental focus. Positioning is focus, sight is focus (no pun intended) even rebound control can be related to just flat out being sharp. I don’t think all of sudden especially after the 1st 3 games his body deteriorated to the point where he can’t physically play the game.

In general though the whole team is having trouble focusing in the defensive end. Meszaros, Coburn and Carle also didn’t all of a sudden not be able to physically play. They are still good defenders they just seem to be making mistakes.

by chrislanci on Nov 1, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I took his meaning of “physical” not to be about fatigue or injury or deterioration but to be about things that actually happen with the body as opposed to the mind. Obviously all physical acts are directed by the brain but there’s a difference between a mild lack of focus or discipline that can get you away from successful patterns (which is quite common) and a crisis of confidence in which you think you need a GPS to find the crease. My problem with the article is that its premise was that Bryzgalov’s problems were not “mental” because there were observable flaws in his physical game.

by flyersfaninchicago on Nov 1, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your words make sense, I approve.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

a crisis in confidence sounds like a prelude to friggin’ breakdown.

by j reed on Nov 1, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol I can’t tell you how many people I’ve run into that have this problem of thinking the logo is cool, but not liking Black Flag, if they even knew who they were!

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by btowl1818 on Nov 1, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMO the way read seem more mental but I get what you are understanding. I find this one easier to get my point across using Baseball. Swinging at bad pitches is mental and can be corrected by changing your approach and focus at the plate. Not being able to drive the ball is physical. We seen Brzy make some nice physically impressive saves even during this bad stretch he is just shit the bed on the easier ones that he should have.

I don’t think it is confidence per say but I do think it is focus.

by chrislanci on Nov 1, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder how much of his statement that night was also meant to fire up the team in front of him? While he did play poorly in his own right, they were awful defensively in front of him as well.

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by Mike B on D on Nov 1, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember all those “Scott Hartnell sucks!” people? Yeah, he’s having a good run with Giroux and Jagr: [CSNPhilly] [Philly Sports Daily] [Daily News]

Hartnell still sucks. Anyone who merits their own following for how many times they fall down over a season simply sucks. He can’t pass worth a damn – having him with G and Jagr covers his blind, too-hard passes often enough that he’s not a complete liability, but it doesn’t make him ‘good’. And yes – any forward who makes it to the NHL has some skill at shooting the damn puck – even Jody Shelley makes pretty goals once in a blue moon. Standing in front of a net and letting pucks hit you is only worth $4.2 million a season if you’re supposed to STOP them not score (and even then that salary is questionable at best).

The instant-results media strikes again. “Ooh, in yesterday’s fan poll everyone hated Hartnell, so we’ll write about how bad he is.” … “Wait, in today’s everyone likes his 4-point night, so tomorrow we’ll love him too.”

Utter crap.

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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 1, 2011 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. The fact that the media (if you’ll excuse the generalization) flip-flops damn near daily drives me bezerk. In the quest for ‘firstest with the mostest’ they seem to have forgotten any concept of ‘bestest’ or even ‘not too shabby’.

I mean, hell Geoff – even you must be screaming about the inevitable regression to the mean by now for Hartnell, no? Or the fact that you could put Todd Fedoruk on that line and be just as effective, because the other two would be carrying his ass just as much as Floppa.

(That’s my new nickname for Hartnell – “Floppa”.)

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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 1, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t like the flip-flopping, fair-weather, instant-results, reactionary, whatever you want to call it behavior of the media either. I just consistently like Hartnell. When he’s playing well, I’m happy. When he’s not, I patiently wait for it to come back, because I think he can do it. Same thing with JVR. I didn’t buy into all the trade talk early last season, and I’m not bothered by his slow start this year. It’ll pick up soon enough. But that’s just me. :-)

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I can certainly respect that. Just as you can (likely) respect the fact that I think the #1 player on the trade-’em-if-you-can list is Floppa.

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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 1, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Certainly. I would be okay with trading him if we had to and it filled a need. I’d be a little sad, but I’m not that attached. But I still like him.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aww, that makes it sound like I don’t care. I would care. I cared about other trades in the past of players I liked. But I got over them. You have to. These things happen.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d be happy to see him go to Phoenix for Korpikoski.

(Hell, make it a wet dream and package Briere and Walker in as well to sweeten the pot for the Yotes, and ask for Turris and Boedkker in return. For fun, throw in Shelley.)

But I do think he is relatively replaceable, more so than players like LeClair and Knuble.

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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 1, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I must say, I love your coining of “Floppa.” Props, man.

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by ww2b on Nov 1, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks – we’ll see if I can get it to catch. I honestly think even Scott would find it humorous.

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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 1, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Standing in front of a net and letting pucks hit you

I dunno, LeClair scored quite a lot of goals that way. I’m not saying Hartnell is as good as LeClair, but the method has it’s potential.

Anyway, a big body in front of the net to interfere (not in a penalty sense) with the goalie and defense and look for rebounds is a good thing in my book. I think it’s the same type of chemistry that worked with the HBL line. You’ve got a passer/playmaker, a shooter, and someone to “bang” (as the commentators like to say) in front. The same concept works in college basketball, in my mind anyway, I look for a good combination of a point guard, a shooting guard and a big center.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree 100% JVR Giroux and Jagr didn’t work because all 3 of those guys are puck possession puck carriers. You need someone on line that can retrieve the puck and play without the puck. More Hartnell doesn’t have the puck on his stick the better. JVR-Briere-Simmonds is a better mix of skills as well.

by chrislanci on Nov 1, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree wholeheartedly that a big body in front of a goalie is a great thing to have, and creates balance on that line. And that that person should also hit people and muck in the corners (which Hartnell does try desperately to do – he hits people OK, but can’t get the puck away from anyone). HOWEVER, LeClair was able to score dirty goals because of his body positioning, and his ability to shield the puck in front – not because he deflected goals in off his moppish hair. It’d also be nice if that big body could at least skate a bit and pass a little. You know, kinda like Knuble. Not lighting anyone up with his moves, but consistent and responsible. (Oh, and cheaper by over half – but I decided not including salary would make this a more reasonable argument.)

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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 1, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

9 points in 4 games, he can suck all he wants with those #s

by OrangeNblacK on Nov 1, 2011 11:36 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

TWSS

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Max Talbot has 2 goals in his last two games, but I’m not advocating he gets promoted to the 1st/2nd lines.

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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 1, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

You might not like his style of play, but he’s clearly produced points at a 2nd-line level.

Since the lockout, he has averaged 50 points per 82 games, including 49 points last year — ranking 90th in the league, or right on the border of 1st/2nd line player. His worst year was 43 points, which ranks about 120th, a solid 2nd line total.

Some of that is because of opportunity — he’s getting a healthy TOI, including PP time — but he was 59th in ES P/60 last year among forwards with 60+ games. Yeah, there’s more to hockey than points, and he probably isn’t playing up to his cap hit, but he also doesn’t deserve the level of criticism he’s getting.

by Eric T. on Nov 1, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just think Hartnell has benefitted from perception more than performance has justified. If you put my dog on the ice with G and Jagr, he’s gonna score. Notice that when Hartnell was on the third line, he did diddlysquat in terms of points.

I have neither time nor interest in compiling Hartnell’s career QualComp, but I have a feeling he has played with good linemates all along. I just wonder if his performance is complimentary to theirs, or is it actually of his own doing.

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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 1, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

But, but, but…It’s All About The Chemistry!™

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

IT’S ALL ABOUT ME!

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by Chemistry66 on Nov 1, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Typical Gen Y response… :-p

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since the lockout, he has averaged 50 points per 82 games, including 49 points last year — ranking 90th in the league, or right on the border of 1st/2nd line player. His worst year was 43 points, which ranks about 120th, a solid 2nd line total.

None of that is career QualComp, and none of that is with Jagr and Giroux. It’s not perception at all, in fact, it’s just his performance.

You just hate Hartnell, it’s okay, but just admit your hate isn’t based on his actual performance, it’s based on your perception of him as a player.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do admit his numbers don’t bear out my hypothesis. I am merely saying that he played with G and Jagr, and before that Briere and Leino, and before that Briere and Carter … these aren’t slouch players. Just as when Carcillo was elevated to the line with Richards, his point totals surged. I feel like Hartnell has made a career of that sort of coattail-scoring.

That isn’t a bad thing per se – but add in the blind passing, the falling down, and the dumb penalties (which he seems to have improved on this season so far) and you really don’t have much there to like.

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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 1, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just as when Carcillo was elevated to the line with Richards, his point totals surged. I feel like Hartnell has made a career of that sort of coattail-scoring.

And my point is that there’s a big difference between Carcillo having 22 points while playing with Richards (62 points) and Hartnell having 49 points while playing with Briere (68) and Leino (53).

by Eric T. on Nov 1, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like Don said, I’m not talking about G and Jagr; I’m talking about every year since the lockout, where he’s been with a variety of teammates.

Last year, Briere had 2.77 P/60, Leino had 2.21, and Hartnell had 2.16.
The year before, his most common linemates were Briere and Carter, who each had 1.98 P/60, and Hartnell had 1.79.
The year before that, his linemates were Carter (2.64) and Lupul (2.03), while he had 2.47 P/60.

Nothing in there suggests to me that he’s been Rob Brown scoring at a PPG because a 2PPG superstar was carrying him; Hartnell may not have been the dominant force on those lines, but he wasn’t out of his league either.

by Eric T. on Nov 1, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rob Brown!!!

Actually, that’s a decent analogy. Brown ripped it up in the minors, and then got thrown on a line with Lemeiux – who seriously could dish assists to my dog and make him look good. Once Lemieux wasn’t feeding him on the other hand, his production crashed down below 20 goals per season.

Hartnell hasn’t had the good fortune to play with a Lemeiux (although G is making a run), and I bet if he did he could score like Brown did. Also like Brown, when Hartnell hasn’t been paired with superior linemates, his production plummets. I mean, Carter – Briere – Leino – Giroux – Jagr – Lupul … the weakest links in there are Lupul and Leino, who aren’t scrubs either. I’d say that Lupul and Leino are more like Hartnell’s level of skill; inconsistent but good players each in their own way. Was Renberg really 20+ goal producer like has was with Lindros, or was he more of a 15 goal producer as he was with everyone else in his career?

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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 1, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d say that Lupul and Leino are more like Hartnell’s level of skill; inconsistent but good players each in their own way.

Yeah, I’m not saying Hartnell is an elite player by any means. But Hartnell, Lupul, Leino, these are all top-6 caliber guys, and saying he’s on their level is different from saying he sucks.

by Eric T. on Nov 1, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair point.

I say he sucks because he can be a liability, with his errant passes and stupid penalties, not to mention defensive breakdowns when he’s ass over teacups. He is quite defensibly a second-line forward, with proven scoring potential. But top-line forward? He’s just filling a role there – he isn’t up to their level (like a Leclair would be, for instance).

In my defense, I also said Lupul sucked. (Leino, with all his deficiencies, never came in for much of my wrath, I admit.)

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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 1, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you put my dog on the ice with G and Jagr, he’s gonna score.

And I have to believe he makes some contribution to the line. Really. It can’t just be anyone. Or a dog. Or a wetnap. Sure, there are others who could be successful there as well, maybe even some who could be more successful. But he’s not worthless.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is your dog named JVR? Because he wasn’t very successful with G and Jagr.

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by 02h32m01s on Nov 1, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

You beat me to it and your comment was funnier as well. A tip of the hat to you.

by chrislanci on Nov 1, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

JVR didn’t score while playing with Giroux and Hartnell I am don’t think your dog has as much skill or potential as JVR.

by chrislanci on Nov 1, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was just a slump – my dog has 20+ goal potential even with a 5% shooting average on that line :) Skill – sure, JVR has him beat. BUt I’d figure a player of JVR’s quality to pot over 30 goals playing with those two.

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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 1, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

My musings on the whole “Silencing Bryzgalov” thing:

1) The Flyers felt like Bryz said things to the media that he should have only said to the coaching staff, possibly creating a) some anxiety in the fanbase which they might feel could affect ticket sales and, b) shaky confidence toward him from his teammates.

2) He came perilously close to making Snider look even more like an idiot for demanding the “legitimate #1 goalie.”

So the Flyers created this whole flap just to show Bryz what happens when the media gets a sign of weakness and what they (the Flyers organization) will do to try to defuse the situation. Now they can go to him and say “This is what happens when we give more than vanilla answers to the media.” The FO probably had a pretty good idea of the shitstorm that would occur if they tried to limit access to Bryz, but they did it anyway to prove the “vanilla answer” point.

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by A Flyers Phamily on Nov 1, 2011 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Yikes. @RandyJMiller was wrong about something so naturally when BSH corrected him he acted like a child and harped on the never at practice thing. Its pretty ridiculous.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 1, 2011 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

And he’s continuing to put wrong information out. In your face BSH!

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by A Flyers Phamily on Nov 1, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Beat me to it

Looks like another long day in Twitter land.

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by PraiseMartyMoose on Nov 1, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

So glad i set up tweetdeck yesterday so I can follow the action.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 1, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Man I am stuck in work till 3 so no twitter, damm… I just wish someone would break out the video of AI talking about [ractice and send it to him.

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by lcd24 on Nov 1, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just like T.O. said, “Getcha popcorn ready.”

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by PraiseMartyMoose on Nov 1, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh, nothing he’s doing with BSH is as good as his problem with the OffThePost guy.

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by Snevik on Nov 1, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is There Any Truth......

to the rumor that except for after games Bryz will only speak to reporters in Russian using the somewhat obscure Kamchatkan dialect?

by Pocono Flyers Fan on Nov 1, 2011 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

FWIW, the only reason i recognize that region is because of Risk

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 1, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would have known that one for other reasons, but Yakutsk and Irkutsk on the other hand, that’s all Risk.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

My rallying cry while playing Risk……….He who rules Kamchatka rules the world!

by Pocono Flyers Fan on Nov 1, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to assume that you are too young to have memories of KAL Flight 007.

by mtitanic on Nov 1, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I definitely am, didn’t know about that.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.kamchatkapeninsula.com/shotdown.html

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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 1, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty sure that’s a plot to a Tom Clancy novel

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 1, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think there’s good cheap vodka from Kamchatka.

by flyersfaninchicago on Nov 1, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

good in the sense that it is cheap

by flyersfaninchicago on Nov 1, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I loved Stratego. I sucked at Risk.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

you and your bullshit assassinations old man

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 1, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright get your Hessian on history geek, cuz other than Archduke Ferdinand’s assassination, I have no idea what yer talkin’ ’bout.

by j reed on Nov 1, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I preferred Stratego … until I was 10, and graduated to “Panzer Leader” from Avalon Hill.

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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 1, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was too stupid for that.

by j reed on Nov 1, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

was?

(couldn’t resist)

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

blog + snark opportunity = resistance is futile

by j reed on Nov 1, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t even need the blog part of that equation. But I’m glad you understand.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

…if <1 ohm.

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by Chemistry66 on Nov 1, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

hehehehehe

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

And here I thought my brother made that shirt up himself ….

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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 1, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fucking zero-ohm resistors, how do they work?

Bob.

by The Dark on Nov 1, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alas, I’m not…….I knew of it when Stalin used it as a resort for dissidents

by Pocono Flyers Fan on Nov 1, 2011 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I know this is the 5th time I’ve asked but someone help me resize an image? Where do i put the size=200?

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Nov 1, 2011 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

<img src="http://test.com/foo.jpg" width="200">

by Eric T. on Nov 1, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Erm, no quotes around the 200, I think? Preview to make sure.

by Eric T. on Nov 1, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can also do it in percentage, if you don’t know the size in pixels but think “eh, I want it half the size of what it is.” width=50%

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

Quotes OR no quotes work.

Also, you can just do !http://gifsoup.com/view6/3107985/ood-hilarity-o.gif! but I haven’t figured out how to do that with resizing yet…

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by Chemistry66 on Nov 1, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

god bless you. i love this video so, so much

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by f2yers8 on Nov 1, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

There should be a forward slash and the end of the tag: />

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

or

<img height=200 src="http://test.com/foo.jpg" >

by j reed on Nov 1, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks everyone.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Nov 1, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you guys think?

Does this new tee go too far? Does it not go too far enough?

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 1, 2011 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t get it.

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by Chemistry66 on Nov 1, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thinking avery and something about him being a baby.

by j reed on Nov 1, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Summer’s eve is a brand of douche. I’m guessing that’s a douche bottle wearing glasses.

by Eric T. on Nov 1, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh wow.

Hahahahaha.

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by Chemistry66 on Nov 1, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man and here I thought you were being sarcastic when you said you didn’t get it.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you, Eric. I designed it but I didn’t want to explain it. Hahaha

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 1, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it obvious. I wouldn’t wear it, but I’d laugh when i saw other people wearing it (that is meant as a compliment).

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not enough pearl snaps for you?

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Burn

Also Don

Talbot 2 Nodl 0

by chrislanci on Nov 1, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats you’re winning a bet I don’t care about nor cared about making.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep but I am still DUH WINNING.

by chrislanci on Nov 1, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m glad I can provide to you the one win you’ll ever have on BSH.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

BURN!

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the support hintzy64 I though this was the flame Don thread friggin shit gets turned around on me like the MSM turned on Travis.

by chrislanci on Nov 1, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m taking shots at everyone today.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chris is off his meds today, we should probably be nice.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not nice I was right about Carter all last year supported him all through the summer saying he would be fine a wing and we shouldn’t ever trade Carter. Totally 1st on that bandwagon.

by chrislanci on Nov 1, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

If only you ever used sound logic, sometimes you have to show your work, and have that work make sense, to get credit.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carter and Meszaros are the obvious ones. You suffer from both selective perception and selective memory.

by chrislanci on Nov 1, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha you suffer from delusions of grandeur.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also I totally won the Meszaros rating.

by chrislanci on Nov 1, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no doubt in your odd reality you win a lot of things. Unfortunately, in the real world, it doesn’t always work that way.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I won several puck battles against you at the pick up game to bad nobody was keep track of Corsi while we were out there against each other.

by chrislanci on Nov 1, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha well I felt bad after I heard you were worried that I was actually going to try to hurt you at the pick up game. That’s why I tried to be nice and teach you some basic mechanics of a wrist and snap shot as opposed to you just flipping the puck forward.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I play a simple game get the puck deep and crash the net and try not to die of a heart attack. Basically Tim Thomas if he played forward.

by chrislanci on Nov 2, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

You definitely did a lot of standing by the net.

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by DLJr on Nov 2, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, just crosses a line I’d rather not cross in public with a t-shirt that I’m wearing (not that children would get it, but I’d still feel guilty).

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Samsies.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

At the same time, I really do find it hilarious and think it’s one of the funnier shirts I’ve seen on here.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah. I would have never gotten it. Never really ever seen a douche now that I think about it.

by j reed on Nov 1, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1, well done. That should have been obvious.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better yet...

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by Chemistry66 on Nov 1, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

well I was speaking figuratively, not literally.

by j reed on Nov 1, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Douche for j reed

Here you go.

How do I put an entire image in sarcasm font.

by chrislanci on Nov 1, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the exact picture I used for reference.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Nov 1, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

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by JLS89 on Nov 1, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

What, no comments on the Richie 2010 SCF picture? Geoff, why do you do this to me? Sigh.

What3v3r.

by ww2b on Nov 1, 2011 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

goddamn school, I was gonna but then had to actually work

Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
Giving up isn't an option

by Cillo stache on Nov 1, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

On a different note, I was considering an early Christmas present to myself, and I was stuck between the Bad Motherpuckers shirt and the Eastern Conference Champions one. Any thoughts? Comments on (women’s) sizing?

What3v3r.

by ww2b on Nov 1, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never gotten one (yet! I promise soon!) but definitely go for the motherpuckers

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by Cillo stache on Nov 1, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still love OMGAGNE and Boooooosh, even if they’re outdated now.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Samesies – I totally plan on getting all of them, probs just to hang on my wall haha. And even the CHOKE shirt, bad karma be damned.

What3v3r.

by ww2b on Nov 1, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

some of us are in denial.

by j reed on Nov 1, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Media, over-reactions, blah blah blah, Richie.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Starting to come together nicely.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Nov 1, 2011 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Speaking of Leclair, I totally saw a picture of him in passing the other day and wondered briefly why SOD was wearing #10.

/shot

What3v3r.

by ww2b on Nov 1, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hartnell's Halloween Costume

OMFG.
https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=171022292989177&set=a.150807768343963.34441.150734281684645&type=1&theater

How appropos.

What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.

by doubleh on Nov 1, 2011 5:20 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Damn that is great.

Tracking the Flyers scoring chances at Broad Street Hockey

by ToddtheFox on Nov 1, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

That IS funny!

Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!

by MaximumTalbot on Nov 1, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Gus. :(

Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."

by Snevik on Nov 1, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best comment in the thread:

The “Walker” pylon is out of the picture. He’s trailing behind….as usual.

Bob.

by The Dark on Nov 1, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Reminds me of a comment about Ray Emery’s “Flyers goaltending greats” mask last year—someone made the comment “You can’t see Cechmanek on the mask because he’s so far out of position” and I lol’d. Even if it isn’t an entirely accurate joke; ’twas funny.

What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.

by doubleh on Nov 1, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s amazing!!

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by JLS89 on Nov 1, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHAHAHAHAHA

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by hintzy64 on Nov 2, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  


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